CW 720 - Beverly Flaxington - SHIFT Model, Get Where YOU Want to Go
31 Aug 2016 · 35 min
Beverly Flaxington presents the SHIFT model, a five-step framework for reaching goals: specify your outcome, highlight obstacles, identify human factors, find alternatives, and take disciplined action. She shares practical tips like scheduling three daily top tasks and walks through real examples including a client's weight-loss struggle.
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Welcome to the Creating Wealth show, episode number 720. 720. This is your host, Jason Hartman, and thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate you listening in. And today we have a 10th episode, yes, a 10th episode where we go off topic and we discuss something of general life success. And today we're going to talk about the shift model. You'll see what that's all about in just a moment. But before we do that, you know, I just did a podcast interview and I'm always doing interviews on other people's shows. I've been interviewed on probably now over 500 other shows, whether it be radio, TV or podcast. And we're going to start a new show actually to just replay all those interviews. So if you want to hear me on the seat, you can do that. Yes, Jason on the hot seat. And so here's what I was talking about on that other interview today. I was talking about the concept of gratitude and delayed gratification, two very powerful things for success in life. Being willing and able to delay gratification, that's a big part of being a real estate investor, folks, because we are in this for the long term. We, we're in this for the long haul. We know that the big rewards in life come to the people who are playing the long game. We're not into the flipping concept. We're into the buy and hold concept. And it's not that really long a game. It's just a few years. One of our clients sent me a vox last night and you have to forgive me because I can't remember the exact numbers, but he had a few ups and downs over the years with his property and then he noticed that he was looking on Zillow, and there was a new listing right near his property, just a couple doors down, I believe it was. And it was, oh, gosh, I'm going to get these numbers wrong. I just know it. But the concept was something along these lines. I just want to tell you, make that disclaimer that I'm not being specific because I don't remember the numbers. A lot has happened since yesterday. I've been doing a lot of stuff since then, so forgive me, but he paid. You know, he bought his house during the Great Recession or, you know, immediately after it, through us, of course. I think he paid like $47,000. And this other house, Indianapolis, by the way, it was in Indianapolis, was listed for something like $140,000. So even though he said he's had some trouble over the years, he was happy to see that the property, he stuck with it. And the property went way up in value. So remember, be willing to delay gratification. That's the sign of adulthood. That we can wait, that we're not impatient little children. We can wait a few years to make some really good returns on our investments. And really, we shouldn't have to wait too many years to make good returns because we are not speculative investors. We follow commandment number five, thou shalt not gamble. And that means that we buy properties that make sense the day we buy them from a cash flow perspective. So we'll get good yield all the way along. But in addition to getting good yield, we're going to see that long game of some nice appreciation happen for us. This is a game of staying power. And when the other people get discouraged, that's when the winners really start to win the game, because it's a game of staying power, okay? So speaking of that staying power, I want to share with you a little Business Insider story I saw just yesterday. And it's about one of those favorite topics of mine, inflation. And, you know, you could certainly argue that inflation has been relatively tame the past few years, and I would actually agree with you in a lot of ways. But when you look at the long game, and I know this is an extremely long game I'm about to share with you, so don't panic. It happens over 10 years, just like it happens over 50 and 60 years, okay? But it's just very telling to look at this, right? So Here we go. Seven things you could buy for $1. Seven things you could buy for one dollar in 1950. Now, remember on the last episode when I talked about the decoupling and the trade between China and the US and how the US is getting the benefit of the bargain on that deal because we pay in these dollars that we keep debasing and we get the goods, we get the lifestyle benefit. Now, it's a great deal for the US right? Not as good a deal for China. And I talked about Peter Schiff and how he said there'd be this decoupling and the growing Chinese middle class and all of this stuff, which is awesome. Okay, this is last episode I talked about this. But I'm not sure if I completely made the connection for you as I should have. See, so let me make it for you. Now, the point being that if we inflate away the value of our dollars, China gets an even worse deal and all of our trading partners get a inferior deal to what they think they're getting. So you can see that through government spending and government debt in the US and the US Having the reserve currency and the US Having a massive amount of debt. We're talking over a trillion dollars. It is in the benefit of the largest and most powerful entities the human race has ever known to continue on an inflation footing because the US Gets to pay the debt back in ever cheaper devalued dollars. Awesome deal. If you're borrowing money. So when I talk about inflation induced debt destruction as a strategy for us as a real est investor, and I say to the gold bugs out there, stop your whining, stop complaining, and stop investing in silly gold. May I remind you, as I forgot to mention on the last episode, the good old Peter Schiff who I was talking about was the one who predicted gold would be a whopping $5,000 an ounce by the end of Obama's first term. Well, that didn't even come close to happening. In fact, the complete opposite happened, okay, depending on when exactly you look, gold went down, and gold is far less than that today. So gold is definitely not the answer. Now, mostly people consider that to be the ultimate hedge against inflation, but it's not. It's not a good deal because it doesn't align your interest as an investor with the most powerful entities the human race has ever known, and those are the US Government and every other government engaged in the same scam. And the United States Central bank known as the Federal Reserve, which is just about as federal as Federal Express. Okay, it's, in other words, not a government institution, as some still believe. Although none of you believe that, I'm sure, because you're listening to the show and you know better. And we want to align our interests with every other major central bank, too. All of these entities are far more powerful than the gold market. Okay? So I want to align my interests with them, and so should you as an investor. And that's exactly what we teach. That's a big part of our methodology here on the show and at our live events, like the one coming up in Phoenix that you need to attend on September 10th and 11th. Go to jasonartman.com to register for that. It's going to be an awesome event. And it's almost, almost sold out, so be sure you join us. So what are the seven things you could buy for a buck? Well, you could buy four gallons of gas. You could buy a pound of coffee. You could buy four books. Can you imagine buying four books that are. Yes. New for a dollar, for 25 cents each. Yeah, for a buck, you could buy four books. Amazing. Nowadays a book is basically, you know, if it's a hardcover book, it's about $25, right. Somewhere around there, a new release book. Okay, you could buy two movie tickets. So the movie that's now 11 or $12 today was 50 cents back then. In fact, the. There's this swanky, yes, swanky movie theater here in Scottsdale, in North Scottsdale. It's called Ipick, you know, one of those swanky theaters, they're getting more popular now where they serve you food at your seat and drinks and all that stuff. Well, just the movie tickets alone. When my friend Anya and I went and saw a movie not too long ago, the movie tickets alone, I think they were $26 apiece. Oh, my God. But there's no inflation, right? And then you're gonna spend another several bucks at least, equal to your ticket price on food and drink. You know, if you, if you order anything there. Right. Unbelievable. You could buy for a dollar, one week worth of subway fares. Yes, a dime. Got you a ride on the New York City subway back then. You could buy. Now here's a bad one. Boy, talk about a habit. Nobody should engage in smoking. Absolutely disgusting. Absolutely terrible. You're, you know, you're just. If you smoke, you're literally just committing suicide. They should call the police because police will try and come and stop you from committing suicide. Right. You know, if you're smoking, that's just, that's just suicide, basically. But nonetheless, we're talking about economics and inflation here, so get back on track. Jason. A half a dozen packs of cigarettes. Can you believe it? A pack of cigarettes back then cost, wait for it, 15 cents. Or with your dollar. You could buy a ticket to a Major League all star baseball game. Major League Baseball all star game at Chicago's Cominske park for a dollar. Oh yeah, there's no inflation. I'm not going to align my interest with the inflationary concept of investing the inflation induced debt destruction ideology. That thesis that Jason Hartman has been sharing with me on all these episodes. No, don't do that. No, you absolutely should do that because you know what the odds are that the powers that be, the most powerful entities the human race has ever known and probably ever will know. Well, maybe that's debatable. We don't know what the future will hold. But these entities want inflation. So you better be hedging at least a decent sized part of your investment portfolio on the side of inflation. Now remember, if inflation doesn't happen, our favorite asset class, income property, the most historically proven asset class in the world, still performs pretty well under deflation and stagnation scenarios. Admittedly, we will have to see there might be something that performs better. But it's not too bad. If, even if this inflation doesn't come, it's not bad because if it's deflation or stagnation, guess what's gonna get you Yield. It's a yield market in that world. That's income property. And we've got some great income properties you can check out@jasonhartman.com so check that out, Jason hartman.com and click on the properties page and check out the yield on some of those properties. Your ROI director. Yes, Return on Investment Director. That's me. Self titled and self proclaimed. Yes, that is my recommendation. Go to jasonartman.com, click on properties and check it out. And now let's get to our 10th show episode. By the way, while you're there, register to join us in Phoenix on September 10th and 11th in the events section. And now let's get to our 10th show guest today. And then in two more days we'll be back with a flashback Friday episode. And Monday and Wednesday of next week we're gonna have all new episodes. I think we'll get Harry Dent on. We've got the Congressional dish. Oh, that was a good show. Maybe we'll run those two next week. I don't know. We'll see. Stay tuned for that. But let's get to our 10th episode and talk about the shift method. It's my pleasure to welcome Beverly Flaxington to the show. She is the human behavior coach. She's co founder and principal at the Collaborative, a practice management and business development consultant. Best selling author of several books including Understanding other the five secrets to human behavior and make your shift the five most successful moves you can make to get from where you are to where you want to go. She's an adjunct professor of leadership and social responsibility at Suffolk University, and it is a pleasure to have her join us today. Bev, welcome. How are you?
I'm doing great, Jason. Thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, it's good to have you. You do some great work. And gosh, with eight different books, I'm not exactly sure what we should focus on today. But I just thought I'd ask you for. For kind of a backdrop on, you know, your general model of being more effective at understanding people, you know, and of course, this relates to salespeople. It relates to people that want to be effective in any area of their lives because, you know, life. Life is about relationships, of course.
You know, I have traveled a very interesting journey, Jason, to get to this point, because my entire professional career has actually been in the financial services space. I had a large corporate job, several large, large corporate jobs working in organizations. Many of my clients are there. But along the way I always had this interest about what it is that makes people tick. So I became actually certified as a hypnotherapist many, many, many years ago. And I always struggled to bridge that gap. I would never talk about my, you know, my hypnosis, my interest in human behavior when I was sitting with the CEO of a large financial services firm. And nor would I talk about my knowledge in the corporate are with, you know, at the annual hypnosis convention. And so it's really only been in about the last seven and eight to eight years where I've been able to see, my goodness, these are all pieces of the same puzzle. And that there's a way to draw upon all of these experiences to be able to develop tools to help people succeed.
Yeah, there sure are. And you know, as soon as you talk about hypnosis, the corporate people would probably say, oh, that's hokey. And then when you talk to the hypnosis people, you talk about the corporate world, they say, oh, those greedy people, you know, or something. It's funny how that you sort of bridged an interesting gap there, an interesting divide. I'd say, you know, what are some of the key things? You know, it's interesting that you talk about these, the five things, you know, five secrets to human behavior. Five most powerful. Is five your favorite number?
You know, five is not my favorite number, but There is a lot of research that shows that we really can only understand up to seven pieces of information at one time. And so what I've managed to do with all of my different approaches is to try to organize it in a way that's a logical flow for people, or that I call it chunking, Jason, that, you know, it's a lot of information and understanding people, My goodness, there's so many different aspects. So what I've tried to do is take all of my learnings and then chunk it into individual components. And what I found is that, you know, there's five, and so you can understand what those are. My SHIFT model has five steps that someone can take. You know, I think what happens to people is we want to be able to make change. We want to be able to be different in relationship. We want to be able to be successful, but we just get overwhelmed by the amount of information that's out there and what we've learned and what we think we should do. So my goal is, how do I chunk it down and deliver it to people in a way that they say, okay, I can do that. And so five has worked out to be the place where I think people say, yeah, I can do that.
Okay, good. Well, we can do it. So take us through the five. And I assume each of these five in the different books are different, so whichever one you want to, want to take us through.
Well, let's talk about the SHIFT model in particular, because that's something that was an interesting evolution, Jason. I've worked, as I said, I've had so many people over the years, everybody from the hypnosis client that's come to me because they want to lose weight to the CEO of the largest financial services firms in the world who say, we want to be able to grow our business. And what I had found over and over again is that I would always go through a certain set of steps with people. And it was actually one of my clients at one of the largest mutual fund companies who said, would you create a model for us so that we can mimic what you do with us all the time? And so that's how SHIFT was born. Let's talk about the five steps, because I think it is something that your listeners can take away and they could start to work with right away. So it's an acronym, S, H, I F, T. So the first one is the S. Specify the desired outcome. Now, that one sounds so simple, Jason. Right? Like, we know where we want to go, we know what we're trying to accomplish. I want to make more money. I want to get the new job. But the reality is very few people take the time to actually write down very clearly what success looks like quantitatively and qualitatively. What would really make me happy be a success definition for me.
Okay, so help us with that. I mean, you know, I agree with you and Stephen Covey, in his books, he talked about how people climb the ladder of success, and then they reach the top and realize it's leaning against the wrong wall. You know, so that's important to define that success, but give us some pointers on it. I mean, what do we do?
Yes. So let's take something like looking for a new job. So, first of all, we have to recognize that for many people, we're more interested in what we call moving away from rather than moving toward. So we're unhappy with where we're sitting. And so what we want to do is we just want to get rid of whatever this is, but we're not sure where we're head next. The first thing is to make sure we're being careful about what is it that I want, not what is it that I don't want. So interesting. If you ask people, they can almost always tell you clearly what they don't want. When we talk about what we do want, this is where I call it creating the mosaic. This is where you want to think about all of the different components of where you're going. So if it's a job, I would want to look at everything from the kind of industry, the kind of role, the commute, the salary, the kind of working environment, the people I'd like to be working with, the type of role I'd like to be in vis a vis other roles in the company. So I really want to take the time, Jason, to really think about all of the components. Now, I may not get all of them, and that's where later in the model having criteria makes sense. But it does behoove me to think about all of these pieces. So I know what I'm aiming for.
For no question about it. And I think one of the reasons, Bev, that we're. We. We always seem to be more able to define what we don't want, and we protect what we have. You know, that throughout history, we lived in an environment of scarcity. And this is, you know, in recent decades, the first time where we've really lived in an environment of abundance. So moving toward is. It's. I don't think we're programmed that way. That's not how we evolved. We evolved by conserving, by staying away from danger, by avoiding problems, by, you know, avoiding the saber toothed tiger. You know, that's just part of us, isn't it? It's, it's hard to overcome that natural tendency.
It is. And that's why I think, though, for so many people. And you know, Covey's illustration is such a nice one. But, you know, people work hard to get somewhere and then realize it's not where they want to be. So in my view, take a little bit of time and then we have to undo it, right? And then we've got to fix it and figure out what's next. So the first step really does require me to be a little bit thoughtful, Jason. I find this with even people that we'll work with, they may come call us in and say, you know, we need you to do some work with our employees. Okay, well, what does success look like to you? And they'll look at us blankly. They haven't really thought about, well, what will happen as a result of this work being done? What will be different here? What will, how will they know that this has been successful? So I think that art of stepping back and just asking yourself, what do I really want? What does success look like to me? Just that process can be really helpful of vetting that out.
Yeah, sure can. Okay, next step, we move on to.
H. This is one of my favorites. I call this highlight the obstacles and categorize them. You know, if you think about most of our goal approaches, we are told, be positive, stay motivated, just believe you can do it, work towards it, etc. Etc. The reality of life is that there are obstacles in the way. So I think it's healthier for us to take a few minutes to say what's standing in my way and catalog those things. Why haven't I got to that desired outcome before? What's been the problem? But then we have to categorize them, Jason, because we, we don't want to get bogged down and stuck on all the reasons why we're not where we want to be. So we want to categorize them. What can we control, what can we influence and what's out of our control. And I think that's a very important step because as I make my plans, I want to be focusing on the things I can control and the things I can influence and turn my attention away for those things that I can't control.
Okay, all right, so that one seems like it won't be too terribly hard to Implement, you know, the prayer of St. Francis, you know, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can. Oh, how does it go anyway? We all know what it is. You know, the wisdom to know the difference. That's what's important. Okay, what's the next step?
The I identify the human factor. So you think about every change, effort, Jason, what's in the middle of it? It's usually me, but we don't take the time to really look, you know, what are my strengths? Where are the areas that hold me back? This is another opportunity to catalog what am I made up of? What do I excel at? What do I like, what do I want to do? So it gives me a little bit of time to learn a little bit more about myself. But then the other piece of the human factor is stakeholders. I like to tell a story that illustrates this about a hypnosis client that I had, and she was trying to lose some weight. And so we were going through all of the steps and there's things we do at the subconscious level and then at the conscious level. And she was doing well for a while, and all of a sudden she turned this corner and she just started to backtrack. And so when I explored it with her, I found out that her husband had started to bring her home candy and take her out to dinner and all of these things that were making losing weight very difficult. Well, to make a long story short, what we uncovered is that she hadn't shared with him that she was embarking on this effort. And so he started to get nervous. Why is my wife losing the weight looking so good? You know, I need to really show her how much she means to me. And it's such a perfect example of.
The state is the thing. He got worried about that, oh, she's on the market again.
Yes. Is she trying to leave me? And of course, it wasn't that at all. But that's a great example of the stakeholders. There's people who have a stake. They care about what we're doing. We really need to understand who they are and then figure out how do we take them into account in our change efforts.
Okay, all right, good.
So f. The f. Find the alternative. So here's what happens all the time. And Jason, you mentioned I'm a college professor, so I teach a course on leadership and social responsibility. We have not for profit, socially responsible groups come in and they speak to the students and they give them a challenge and the knee jerk reaction of every student that I have. And I think all of us as Human beings is hear the challenge and fix the problem. But this is why I think you can't get to finding your alternatives until you've specified your desired outcome. Know what your obstacles are and catalog them and understand your human factor. And so only then can I start to think about what options do I have. And this could be. Be personal brainstorming, this could be bouncing ideas off people. But it's really important to get some criteria, organize those criteria by priorities, and then start to look at what are the different options. There's more than one way to get to that desired outcome that I stated.
Yeah, there certainly are. Okay. All right, so we've got the final step here, and that is the T to cap it off.
Take the disciplined action. So I would ask your listeners and you to think about the number of times throughout your life you've had a great conversation with someone, you're motivated, or you've been in a meeting, and lots of wonderful things are talked about, and then absolutely nothing happens because we tend not to make the step by step specific plans that we need to make to take that disciplined action. And so this means that I sit down, you know, I like to tell the story. When I wrote my first book, Understanding Other People, I run a very busy consulting business. I'm an adjunct professor. I have three children. I do a lot of volunteer work, I travel for my job, several pets at my home. And so the idea of writing a book, how could I even think about doing that? So the step by step, take, disciplined action is writing down all the components of what it takes to write a book book. And then every day, being able to make some progress towards it. Find an editor, get somebody who's a graphic designer, write the outline, write a few pages. So this is where we can break down what we need to do, Jason, into those step by step pieces, be really clear who, what, when, so that we can start to make that progress. Because otherwise a lot of times we'll put it to the side because it's just too daunting for us.
Yeah, so just that. That simple daily grind type stuff that we've all got to do to make the rubber meet the road, Right?
Exactly. But we don't often chunk it down into, you know, small enough pieces. Like, I like to do an exercise with people with the to do lists that we all love to make. You know, if you look at any one to do, oftentimes inside of it is 12 or 13 or 15 to DOS.
Isn't that for sure? Sure, yeah.
Break it down, you know, make it manageable so you can make some progress every single day.
You know what I find? And I'm surprised, Bev, that it took me this long to learn this. You know, I find that it's helpful to, instead of making a to do list, to just put things on your calendar, put those to do's on your calendar. Instead of having this list, just schedule things, you know. Thoughts on that?
Absolutely. So there's a little trick that I tell all of the executives that I coach who will say, you know, and rightly so, they're overwhelmed. There's so much to do. So first thing really is also to take that list and reorganize it by priorities and every day pick out what would be the top three things today that if I made progress on them, they would be the biggest gains for me. So because what we'll tend to do is we'll either take the easiest thing or we'll take it in the order we've written them down. So we want to look at those top three priorities and then I want to figure out what steps I need to take and absolutely move those steps into my calendar so that they're there and I've reserved the time for them. And so even if I don't do it at 10 o' clock on Thursday when I planned it, I will tend to do it because it was there on my calendar and I'll move it to another spot and get it done. So, yes, you're definitely onto something. But I think that prioritization people will tell me sometimes I that simple exercise was life changing for them.
Yeah, no question about it. Any big secrets that you want to share as far as secrets to human behavior as we wrap up, Bev?
You know, just that I think it's something, Jason, that we think it comes naturally. Right. I mean, you think about anybody out there who's got children, they learn to walk naturally and talk naturally. And so we do have this missing perception that communication and understanding what makes somebody else tick and how we can interact with them just comes naturally. And that's absolutely not the case. And we're not taught a lot of the ways to read people, to communicate well with people, and quite frankly to figure out for ourselves what's going to make us most successful. So it is a journey for all of us. And I would just encourage your listeners to get interested, I call it becoming a detective and just watching yourself, learning and watching others and learning from them, because we're not given a lot of this on a platter. It's something that we have to work really hard to figure out.
Yeah, we sure do. We sure do. Give out your website and tell people where they can find out more.
Sure. It's the hyphen collaborative dot com. It's the name of the firm with a hyphen. Www.the collaborative dot com. Lots of great, great free information there. Lots of information about all the books. It's a great resource place.
Just a final question for you, Bev, which is sort of to sum it all up. I mean, if you had to do this in an elevator pitch, you know, just. You got 30 seconds. What, what would you say that, you know, is the. Is the basic fundamental idea which people can use to get from where they are to where they want to be in life, Personally, professionally, whatever category they.
Want, know clearly where it is that you're going and have a clear plan for getting there. And those components we talked about are critical pieces that happen in the middle. But the first step is really to know clearly what is it that's going to be successful for you and then to work diligently towards that.
You know, that's a good way to put it. And it just reminds me of that, that famous quote, the unexamined life is not worth living.
Yes.
Doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You just gotta know and define it and get specific on things, and then all of the little how to's will come, won't they?
Absolutely. And it's why so many of those wonderful quotes and things that you brought out for illustrations, you know, make sense. And I think our mind grabs onto them because we recognize it and they exist in for a reason. But I do think a lot of people need a little bit of that roadmap, you know, just that path forward. What are those steps I need to take so that they can start to see that they're making their own progress.
And then when they make some. When they feel that progress, they feel good about it and they want to continue the journey.
Yes, absolutely. It's like a healthy drug. You get it and you really want to get more of it.
Right. You get some good feedback along the way. Well, good stuff. Beverly Flaxington, thank you so much for joining us.
Oh, I appreciated being here, Jason. And I do hope that we've inspired some folks out there.
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