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Unless it means it has started, but there was issues with our— oh, it's a duplicate.

Okay.

Yeah, that's fine.

It was just a post so people would click the link and it would be inactive. Okay. I believe we're live.

So we believe we're live.

Yeah, let's check it real quick.

We're live.

We're going live.

We're still alive. Yeah, we look good. Look at us. There's a couple of you looking cats, dude.

Now, can you hear it? Can you turn up your volume?

This is the issue. Talk.

Microphone check.

I don't hear us, actually.

It does say that it's rocking. What is this?

Hold on, let me just do something real quick.

Maya, get out of here.

Maya, I need some space, doggy dog.

Kyler, are we live, dude?

Oh, he's on.

Zero viewers.

Kyler, dude, tell me, can you hear me, dog?

Let's see, see if it's live.

Talk.

Microphone check. I mean, it's reading something, you know.

It's not.

I mean, it's showing that— what is this, Jacob? Mic aux. What is this?

Oh, here we go. What is this?

Oh, we're live.

Okay, good. What is this?

We got it. We got it.

Wait, where's your phone?

No, this is on the computer. Okay, we're good. Okay, it sounds fine.

You sure?

Yes, 1,000%. I adjusted.

On the computer.

I just did on the computer, which is the same on the same thing.

That's right. It's a different— it's a whole different—

there's Twitch. Yeah, it was just on the internet.

It's its own thing.

Yeah, it's its own thing. So it would be like—

it wasn't—

I don't know why it's not doing the audio here.

Well, that's what we need to know that though. We want to check.

No, but it's doing it on a different device.

On a device, but the phones— it's not working on the phones.

It's like probably on my fucking headphones, dude. That is exactly what it is. Disconnect.

Well, your headphones are ruining it for everyone.

I don't know why it's not fucking playing. I think I need my headphones on. I'm not worried about it because it was playing.

Where are your headphones?

Right here?

Sure. Yep, yep, yep. It doesn't matter. We just listened on it. We just did. Look, it's on the— a different computer completely, and I went to Twitch Live TV and I unmuted it and it was playing.

It was. I just, you know, you know how I do. We just don't want to waste, waste a good time.

Yeah, well, it's recording on the thing. It'll record no matter what. Somebody would tell us if it wasn't. Like, we have 2 viewers. Let us know if you can't hear us. Yeah, like, look, see, look, this is, this is stream. This is delayed.

Yeah, turn this on.

This is, this is stream. Okay, so we're—

we have sound.

Sounds like we have sound.

If you can't hear us, please tell us. No, this is another episode of The Farmer Problem with a couple of Jakes here.

Just Jake and Jacob, you know, just hanging out.

Um, uh, you know, we like to start off every single podcast with, uh, let everybody know we both have the same first name and the first, uh, the same middle name as well.

Yep, we do. That is accurate.

A couple of, couple of cats, uh, You know, went to the same preschool back in the day. Your dad bought a preschool and gave my mom a job, I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, that was a thing.

And my aunt also worked there.

Yeah, it was called Valley Christian School.

Shout out Cornerstone Baptist Church. I don't think it exists anymore.

No. RIP. RIP Cornerstone. Um, okay, so what a solid So this is The Pharma Problem. Yeah, this is our 4th, 5th episode.

You know, it's definitely hard to say really when you misrecord the first couple. Definitely our first one doing it this way. We got some other podcasts rocking, just haven't had a chance to release them yet.

So why don't you go over what this podcast is about then?

It's about a lot of things.

Really?

Like what?

Well, geez, sure.

I don't want—

okay, I'll put—

let's—

I can kind of say what it's about.

Whatever it needs to be about, but it goes over perhaps, uh, you know, what's going on within the pharmaceutical industry, as well as perhaps the medical clinic hospital industry.

Sure.

Perhaps, um, you know, insurance, billing insurance, perhaps name-brand drugs, perhaps generic drugs, perhaps Why do you keep saying perhaps? Because it could be all those things, perhaps.

Okay, so yes, I agree. Uh, so The Pharma Problem is about the problem with pharmaceutical industry and the marriage between the government and pharma and a lot of penis jokes. And you know It's mainly penis jokes.

Yeah, there's not a whole lot going on with pharmacy or anything. It's just a lot of—

It's pretty dull right now.

Uh, we like—

we have really good deals on drugs. They're really cheap. Everybody can afford them, you know.

Um, sponsors, don't we have a sponsor?

Oh yeah, Merck is our sponsor.

Merck?

Oh no, no, not Merck. I am— oh yeah, we— Flower Remedy is sponsoring this podcast.

Yeah, they heard about us.

Yep. And we also have a new sponsor.

That's what I'm saying. Who is it?

The Erectile Dysfunction Group. Yeah, so we, um, we just got—

You forget?

Why did you put me on the spot?

We don't have to.

No, we can talk about it now, but talk about erectile dysfunction for like a minute and your experience with it and, and the challenges you've had with Your penis. Hey, hey, hey. While I find it, okay?

Yeah.

So go ahead, you know, the floor is yours.

Yeah, so, you know, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

Uh, why would you be ashamed of it?

You know, it's actually becoming a trend now to have erectile dysfunction.

Any—

if anybody who's on the—

Well, we're selling a cure for it, so it's not that good of a trend. I'm just saying, you know. Do you want to be a trend where your dick doesn't work? I don't think so.

And, uh, what ebbs and flows exactly? Blood. Yeah, a little ebb and flow. Uh, that's a big concern with a lot of people.

Um, okay.

Yeah, I got the name here. Just give me a second. It is—

Yeah, no, but really the pharma problem. So we go over a couple things. Um, Jacob has a A lot of insight into the industry. You know, he comes from generations of family members who have been pharmacists, um, since what, the '50s and '70s?

Yeah, 1975 is when we opened our first pharmacy.

So you opened one, but there might have even been pharmacists before that though. Yeah.

Oh yeah, there's King's Pharmacy. So actually, this is a crazy story. My grandpa is a pharmacist. He graduated in 1969 from Idaho State University. And at the time— and yeah, '69, it's a great year.

Pretty fucking sweet, dude.

Yeah. And what, uh, my, my grandpa did is he graduated and he went to a place called King's Pharmacy in, uh, Twin Falls, Idaho. And King's Pharmacy is a pharmacy that has been operating as a pharmacy for many years.

What, uh, I just— was King's like The King's, like—

No, not the King's. No, this is way back in the day. So I think the last name— the dude wasn't a pharmacist. So back in the day, you didn't even have to be a pharmacist to own a pharmacy.

That's pretty correct. Let's dive into that.

Yeah. So, yeah, well, I mean, so my grandpa came in as the first pharmacist to work at King's Pharmacy, and then he started Dick's Pharmacy in 1975. So 6 years later.

So you could own a pharmacy, but you needed to hire, obviously, pharmacists to manage and run it. But it's different now.

It just was unregulated. So no, yeah, there was nobody. It was just some dude and he's like, I opened a pharmacy. Yeah, that's kind of how it rolled.

Kind of back then before. Okay, that's interesting.

So it's kind of crazy.

You hire the staff, but you— so, but now it sounds like you would have to, uh, be a pharmacist to own it. That doesn't make sense to me. Why couldn't you just be Why can't it be a non-pharmacist to own something?

Because of diversion, mostly.

Okay, so you gotta—

You have to have a degree. You have to be accountable to a board of pharmacy.

As an owner?

As an owner.

Outside of just beyond the business.

Okay.

I mean, that's probably for the better. What's your opinion on that? Or is it—

Yeah, no, I, I mean, I have friends that own pharmacies. There's ways around it. Like Walgreens CEO doesn't have to be a pharmacist, right?

That sounds corrupt. Isn't that part of the whole thing?

Uh, whoa. I mean, I guess that would be like, is Walgreens even a pharmacy now? Is it a convenience store or a pharmacy?

It's right, they can't decide. You know, they're having— to me it seems like CVS, Walgreens, they're going through a bit of an identity crisis.

Yeah.

What are they, a bunch of butt-fucking dickheads?

Oh, whoa.

You know, is this rated R?

I'm joking. I'm joking. That was a joke. We're live.

How does that work on, uh—

I'll bleep it.

Well, if it's going live right now—

Yeah, I forgot about that.

How does that work for—

I forgot that you're not allowed to cuss on it, so we'll just bleep it out.

Just—

okay, for all the viewers out there, just bleep it out yourselves.

Is that okay?

Forget that I called Walgreens The whatever words I call them.

I just didn't know, like, will they take you down if you do that, or what happens?

Will who take me down? Or are you just like, uh, Twitch?

Yeah, how does that work?

Like, no, I'm mature on Twitch, so yeah, I should pretty much just show my wiener on Twitch. That's my show. That's why I have 36,000 viewers.

I was gonna say, that's why you have all the subscribers. Yeah, that makes Makes a lot of sense. It's also the reason why you lost about 70,000 subscribers, right?

I don't want to talk about that, dude. It was cold outside.

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Yeah, they did, but I locked myself out of my account, so they have a bunch of media I could pull up.

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That's not what it is, sir.

Okay.

It was crookeddick dot—

It was bent. He had it bent. But you know what? Let's move past it.

Okay.

Let's move beyond—

Bentdick dot what?

You know, in the end, we hope that we'll have sponsors someday.

You know, I think we're kind of showing the potential to many people out there that could be sponsors. Yeah, when they see this banter, this back and forth, they're like, oh, they're gonna sell so many dick pills.

So much witty banter.

Yeah, witty banter, a lot of dick talk, you know. Yeah, it's, it's perfect for a dick company to invest in us.

Yeah, of one that sells what you could consider a pharmaceutical. Now there's difference between like home health remedies and like pharmaceutical, correct?

Yeah, but I was like, I'm not allowed to say, but I think that digital medical probably is closer to the pharmaceutical grade, right? I can't— that's probably actually— I probably can't say that.

But are you being biased?

I am definitely being biased. I have no idea. I don't even know if they're FDA approved. We should probably probably horse Fire or something.

We should probably test the efficacy.

Yeah, yeah, we could do a Jake versus Jacob challenge. Okay, okay, so we used to play this game. I feel like we have to bring this up because we're gonna bring up videos. So we used to play this game as kids.

We used to— let's take it back even a step farther.

Okay, yeah, there used to be a show called Kenny versus Spenny. Yeah, Kenny versus Spenny. I think it was on Spike TV or So I'm like, it wasn't even on Spike TV, it was on like another one.

You had to be like, you know, it was on your satellite. Yeah, satellite or like a digital cable, the extension expansion pack.

And you had it one year and we got it. Did you have it or was it just mine? No, it was just your house. Like, and we watched every episode of this show.

It's out of Canada, so it was probably some type of Canadian like channel.

Yeah, it was fucking hilarious though.

Benny vs. Benny.

There's like 3 things where, uh, yeah, it's a challenge every single time and it was just 2 guys hanging out and they would sit on on a couch like this, and then they'll be like, let's have a challenge. Yeah, loser has this, has to do this.

And they would call it a humiliation.

Yeah, the humiliation. But the shit that they would do was next level compared to like any other show like this. So okay, this is the first challenge. So the challenge was like the first one to get an erection lost. That was the only rule. And then they were like, start now. And they're like, so they're both like focusing on not getting erections and they're like being monitored and they're wearing this thing that if they get an erection, like, I don't know what happens.

I can't, I can't believe it was—

yeah, yeah, definitely.

But it's like on cable in Canada.

They were, they wore banana hammocks walking around. Yeah. And then, and then none of them, neither of them were getting erections. Neither of them were getting erections. So then they brought in a challenge. And one of the guys, Spenny, always cheats.

Spenny? Or no, Kenny always cheats.

Kenny always cheats. Spenny's like kind of the nerdy one. Yeah. And then so he cheats. His brother's a doctor and he numbs his penis. Yeah, he numbs his penis so he can't get an erection no matter what happens. So he numbs it so he can't get an erection.

And they bring in like—

they bring in like the— so Spenny's sister. He's like, Kenny's in love with Spenny's sister. They bring his sister in or something to try and get him, and he's like rubbing up all against her and not getting an erection because he's got it numbed.

Yeah.

And then, and then they're like, okay, that was your challenge. They did to him first, and then he's like, who have you chosen for yours? And, uh, Kenny got a male dancer. Oh yeah, like a male erotic dancer.

Yeah.

And then The other— they're both dancing on it. Yeah. And of course the guy that doesn't have it numb gets the wrench.

Yeah, it's funny, dude.

And then he loses. Oh my God.

What a fucking show.

And I think he had like walk— the humiliation, we had like walk around in like a dress or something like downtown.

Dude, it's a great show. I'm kind of sad it's, uh—

I think they brought it back. Like it went on and then it went away and then like fans like asked for it back for another season, I think. And then it died away. you know, unfortunately. But like, what an epic show. But so that's, uh, where it started. But then me and Jacob, what we decided to do is to try— obviously we're like, I don't know, how old are we?

Like, I'd be in— yeah, 12 maybe, like junior high, pre-junior.

So like, yeah, 13, 13, 14 maybe. 12, 12, 14. Uh, but we decided to do our own Jake versus Jacob challenges. And I, you know, I can't remember all of them. Uh, the plan would be to, uh, Eventually post those, some of those videos of me and Jacob going head to head, you know, uh, and then see—

YouTube was brand new at the time.

Huh?

I think YouTube was pretty brand new at the time too.

Yeah, it's weird to think about, like, because—

Because it was on a hardcore camera, like, we weren't even able to post at that time.

You couldn't. Yeah, so we had like— it was a smaller— it had like the small, uh, the smaller tapes about that size.

It was like digital tape. Yeah, it wasn't like a bigger—

but it was, uh, it wasn't digital, but they called it digital tape.

It was still a tape.

It was a tape, like miniature VCR, and you could upload those. I think— I don't honestly know how that works, but there's a way to get them on the computer and yeah, via whatever. But yeah, so like, yeah, you— back then YouTube wasn't even a thing. I remember Not even thinking, like that that's something that we could have been doing when we were kids. We probably would be billionaires if we would have started when we were younger.

Posting the videos? Yeah. I posted a one video and it's still on the internet.

Twice hard.

Twice hard. It's great, you know. And if you would have kept doing it, it's got thousands of views.

If you would have kept doing it, I have TikTok videos now that have like thirty-two thousand views.

Okay.

Well, let's not just you know. No need to brag, dude.

Um, most of my dick videos have tons of views, like ones where I'm shaking my wiener around.

Yeah, like a miniature helicopter.

Yeah, miniature in the sense of like a— if you're talking like Tomahawk helicopter, yeah, my dick's not that big, but—

Well, mine's more of like a Black Hawk Down, you know what I mean? Yours is like, uh, one you do tourism on, right?

Like a one-seater tourism— Why is it black?

Just like the movie.

What exactly is black?

An Apache. Perhaps more of an Apache helicopter. They don't have any white helicopters, but you know what I mean.

I don't want to make this about race, Jake. Jesus. Okay.

What is that about, dude? They got the Black Hawk helicopter, Apache helicopter, but What about the Caucasian whatever, you know, helicopter?

I say we kind of move on to a different topic.

It's just something to think about.

I don't want to.

It's just something to think about, you know.

Sure.

Things, you know, we were talking about something this afternoon that we thought we'd dive into.

Oh yeah. Are we going to do the questions?

Let's do a couple of questions.

I love it. All right, team. So welcome. We have a couple of viewers. Feel free to chime in. We're gonna be answering pharma questions, um, but the main thing, we're gonna be doing ethical dilemma questions of pharmacy school. So this is a funny story. First test of pharmacy school, ethical test. I'm used to getting hundreds on tests. I get a 60%. Now does that make me an unethical person, or am I just stupid?

Well, it just depends on who was grading.

We'll see. We'll see, because you, as you will see, these are not so straightforward. So let's see how well other people do. And how can you grade it? Just because, you know, I'm always going for like, like there's like one— let me give you, I'll give you an example of a question. Like there's this lady and she's like, oh, I want to get an abortion. Um, that's a pretty intense question, you know. I might have gotten the question wrong because I was like, yes, you should do it. this, even though she's like, I'm not looking for an abortion. And I'm like, well, still, you should probably get an abortion. So that's one of the questions I'm pretty sure I got wrong.

I guess what I'm trying—

let's just—

these in pharmacy school, when you're going through, you know, your education, you have the— there is a part of that semester where you go over ethical dilemma scenarios. We thought it would be fun to read out some of these dilemmas, these ethical dilemma questions, and kind of just do a miniature debate between the two of us if we disagree.

Yep, yep, yep.

Maybe someone might play devil's advocate.

Maybe not.

Yeah.

And then comment, obviously I'm playing devil's advocate.

Or I might be. You don't know.

Okay. You know.

Well, we're going to get into the first one. That's pretty intense.

Okay, yeah, just start us right off the bat.

Just let's just start. Actually, oh no, let's start with an easy one because I bet we'll agree on this one. We'll agree on this one. Okay, would you support or object to a law stating that insulin syringes cannot be purchased without a prescription? Why or why not? Now I know that we fall in line on this one.

Do we?

But I'm gonna play devil's advocate. I'm gonna be this stubborn, stubborn pharmacist that believes all heroin addicts are evil and that they're fucking gonna just use the clean syringes to do more heroin.

The argument would be this is why people want people to have a prescription for syringes.

So there's more of a barrier, right?

So what—

let's talk about it. There's more of a barrier to entry for a heroin addict. Okay, so I'm gonna talk my side first.

Insulin syringes.

So I'm just gonna guess your side of it, and I'm gonna say what, um, a lot of the pharmacist side of this is. And is, if you have a prescription for syringes, uh, for clean syringes, um, you are making it harder for heroin addicts to use heroin, right? So you're making it a harder barrier to entry. And to obtain heroin. And I don't feel ethical giving a heroin addict syringes to use heroin that they might die on. But you know, those are some arguments.

Yeah, you might not necessarily know though. So I could say if I showed up to the pharmacy as a diabetic, but I don't have my prescription, are they— would they be writing you a prescription every month to get insulin syringes? Or like, is it all the— how many refills do you get? Like, is it every 60 days?

So I get a prescription as a diabetic for insulin. syringes. Diabetics are really kind of like— we— insurance covers it, so we have to have a prescription already. So it's kind of a non-issue for diabetics because they always have a prescription.

Generally, they should.

They should. But you know, you could be in a situation, yes, where you would want it. But if you are truly a diabetic, then you would need a vial of insulin. And what would you say to somebody that doesn't have a vial of insulin that wants syringes?

Well, that's the question.

Yeah. So what would you say to them? Do you think it's ethical to hand a heroin addict that has no other way of injecting it?

Well, my thing is that you wouldn't necessarily know. You would just go up to a pharmacist and say, hey, I need 27-gauge, you know.

Yeah. And then when you see that—

Half-inch needles, syringes.

The question is, if the pharmacist doesn't want to sell it, they don't have to. Is that what it is now? That's the question. Yeah, that's the question at hand. Yes, that is the law now that they can decide themselves.

And I think that honestly, I think that that's how it probably should be in my opinion, because the one thing is like, yeah, it's more accessible, but also they're more inept to catching disease by using, you know, used syringes and used needles.

You know, you're just saying have no rule. So if the pharmacist— so the rule would be, okay, let me walk you down this thought experiment. Okay, you're a heroin addict, you have dirty needles, you go in to get clean clean needles. You're the only pharmacy that has clean needles in a 30-mile radius. You're a homeless person. Okay, very realistic scenario for a heroin addict. It's a homeless person because they only have dirty needles. They go to a pharmacy with a dollar to go get clean, etc. I, I think it's ethically wrong to give you a syringe, you know what I mean? Whatever, right?

You could say that.

Yeah.

Fuck you. They go use a dirty syringe and get That's on that fucking pharmacist, in my opinion, right?

What do you mean it's on the pharmacist?

Well, if they were gonna use a clean needle and now we're using a dirty because a pharmacist is too big of a dickhead to give it to them, to give it to them because they have some ethical thing that doesn't make any logical sense at all as a person. Like, you're giving syringes out like it's gonna make it worse. No. Yeah, if you've ever been addicted to heroin You know that you will do anything to get it inside your body. And you are just putting more people at risk by forcing them to use dirty needles. Because guess what? If you're a heroin addict, you have access to something. You know what I mean?

Yeah, you'll figure it out, you know?

Yeah, you fucking will figure it out. But that's how you— that's my view. So that's, that's just an example of one. That's one that we kind of agree on.

Well, and let's just circle it back. So what is it now? What's the law currently when it comes to getting—

It's different in every single state, so it varies.

So they've left it up to the states to decide and pass laws.

Which is a fine law. That's a fine way to do it.

Yeah, I would say that most people will, will let you buy the syringes regardless because, you know, you might, might have forgotten a prescription or whatever.

There's some like rules where it's prescription only.

Really?

But that's every extreme, dude. All right, let's talk about the hard one.

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That's them that made that? Oh, Jesus.

It wasn't me.

All right, so this one's about Plan B. This one should be a good one. Uh, feel free to comment.

I don't know why I've never heard— I haven't heard any news about About any type of like Plan B abortion pills in the news. I don't know why this is relevant at all, but yeah, let's go ahead.

Yeah, I agree. I think it doesn't seem relevant to what's really— um, my view is that they should just hand it out to kids. Yeah, I know it's not very pop— it's not a very popular view.

Well, what are—

of what age?

Right out the gate? The younger the better, because We don't want young kids getting pregnant. That's my only reasoning. And then I think based on the science, if we give Plan B to all kids, we just make them take it like a vitamin, we'll probably have less kids.

So you think that there's a population problem going on?

Sure.

Well, it's not sure, it's a yes or no question.

Yeah, the problem— let's move on, we don't need to talk about it.

I'm just kidding.

I don't think any of this— I'm being sarcastic. It's dry humor.

This is part of it.

That's just probably— it's part of jokes. Just kidding.

This is part of it.

Just kidding. I'm just kidding about— just kidding.

Just kidding about— just kidding.

All right. So here's another ethical question. Should pharmacists have the right— should they have the right to refuse to sell Plan B pill even though the patient would not have an adverse reaction to it? For this question, assume the pill will not harm the woman and that she is of the age to purchase it.

And the dilemma is there's a moral— there's a moral, uh, obligation going on.

So why this law is relevant in pharmacy: there is some religions where Plan B is thought of as, uh, abortion, right?

So, well, that's what's going on right now.

Yeah, no, no, it's a big thing, right? So Does a pharmacist have the right to refuse healthcare if they're the only practitioner in the area?

Yeah.

Okay. And I, I have very strong feelings about this one because I've seen the damage that something like this can do. And I fall onto the side of the side that my wife does not fall on at any means. So this could be a very interesting debate.

Well, I mean, she's not, not here to defend herself. So.

Yeah. Well, she's Obviously, I'm just joking. I'm just saying I'm not going to talk shit about my wife anymore than I already did.

But what is your position, sir?

Well, I would say that, yeah, you have to, as a fucking pharmacist, provide just medical care regardless of your religious beliefs based on science and science alone. And that is not necessarily everybody's belief currently.

Yeah.

Um, but I just think that there is something very sick and fucked up about the fact that there is an ethical question that I got in pharmacy school. And this is a very like, yeah, 50% say yes, 50% say no. But if there is nobody in, um, the close area that can provide Plan B in a quick enough time. Yeah, you still can deny it. And that's fucked up. Like, imagine being somebody in a situation that needs Plan B, is of age, goes to Walgreens, gets denied by the pharmacist because they don't ethically believe it.

Yeah.

Yet if you're in New York, you could go get it. It's like, it's absolutely absurd that this is even an ethical question in universities, yet it's number 2 on the list. Yeah, universities of college of pharmacy. It's like, it seems really— is there a religious question on a college of pharmacy fucking questionnaire for an interview? Like, are you fucking kidding me? There shouldn't be. It's batshit. Um, just to deny anyone access to healthcare.

Healthcare, just because I have to look at it. It's not just access to an abortion, XYZ. It's like, well, it's healthcare, you know, it's, it's proven by science to work and Um, it's a— it can be available. Now, what is the drug right now that they're trying to ban?

Mestoprost? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the abortion pill. That's not, uh, that's not Plan B. That is like the abortion pill.

Yeah, what's the difference?

Because that's honestly—

I've been reading about it. I didn't know what the difference was.

Plan B prevents pregnancy. It's like, uh, pregnancy prevention. So it provides— prevents the egg and the semen from like binding. Or so. Yeah, it's not exactly right, so don't hate me, pharmacists, but that's probably the simplest way to explain it. Um, the other is you have a baby and you basically— it's something that makes you, uh, your uterus contract and it extracts the baby out. Yep, it's very dangerous and it's actually used to coat the throat for ulcers.

That was it. That's what it was originally made for. And they found out. Imagine being on the wrong side of that.

Oh yeah, that's where you—

and you were taking stuff for ulcers in your throat and you just like started—

I mean, you know.

Yeah, that's pretty wild.

Yeah, it's a rough deal.

That's how it is.

Hey, Jeremy's calling me from prison. Should I answer it?

Jeremy who?

My cousin.

What's he doing in the joint, dude?

Yeah, answer.

Yo, what's up, Jeremy?

Yo, what's up? Yo, you're live.

Hey, I'm, I'm doing a podcast right now, so you're live so people can hear you. I'm just letting you know.

Live from the X Station.

Love it. What you up to, man?

Well, I am just, uh, sitting here with a fire in the backyard.

Oh nice, a fire in the backyard.

Yeah, I brought this, Tyson's SUV, down.

Nice.

Got it going and things are good.

Nice, nice. Did you bring it to the house or, um, are you still at the same house?

Got insurance on it. The house is— I don't know if it's sick. It's— the kitchen is super small. Yeah, you like gotta pass one person at a time. You can't even walk through it. It's been kind of remodeled, but yeah, I just put a refrigerator down in my room and Hell yeah.

How are things going, man?

You know, things are from day to day really well at the end of the night, but I'm finding, you know, each day is kind of just a struggle getting through my own process in my mind and then going and getting Tyson's truck because—

yeah, that's tough. Tyson. Yeah, so I got Jake here. Jake's actually my buddy I told you about. Um, yeah, we're on the pharma problem, so, um Yeah, we're actually talking about— well, we're not talking about drug abuse right now, but, uh, yeah.

Well, I was in, I was in the doctor's today, and it's like some of my muscle memory from always visiting the doctor and getting my scripts.

Oh yeah.

It was rough to deal with because I'm like wanting to— I was looking up all the new ADHD medication last night.

Yep.

On Strattera, and I took one last night before I went to sleep and had some crazy-ass dreams.

Yeah, yeah, you took Strattera before you went to sleep. It's a stimulant, so it can stimulate, so just Letting you know that. Did they tell you to take it at night?

No, I just forgot it. I forgot to take it in the morning, which is unlike me. I usually always remember to take my drugs.

Got it, got it. Yeah, yeah, no, especially that one. It's, um, yeah, take it in the morning because it will fuck with your sleep. That's a fact.

Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't feel it as a stimulant at all.

No, it shouldn't be. It's actually one of the ones that shouldn't feel like a stimulant. If anything, it should feel like Wellbutrin.

Yeah. That's kind of— yeah, engaging out of it.

Yep, yep. Which is good, right? Like, the stimulant is the bad, right?

So yeah.

Yep, yep.

But yeah, I mean, I've been getting triggered really bad because of the truck and just the doctor's visit today.

And how long have you, uh, been out, if you don't mind me asking, Jeremy?

I've been out for a month now.

How long were you in there for?

Uh, I was only in there for 5 months.

Did you go on a rider or what? You just in county, or what happened?

Well, yeah, I did a rider and then I got out for a month and a half. I was in my rider for 10 months, and then, um, that was previous to the 10 years that I finished up. And then, uh, I— so I did an installment on a 10-year sentence, but I did every minute of it.

Oh, really?

Then I did the rider on this new charge and then got back out, and a month and a half later I had a new charge. So they hit me with persistent violator and gave me a 5 to life on it.

Yeah, and it's just possession, uh, nonviolent possession.

If I'm simple possession, nonviolent.

Fucking unreal.

I mean, facts on paper, it looks—

yeah, wow. It's fucking bullshit, Jeremy. I've been looking into it. Like, nonviolent drug offenders, like, the, the fact that this is like even a thing is— it's, it's the most frustrating fucking thing in the world.

So yeah, I mean, I've been watching the Oregon news every morning and I'm, you know, I got my sights set here in a couple years. I'm making some small goals, but I want to move back to Boise so I can get closer to Oregon. Yeah. And then, or just go straight to Oregon.

Yeah, that was honestly one of my original plans when I got released was to get out of Idaho as well. I didn't ever make it there because I didn't have to, but Uh, that's definitely a thought that I had as well, is like, I need to get somewhere that's a little bit just lenient or more understanding of some circumstances.

I'm very frustrated. And it's, it's, it's weird too because we have such a broken system in Idaho for, um, like, uh, the doctors haven't had a good system for recovery, but the prison system in particular and the court system in particular in Idaho is just very strict. It's, um, yeah, it's kind of like throw the book at you and then like fuck you type deal. We almost like the scare tactic. And, um, what multiple places have shown is that doesn't work. It makes the problem worse because what happens is you, you throw somebody and you label somebody and you keep somebody in this category of, um, labeled, um, like drug addict, right? Or addict of non- Like able to re-enter the job force very effectively. You're just a felon. Yeah. And then you get this label and it's hard to expunge in Idaho. It's, you know, it's just some bullshit and all it does is make it worse, not better. And it's nonviolent drug offenders and it's pharmaceuticals that were fucking prescribed by doctors and made by Big Pharma and pushed by government. So it's fucking disgusting.

So they hit you with a Distribution as well?

No, just, uh, this is my 4th possession. So with the amount of times I violated on parole and violated— yeah, just the system when I got out. Yeah, they picked up new charges each time. They charged me with what's called a persistent violator.

Damn.

It carries a 5-to-life sentence, and I pled to it. They'd give me a deal if I plead to that and take the wood court and then finish wood court, and it'd Be absolved off my record. Yep.

So that's— it's, um, it's an outpatient form of drug court, right?

Right, Jeremy?

Exactly. Oh, it is drug court. It's more intense than drug court though. Yeah, it's got more support.

So you're doing that right now?

Yep. Yeah.

How long have you been doing it?

It's been a good— it's a good team. I have a public defender, which is an attorney that's in my, my case team, and he'll like file— if I was married, I think he You can do divorce papers, you can do— get your licenses back, you know, any old stuff. So we're going back through my old stuff, and I'm getting some of this stuff washed off my record already. And then when the time comes and I've done the program successfully, yeah, they will take that charge, the last one, completely off my record. Now the other 3 possessions will still stay there. Yeah, they'll show a simple possession, which is a felony in Idaho, but yeah.

That's fine.

And so how long is the program? A year?

No, it's 2 years.

It's a 2-year program. And you've been doing it for how long again?

I'm sorry. Just a month.

A month.

Yeah. Well, and it's been, it's been going all right.

You have court once a week?

Yep.

Once a week, see the judge, get a candy bar, right?

Yeah, it's when I think about it in my mind's eye, I look at, you know, a bunch of people standing in line getting their candy, you know, you tweet.

Yeah, yeah, I, I failed.

I did it.

I wasn't in as good a place as you were when I got put on drug court, so I, I didn't. But I, I, for me personally, I got a lot out of the rider because it took me out of, uh—

So check this out, Miss Biden retired.

What?

Did you know Miss Biden?

No. Where— I mean, there's 2 different places to go do a rider in Idaho.

Did you do— Were you at CAP or Cottonwood?

I went to Cottonwood.

Oh yeah, she was at CAP.

I went to CAP like for a week and then they ended up transferring up north. Honestly, I don't know, the CAP rider's, uh, supposed to be shorter, which is when you said 5 months, that was pretty quick.

No, I, I did 10 months there. It took me 4 months.

Oh, it was? Yeah, okay. Yeah, you kind of have to just wait and rotate. Yeah, I think mine only took me about 9, I think 10 at the rider and then 2 in county.

Yeah, so my core classes right now are just MRT. Yeah, they're not doing any of the Cincinnati program at all here.

Oh, they dropped it?

Yeah.

What's the Cincinnati program?

It's called CBISA. It's a cognitive behavioral intervention.

Yeah, so CBT therapy where they do it like intensive therapy. What, uh—

Really, honestly, the program, I don't know, it's like speaking reports basically.

Thinking, verifying it, you know, all the stuff that doesn't matter when we're caught in the wind and we're ready to throw it, you know.

Yeah, we're ready to throw it. But like, it— they try to like show you, put you in situations and tell you like, this is how you should react and try to develop that routine, I guess, of saying, you know.

I can see the science behind it. You put yourself imaginatively in a true situation.

Yeah, it's practice makes perfect, right?

So Yeah, role play. Yeah, yeah. And to me, I didn't— that so much, I didn't know how far that really goes. But, uh, just getting the time away and just focusing on myself from the ground up and trying to reinvent, um, who I wanted to be.

What I'm doing here for my— and each of our recoveries individual, like some, you know, like a fingerprint. Everybody is in recovery Recovery has a different fingerprint.

Yeah, everybody's different.

But that's how individual it is though. If you think about our fingerprints, how different mine is from yours.

Yeah, that's a fact.

That's a fact.

You know, the laws of attraction and whatnot are kind of finite. So I'm attracting this thing where I've started this newsletter and I'm basing myself out of a program called Center for Recovery and Hope. And they are people that kind of meet people where they're at. If they say they're in recovery, they're in recovery. You know, we meet people where they're at. It's homeless people, it's everybody, you know, coming out of the jails, systems. And they're funded in actually LLC now. It's called Best Behavioral Health Center. So they got some clinicians on board.

That's awesome. If anybody watching, uh, you should support people like that. I'm saying we've got 370 people live. Every single one of them should support them.

Yeah, yeah, it's like the free clinic. And Hope and Recovery Center in Pocatello has a sister center in Idaho Falls called the Center for Hope. And the lady that runs it, her name's Nancy. She is just a brilliant person inside of recovery. You know, she is an alcoholic raised on Bill's story, 12 steps. Wow. She's got 30-some-odd years of clean time now, and she's opened this center, and she really just knows everybody's individual recovery. Recovery is like a fingerprint. Yeah, to meet where they're at if they're in recovery. Some of it's medical-assisted therapy, you know, we have MAT meetings because a lot of the people here are on Suboxone.

Yeah. Hey, um, I think I'm getting a lot of comments and stuff. Um, people are asking, they wanted to know, um, what the charge was. Well, well, they want to know, yeah, what you got, uh, what the charge of, like, what you're addicted to and what the charge was on, if you want to talk. You don't have to say it, but there is people messaging.

I've been a methamphetamine user for 30 years. Yeah, and since I was 16, 17 years old— I just turned 47 the other day— and I remember the first time I shot it up, I was 17 years old in the back of a state hospital parking lot, and I didn't put it down for, you know, maybe periods of time I would get 2 or 3 months of clean time, but that's That's all I ever had for the past 30 years. When I went to prison, I would use every day, um, because you want anything for an escape, and it was readily available all the time.

Yeah, yeah, that's the thing that people don't get. They're like, they're like, oh yeah, let's like, uh, let's lock them up away from the drug. It's like, let's lock them up with the drug and then say we're helping them.

Like, nah, and that did some things to me being locked up in there that long. You know, happened to keep dirty needles and stuff and, uh, you know, selling Suboxone to support my habit. Yeah, because I, you know, I don't do Suboxone. I'm allergic to—

Yeah.

Opium, so I couldn't really— it made me sick. But methamphetamine was the thing, you know?

Yeah.

I've seen a lot of bad stuff. I've got facial reconstructive surgery from getting in fights.

And yeah, that's a long time. That's kind of— yeah, I mean, that's—

it's, uh, it's— and it's It's just, yeah, it sucks. Like, you know, our, uh, you know, Jake and I have our, our histories as well. And I know that Tyson, um, your brother passed away, um, from fentanyl overdose. Um, it's just like, it's chronic alcoholic with, uh, yep, pancreatitis.

And he thought he figured out how to drink at the end, you know. He thought he knew these vitamins he was taking, and we'd talk about it, you know.

Yeah. Yeah, well, that's what addiction will do.

The brain does. Yeah, yeah.

It'll convince you. It regular. It makes it regular. It makes it like, hey, this is norm, unfortunately.

So they make excuse for anything.

Ultimately took him out, but when he his last dose of fentanyl, you know, when he was combining it with vodka and everything else is that's amazing.

It's just too much respiratory depression.

Yeah, there's just no way to know.

And you and you just don't know what you're getting on the internet. It's, uh, it's just kind of terrifying.

So yeah, and it's evolving now too. It's crazy. They're putting the tranquilizer stuff in it now, and it's just getting—

it's getting worse and worse.

Yeah, yeah, it's not good. But it's good to hear that you're out, you know, trying. You know, the whole thing is that you have to really, uh, you really do have to try to do some actual work. You know, you gotta—

you've gotta find meaning.

I don't—

that was the one thing.

You need to do the 12 steps. You can for sure if that helps you, but I just think that you've got to figure out I always tell everybody to go to the gym. I mean, that's the only thing, dude. I think that— I don't know what you're doing. Like you said, you used to work out in jail, but I mean, for me, just getting the flow of the endorphins and the serotonin in your head and getting on a schedule, because they tell you to get a routine anyways, and implementing exercise into a routine, I think, is key.

Yeah.

I think—

yep. And I think structure and accountability are the 2 key things that are the key factors to success. A routine, structure, right?

Yeah, and accountability.

And then accountability that's real accountability. It can't be your wife. It can't be anything. It's got to be somebody that's in addiction or has been in addiction.

But the accountability and the structure goes hand in hand with exercise. It does.

It kills time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You, if you're accountable to exercise, you can make—

yeah. I just think that that's the best way to do it. So I mean, I don't know.

I'm super fortunate for my routine to be sitting at the desk at the Center for Hope. I get to help people sign in, help them with whatever they need. If they want a clothing closet or if they want a bike to rent. And then I get to mark that in the computer. And at the same time, I'm working on my newsletter. So that's my routine right now.

That's excellent.

You know, back and forth to do that. So I walk about an hour a day.

Excellent.

That's good.

Yeah, yeah, that's, uh, dude, one day leads to 2. It's like, just keep grinding it out because, um, I've been in, um, dude, I don't know, in this, this recent one, but like, you, you can get in a rut, right? And the, uh, the worst place for an addict to be Honestly, is in complacency and then comfortability. And where it's just starting to go good is when I tend to fuck everything up, right? Because I get a little anxious. It's like, hey, stuff shouldn't be going good or something. I play— I almost— it's like impending doom that I create for myself.

Just self-sabotage.

Self-sabotage. I— and the reason being is because I'm— I want drugs.

You're addicted.

That's it, right? Like, it's just like you're— I'm an addict in a lot of ways. Now, there's medicines to help with cravings. I've talked to you about them. Naltrexone, I'm a big advocate for. But there's also other ways to help curb cravings. The best way we know of is to talk about it, right? That's why meetings work. That's why we talk every week. That's why, you know what I mean? So it's just one of those things that, like, staying up on it And it's, you know, just talking about the shit, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'll be willing to talk about it.

And you're not the only one that's unfortunately dealing with this. And I think that it's, it's one of those things as we talk about it and we can make people at least understand it a little. I think that it's going to go a long ways both for both people, right? Like if you can understand where they're coming from because I'll just tell you, like, coming out of it and stuff, like, and understanding, like, their side of the story and how much damage I've done is just as big as them understanding that, you know, I was kind of being— you know, people are handcuffed to the drug, right? Like, there's not a lot of choices that are truly yours when you're an addict, right?

Yeah.

It's like, how can I get more? Yeah, how's the obsession take control? And that's— that understanding is not clearly understood by people. And talking about it's the only way to get it out.

Yeah.

So yeah, yeah, people are thanking you for the story.

And I'm glad I called at a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, it's great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We got 400 people watching now.

So yeah, we love that.

390. Nice. Yep, yep.

But yeah, man.

Awesome, buddy.

What's it called so I can tune it in sometime?

Yeah, it's called The Pharma Problem. And I have a Twitch channel. I play video games on it. The Pharma Problem is what we're streaming on live now. But the the podcast will be on Spotify and everything. We have five episodes, and we're releasing them after this one, I believe.

Now we've got a few more to go.

But you think before we release?

Yeah. But we'll we'll have a catalog. But we'll post like clips and stuff on Jacob's Instagram. And I think you're trying to put it on YouTube as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're getting it out there. So but it'll get posted in a bit. So I'll let you know.

Cool. Yeah.

Awesome, buddy.

All right. Well, talk to me.

All right, sounds good. Later, Jeremy.

Later.

Bye. I said his name weird.

Yeah, Jeremy. He sounds like he's 21, dude.

He is not 21.

Does he look 21?

He's been addicted to meth for 30 years.

I know, he doesn't sound like it. Like, he looks— sounds like a young buck, you know?

He just kind of is a young buck.

Well, because he's been just surrounded by just young testosterone locked in the joint. That'll, that'll do it to you. For sure. Yeah, that's a fact.

Yeah.

Uh, wow, cool. Good for him though. He's out. It's one month in.

It's not really good for him. Yeah, but it's, uh, he's working in the right direction.

That's what I mean. Good for him to try.

I've been talking to him since he's been in the joint for the last 9 months. So yeah, he's made it a long way.

Yeah. Yeah.

He's been out a month. Yeah. I forgot he's out.

Yeah.

That's why I said Jeremy instead of prison.

Yeah.

But Yeah, it's um yeah, it's just one of those rough things.

You know, addiction sucks. It affects everybody in some ways, whether it's your family or your friends.

And okay, so I know we're getting down on addiction and we're all drug addicts, drug addicts. But let's talk about some weird addictions, like because you understand we know how to be. Like, we're— we know how to be drug addicts, and we can— I think somebody can conceptually understand something that gives you a lot of euphoria, being addicted to it.

Yeah.

Like heroin.

That seems like something, yeah, you would be addicted to. Yeah, it makes you feel better than you've ever felt in your entire life.

It does.

Well, let's look at the weirdest addictions known to man. Um, and I'm just gonna type that in.

I mean, there's a lot, you know.

Weird addictions.

I was listening to a podcast talking about some lady that collects poop.

My Strange Addiction, 10 of the Strangest Addictions.

Yeah, I read that somebody collected all their poop for 20 years and put it in jars and stuff.

Eating drywall. Okay, so what? Okay, so this is a common one apparently. There, there are a lot of creatures that can get inside your walls and eat away at your drywall, causing serious damage to the home. But 26-year-old Nicole is beating the mice to it. She pulls out hunks of drywall from her home, leaving holes sometimes 3 feet wide. What in the fuck? Eating toilet paper. Why is it all eating?

Compulsive behavior.

It's compulsive. Eating toilet paper. In love with a doll.

Yikes. Have you ever seen Lars and the Real Girl? That movie with the goss?

No.

It's a pretty good movie.

He falls in love with a doll, an internet doll.

Eating couch cushions. Eating—

yeah.

Snorting baby powder. That's stupid.

They cut baby powder with cocaine.

Yeah, I know. It's the baby powder that keeps them coming back for more. You're like That's— I mean, that can't be real.

Probably.

Okay, let's, uh, let's say this here. Usually when you see a reality show, they confront someone about addiction to snorting white powder up their nose. Intervention. But Jay isn't a coke addict, she's baby powder addict. She's 28 years old and has been addicted for the last 16 years. She snorts it 10 times a day. Jesus, look at her taking a big old sniff of it.

That type of shit's way sadder than I'm getting addicted to drugs, dude. There's some—

what if she's just doing cocaine?

No, she's not.

And she's just like, it's just these big piles of cocaine that she's snorting. She's like, yeah, it's baby powder, guys.

They've been telling her it's baby powder.

Yeah, she's just like, yeah, she's just like, I don't know why everybody doesn't do baby powder.

Yeah, they're like, no, no, no, it's all right.

No, no, no, it's fine, it's for babies.

Baby powder.

It's baby powder.

Her friends are fucking fucked up, dude. They told her it was—

No, I think she's kind of fucked in the head, if I had to guess.

Well, that's what I'm saying. That's why it's like these addictions sound like there's something like really wrong with you outside of just being—

Okay, what's the difference of you fucking balling up into a house and snorting a bunch of cocaine that's a white powder as opposed to baby powder? You don't get any type of an endorphin rush or anything Yeah, but it still is insane if you take away the endorphin, like the euphoria. It's still the same.

Well, that's what is—

that's—

it's the same act, but like there's something psychologically way worse snorting baby powder than snorting like coke or whatever, dude, because you're not getting anything.

What if baby powder is safer?

It's fine, but like you're not getting this rush like you do from doing a drug, you know? People are fucking crazy out there.

I'm just saying, I'm not like trying to Say that we should try and snort baby powder, but I think we should try and snort baby powder.

Jake versus Jake.

Yeah.

Jake versus Jake. You can do a bigger line of baby powder.

Yeah.

Well, we made it just up. Just up. A dragon.

All right.

Well, that was an interesting episode.

Yeah.

Coming up on an hour. Uh, yeah, that was good. Yeah. It's been a while since we've done one.

Uh, Jeremy in prison. We can make that a regular thing.

Probably check in every once in a while. See how he's doing, if it helps him, you know.

I think it's good. It's the pharma problem, right? We'll keep the— I like the look like this for the podcast. We'll do a live stream so we can have some questions. I like the questions. Like, I don't think that hurts. Like, it's like, hey, uh, like, can you ask him what he's addicted to? These are all good questions that the people were asking. So yeah, um, yeah, let's, uh, keep it rolling. Thanks, Kyler, for questions, uh, and the others. Um, that's the farmer problem. I'll probably be playing some Twitch with, uh, Travie tonight. Um, what time? Uh, I'm, I'm probably gonna do a show after this, and then I'll do a late show as well. Um, I know we had some drop-off, but, um, we'll, uh, we'll hit it back up after that. Cool. Um, we're gonna get these, uh, podcasts out. We're gonna be hopefully on Spotify.

Yeah, we'll start doing more and develop develop more content for the, the people that appreciate it, like it. So thanks for listening, guys.

Yeah, and ladies, hit us, uh, with a view and, uh, appreciate it.

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