2270: Deconstructing the Vaccine Myth: Historical Data Revealed on Vaccine Effectiveness with Roman Bystrianyk

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It is my pleasure to welcome Roman Bistrionic to the show. He is an author and a researcher, the author of Dissolving Illusions, which is what we're going to primarily talk about today. We're going to talk about the history of disease, vaccines and health. He's also the author of a couple of other very interesting books as well. We might touch on those. Roman, welcome. How are you?

I'm doing great. How are you?

Good. It's good to have you. Where are you located?

Connecticut. United States.

Fantastic.

Or it's hot as heck.

Yeah. Hey, I'M in Florida, it's even worse.

Oh, yeah.

So tell us a little bit about your thesis for dissolving illusions, if you would.

Well, I started looking into vaccines almost by accident because I had kids at the time, young kids, and I wanted to know a little bit more about it. And I had heard some things about autism and neurological damage. And so I was picking up books and reading things, and I came across a chart in one of these books that showed a massive decline in mortality in measles before there was a vaccine. And that kind of made me go, that can't be true. This guy's full of it.

Really.

I didn't think it was real, but curiosity got the better of me. I went to a local library and found an almanac, and essentially what the guy had talked about or shown in his chart was true. And then it just got me curious. I went to a local medical library and got all the data for every year starting in the year 1900, which took a bit of time because back then you had to look for stuff and real books and then photocopy it. And I would go back and put in my Excel spreadsheet. And what I found was that we had before there was a vaccine in 1963, measles deaths had declined by over 98%. And that shocked me. I thought that was. That was crazy how I didn't know that, because if you've taken care of mortality rate for by 98%, it's, you know, why did we start vaccinating? Why don't I know this? And what caused that 98% decrease? Why couldn't we just do more of whatever we had already done and just basically taking care of the problem without introducing a whole new scheme to take care of things? So that was my thinking at the time.

So the producers of the vaccines and a lot of others would say, well, the vaccine solved the problem. Are you saying that wasn't the.

Well, yeah, I think we'll just skip over to the slides that show the data. Right. You can skip some of these things. So here's the one in the green that shows the decline in mortality rate for the disease of measles in the United States. They started gathering data in 1900, and by 1963, when they came up with the first measles vaccine, the mortality rate is virtually near zero. It had fallen by 98%. This data is United States vital statistics data. This is official government data. There is no better data on the planet for the United States. And you can go to this publication and you see the exact same chart I created many years later after this publication came out. This is back in the 1960s, and I created my first chart, like end of 1990s. And so what we have here is, well, you can go to dissolving illusions.com, all the charts are there. You can look at all the references and, you know, verify the data for yourself. Here's that cd. This is available on the CDC website. This used vital statistics report. You can go to this link, go to page 85 and you would see the same chart. So everyone can verify this data. It's not difficult to verify. And so what we have is, you know, the same basic graphic. So this is a graphic showing the same thing. So Starting in the 1900s, we had a big problem with measles. By the time the vaccine came out in 1963, already had a 98.6% decline from the peak.

So what do you think happened?

Well, we can get to that, but we'll just cover a little bit more data. But yeah, well, that's a good question. Right, so what caused that big decline? But in this slide, you can see that if we put a trend line on when the vaccine came out and the mortality rate, there's virtually no impact in mortality rate. So it didn't really affect the mortality rate. We have a similar, similar information from England. They began gathering data in 1838, which is much earlier. And during the 1800s, measles was a big killer. Then by 1870s, 1880s, it began to decline. And by the time they started vaccinating, this is the beginning of vaccination in 1968, we've had almost 100% decline in mortality. So while people were dying like flies of all sorts of diseases in the, in the 1800s, by the time we started hitting the early 1900s, it wasn't much of a problem. The vaccine came in way after most of the problem was gone. And this is the kind of data that's generally not known, it's not shared by any governments. They just don't present this information, which I think is.

You're definitely right. It's, it's not known. Most people just attribute the decline to the vaccine. They say vaccine solved.

Everybody I know who has looked into this came to the same, like, shocking conclusion. Like, wow, I thought it was the vaccine that did it. And it turns out it's not. I'm not the only one that's done this. Other doctors I know, when they looked into it, they looked at the data, it was like Oh, I didn't know that. No one really knows. It's not something that's usually very widely known at all. I think it's vital information for parents to make informed decisions. Unfortunately, we have government agencies and medical systems that don't share this kind of information.

Yeah, well, there's, there's certainly no incentive to. From the pharmaceutical industry. Right. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.

Right. And nobody really wants to, you know, kind of rock the boat, really, so. And here we are. This information is not shared. And as a matter of fact, if you look at medical journals, they might talk about mortality decline, but they usually stop before they attribute any kind of success to before the vaccine. They share data that's after vaccination, and so they give all the credit to vaccination. So it's not surprising that doctors and nurses and the public in general think that vaccines did it when it's not really true at all.

So are you going to speculate for us at least on what did it, or do you know?

Yeah, sure, we can do that. So here's another trend line that shows that the mortality rate wasn't really influenced by the vaccine at all. Sometimes you could find medical journals that talked about this decline beforehand, but it's pretty rare to find anything in the medical journals. So what was life like in the 1800s? If we look at movies, you see people in gowns and top hats and having a nice, nice day, pretty much riding around in coaches. But life in the 1800s and even before that was really, really difficult. Pollution was, was horrible. There was no, there's no pipe water. So the big cities, you went to the bathroom and went out, out the window into your water supply. You drank from the same water supply as your bathroom material went into. Food was not of good quality, so they were basically eating rotten food or diseased food or very poor food. And so you had a population that was not very healthy at all. There was no labor law, so kids as young as four years old worked in mines and factories. So they were always stressed to the max. A lot of people worked 12, 16 hours a day. That's what they did. They worked day in, day out. So you had an environment that was not very conducive to health. So it was very poor nutrition, overworked, bad living conditions. People lived in horrible slums. Pollution was rampant. Air pollution was horrifying because coal was in place. So people were just breathing in tons of polluted materials. The London fog wasn't a fog. It was basically soot from all the Coal. So there was an awakening in the mid-1800s that these infectious diseases weren't because of basically things in the air. It was mostly because of the poor health of the people. And so they started instituting things. Clean water, sanitation, hygiene, improved nutrition. They started putting in labor laws. And then we had a revolution in science with electricity, which gave us first ice boxes and refrigerators. And all the things that we think are just normal part of life were not in existence. And they slowly came in place as they did. And as the population got healthier, all these diseases collapsed as far as mortality rate, including smallpox. Smallpox also fell off a cliff and became basically a mild disease by the mid-1900s.

So maybe what happened here is just because of this, these general unhealthy living conditions in so many ways, people were immune compromised. They were just likely to pick up diseases because of the contaminated water and so on and so forth. Right?

Yeah, yeah, so, right. I agree with that. Half of children died very young. You just didn't live to be old. That's why they had big families, generally. So Even in the 1700s, people were dying mostly at childhood, before the age of five, from a variety of different conditions. Yeah.

And it's interesting because most people think life expectancy has increased a whole bunch, and that's really not quite true. What's happened is it's the absence of death that has changed. You know, people lived just as long as they do now, a long time ago. There are many examples of that. You know, Stradivarius, for example, you know, I mean, lived a very long life. Many others did. It was just the absence of getting a disease. Right. Or getting an accident.

One half of the deaths were in children under 5 years old in London. So we have. We have statistics called from London that show that over the 16 to the 1700s. We don't. The national statistics started in 1838, but we have the London statistics. And what you can see is half the deaths were in children. And then if you made it past that, people lived into their 60s, 70s, and some made it into 80s, 90s, even 100. Sure, sure. It was less than it is today, but it was still a significant number.

Okay, so. And I don't know if you've got research on this, but I'd love to at least get your comment on it. Let's fast forward now into a later era where things got better in terms of standard of living in so many ways. And let's talk about polio, because now we're in much more recent history. What happened there do you have research on polio?

Yeah, a bit. I mean, in essence, polio was never a big ticket item, if you will. It wasn't a high mortality rate at all. The big items were measles, whooping cough, scarlet fever, typhoid, you know, all these types of things that were really rampant and they all fell off a cliff basically before any of the stuff in the later 1900s. So polio was never a big ticket item. So it's a little bit harder to get into because it's a little bit more complex of a topic.

Yeah, got it.

Okay. Yeah. So you had a lot of different factors with that because a lot of different things would cause paralysis. There was different modalities for treating that, and they were often very harsh of immobilizing limbs and putting them in a particular condition that would cause the paralysis, that would cause the problem. There was a lady called Sister Kenny that would go around and she realized that massage in hot packs, this type of thing that we, you know, we kind of think about today maybe for some kind of injury. She started doing that on children and they all were recovering. She had a very high success rate. So it gets to be quite complicated. But essentially somebody came along with the idea of vaccinating for a particular microbe when there was many other reasons why you might get paralyzed. And people still get paralyzed today. We just don't see these iron lungs anymore. You have now ventilators if you get paralyzed.

Yeah, right. So that's much less dramatic, obviously, and people don't notice it as much. But when you look at the history of. I'm going to call it the V thing because I don't even want to say the name out of fear of getting censored. But when you look at the history of it, is this true in most cases with most V's, that they really came about as the disease itself was essentially a non issue.

Yeah. The only one, the only exception is the original vaccine, which is smallpox. So here we have like pertussis, which is whooping cough. You could see it declining over time by over 92%. They came out with a vaccine in the late 40s. No real impact on the mortality trends. Again, we have better data in England because they started earlier and this is the same pattern. We have high death rates until the 1870s, 1880s, decline, decline, decline, until we were down almost 100% before they started national use of the vaccine. So. Yeah, so the vaccine, I guess I shouldn't say the V word.

Yeah.

Came in much later and that's True for all these types of things. This is an interesting piece of data. So we have the total deaths in England starting in 1900 and you can see the first part of the century there were deaths and it declined to near zero by the time 1957. In the 70s there was a scare on neurological damage from the DTV vaccine. And so vaccination rates dropped and then recovered because the medical system panicked and got people back on board. So that's that dotted blue line. So when there was a dip in the coverage rate, there was no big spike up in deaths. So it didn't really change the death rate at all.

If you know the answer to this, let us know. Maybe you don't, but how many Vs are children expected to get today in their first several years of life? When I was a kid there weren't that many. From what I understand from parents today, they're just expected to get so many of these.

Yeah, I, I really don't have the current statistics but it is a huge number. So right when I was a kid you got some measles, you got the polio, you got the whooping cough. If you're a little bit older you got smallpox, which by that point was ridiculous to get but people got that. So yeah, it was very minimal amount. Now it's like I don't even know all the different ones they're like recommending. There's really no limit. The belief system is you can have as many as you want.

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But the question is, are they really.

All that necessary concern, or are they actually harmful? Because I've seen some really scary charts regarding autism, and I have done some shows on this before. What do you make of that possible connection?

I've gone to a couple different events, and people know of my book or our book, and they'll come up to me and they have damaged children. And the children are there and they say, hey, I got this. The shot in the next day or next week. He was never the same.

Wow.

I had one, I guess he was probably in his late 19, late teens or 20s, and he was in a wheelchair with oxygen. You know, he was totally destroyed. And every parent claims it happened just right after that. And. But, you know, the medical system says, no, no, no, that's just. That didn't happen. That was because of some other reason. And after listening to lots of parents, I have to conclude there's something going on. And, yeah, I know my heart goes out to these parents because not only do they end up with some kind of damaged child, they get berated for even suggesting it's the V that caused the problem.

Right, right. They do. You know, you're a conspiracy theorist or you're crazy, you know, yeah, that's. That's just unbelievable.

The damage from vaccination began way back in the 1700s when they were scratching smallpox on the people. And you had a 2 to 3% mortality rate from that procedure, at least initially. And then when vaccination came in, which is basically the same thing as taking smallpox from a person, taking some pus from a cow or a goat or a horse and scratching it onto. There were many cases of people being injured or killed throughout the 1800s from this procedure. It's just been. Essentially, all that information has been ignored.

Well, and even the lesser potential side effects of all these allergies, I mean, I've never seen so many people so allergic to everything before. I mean, you know, I'm not allergic to anything that I'm aware of at least. But, you know, nowadays, everybody's allergic to everything. I mean, it's unbelievable. You know, friends of mine, younger friends of mine in their. In their twenties, I ask them about this. You know, they're allergic to peanuts, they're allergic to this, that and the other thing. You know, I say, hey, do you think it's the V's that you got? And they say, maybe. I don't know. You know, they have no way of knowing.

Yeah, there's no way. You really tell. Those kind of questions are complicated because you're exposed to all sorts of environmental toxins. I know of one person who didn't get any vaccines, but they were. And neither did the mom. Well, the mom got some earlier, but anyway, you know, they had some serious autism challenges. They're a lot better now. They've recovered to a large degree, but they didn't really have any vaccines at all. So it's. It's. It's more than just that. Sure. Although I think there's probably a certain number of connections, but they're never looked for. Because the assumption, even starting in really 1798, that this is a perfectly safe procedure and nothing bad ever happens. And that's how it was promoted, and it's been promoted that way for over 200 years now.

Yeah, that's. That's what you have to believe. Otherwise you're. You're a wacko. Right? Yeah.

There were. There was plenty of Doctors in the 1800s, starting in 1809, all the way through to the early 1900s, that there were doctors that came out when they looked into the information, that said, hey, this is not what you. You told us. This is not what we were taught in medical school. Or they experienced disasters in their own profession or with their own family. So there were doctors that spoke out against it, but they were either ignored or they were basically excommunicated. There was one, one scientist, Dr. Crichton. He wrote numerous books. He was well respected. But when he was asked to write a article on vaccination in the Encyclopedia Britannica, he started looking to things, and it didn't. It didn't jive with what he originally thought. So you wrote a rather critical article, and it got published in 1888, but the medical profession were none too happy about it, and he essentially just fell out of favor. He was no longer a welcome member of the medical system.

So, so, so, so this is 1888, cancel culture.

Well, yeah. So even from. Right from the beginning, if you were against this thing, as early as 19, early 1900s, 1902, it had already been embedded as a absolute protective, safe entity. And it was far from that, but it just got embedded into that culture.

Do you know when the AMA was founded?

Not sure. Probably early 1900s, late 1800s.

Yeah. Okay, interesting. Okay, what else do you have to show us?

Yeah, so this is another example of whooping cough. And this is from a letter from Victoria Roma Swedish Institute.

And, oh, by the way, I found out it was founded in 1847, the AMA.

I don't think it was that big until later, but I could be wrong. So when you looked at the death rate in Sweden and they had. They basically had to abandon the DTV vaccine fee. Sorry. Because of safety concerns and ineffectiveness. And so over the next X number of years, they. They looked at the death rate and essentially about 0.6 children died every year from whooping cough in that country over those years. Or one in. Your chances are 1 in 13 million of dying from whooping cough.

Wow.

So it wasn't a big disaster that they stopped vaccinating.

Better worry much more about lightning strikes.

Yeah, there's a lot more things to worry about in the world. So there's another big killer in England. We have data for that. It's called scarlet fever. It's about twice as deadly as whooping cough or measles was during that era. It too fell off in 1870, 1880, and dropped to near zero and then hit zero without any vaccine. So that particular disease, there was a vaccine, but it was really toxic and it never really caught on. We don't vaccinate for scarlet fever anymore or ever, really. Here's just some more data. Diphtheria, same type of thing. They came up with a diphtheria vaccine introduced in 1920, but there's no real change in death rate. There was typhoid and parathyphoid. It declined at the same time. 1870s, 1880s, it came down and hit zero. Tuberculosis, that was a big killer. That was one of the biggest killers. Tuberculosis, same thing. We don't vaccinate for tuberculosis. You just don't do that. Even though that was a big killer, it basically dropped to zero or near zero by the mid-1900s. We had cholera pandemics all the way through the 1800s, but the last one was really in the early 1900s and that was the end of it. So we don't worry about that either. So all these diseases declined at the same time. Which gives you the idea that there's an underlying common factor. It's not that there was vaccines for all these things developed and saved us all.

Yeah. It was just general progress and hygiene and, you know, probably germ theory. Joseph Lister and, you know, his work.

Maybe too well, most of it. Well, there was a lot of things instituted. Clean water and. Sure, all these types of things. But before that, things were so bad that it was amazing that people survived. The upper classes did fairly well. They didn't succumb to these things as much as the poor. The poor ones that took the brunt of it.

Another thing you have to think about though is the density of the population at the time. Right. So with industrialization, people started to move out of rural areas into city centers more, right?

Yeah, that's true.

So you have more people in closer proximity. Right. And so I don't think it's so.

Much the proximity is that you had dense populations and you would be in.

A dense populations that were sharing water and you know, you wouldn't, you would.

Be in the hovel, right, with maybe 10, 20, 30 people in a room, right, that, that you're basically on the verge of starvation. Some cases not eating properly. And where did you go to the bathroom? You had to go somewhere. You went out the window and you were drinking from that. If somebody died from something, what were you going to do? You would leave the body there. You leave the body in the room. You didn't have to scrape some pennies together to go bury the body. This was a very difficult time for a lot of people. So, yeah, sure, it's, it's not just the density. It's not that the people were so unhealthy and overworked and malnourished. That, that was a real principal problem of getting all sorts of different problems.

Right. But that density created the shared water, the sewer problems and all of that stuff. That's what I'm saying.

The air, right, the air pollution.

Lived in a rural area. You weren't close to all of that. You know, the waste was in a much bigger environment. You know, if you were on a.

Farm, you were in a bit much better shape. Of course, everybody had their challenges because you didn't have electricity, you didn't have all these things. You had to, you had to work through these things. You had to be, be wise. You could just like run to the store and get some food.

Right, right. Okay. Okay. What else do you want to share with us?

So, you know, same thing happened with the flu. So starting in 1900, the death rate was about 200, drop down to around under 50. By the time the flu vaccine came down to death rate, it dropped by 90%. So it's same kind of thing, but it was still around. But then we started vaccinating. The dotted blue line shows vaccination coverage rates. They went up, they were about 60 or 70. The other line shows you the death rate and really the death rate went up and then came back down. It's basically the same as it was back in the 1970s. It hasn't been improved. So we're vaccinating for the flu every year, but we're not really improving the death rate. It's not really doing what it's purported to do. And this is just a little picture. This is from the 1940s, that picture of, you know, kids looking healthy. And they recognize in Life magazine that these things, measles, scarlet fever, diphtheria, are just going down in a way and we can expect them to be completely gone. We don't have to worry about them anymore. They're not part of the mortality statistics anymore. So that was well recognized by that point.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'd rather, without even saying the words, just bring this to present day and talk about the C. V. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When we talk about current types of problems that are happening. Right. We have to ask ourselves if we know history, we know that all these so called infectious diseases declined to zero or near zero without any medical intervention. Without any medical intervention. That includes the V's and other things. Most of the decline happened because of sewers, fresh water, proper hygiene, nutrition, incomes, the flush toilet, electricity, public water works. All these things came together. Child labor laws. Instead of going to a mine or a factory to work, you went to school. And maybe people don't like schools today because of this reason, that reason, but that was a far better thing to do than working In a factory 12 hours a day, abused, poor food. So all those things change. That's the key. That's the key that we missed. It's in my opinion, the world's greatest health revolution that we forgot about. Yeah, because we've been obsessed with, we've been obsessed with medical solutions for health problems instead of focusing on our health.

Right, Yeah, I get your thesis and I agree with it. But again, the thing that we went through the last couple of years and the V there, do you have anything to say about that or is that.

Well, I haven't looked into it, but just, just in, in a nutshell, if it's never really done anything positive throughout history, it's not the big thing that solved the problems, then why are we doing that thing again? And I think it's mostly about belief system. It's about that and profits. This belief system's been around for 300 years. This idea of making you sick to keep you healthy has been around a long time and it's, it's just basically embedded into the medical culture. It's embedded into our culture, but it's not the way to really handle problems. So I was out during the recent few years when nobody was out. I was out helping homeless people because they were all abandoned So I was meeting with homeless people. I got them some food and I would do this quite often. They weren't wearing anything on their face. They were not the healthiest bunch because they, you know, they have to struggle to stay alive. But none of them, as far as I know, became ill. None of them died. I didn't get anything. I didn't die. And we were out all the time. They were out all the time. I was out some of the time because I'm fortunate, I have a home. So I wasn't worried about it because I knew the history that it's about your health and it's not about a particular microbe swooping down and killing you. That's basically a fantasy, the whole idea. Even Florence Nightingale said this in the 1800s. She said that this whole doctrine of contagion is for, for the weak minded. The, you know, it's not, it's not a very smart contagion. She wanted the doctors to teach people to care about their health, not worry about these contagion ideas. She recognized that it's about the person's health, not about some other thing. That's a single thing causing a single issue. She thought that was not a very smart thing.

It's really shocking to me that we equate doctors and the medical establishment with health. You know, people ask their doctor about this and that and the doctor gets almost no training on health oriented things. You know, their profession by nature is a reactive profession. Right. It's not a proactive profession.

Right. So, you know, that's been going on for centuries. Yeah. Actually started changing in the late 1800s. There were numerous doctors that recognized it was about the health. So they were instituting things of proper hygiene, proper living, proper eating, exercise, these types of things. And there was quite a movement in that direction, but it largely got hit by profits. In the early 1900s there were people that were very interested in doing these types of interventions. And Dr. Crichton's article that had been put in in 1888 was stripped out in the 1920s and replaced with V therapies as the solution for everything. Yeah, his, his article was just basically canceled. It was gone. Right.

Cancel culture of what, the 1920s, I think.

Yep. So somebody must have noticed, hey, we got to get rid of this critical article. And it was gone.

And everybody should understand it's not just the V, that's the profit center for the medical industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industrial complex. You know, it's not just the V itself, but it's the effects of the V. Right. So if the V is making people sicker, then you get a customer on the back end, right? You get, you know, it's like making your customer come back. Right. You give them the V now and then you give them a whole bunch more treatments later.

There were a lot of things written about this in the 17 to 1800s, early 1900s. I don't remember the specifics, but one, one doctor was talking about, if I come in and I, you have some kind of condition, whatever it is, and I give you some bread pills that don't do anything, and I tell you to rest and do this, you'll recover. And you're like, oh, okay, that's no big deal. My doctor didn't do that much. Maybe, maybe I don't even. He doesn't even deserve his fee and wasn't a big deal. But if another guy comes in and gives you arsenic and mercury and all sorts of toxic stuff and you, you're sick for months or years and you eventually recover, if you don't die, then guess who's the hero? The doctor that saved you.

Right.

And he talked about that happens all the time.

And that's the way it is with everything. You know, if you, if you hire a lawyer and they solve your problem really quickly, you're going to think they overcharged you. If it takes them, sure. If it takes them three years and a whole bunch of communication and a whole bunch of work, then you know, you're going to think, oh, well, they did something, even though. Cost a fortune. Right. But, yeah, so.

So this idea has been around. It's not just these. It's. They had extremely toxic medications and toxic ideas in the 17, 1800s, even earlier. So if you got sick, they said, oh, well, you shouldn't have any fresh water, you shouldn't have any fresh air or sunshine. You should stay in a confined warm area. We're going to give you some warm water and some mercury, essentially, and then you're going to be fine. And when they died, they died of that condition. They didn't die of the treatment.

Unbelievable. It's crazy.

You know, this thing's been going on for a long time and there were doctors that recognized that, but they were in the minority. And they essentially haven't survived history. They basically got erased from history.

Yeah, it's like the memory hole that the big tech companies have created about the sea affair we had over the past couple years. And the thing that happened when the guy came into office on January 6, and all of this, they're just creating complete holes in memory, in society's memory. It's unbelievable.

Yeah, I don't know anything about those. Well, I know a little bit, but not enough to say, speak intelligently about it.

Yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying either way, but I'm saying they did the thought. Police were out in force. We know that. Right.

Yeah, well. Well, that was certainly. That was.

They didn't want to have the other side of the story told. That's the point.

That was certainly true with the last three years with stuff happening and people running around and screaming and I was threatened a couple of times with my life just because people were so panicky because I was doing anything except minding my own business. But they make proclamations and they're not supported by evidence. For example, like masks. The Cochrane Institute came out with a numerous studies since 2005 showing masks don't do anything.

Why not do harm?

Which is not surprising to me because these diseases were all tamed without any kind of intervention. So why do we think that's a good idea? But you can read some of the documents. It's always been very, like, fuzzy, like, well, we don't think it really does anything, but doesn't hurt to do. So we're going to make everybody do it. There's no evidence that it does anything.

One other comment I want to make before you go is that every year when I go to the doctor or, or maybe in between a little more sometimes, I basically never get the flu V. I don't think I've ever had it in my life. Maybe I had it when I was a kid and didn't know it, but I never get it. Okay. And they always ask me and I am looked at with some degree of disdain when I answer, no, I did not get the flu V. Right. The V for the flu. I never get it. Right. It's sort of like you're just expected to. Sure, sure.

That's been instituted over many decades, so it becomes just a automatic thing. But if you read the medical literature, there's a lot of things tied to you getting ill. It doesn't have to be about a microbe. If your vitamin D levels are extremely low, you're going to be in serious trouble. You're going to end up with these kind of respiratory kind of problems if they're optimal, like 50 nanograms per milliliter, which is like what you would be if you were a lifeguard out in the sun. And you're. Then it drops by 95%.

Sure.

But instead we're obsessed with the V word because it's been indoctrinated into us for centuries.

So it has. Well, give out your website. Tell people where they can find out more.

Roman, go to dissolving illusions.com it's got some free chapters. It's got all the charts, all the references, so you can look things up. The email address is there. Send me an email if you have a question. If you want more information, documents, anything, I'll be happy to help anybody.

All right, Roman, thanks for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

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