HS 251 - Understand the Truth About Climate Change with Brian Sussman

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It's my pleasure to welcome Brian Sussman to the show. He is an award winning scientist, science reporter and meteorologist. He's a talk radio host, creator of the new documentary It's Easy Being Green when you have no Choice, Sustainable Development and the End of History. And he's the author of Echo how the Left Screen Agenda Will Dismantle America and Climategate. A veteran meteorologist exposes the global warming scam. Brian, welcome. How are you?

Jason, great to be with you and your audience. Thanks for the opportunity.

It's good to have you. You know, this topic is so controversial. It's like discussing religion. I mean, it's ridiculous. Some of the debates that I've had and I've seen people have on this issue and by the way, you know, on your website, I guess you're challenging Al Gore to a debate. I'm wondering, did he ever respond?

No, I've actually the URL debatemeal gore.com actually directs back to some of websites and he's never taken me up on the opportunity. It's interesting to his credit, he's never blocked me from being a Twitter follower, so that's kind of interesting. But he's never debated me.

People like Al Gore, they like friendly.

Media and they have plenty of that at their disposal.

What's the debate here? Is global warming happening? I mean, they conveniently changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change, as if the climate's never changed.

You know, there have been many books written about the topic, obviously, you've certainly discussed this a lot and you've got a great reputation as being a very reasonable guy when it comes to your arguments. I wrote the book Climategate, as you mentioned, which, and there again, I'm just one of many voices. But Climategate, I'm told, was a significant voice in making sure that Nancy Pelosi's cap and trade bill didn't pass in 2010. And Nancy Pelosi, of course, is my congresswoman.

You're in San Francisco, right?

I'm in San Francisco. Eco Tyranny then came about in 2012. And my goal with eco tyranny was to just show the whole agenda. So we've talked about global warming, and I really tried to dismiss that as a myth. And climate change, as you noted, they've conveniently changed the name from global warming to climate change because they haven't seen a lot of global warming. And I'm Talking about since 1850, the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. One thing I really find interesting, Jason, is since 1850, beginning of the Industrial Revolution, and really of a period that lasted hundreds of years called the Little Ice Age, the temperature of the Earth has only, and this is not disputed even by those like Al Gore, the temperature of the Earth has only warmed 7 degrees Celsius since 1850, now the hottest decade on record. And again, this is. You can't dispute this either. Al Gore would have a tough time with this one. The hottest decade on record was the 1930s. 88% of the warming that's been experienced on this planet since we came out of the Little ice age in 1850. 88% of the warming occurred before 1940. There's been absolutely no warming for about the last 18 years. The temperature has been flat. But what they're doing, and we talk about this in the film, it's easy being green when you have no choice. They're manipulating the data to make it apparently read. So, I mean, the broader question, Jason, is why are they doing this? And that's what we really get into in this film.

It's been said that green trees have red roots. Tell us about the Soviet Union and the Green movement.

This is what I learned in Eco Tyranny. By the way, the director and producer of this film is a guy named Frank Pinsky. And Frank's a delightful guy from New Jersey. He contacted me out here on the Left coast and said, hey, would you be my narrator? And I said, listen, take. Take whatever you want from my books. I'm all for you. Hey, I'll be your narrator. I don't want a dime for that. I just want to help you and your efforts. So Frank and I both, Frank found some jaw droppers for the film. But what I learned in my book, Eco Tyranny, as I was researching, if you go back to, well, Vladimir Lenin. Vladimir Lenin was a disciple of Karl Marx. I Mean, this guy, you know, learned at the feet of Marx. He ate up everything Marx ever wrote and was just a voracious student of Marx. Vladimir Lenin was the original Green Goblin. I mean, this guy, he wrote books called On Land and On Forest, and he talked about the minerals and he talked about the natural resources. And he believed that no person had the right to own anything that had to do with our land, our water, our natural resources, etc. He was an environmentalist. Environmentalist before there were any environmentalists. He thought, Jason, that mankind was an invasive species. So he wrote all these detailed, detailed papers. It's as if now the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Fish and Wildlife.

All of our organizations having to do with land and environment here in the United States as well as the United Nations. It's as if they looked at everything that he wrote, and I believe they did. And they're now trying to implement that here in the United States and all over the world. They're marching right from his playbook.

I don't know why this is such a left right debate in the first place, really. I mean, you know, the Environmental Protection Agency, the epa, the biggest of all environmental agencies, was set up by a Republican, Nixon. I mean, you know, why would Nixon want that if, you know, I mean, what's both sides of it? You know, just dissect that one real quickly, if you would.

Nixon was, you know, like many Republicans, he was a guy that didn't have a problem with big government.

He was a guy that thought, you know, big government works if we can manage it properly. And in setting up the Environmental Protection Agency, he was doing two things. One, of course, this was the early 70s. You had the whole hippie movement, which really had a powerful voice. So it was anti Vietnam, anti the establishment, anti the man. Don't trust the government. So on the one hand, this was an appeasement to these people who were really starting to see the whole going back to nature movement as being something that was very real to them. So it was an olive branch to the peaceniks and the hippies, etc. But at the same time, it was a way to make the government a little bigger and perhaps he thought more efficient as well. Did he know what was going to end up happening with the Environmental Protection Agency? At the end of the day, I'm not so sure. But keep in mind, this was also at a time when we were just about to have the first earth day in 1970. So there was a lot of stuff going on that had to do with the environment And I think it was Nixon's way of becoming a more popular president. And certainly that was very important to him.

Go on with what you were saying though. The Soviet Union and this stuff. I don't know if you finished that thought.

Yeah, so Vladimir Lenin, I mean, listen, his papers, and I've read them, were very well written and his arguments, you know, very, very, very, very powerful in that we are the humans are the invasive species. Humans left to their own devices are going to ruin the earth. Humans left to their own devices will kill one another. Thus let's implement what Mark wanted, a heavy handed form of government with lots of regulation so we can keep control of the people and so we can maintain control of the natural resources.

Yeah, so let me just make a comment about that. I mean, certainly if anybody has rented a car before or rented anything, they will agree that the way to get someone to take care of something is to have them own it. Because people always want to take care of their own property more than they want to take care of, you know, common property or public property. Were the socialists and the communists environmentalists or I mean it was, it had to be strictly a way of control. It couldn't have been for the environment because, I mean, I remember years ago picking up a Greenpeace magazine after the Soviet Union fell and you know, looking at all of the incredible environmental destruction in the Soviet Union. I mean, they're the worst environmental stewards of all, or at least they were under the prior system.

Lenin didn't have an opportunity to implement what he so desired. But what's really at the heart of this? And this is what we try to do in the film. And by the way, it's easy to look at a trailer or even purchase the film just by going to greenflick.com but beyond that. So in this film we really show that the socialists, the communists, the elitists, the one worlders, the people who really have a utopian plan for this planet, they see the environment as being their best shot to essentially scare people and into a plan whereby they can roll out a redistributive model that will bring socialism to the world. And there's one jaw dropper that Frank found in this film that I found fascinating. And it's Mikhail Gorbachev. So this is after the fall of the Soviet Union, it's in the early 90s, and he says, I won't read you the whole quote, Jason, but just one sentence from it. In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the Idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and natural processes. So Gorbachev, you just mentioned the red green analogy. Gorbachev, when the Soviet Union fell, immediately he became this rabid environmentalist. In fact, he set up shop here in San Francisco. Nancy Pelosi gave him a beautiful piece of property that used to be former military land overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge. That's where he established his green cross. So he sees this environmental movement as being his best shot at again spreading socialism, or in his particular case, communism to the world because he hasn't changed his stripes at all.

They're just hypocritical in so many ways, you know.

Yeah, it's true. They are hypocrites. But again, you know, you look at, and this is something we do in the film, and I certainly did in my books, when you look at Karl Marx and just read his laws of matter, which really founded the basis for all he believes Marx thought in these laws of matter. If I could sum it up, he would say this people are fools. Some people are born with better brains than others. Those with the better brains, like me, Marx would say, have some kind of metaphysical right or responsibility to rule those with the lesser brain, because those with the lesser brain, when left to themselves, will kill one another and destroy the planet. So this is really where you see these elitists going. These are the people who look down upon the rest of us as just sort of being fools that need to be minded with heavy controls. And I believe that's where this whole thing is going. And it's really not about global warming. Something else we talk about, Jason, in this film to make the point that it's not really about the science. There's something being taught in our schools and at research centers all over the world called post normal science. In other words, we don't need the scientific method any longer. If we just test our theories in a computer model, that's as good as the real world. And so that's what they're doing to come up with all of these crazy theories that they're treating as if they're law.

Post normal. Where do they get a name like that?

Yeah, that's interesting because we've all heard of postmodern and they're very proud of this post normal science, and they have no problem with it. And you could see how it's easily adaptable to, for example, the younger generation. And I love what's happening in the world of Technology. You know, living here in the Silicon Valley, I love how the younger people are so adept with technology. It's wonderful. But at the same time, people are living inside their computer.

Facebook, there's more to the world than computer screens.

Yes, but a lot of people are living inside their computer and the computer screens and the computer games that they're playing, et cetera, et cetera. So now they go to college and they're learning about programming, and there's this virtual world inside a computer, and they can manipulate it and have fun with it. So when it comes to the atmosphere, for example, you know, does it really matter about what the temperature is? Really reading around the world, I've got this computer model, and it's pretty slick, and it tells me if we increase carbon dioxide by this much, this is going to happen. I like this model.

Well, there are so many questions as to whether the temperature really is rising. For example, it's where they take the temperature. A lot of these weather stations in these cities, and, you know, they're surrounded by concrete, and concrete just absorbs and reflects heat. I mean, it just keeps it so long. I remember one summer a few years back, I was in Romania, I was in Bucharest, and I couldn't believe it. It's like it never got cool because at night, all that concrete, it's just a concrete jungle. That, that's what the residents explained to me. It just, it just, it just kept the heat, you know, and when it's a less developed area and you, you, you, you put the weather station in a grassy knoll, so to speak, it just registers a cooler temperature. I mean, that's just one of so many factors that is going on. But, you know, one of the bigger questions I think, should people should be asking is let's assume they're right. Let's assume the left is right and that global warming really is happening. I think the next question any intellectually honest person has to ask is, is it bad? I mean, you know, you know, like, like, it means bad things to some and really good things to others. I mean, a lot of people in certain areas of the Earth would love to see temperatures rise. I mean, it would, it would create arable land. It would, it would. It would be a much easier way to live. It would increase fertility and crop turnouts. You know, I mean, is it bad?

Yeah, you, you answered the question very well. All of the research which suggests that a warmer climate would be beneficial to most people. You know, you just look here in the United States, as we're seeing for Example, the. Our lifespan increase in the United States. You can look at a lot of that perhaps having to do with the fact that people from the colder and more harsh climates are tending to now populate the southern United States and the southwestern United States. And those climates are allowing. You're seeing their ages increase as they move to these warmer climates. That's just one little example. But arable land is certainly a big factor. Increases in carbon dioxide, we know that's beneficial to life. And in that one, we all life depends upon carbon dioxide. But just look at our greenhouses. The greenhouses in the United States of America, for example, where we're growing so many wonderful things are all enhanced by an increase in CO2 to the tune of 3, 4, 5, 6 times the amounts normally found in the atmosphere. And there's been some great research, as I've discussed from the University of Michigan, just proving how CO2 is a stimulant to crop growth.

Of course it is. I mean, we were all taught that the plants breathe in CO2. I mean, don't the tree huggers love trees? Trees breathe CO2. Don't they want them to have their version of oxygen?

And look what's happened. CO2 has been demonized as a pollutant, when in fact it's a fertilizer.

I mean, that's one argument I've never understood. No global warming believer has ever been able to even explain it to me. You know, at first, when I didn't know a lot about the subject, I thought that they were all complaining and upset about carbon monoxide that comes out of your tailpipe. But what they're really concerned about is carbon dioxide that comes out of your mouth. Okay, so basically, the only logical conclusion is to reduce population. And if we're gonna reduce population, who gets to decide who gets to live and die or who gets to procreate and who doesn't? I suppose the elites do, right?

That is something we address. And it's easy being green when you have no choice. Because think about this. You now have a crop of kids coming out of college. They have been told that carbon dioxide is bad ever since they were in kindergarten. And now they're graduating from colleges and universities, and their thought is, well, if I get married, I think it's best that I don't have children. If I have children, I'll just have one. They're all concerned about their carbon footprint because it's been ingrained in them that the carbon footprint is bad to them. You started out the discussion talking about this being like religion to the younger generation, this has become their religion. They're void of a traditional religion in so many cases, but this is a wonderful religion with a system of works and a system of reward and a system of perceived benefits and a system of feeling good for doing what they consider to be the right thing. So this is religion for them.

The fact is, they all consume. I mean, I don't see any of them ending their own lives yet, really. Ultimately, I mean, it sounds terrible to say, but that's the only conclusion this stuff leads to is, you know, a dictator exterminating people. And I mean, you know, when, when are we going to start hearing. I mean, the world is so effed up nowadays and what is accepted as truth is so absurd that. I mean, this may sound like a nutty thing I'm about to say. I just want you to understand that. Okay? But there will be a day if we keep going down this direction where people the likes of Bin Laden and ISIS and the next crazy wacko that does a murder suicide is going to be revered as an environmental hero.

Yes, this is where it's going. And you can see how in the name it sounds like something out of Brave New World. There'll come a time if we just go down this road and look at one of the current discussions. The current discussions are you having the ability to end your life, you know, that right to die movement. So there could come a day in the United States of America that's red, white and green, where the patriotic thing to do on behalf of society, you know, the betterment of society, is to make sure that your carbon footprint does not last longer than is necessary. And at the appropriate time, you will take the correct pill and all of your family will be around you and you will say goodbye and it will be a celebration of life because you are doing the unselfish thing. I really believe.

Left unchecked, that's where we're going.

I mean, haven't they proven that this Malthusian stupidity is just an outmoded idea? You know, why is it that they all consider people to be this burden on poor Earth? Like we're just these evil people here to destroy the Earth. We're the ones that come up with the solutions too. Granted, we do create the problem first, but if we didn't do that, we wouldn't think of a solution or a reason to solve it. And guess what else, folks? All those solutions come from capitalists. They come from people who are those greedy, evil capitalists who want to earn a profit by Solving a problem. Imagine that.

And now you come full circle. I mean, you see that sustainable development, which is what we talk about, is nothing more than a tool inspired by these Marxist ideals to indoctrinate us to accept a highly controlled society in which everyone is monitored in the name of preserving the planet. Boom. There you go.

It's just a funny, disconcerting and really scary form of thinking. I mean, that's ultimately where it has to lead. You know, it really does. I mean, I mean, you know, they've revised history so many times now. Will, will they look back and say that, you know, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot. What about Che Guevara, their hero? Right? You know, will they say that they were environmental heroes?

Yeah. So you look at their, you won't even look at how many people were killed as a result of their ideology. You're going to look at how, you know, they were heroes of the environment and overall bettered this environment, natural resources preserved them all, species saved, et cetera. So again, this is the road we're going down and these are many of the topics that we really try to expound upon. And it's easy being green when you have no choice.

Yeah, yeah, give out the website again.

Yeah, I think the best way you can view a trailer as well. We've got many great experts who have weighed in on this with more degrees than thermometers in terms of their academic backgrounds. And then just a click to buy it via Amazon, just go ToGreen Flick Greenflick.com Jason, it's funny that you live.

In a place like San Francisco. I mean, is it possible for a guy like you to have any friends there?

You know, the neat thing is, I guess in any particular location there are some wonderful right minded individuals, but I gotta tell you, we are certainly in the minority. There's no question about that.

Well, I mean, the left is, isn't wrong on everything. You know, I, I like some leftist ideas actually, but you know, just this whole thing about restricting freedom and capitalism. And I mean what it does it ultimately it hurts the poor. All of these policies hurt the people they say they're going to help. They're pretending they're helping them. And I don't know if it's just unintended consequences or, or just, you know, planned, really just a conspiracy, you know, but all these policies ultimately hurt the people they say they're trying to help. That's who hurts the most. I mean, do you think Al Gore is hurt by any of these? Like say he didn't profit from the Environmental movement say he wasn't selling carbon credits and, you know, he wasn't selling his movie and his book and all this kind of stuff, and doing speeches for absurd speaking fees, traveling around on high carbon footprint, private jets, living in his Tennessee mansion. And I'm sure he has many other homes around the world, you know, with his $1,200 a month electric bill. Let's just say none of that. Just. Just the fact that you've got this situation where it doesn't hurt someone like him yet it hurts people in developing countries, it hurts the poor in America when, you know, they put a bunch of restrictions on everything and the price of gas goes up. I mean, that doesn't hurt people like.

Al Gore at all, see, and what they plan to do, and this is the whole model of sustainable development. You're right, ultimately it does hurt, especially those on the lower end. But their plan here is to.

Tax us to death with carbon credits and charge us with various fees, et cetera, so that we'll be able to pay for others. For example, electricity use, to subsidize their use of vehicles, which will ultimately be mass transit, to subsidize their housing, which is going to be demonstratively more expensive because of all the environmental regulations. When you just look at the city of Palo Alto, where Stanford's located here in the San Francisco Bay area, Palo Alto, before you even break ground on a house, the environmental fees that are paid to the city for your average 3,000 square foot house are going to run you about $60,000. That's money that just is given to the government for their various social programs.

I had Thomas Sewell on the show before. Thomas Soul, I guess is how you say it. You know, he was on the show and on that show, in my discussion with him, I actually coined the term so you can use it. Okay? I coined the term environmental racism because. Because what happens is all of these restrictions, like the $60,000 to start before you can do anything in terms of building a house in Palo Alto or all this dedicated open space, all that does is keep the poorer classes out. This has got to be intentional. Like, you know, I mean, isn't the point of, you know, when I lived in Newport beach, okay, you know, there's this big open beach area, it's called Crystal Cove, and it's dedicated environmental. No developer, God forbid, can ever build there. But isn't the whole point of this egalitarian movement is that you want to share everything and have everything be open to everybody? Well. Well, you don't see people who live in South Central LA being able to afford to live in any of these neighborhoods where the likes of Al Gore live. I mean, why don't, don't they want to share?

No, they don't want to share. They want to control. They don't want to share, they want to control. And that's where we are today, with an elitist class that says they care about the middle class when in fact they want to squeeze the middle class, create a one size fits all class with again, room for them at the very top.

There are so many hypocrisies and so many holes in the theories. It's just, it's just ridiculous. But hey, thank you so much for sharing this stuff with us today. Just any closing thought you want to give without me interrupting you.

Jason, Listen, I really appreciate guys like you and your voice and your quest for the truth. And we need to follow the truth wherever it leads. And, and again, just tagging on, you know what you said the very beginning, this is like religion. The two sides are so polarized. But I'm just hoping that as people do their own research with an open mind, they'll begin to see the truth in this particular case, and this is so important, it needs to be stopped because it will be the fundamental transformation of not just this country, but the world unless checked. And that's what we're hoping with this film, that it will be a source of inspiration and get people active to go out there and do something about it in their local community.

Yeah, good stuff. And I like what you said. Follow the truth wherever it leads, whether it agrees with what we're thinking and saying now or something in the future with new information. It's the truth is the truth. It's not a vote. You know, science is science, period. Brian Sussman, thank you so much for joining us.

Jason, all the best to you. Thank you very much.

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