HS 168 - Sequester and Gun Laws with Major General Jerry Curry

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It's my pleasure to welcome Major General Jerry Curry to the show. He is a statesman, a courageous soldier, a diplomat and a government leader and a consultant nowadays to the auto industry. And it's great to have him on the show. Jerry, welcome. How are you?

Thank you. And I'm delighted to be with you.

So you're coming to us from back east. Are you in Washington by any chance?

I'm on a hilltop in northern Virginia and I overlook the bull run battlefield.

Ah, well, you've got a lot of history there, that's for sure. Well, talk to us a little bit about your experience and your background. I know you served under George Bush Sr. I believe it Was. And there's a great picture of you with Ronald Reagan on your website as well.

Well, I was. I was with George Bush Sr. Of course, and I was under him. I was the administrator of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is in charge of national safety. Seat belts, for example, that sort of. I'm the guy who made everybody wear a seat belt.

Well, it seemed like such a hassle at first, but now it's just normal. I would never get in a car without wearing a seatbelt nowadays. It just wouldn't feel right.

I think it is across the board. Before that, by the way, before my. My time there in that agency, I was the acting press secretary to Secretary of Defense Weinberger.

Casper Weinberger.

Casper Weinberger. He, of course, came from California with Reagan. And so I acted as his press secretary for about six or seven months until they could find a civilian, which they finally did and brought in. And then before that, I was the Deputy Secretary of Defense for Public affairs under the Carter administration. How that happened is a long story.

Boy, that's quite a mix there.

Yeah, we don't have time to go through that one.

It sure is. It sure is. Well, hey, I wanted to talk to you about some of the issues facing the country nowadays. We are in a time of great change. I feel a lot of it is definitely for the worse. But maybe let's talk about gun control and gun safety first and get your thoughts on those issues that are so present in the media now.

Well, let me approach it from this standpoint. The gun safety problem, it's not an assault rifle problem. It's not the size of a gun clip problem. The problem is that violence has become a societal, a cultural problem for the nation at large. And once human life in America was safeguarded at all levels. In the home, in the community, at the national level. But 40 years ago, we had something that changed all of that. And what changed all of that was Roe v. Wade. Because under Roe v. Wade, the taking of human life became routine. It became casual, became commonplace.

The Supreme Court of the United States willed it that way. They ruled that way. They decided that way. And that day, murder became matter of fact. And we said, a woman has a right to take the life of her unborn child because that unborn child is part of her. And she has the right to dispose of her property in any way she wants to. That sounds like the old Dred Scott decision in the Civil War. Property, you own it if it's a slave. If it's an unborn baby, do what you want. With it, it's yours. You can do. Well, since then, we've had something discovered called DNA. And DNA says the baby, unborn baby, is not part of the mother and will not be part of the mother and cannot be considered part of the mother. So at that time, that knocks all the legal pins out from under the legs.

Meaning that. Meaning that the DNA of the child is different from that of the mother.

The DNA of the child is different from that of the mother, making it a distinction person, a distinct person, and it is not part of the woman under any condition. And so once that happened, then that knocked everything out from under the. That supported the Supreme Court decision.

And when, when did we, DNA, did that come about? In the late 70s. I mean, the, the whole. I mean, you know, we've solved so many crimes with DNA profiling nowadays and also let some innocent people go because of it. So it's certainly a great innovation. But when, when did the whole DN come up to where we could test it and understand it?

I'm not sure. Roe v. Wade came up in 73, and my guess would be about 10 years later, probably in the early middle 80s.

Now, that's a pretty, you know, I've got to say that that's a pretty interesting connection that you make. I would go to the video games and the movies and the television for the violence and the cultural issue there more than I would go to Roe v. Wade.

Yeah, I can understand that. I go to Roe v. Wade because what Roe v. Wade does is the Supreme Court, through that decision, has legalized murder. That is, if you kill an unborn baby, you're killing a cockroach. You're a piece of property. That's all that is. And you need not be concerned about it. Well, DNA says wrong. You're killing a human being, an actual living, breathing human being. And you cannot do that unless you understand, really, that this is not just taking care of your property, buying, selling, disposing of property. You're buying, selling, disposing of a human life.

Okay, yeah, that's an interesting connection. I know that the culture of violence and the culture of not respecting life is certainly a part of it, but I wouldn't necessarily make that connection. I would go to the media, which is just appalling. It's amazing, because when you look at the liberal left, want to control the guns, that's. That's their big thing. I think Piers Morgan has gone out of his mind, frankly, on cnn. But they don't, they don't want to control any of the Stuff their, their Hollywood buddies do, their campaign supporters. With all of the really appalling violence you see in, in the news media and movies, especially video games too. Yeah, very interesting. Now, one would argue that we are where we are, okay? So, you know, we have this culture of death, we have this lack of respect for human life, we have the violence in the media. In other words, the cat is out of the bag, if you will. Could repealing Roe v. Wade really make that much of a difference? I mean, when it comes to mass shootings? It's interesting that in the book, I believe it's in Freakonomics, they actually argue that crime has declined because abortion became legal. So it's kind of an opposite argument. I just thought of that.

Yeah. Well, if you can, you know, if you, if you can give 55 million lives and it doesn't bother you, it's not a problem, not considered violent. Consider the 55 million, you know, dead babies that are no longer human beings here walking on the earth. That's okay. Nothing wrong with that. And it's only a few, only 55 million after all.

Right, Right. It's more than any war, that's for sure. I just want make sure we touch on one more thing. I don't want to forget it, but make your point. You know, I want to touch on the original genesis of Planned Parenthood and that organization as a racist organization. So maybe we can touch on that as well. I'm not sure if you're even aware of this thinking, but there are many videos on the Internet about it that are, that are pretty fascinating, you know, and you notice that these abortion clinics are in low income minority areas more often than not. Pretty interesting connections I've seen made there as well. But go ahead with your point and then we'll get to that.

Well, let's just stay here because they all ties together to be this business, you know, that you have Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood deliberately set up their clinics in black areas like Detroit, for example.

Detroit's a city that's falling apart day by every day. A brick crumbles and falls to the street in Detroit. But they put it in Detroit and they put it in all sorts of black neighborhoods. It's something like, something like I don't have the exact number, but it's something like close to between 70 and 80% of all abortion clinics are in minority neighborhoods. And these neighborhoods don't really understand that they're being preyed upon. And the doctors who do these procedures are making lots and lots and lots of Money. They are getting rich over killing black babies. And the black parents are saying, isn't this nice? Or non parents, I guess saying, isn't this nice? We can get rid of this unwanted baby. This is just. This is absolute murder. That's what we're doing. We're killing children and we're killing them. And then saying, it's convenient. It's convenient, and it makes the doctor rich.

So let's talk a little bit more about gun control. You know, that's definitely an interesting point, and I agree. I mean, you know, Planned Parenthood, I think, is a bit of a conspiracy against minority races. I mean, look at, look at their marketing. Look at where they are. It's pretty easy to make that connection, really. And I would encourage anyone listening go check out the videos about this on YouTube and you'll hear the founder of Planned Parenthood talking. It's pretty amazing. Really. Really is. But let's talk about where we are now, if we could, with. With this gun control issue. It looks like Dianne Feinstein, at least for now, has been put at bay in California with her ridiculousness. Is there any part of the push for more gun control that you agree with or none at all?

None at all. I really don't agree with it. I think the whole idea is stupid. But we have a tendency in the United States to take things that are very important and to relegate them to the ridiculous.

Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting with your experience in transportation, I mean, Piers Morgan on CNN has made this his cause celeb, this whole gun control issue. And where is his outrage against highway accidents, against medical malpractice, against drunk drivers? All of these things kill many more people than guns. And they don't even make the news anymore. It's unbelievable.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. They don't make the news and they do kill. You know, we're talking unbelievable numbers of people who are being killed each year. Each year through, well, car accidents, for example, we lose. Between 40 and 50,000Americans a year are killed on our highways. Compared to gun control, I think that murders with guns. I'm not sure the exact number, but it's something like 12 and a half. That is 12,500 a year.

Yeah. And if you, if you near. I didn't even know. I didn't know it was nearly that high, actually. But if you take it down to assault weapons used in gun crimes, it's like 300. I mean, in a country of 300, what, 10 million people? This is nothing. It's not even Statistically significant at all.

No assault weapons.

It's something everybody points to. That's meaningless, absolutely meaningless compared to the other violence, the other crimes, the other deaths from rifles, for example, or knives or whatever it is. It really doesn't have any meaning. And as you know, or. Assault rifles are not assault rifles.

Yeah, they're not. They just look like military rifles. They don't do, in most cases, anything more than a hunting rifle does.

Yeah, it's all the same. 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.

Right.

Yeah.

It's amazing. They just want to ban them because of how they look, basically, you know, and these little features that are almost insignificant. Maybe they're totally insignificant. Let's talk about the sequester a little bit and the economy and the offshoring of jobs. It seems like there's this been this almost like concerted effort to move jobs offshore through these free trade agreements, which in concept seem like a good deal. Certainly consumers benefit from lower prices, but jobs are just leaving America en masse. And it really seems like it's a planned, I hate to use the word conspiracy of the globalists to do this to weaken America and make it very difficult for the middle class. We just see the middle class diminishing in the country.

The middle class is. They are. What you're saying is they're being taken advantage of. We started doing this years and years ago, but you're absolutely correct. The jobs are going offshore. And those jobs that we. Well, for example, look at the oil pipeline right now. There's a perfect example of where you can bring the jobs back to America.

You're talking about the Keystone pipeline.

Right, the Keystone pipeline. You can't get the President to go. To go along with bringing an industry to life in the United States that would bring American workers back and pay them very high wages. You would think he would be screaming for this. In fact, you would think every time he gives a speech, he would be saying, drill, drill, drill. That's where the money is. That's where the families are. They can buy cars, they can buy houses. They can live like Americans used to live. But that's not what's going on.

No, it's not. It's not what's going on at all. I mean, it's really so hypocritical when you look at the cry of the environmental movement, because all they're doing is offshoring the pollution. And they ought to take it from one of their own, John F. Kennedy, who said, we all breathe the same air. I mean, the pollution In China, the workshop of the world now, where all the American jobs have gone, or many of them is, is. It's disgusting. It's just offshoring the pollution to Brazil, to China and other countries. And as if it doesn't. It's not the same Earth as if it's another planet.

You're absolutely correct, and I love, I never heard that, that offshore pollution. I mean the offshoring of pollution. But you're absolutely right. It's exactly where we are. It is the same Earth, it is the same air. And the Chinese and the Indians, for example, are going at this gangbusters boy, they are polluting everything they can pollute. Not that they want to pollute. That's not what it is. They can make money for their populations and they can put their people to work. They can employ them. And they're smart enough to know you got to, you could take all the pollution that man creates in the world. I'm not sure it's anywhere near the amount of pollution made by two or three volcanoes.

Well, what's interesting about it too is that.

If we onshored our manufacturing again, we would control the pollution better here. We would be much more responsible about it than they are in these developing countries. So it's just totally hypocritical. It makes no sense. I mean, no rational person can argue that globalization is better in terms of the environment. It's not by any means. But the question is, how would you do that? I mean, certainly build the Keystone Pipeline. That would be nice, I agree. But when you look at really bringing a manufacturing base back to America, it seems that it would have to be. You just shut down the free trade agreements, you impose tariffs, and then all of the prices American consumers experience will be higher. This whole globalization move really seems to be a way to deny the impact of all the money creation. What they're doing is they're importing deflation while massively inflating everywhere else in the economy. So they, they, they won't close the border to the south so we can have the illegal aliens come up from Mexico and take American jobs and cheapen the cost of labor here. And then they do it with the trade agreements with China, for example, where we're getting all of this stuff at incredibly low prices. And what that's really doing is it's hiding the reality of inflation. If the trade was done the way it was done years ago and a lot of that manufacturing came back, unemployment would decline here. But we would really see the impact of all of this government Spending that has just run amok, and all of this money creation that has just come out of thin air. I mean, since Obama was elected, just to the end of his first term, I mean, 5 trillion new dollars out of, out of poof, out of thin air. Nowhere just came into existence.

Yeah, you know, you have to start somewhere. And the thing that you get out of drilling for oil and drilling for natural gas, the Keystone pipeline and all that's a beginning. It's a small beginning, but that will expand exponentially across all of our industry. You can see what it's done for North Dakota, South Dakota, for example, what it's starting to do for Colorado. You got to start somewhere. And the idea that you could come up with some plan and implement it, I don't think will work. I think that the thing you have to do is you have to go where you can go and make progress. Where you can make. You can make progress at the Keystone pipeline right now, and we should go for that. And I would drill everywhere in the United States that we could do that. If we could make the United States the energy capital of the world, then that's what we should be.

Well, we're pretty close to that. It's very possible. It's just the political will to do it.

And that's what we're missing. We're missing the political will to do these kinds of things. And this is what we really need to do. And for example, one of the things we don't have is the political will to close the border or to control the border.

Yeah, right. We want to control the guns, but not the border. Interesting.

Yeah, we want to control the guns. Don't want to control the border. But controlling the border is not the problem everybody thinks it is. For example, I think it was. I may be off a year or so, but it was about summer of 1961 in West Berlin, and all of Berlin people went. Went to bed, and it was a wide open city and you do whatever you wanted to do and back and.

Forth, and it was closed up in a weekend.

Yeah, they did it overnight. Overnight, the Russians and the East Germans put in 96 miles of concertina wire border. Overnight they did it. And the next day we had the beginning of the Berlin Wall sitting out there. That's the sort of thing you have to do. And the way you do it, you know, is not the way that we're doing it in our southern border. The President of the United States need only call in the Secretary of Defense, look him in the eye and say, listen this is a matter of national security. This is a matter of national defense. I want you to control the border completely and I'd like you to do it in 60 days. You have many questions. When I was there, Reagan did that with Weinberger, for example. And Weinberger would, would look at Reagan and he would say, no, sir, 60 days, fine, I'll take care of it. And off he would go. And guess What? In about 45 days, the border would be secured, it would be under control, and he would report to the President. Mr. President, the border is now under control. Reagan would say, thank you very much, I appreciate that. And that's the sort of thing that we need. We need that kind of decision making. We need that kind of willpower and that kind of determination to solve every one of these problems one piece at a time.

Yeah, you're definitely right about that. It's easy to do. After 9, 11, we had the chance to finally control the border and it was completely ignored. Frankly, it's just, it makes no sense. This makes no logical sense except to say that there is some greater power outside of our own establishment, politically, that is really running the world. Because all of these moves are just to weaken America. Weaken America, Weaken America. It's pretty mind boggling what's going on. I want to get your thoughts on something that really, really has me concerned. And I was concerned about it right away last year when Obama signed the bill and made it law. And it seems that nobody talked about it, but now people are starting to talk about it, and that is the issue of using drone aircraft in American airspace. This concerns me. I mean, it really does. It concerns me from a privacy standpoint and it concerns me from a First Amendment standpoint, a freedom to assemble standpoint. I don't know how accurate this is, but I hear that these drone planes are being equipped for riot control and crowd control. And.

It seems like this could be a checkmate in a lot of ways. This is why we have a Constitution saying that the military cannot be used on American soil. Yet. I mean, you're a military guy. What are your thoughts about this? Seems like we're moving in that direction.

Oh, we clearly are moving in that direction. I think the Department of Homeland Security and the President want, they want to control the American population. That's what this is all about. That's what the gun business is about. It's controlled control, control, control. We are going to control the guns because if we control the guns, the Second Amendment, the population won't have guns if they don't have Guns, they can't defend themselves. They can't violently protest anything that we do. And we in the government know what we're doing. And we are running the country and we are running the world. And everybody better get out of our way because we're the bosses. We're the people in charge. That is where they're going. This idea of having drones, those drones are not for good purposes. And if you turn them loose without any control, which is what they really are going to end up. We're going to end up with drones everywhere, run by all little departments of government, with some bureaucrat somewhere checking on whether or not I smoke camels, for example. Do they still make camels? Boy, it's been a long time.

Yeah, I bet they probably do.

Something else. Well, hey, give out your website, Jerry, and tell people where they can learn more about you.

My website is Curry for America. That's one word. Curry is C U R R Y. Curry for America. You'll find out. You'll find all sorts of things about me that you don't even want to find out. But.

There are all sorts of things. And as was just mentioned at the beginning of the program, there is a delightful picture of me and President Reagan in the Oval Office sitting down, chatting about something or other. I'm not sure exactly what it was. I have spent quite a bit of time in and out of the White House. In fact, can I tell a little short story?

Sure.

My dear wife was just a wonderful. She's dead now, but she was a wonderful woman. And she was of Walter Reed Army Hospital. She got X rayed. She got several other things. And they injected this dye in her blood. And then, you know, you follow it as it moves through the body. And so after the procedure was over, she was supposed to go down and have lunch at the White House.

With Barbara Bush. So off she goes down to the White House and checks herself in at the west entrance, I think it is. It used to be. Anyway, takes herself in, and as she comes in, the radiation that's in her veins sets off the alarm system.

Yeah, that's funny.

And, you know, it sets off the alarm system for atomic particles. Atomic attack.

She shut down the entire White House. The Secret Service came out, blocked everything. The cars came from nowhere with the sirens. And finally, finally, after she explained what had happened and they took her back and did something or other, they finally said, okay, you can come in. But she's probably one of the few people who can say that they honestly shut down the White House.

That's a Great story. That's a great story. No question about it. Well, hey, Major General Jerry Curry, thank you so much for joining us today and appreciate your thoughts on these issues.

My pleasure. And thank you very much.

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