HI 171: Active Duty, Passive Income with Markian Sich

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Welcome to the Heroic Investing Show, a podcast for first responders, members of the military, veterans and anyone looking to improve their financial future and gain some freedom with their time. We teach America's heroes how how to build passive income, build their startup business and safely grow wealth through real estate and other alternative investments. We help current and prior first responders put protections, systems and a team in place to help them build a life where they can focus on their passion, that service or product that they are uniquely gifted to share with others, making the world a better place for all of us. My name is Gary Pinkerton and I co host this show with Jason Hartman. This is episode 171. Today we have with us Markian Sitch. Markian is CEO and founder of Active Duty Passive Income. He's a third generation Ukrainian immigrant and he's an Active duty Marine Corps CH53 Super Stallion pilot. At an early age he learned about the opportunities our great country provides its citizens from the good examples set by his parents and grandparents, also Ukrainian and American citizens. Because of Markin's incessant thirst for travel, he met his wife Katya in Milan, Italy while on leave after graduating from the U.S. naval Academy. This is also when he started to get an itch for business. In addition to serving in the military, Marquion started to pursue real estate investing as a method of securing his financial future. In 2017 he bought a turnkey single family property. After that he purchased a 50 unit apartment complex and has many many more great things in store. As you will hear on this episode, this is my second attempt at this. I ended up corrupting the first file and Marquion was an awesome gentleman and agreed to come back on for yet another session. And I'm glad he did because this one's much better. Stationed at MCAS Miramar, San Diego, his success and inherent feeling to teach it Barney style as he puts it, inspired him to help members in the military learn about the benefits of real estate investing. This is when the Military Real Estate Investing Academy and Community Active Duty Passive Income or ADPI was born. Everyone. Welcome Markian Sich. Hey Heroic Investing listeners, thanks so much. Welcome back. As I mentioned in the introduction, we have the distinct pleasure of having a Marine officer with us here, and a Naval Academy graduate can't get much better than that. Marquion, thank you so much for joining us here on the Heroic Investing show.

Oh, my gosh, it is a absolute pleasure. I'm super pumped to get into some real estate talk.

Yeah. So I guarantee you I did not do your background justice in the introduction. Please tell everyone kind of how you ended up the Naval Academy, what you've done since you left there, and how you ended up at active duty, passive income.

Oh, yeah.

So let me just dive in a little bit of background, too.

Before even the Naval Academy.

What I attribute my whole real estate.

Stuff to is the fact that I had an interesting background and I saw.

A whole other part of the world. I'm a third generation Ukrainian immigrant that actually was born and grew up in.

Ukraine, which is kind of serendipitously because my parents, they grew up in the States, but they moved there from my dad's job. He was a nuclear engineer at MIT and worked at Chernobyl and stuff like that.

So for me, I grew up in.

A world where I saw a completely different lifestyle, I saw a completely different way of life and people there.

I remember my best friend, his mom.

Would make $100 a month. And so when I finally moved back to the States, I repatriated, so to speak. I was 15 and a half.

I went to high school.

And I think what was planted inside me is I wanted to figure out what made America tick, right? How come America's so amazing? Because for me, visiting my grandparents every summer in the States was like, all.

I could think about is Nickelodeon roller.

Coasters, big buildings, awesome houses, and that.

Just wasn't a thing in Ukraine. And so I kind of accidentally stumbled into the Naval Academy because my dad challenged me. He's like, oh, yeah, you can apply there.

You probably won't get in, but whatever. And I was like, all right, well.

I'm gonna do it now. He knew me very well, and he.

Knew if he just needed to, like, kind of give me a little challenge there, that I would end up doing it. Ended up going to the Naval Academy was the hardest thing at first I.

Ever did because I didn't even know.

The difference between officer and enlisted.

I had no idea what the military.

Was because I only popped into the United States when I was 15 and a half, and it just wasn't on my radar. But it ended up being the best decision I ever made. I made the best friends, had the best, best experiences, and ended up commissioning as a Marine Corps officer with a pilot contract. Went down to Pensacola. At this time, I was dating my now wife while she was. She's also Ukrainian, while she was studying winemaking in France. And what ended up happening was I.

Wanted to visit her at every opportunity.

Which wasn't often because I was at flight school.

And I realized, like, you know, as a second lieutenant, I'm still not making.

That much money, especially if I want to travel and have a good time in Europe.

Like, it's not exactly a cheap thing to do. And so I started thinking of all these ways to save money and, like, nickel here, a dollar there. And then she was like, can I just make more money? So I started, like, getting into this entrepreneurial bug, and I was like, I want to figure out what makes America tick. How do people become wealthy in this country? I don't want to worry about finances.

Ever again in my life.

And I got into some crazy stuff trying to build some apps, and I realized, well, that's not sustainable in the military. You know, some of my friends, they were trying to do it was. They were going on deployments, I was.

Starting advanced training, all this kind of stuff. And I.

At that point, I started. I think I was just googling passive income or something, and I stumbled across two individuals, Robert Kiyosaki and Tim Ferriss. They just completely changed my life.

You know, like, Robert Kiyosaki, red rich dad, poor dad.

I couldn't even think straight.

I was, like, sitting in the car, and I think I was, like, driving up to North Carolina for the fleet replenishment squadron, and I was just like, oh, my gosh, my life has changed forever. And then I listened to Tim Ferriss, and I was like, this just confirms everything.

I should be building streams of income and not just saving money away. I was like, if I all of a sudden had an extra $500 every month, that could pay for, like, plane.

Tickets to go see my wife, you know, every couple of months, like, I.

Was like, that's all I need. You know, as I was thinking and it started making sense. I was like, I just substitute expenses with another stream of income, or I just build tons of streams of income and have them snowball each other and just grow. And I was like, holy cow.

Real estate is the solution for military.

Real estate investing is the way you can without killing yourself while still focusing on your duty to your country and being a good officer, enlisted person, and just, you know, Doing your job well, when you're going from duty station to duty station, you can invest in real estate kind of on the side, have maybe your spouse or some friends help you out, partner with a couple of other guys. You can become very, very successful and probably a lot more. A lot more comfortable of a pension in retirement than you would be able.

To generate with the standard pension of 20 years if you did it right. So that's kind of the synopsis of how my mindset and a little bit of my story there.

I really appreciate your explaining your naivety. When you went to the Naval Academy, it brought back a couple great stories, just great memories, I guess, really, I was as a plebe, as you remember, right? And many other people out there will try to paint a picture. You have these plebe rates. So you gotta learn these things as a plebe. And it's really just about seeing what you're made of and seeing how hard you can work and, you know, mental stress and things like that. But some of it has usefulness, like learning the ships in the Navy. And I can remember at one point just doing tons of push ups because I wasn't getting these right. Like day after day after day, I wasn't getting these ship classes, right? And my main problem was that in my mind, I had crossed up the Iowa class and the Ohio class. And the Iowa class was not around when you were there, markion. But they had brought them back out of mothballs. It was a battleship in the massive Iowa class. Battleship, right. And the Ohio class is a submarine. I kept mixing these two up because I came from the Midwest. And I was like, what's the difference? They're close enough. Like Iowa, Ohio, whatever, you know, they must be similar. They're like states right next to each other. And so this guy, I can remember this guy, like, just stop. And he's like, all right. I'm just dripping with sweat, right? And he's like, all right, listen, what rock did you come out from under, man? It's like, like, you. I knew nothing. And then I also remember I'm getting ready to stand watch the first time. And so I can remember asking this prior enlisted guy who had come from Naval academy prep school, who understood everything, like, he's helping me get my uniform ready to go on watch. And I remember just going, all right. He's giving me all these pointers. I'm like, yeah, but I still don't understand. He's like, well, what don't you understand? I'm like, what are we Watching. I'm like, what do I have to watch? Like, like what am I staring at? And so for those of you that are not in the military, it's like the gate guard, right? Like that's standing watch. That's what we call it. I was like, I was caught on that word, you know, so how crazy naive we come to that place or any, you know, any other place. So I'm sure the firefighters out there, the police academy, I'm sure you guys can relate to some silliness. So that was a lot of fun. I appreciated you doing that and that you thought Nickelodeon was the epitome of America.

Well, yeah, when I was 10 years.

Old, we just binged on cartoons when we got here. Here. It's funny, there were certain cartoons that they would translate in Ukraine. I would wake up early just to get a one or one or two of those a week or something.

But I mean, like, it's funny because.

That, that seems like a small thing.

But America is a phenomenal country and.

If you live here, you might not realize the little things sometimes.

And me living in Ukraine, those little things were huge. Like, I mean, not even kidding.

Our grandparents would send us like boxes full of care packages.

Really?

It was like, it's like popcorn, peanut butter, Gatorade mix, you know, like, and we were just.

Oh, and syrup. You know, we would freak out. We were like, this is the best thing ever.

But anyway, yeah, yeah, so I had.

An, I had an interesting kind of.

Background, so to speak. And I actually grew up speaking both languages. Like I very, very closely tied still with my heritage in that aspect of.

When was the last time you've been back there?

So I actually went back there in September of 2018.

Yeah, I go there at least once a year to visit family, friends and stuff like that. Especially now that my wife is. She's from Ukraine as well. Her family's still there.

She's actually there with my one year old son right now visiting grandparents. So.

Yeah.

Nice. Awesome. So you're a rock star helicopter pilot for the marine Corps. So uh, two. Is that, is that right?

So I was a CH53 Echo pilot.

Oh, you're 53. Okay. Yeah, big boy. Yeah. So if you, if you ever wonder how you move, you know, tanks and around in the military, Mark Ellen comes and picks it up.

Yeah, it was like A to B.

Pick things up, put them back down.

Very large things. Yeah, yeah.

That being said, I'm actually in the.

Middle of a big transition. So I actually, after a year and a half being in the fleet, I decided I wanted to do something else and I'm either going to be, it.

Looks like the odds are intelligence or something like that. I don't know. There's a couple of options out there. You know, I still have at least three years in the military, maybe more. I don't know. It's one of those awkward things like.

Sometimes you set out on a certain mos and you realize it's not your thing and that's just part of the Marine, that's part of the military, I guess.

I mean it's part of life. I mean everyone out there in the real world is doing it too. So.

Yeah, so.

But yeah, part of finding yourself as you mature. And I think even if you find it at one age, it'll change when you get older. So it's part of life. So it's. That's awesome. And so I'm sure you're going to enjoy it. Along the way, obviously you got real excited about real estate and you started an incredible company with or website, education source, mentoring site, lots of things. And we talked, we heard a little bit about this with Tim Kelly and we have probably two or three more of your partners coming on here soon. We've got Mike Foster coming up real shortly. Tell everybody about adpi.

Active Duty Passive income is what ADPI stands for.

And it was initially just a play on words that I thought was really cool.

I was like, I can teach people.

Some of the crazy finance things that I do. Anything from like saving credit card points.

To getting into this real estate stuff.

To you know, maybe marketing, because I was getting into that too with the whole online world.

But eventually it just honed in on real estate specifically. It also was just a way that.

I, that I figured I could document what it is that I was doing in real estate. And I made a lot of mistakes. I brought my parents in into the mix. After a bunch of failed attempts, I finally got a rental property in Georgia. And then after like many failed multifamily attempts, me and my family finally closed on a 56 unit apartment building in Indiana that we're partnering on now. Then about a primary residence now I'm looking at. We actually just submitted an LOI on 129 units. So I'm trying to get another 200 units at least this year and then just scale from there.

So as I was going through the military and I read those books and I started doing this stuff, I was like, I want to teach other people. It's not a place that I felt like I could call home and then also learn about some of the key veteran benefits. Right? And just blending the two together, like where does the VA loan come into play? It seems like an amazing tool, but how can I use that to grow my wealth and then leverage that wealth.

That I create into cash flowing rental properties?

Is there a perfect way to do that? Is there a strategy that I can, is there a community that does this? And there wasn't, at least at the time. So I just started writing about it. I wrote an ebook called Military House Hacking a year and a half ago and it was basically a manifesto to all the things I wish I would have done because I started learning about all these, you know, the VA loan, FHA loan, some of the other military benefits, and then rental properties and out of state rental properties. And I was like, you know what, there's a way to do this.

And I saw what some of my.

Friends were doing and how they were house hacking. Basically the art of buying a primary residence and minimizing or completely wiping out the cost of living in it by doing certain creative things like maybe renting out one room for Airbnb or your flight school buddies, renting out two of the other bedrooms in your three bedroom, two bath in Pensacola and then doing that at every duty station. And if you're married and you don't want to have people in the house, maybe get a duplex, triplex, fourplex, you know, that's all available with our VA loan, basically, then you have other tenants that are probably going to cover your entire mortgage if you do it smart.

If you do the analysis right.

And then you can do that every year. And then you order just at every duty station and it's like this insane snowball can start happening. And after 20 years, I mean, yeah, we're going to have some market corrections, but just hold on to them, they're going to appreciate if you bought them in good markets, you were smart, you bought right. They're probably going to be making you cash flow and then you can eventually refinance some of the equity, buy rental properties that are in better markets maybe than you were even stationed in that are cash flowing even better. And it just becomes this amazing, beautiful generational wealth machine.

So that's where house hacking kind of was. The genesis was like, hey, I want.

To write about what I wish I.

Would have done from day one, what I've seen other people do.

And eventually now it's a full blown.

Published book on Amazon where I've collected.

Some of the best stories and we've really refined the strategy and it's kind of like positioned as our go to epiphany book.

Like, just like rich dad, poor dad caused a real estate epiphany for me.

This is kind of geared on a simpler level, focusing mostly on the VA loan and house hacking and military, you.

Know, that's, that's the idea.

Yeah. And it's absolutely my number one recommendation. Not just for military members, for anyone who's young, before they're married or even if they are married, you know, is, does your community support duplexes, triplexes, multifamily in an area where you would like to live? I mean, some, some cities don't. Right. But if your area does and you can put a primary residence loan on the thing and have everybody else pay your rent, you can save faster, you can learn how what being a landlord's like, you know, you can take baby steps and learn all of those aspects and you'll be better owner when you go and pick up managers to handle bigger properties. Right. But then on the military, it's just raised to an entirely higher level when you can get VA loan access and get those benefits as well. So go get Marc Jan's book and he's got. I'll let you tell him specifically how to do that along the way. While you're waiting on that, go back and look at some previous episodes. I had Brandon on Good friend of mine, F18 pilot, and then Clayton and they both talked quite a bit about. He's also an F18 pilot. They both talked about the benefits of VA loans. And so we dug way deep into those a while back last year. Probably not as deep as your book, but man, house hacking, really, really important.

Absolutely. Yeah.

So anybody, if you're listening to this podcast, you just want to get the.

Book for absolutely free. Just no spaces. The two words house hacking with no space in between. Text that to 345345. You'll get the book for free and read up on it, share it all you want.

It's really just a learning tool for everybody.

So tell me then now, what does ADPI look like? Like you guys are doing incredible stuff.

We were like, alright, so this is the CornerStone, right? The VA loan and real estate investing.

So how can we expand that? And so we started growing our community. We have a very, very active Facebook group just called Active Duty Passive Income Facebook Group. You can look it up. You can actually like just go to militaryrealestateinvesting.com and it'll take you to that Facebook group and we started building a.

Social network too because eventually we want.

To have our own Facebook, so to speak. And we're just growing. It's like, it's awesome.

And you see people coming in and they're having these. It's almost like you can see within the posts where they start learning something.

And then the next post they're like, aha, it makes sense now. Or this is what I can do for me and for my family.

And then we're like. And now we have real estate investments.

That we're working on with certain key.

Partners that we trust. So we work with a couple of turnkey providers, you know, specifically right now storehouse 310 and bridge properties. They're awesome. And we have such amazing relationships with.

Nathan Brooks and Stu Grazer.

And we kind of help mentor our members to get these turnkey properties. Because right now, I'll tell you, I am. There's so many different ways to do real estate and no way is the best way for everybody. Like everybody has their own thing that probably fits their life best. But we really think that a lot of times for military, just getting a turnkey solution, something that's a little bit more passive, where it's literally an expert took a property in some of the best cash flowing markets in the country, gutted it, renovated it, and then put in a tenant, has property management ready to go and you just buy this packaged up deal. Yeah, you're paying a little bit of a premium, but you're doing it especially if you do it with us. You have an entire support system. We know that company, the whole process. We kind of have all the steps taken care of. We have guys closing on these from Bagram, from Italy, from Japan. When the whole thing is dialed in and you have a community surrounding that you can be going jumping from duty station, duty station. If you have an extra down payment in your savings account or stock market, hey, why not throw it into one of these? It's better than doing nothing and waiting for that perfect rehab project, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I get it. Like getting your own rehab property, it's probably a better deal. But I mean it's a lot of work and it's not always possible, especially if you're on deployment. We really believe that this is a pretty unique solution for military specifically.

If they're kind of wary about getting.

In without knowing what they're doing, they want to have a community surrounding that.

Process and if they want it to be a little bit more passive. So that's one of the Things we're doing right now is just helping people out with that.

And then it's just all the mentorship.

And the coaching and the community around that.

We have like a whole course, too. Forgot to mention that we literally. I spent like six months with Mike.

Foster just building out this course where it's just like the military Real Estate Investing Academy is what it's called. It's just a roadmap, like from understanding.

The facts about real estate and getting excited to how to find properties, to how to finance properties. What are the legal and insurance aspects behind it?

I'm not a legal advisor, but we kind of go over our experiences.

We're just trying to literally create the military real estate community. That's what we want to be.

It's fun.

Well, so I've bought all. My wife sue and I have bought all of our properties as turnkey properties. And some of them been brand new, some of them were rehabbed. I completely am a big time believer in what you're talking about and people on bigger pockets that say, oh, I can make so much money, you're leaving so much on the table. They don't value time and what they have is a job. And that might be what people actually want, but that's not where I felt my highest and best use was and it's not what inspired me. So, yeah, I bought all mine turnkey like that. And we have 30 doors, 20 properties. We bought them over eight years. So, I mean, we didn't go in and buy them all at once. We, you know, you can if you want, if you have the cash flow to do that, you know, and I've funded them with down payments against life insurance, which we've talked about, and that, you know, just optimized it a little bit. But the bottom line was that it enabled me to get into the game when I didn't have the time to do it. And so let's say that you decide that you're going to make more money. You're going to make $30,000 a piece on your rental properties, which is tough to do, by the way, when you're going to rehab a property and make 30 grand after paying hard money, you know, loans over additional expenses and stuff. But let's say you do it and you do four of those a year. Well, you've got a job. That's your probably only thing in life you're doing. If you're pulling that off and you're making 120,000, that's your job. And that's not a Bad income. But that is your full time job. You know, if you get offered leaving the military or leaving your, you know, your firefighting job, if you get offered 150,000 somewhere else, then turnkey makes a whole lot of a sense. Would you agree, Mark Yan?

Yeah, I couldn't have said it better about the whole time aspect. I think I've heard, I believe it.

Was Mike Michalowicz, the guy who wrote.

Profit first and Clockwork. He was talking about how you really, you really have to dial into what is your time worth to you. And we have a whole other aspect as we have our military service. And so like, how do you balance that? And sometimes just the most optimal solution is just slow, steady and passive growth with these turnkey properties and having professional property management handle all the day to day for you to where, you know, once a month you manage the managers, you manage the bookkeeping, or you have your spouse help you out with that and you keep rolling. Yeah, it's, it's phenomenal. And not to mention, like, I think here's another aspect of real estate that I think is often overlooked is the tax benefits, which is really what kind of like clued me into getting really excited about it.

Yeah.

And we just had Tom Wheelerite on our podcast. It's like he absolutely just blew our minds with some of the new bonus depreciation stuff.

He's awesome. Yeah, amazing.

One of the things that you can do and this is ideal, right, for military, I think, I think we can all agree that it's often difficult for the spouse to hold a 9 to 5 job. Sometimes unless you're a traveling nurse or you work from home and you're one of those lucky few that has a.

Stable job that allows you to work from home.

It's not always easy to maintain a job, especially if your partner's moving around all the country or the world. And so if, if you become a real estate professional, if the spouse becomes a real estate professional, which is not, it's not a license, it's not a designation, all it means is you hit a couple of IRS wickets, you, you spent 750 hours a year on real estate.

Like, you know, you're managing your managers.

Like, what is that, two hours a day or something?

On work days, you're researching properties, you're doing some light bookkeeping here and there and you're maybe educating yourself.

You tally all that up and that's it. You can then, I mean, there's a.

Couple of more nuances. I'm not going to get into but.

It'S really not that hard to claim that my mom does it for my dad and her. What happens is if, if. If one of the members in the family, like the husband or wife can claim that, it then claims for both of them and then their. Their household filing jointly, income becomes. The passive deductions become unlimited. I'm not a tax advisor. I might not be saying this perfectly, but right now, with real estate, if it's turnkey and it's cash flow that you're banking on, it's called passive income.

Right.

Active income is if, like, if you do a flip, you had to work.

To get that real estate income, that $30,000, a flip like you were talking about.

That's great.

And now you'll be deducting, like, active deductions against that active income.

But if you're making cash flow, it's a different pot of money. And so you can do passive deductions against it. So when your house is depreciating, it deducts against that cash flow, but you're capped at 25,000. So when you're like, you has, you know, 20 properties, 20 doors, or whatever.

It was you were saying.

Right.

Like. Or you're saying 30 doors, 20 properties, right?

Yeah, yeah. So you're probably making more than 25,000 with those. If you or your spouse are a real estate professional, then that 25,000 limit goes away. And now you can depreciate. You can deduct an unlimited amount. Those properties will probably wipe away with their depreciation all the income they brought into you. So you're effectively not paying any taxes. And that actually will then be able to deduct against active income as well. So again, I'm not a tax professional, but this is an amazing strategy for a military family, you know, to really accelerate their wealth.

Yeah. So one of the things I would say is it's real. There are some, certainly some. You'd want to study it, right? There's definitely some. This is the most audited thing for individual tax returns out there because it is so powerful.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, becoming a real estate professional means that you can offset your earned income with depreciation, phantom paper deductions from your rental properties. And it's super, super powerful. It's probably not something you can do by doing a turnkey. And frankly, and having managers take care of everything for you, maybe that's when you really do want to buy a property or, you know, rent out half your house and actually spend time painting and dealing with tenants. And that Kind of stuff. You don't have to. But if you're specifically just, you know, doing the turnkey model, it might be tough to do unless you have as many, you know, as we do. But if you have apartment buildings, it's very, very easy, I think, to do that. And Marquiana, it was perfect. You don't have to have a license. You don't have to be a real estate professional or anything like that. I mean, excuse me, a realtor, or actually be in the industry. You can qualify for this. In fact, they need you to have at least 500 hours on your own property. So it's about yours, not about, you know, somebody else's properties. That's pretty awesome. We're kind of coming to the end. It's been 30 minutes. I don't know if you've been watching that, but it's been an amazing time. Can you give the listeners how to reach out to you Markdown, Reach out to the team and just a brief thing about your courses real quick.

The best way to reach out to us just looking us up on Facebook, just type in the search bar. Active Duty Passive Income. Our website, active duty passiveincome.com, all of our team's contact info is on our website.

We have a little chat box if.

You want to ask us about, you know, our courses and our programs. Like literally, we just love jumping on calls, doing zoom video conferences with all of our guys and gals and helping them really just get their first investment closed, honestly. Because. Because that first investment is what will.

Really launch get you going.

Yeah.

And so, so it just. Our website has all of our links and socials.

You heard how to get the house hacking book. And our courses are geared towards that like passive income mindset, buy and hold strategy of buying rental properties in the duty stations you're at and turnkey properties it surrounds mostly that if anybody has any questions, literally they could just reach out to me on the website. I'll probably be the one responding in the chat box because we just, we love doing all this stuff and talking to people.

So that's awesome. I will confirm that these guys are awesome and on their feedback. And they are. They're full of gratitude when it comes to helping other people out. And I just signed up for the book. I got it. I'm getting paperback. So it works. Folks, don't forget. 345345. House hacking. All right, so thanks so much, Marc, Jan, I can't wait to get the rest of team on. I'm halfway there.

Awesome.

I can't wait to take care of you.

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