HS 307 - FBF - Essential Guide to Handguns with Stephen Rementer

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It's my pleasure to welcome Stephen Rementer to the show. He is the author of the Essential Guide to Firearm Instruction for Personal Defense and Protection. Steven, welcome.

Thank you, Jason. It's a pleasure to be with you.

It's great to have you here today. Tell us a little bit about the inspiration behind the book and your background.

The inspiration behind the book was as a Philadelphia police officer some 30 years. I found it both my duty and with my ability, able to train civilians to be able to protect themselves in the world we live in today. Unfortunately, today, as most of us realize, society is changing dramatically around us with kidnappings in places like Arizona and so forth. So the whole idea was to get people comfortable with the idea of learning how to use a tool, be proficient at it, know how it works and why it works, and to keep as many people as I could a lot.

All of these crime statistics lately, Steven, are showing. And of course, I know these statistics are all manipulated and everything, and feel free to address that if you wish. But the overall word from our government, Big Brother here, is that crime is on the decline.

I don't think any Americans listening to your radio show would believe that, Jason. On a personal perspective, no figures lie and liars figure. That's always been a quote I've addressed in my life.

That's a good one. So you were a police officer and you're retired now, right?

That is correct.

And how long have you been retired?

I've been retired 10 years now.

And what did you see out there when you were, you know, a cop on the beat and you were experiencing people who couldn't defend themselves? I mean, what was going on from.

A personal view, As I moved through the police department, I eventually wound up in the stakeout unit, which commonly in California we call the SWAT team. As such, we went out as teams together, posting a man dressed as either an insurance salesman, any number of kind of different descriptions that would actually try to get robbed. Seeing that from that vantage point, you realize how many savages we had that we call human beings are out there waiting to take advantage of both the person who's either dressed like a woman or an insurance man, a businessman, and how fast that goes down and what they do to recruit and how brutal.

That attack can be and what they do to recruit. You said.

Yeah, very often people that see money flash, whether it be from a woman, insurance agent or whatever, will very often recruit from people around them on the streets. It's never a solo thing because these people aren't brave enough to attack Anybody on their own, even if they think it's an elderly man. So what they'll do is recruit from people walking around the same shoes as them, explain what the money issues are, and together more times than not, they will attack the person and rob them. So seeing it from that vantage point, you can see how society is weak and uncovered by police agencies. And the police can't be everywhere at one time. So that was the way Philadelphia used as well as New York and other cities to try to control that underground population of holdup men that would actually beat and rape and so forth, the civilians in our areas.

So what did they do to control them?

They put. We put six granny teams out at one time on the streets of Philadelphia in different area high crime areas of the city, trying to lure these people into robbing us as policemen. When you see that vantage point of and being policeman with a whole different area of training and being ready for this operation, how terrorized an actual civilian would be in the same situation.

It's pretty dangerous out there, no question. So your recommendation is that people have a concealed weapon on their person, Right? I mean, I mean, that's what you'd have to do in the situations you've described very strongly.

But they also have, in addition to that, the training deal with it. I'm not for civilians just arming themselves arbitrarily from the local gun store, going home and throwing the gun in the drawer or putting it in their pocket. And when something happens, hope for the best to happen to them. No, that's not the way it goes. By training and learning from professionals who have the ability and the expertise to be out there, I think that more often leads you to the correct way to respond and more often than not, leave the situation if you can, rather than engage in an actual confrontation.

So before we dip into the real nuts and bolts of gun safety, talk to us about some of the other options. And here when I'm saying this, I'm addressing like tasers, pepper spray, what do you think of that stuff?

I think they're good alternatives. I know that they're less lethal than any firearm would be. And to have alternatives in any situation would never be a bad idea. Tasers and so forth that shoot projectiles are very much illegal in most states in this country. There are other devices that can be handheld, as a woman will be crossing a parking lot to get from her workplace to her vehicle to go home, and just common transit. Pepper spray is also a good tool, but it's a very close end device. Both of those devices have to be used with very close proximity to the victim. That's the downside.

Yeah. And so. So guns give you a further distance away. Who shouldn't have a gun?

Someone who is mentally impaired. Someone who wants to be too much of a cowboy. When you hear voices saying to them, yeah, I just want to go out and draw and shoot somebody. The typical off the wall kind of person who's not responsible with any other thing in life. And everybody can judge. I call them bubbas. That's, brother, you better believe I'm an idiot. Because that's exactly what they are. They have no common sense. They think they're watching old TV movies of cowboys and combat shows. We both know that's not the reality of our soldiers in combat.

Good point. How does one prepare themselves for the responsibilities of having a firearm? I mean, it is a big responsibility, no question.

It's a very difficult moral responsibility. Each person has to decide for themselves. I don't think that learning about it and understanding it is a detriment to anyone. I think it's an alternative should your life be in jeopardy. And that's exactly what it's for at that point. And all laws that are. That are dedicated to the fact in this country pretty much outline it for you. Does it give you a tactical advantage? In some situations it would. It's all about training and constant practice. That's how they say you get to practice so well. And when you practice, you understand how it works, why it works, what situation you use it in, where you would never use it. Can't use a firearm to stop a kid from stealing a lawnmower out of your garage. Can't use a firearm for a kid stealing your car. It's only personal, volatile crimes. Rape, robbery, involuntary devious sexual intercourse, arson, endangering persons, homicides. Physical force has to be used against an individual. And they should be well aware of those facts before they ever purchase a gun.

You mentioned earlier that the police can't be everywhere all the time. And we obviously know that, and people need to be prepared to protect themselves. But I think that there's a new sort of pressure on our police forces, unfortunately. And the reason I think this is because I was talking to a retired police officer friend of mine recently, and he said that a lot of cops just don't like to make arrests anymore because there's so much liability. And I thought, what are you talking about? And he says, well, if you work in lapd, everything is scrutinized, and it is making it very Very difficult for police officers to do their job. And I'm not sure this is a conscious thing and I'm not saying anything bad about them, but I. Maybe it's sort of a self protection. He said like police aren't super excited about running to calls like they used to be and saving the day. He says they're, they're worried about that nowadays coming in on the commission of a crime if they can get there fast enough at all. Whereas before they really wanted to do that, they felt that that was their purpose. And nowadays they're just under a lot of scrutiny. And he said police officers are really getting discouraged nowadays. Is that true? Did you find that to be true?

Well, I think scrutiny is part of being a uniform officer. You just can't turn a loose record carte blanche. That's not going to work. Do we want to be out there saving the public? I don't know anybody that ever took this job that didn't have that in mind when they initially took it. You see the results of society when you got there. Yeah, everybody's got a video camera today, which often doesn't describe the total situation. I mean if you don't know the totality of circumstances, a little clip from a video camera doesn't tell you at all. And that's what the police get most disgusted with. Who are we trying to say that here? What are or do Gooders, the criminals? I mean they're the smallest minority on the planet Earth. Every genre they cross, they're still the smallest minority. They're the people who don't want to hurt society. We put them in prison. What do we do in prison when we give them weight? Sets, TV sets and let them practice their weightlifting techniques and learn from other criminals? I don't know. There's still a solution for it. But I understand the aggravation by most police today. It doesn't stop a good cop from still going out and doing his job. But they can't be everywhere. And you're probably right about statistically, yeah, they're not as anxious as they once were to get to a situation, unfortunately.

And that that is very unfortunate. And that makes it more and more necessary for people to really learn how to protect themselves properly and responsibly. What are some of the basic tactical self protection tools?

The basic ones are as you described earlier. I would tell them about products like pepper spray. I have a device that's called a knuckle blaster. You hold it in your hand like you protect your knuckles with it and it shoots 940,000 volts at somebody should touch you and it's fully directional for from there you go to a firearm. Now, I think not knowing how to use it and learn from proper people and you got to watch it out there. A lot of instructors that I've come in contact with is strictly about money. Get you in, get you out, make a fast buck. I don't operate like that here. I build friendships and not customers because as a cop you see too many people who have been attacked and for whatever reason, somebody's either run them down mentally, physically or whatever. Now you want to put them back on top and securing the fact that if they had to protect themselves, they possibly could. Is it the best case scenario? No. Are they going to become police officers because they get a gun? No. But the more they get trained and learn how to use it, the more proficient they will be. Because nobody trains the gangsters out here. I won't have them in my place. I push them. Other places I have a multiracial, multi ethnic range. All the gang members, Ku Klux Klan members, Neo Nazis, I ship somewhere else. I don't want them in my place because my concern is the populace around me. And it's just my way of giving back the things I've been taught and the money that civilians have dedicated to me as a cop over the years to get the training I got. So why not share it?

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so the knuckle blaster, that's interesting. I just looked that up online while you were mentioning it and that is called blast knuckles. Blast knuckles?

Yes. If you look that up on the Internet, you'll see it's a very good tool. And if you've ever been around somebody, it looks like brass knuckles almost, but it's rubber coated. If you've ever had a tool around your hand like that, no one can take it off. The adrenaline of you being involved in an altercation will keep that on your hand and allow you to use that to protect yourselves. I recommend it very highly.

Is something like that legal in every state? Like brass knuckles are illegal, right? Absolutely.

But as you look at that device, you'll understand the fact that it's totally coated with rubber. And this is strictly for people whose lives may be in jeopardy. This is not for the hoodlum that uses a taser to pacify somebody so they can do some other things to them. It's strictly for somebody was going across that dark parking lot at home and there's no security to escort your wife or your girlfriend to a vehicle. It's something she can have in her hand that is both non lethal and allows her the avenue to escape.

But you got to make direct contact with the person with that.

You have to touch them. Yes, but it's fully directional. It doesn't transfer to you either.

Right? Right.

There's the upside to that pepper spray. You got to be aware of the wind.

Don't do pepper spray up or downwind.

Oh, no. I've seen it clear out a few college campus lunchrooms in this area. Somebody thought it was a flashlight and they misused it.

So the basic tools are handgun, taser, knuckle blaster, pepper spray. What about those keychain sort of little mini batons or what are those called? Kubotas.

Yeah, I've seen them. They're pretty much used in the area of martial arts. Martial arts is a very slow learning process. It takes years to get good at it. And to buy a tool that you're going to use in martial art in a. In a tactical situation, as a novice, you might as well just give him a big hammer and say, hit me.

Makes sense. When we talk about handguns, how would someone choose the right gun?

When I wrote the book, we listed a lot of different firearms and so people can make assessments from reading about them. As you're well aware, the Internet is full of everything today. And sometimes it's jaded by both people who are trying to sell these things or push a certain object. I would say go with the classics. The name companies out there, Smith and Wesson, Beretta, Glock, Sig Sauer, hk. Ones that have been around for a while. Anything that's got a weird name like the pond around the corner. No, you don't want that for protection. It's not going to last. It's not going to get you out of a bad situation. More often than not, it fails very quickly. So you really have to research a little bit. That's what I do. To folks here. I don't want to sell them a gun because they come in today and they learned how to shoot. Make an informed decision. I've taught you how and why this thing works. Now go out and research. Make an informed decision. I don't need to sell you a gun here. I don't care about their money. But make informed decisions, whatever that be.

And whoever you buy it from, revolver or automatic.

I hear a lot of gun shops say revolvers are most dependable. That's. That was true years ago. It's not really a longer valid point because all the semi automatics produced today are just as reliable. But the bigger different point is it has more capacity. Anyone that's ever been in a fight with a firearm knows should the crap hit the fan. What you need more as ammunition, not a five shot little two inch revolver. And people choose those more often than not because they can conceal them easier. Today semi automatics have a lighter weight, a higher capacity and greater accuracy, but.

In California you're only going to get a 10 shot clip anyway.

Well, if you need more than 10 shots of stomp at somebody, Jason, you need an air strike, right?

Fair enough.

That's where proficiency comes in.

I just wanted to bring that up. So which semi automatic for someone who wants to get the concealed carry permit, or if in their state it's legal to carry concealed without a permit. What's the lightest, smallest semi automatic pistol that you'd recommend?

I should say that I recommend it depends on the usage. Now Jason, let's get this. To stop a human being who has the means, any ability to hurt you, you need 124 grains of bullet weight or higher, which means a 9 millimeter. 38, 40, 45 and above for pocket use. Today they have a lot of nice little firearms out, but you have to be really well experienced to use them. And my first illustration to you would be the Ruger lcp. It's a very well made, very accurate small gun you can put in your pocket and has an eight round capacity. And it's very lethal once one practices with it. For people that here, I never train them on small guns. I usually start with a glock semi automatic 9 millimeter pistol. Because what I'm trying to convey to people, you're going to learn on the same gun that the police are issued. Once you learn, you can understand and hold this and be accurate with it and understand its components, you can really easily move to a smaller gun. But they have to start somewhere first to build their confidence and their accuracy. And no components. I don't want somebody having a customer waiting area. We all know what they do there. They blow smoke up your butt and say it's raining outside. The less you have a customer waiting area, the more able that you're able to fix things and understand themselves. That reduces that dependence on somebody else to tell you how and why to do things.

The Ruger lcp, you're right, that is a tiny little gun. Is that a 9 millimeter? That little thing?

That's a 380. A 389 millimeter shorts, what it's called.

Throughout Europe Wow, that is a nice little gun. Where would you buy one of those? When I go to gun shops locally here, they have a pretty small selection. And I mean, can you buy guns online or is that not legal? I think that's illegal.

If you buy a gun online, you have to get a licensed federal firearms dealer to receive it from a licensed firearms dealer in that other state.

Ah, got it.

So if I was going to buy a gun from California, I would have to get a dealer out there. And one of my customers who lives here could purchase it there. He cannot touch it, play with it, feel it. It has to be shipped to the deal. Once I send my license to the California store, then he's got a place to ship it to. Otherwise a federal crime. You can't just buy it in California and transport it back here at the crime.

So the Ruger LCP have a second best recommendation.

The Walther PK380 is another very good gun. The difference between the two guns, since they're both 380s, the LCP is strictly a carry gun. It is not a gun you can practice with on a continuous basis without eventually damaging it if you shoot as much as other people do to practice. Whereas the Walther PK380 is strictly a target gun and defensive gun. So you could fire hundreds of rounds out of that and never damage it for your protection. Use tad bigger. It's got a very ergonomic grip to it. It's easy to conceal with the proper holster. And it gives you an upside that you can practice on a regular basis without damaging the gun. So you have to remember that when you have really little firearms, they're not designed for a lot of continuous shooting. They're designed strictly as a protection device.

Right, right. For. For very rare usage.

Yeah, yeah. Very close up and personal.

What about at home? Is the shotgun really the weapon of choice at home?

I've heard that mentioned by other people before as a good home defense. If you want to go cheap, shotgun's the way to go. There's not a person on earth who doesn't recognize that sound of a pump shotgun. However, it's going to do a lot of damage to whatever else you're doing aiming at beside the person coming in your door. The first thing you always have to do is recognize that the fact that that person who's put your life in jeopardy is not someone you know. You send a shotgun down a hallway and it's your uncle from down the street, you got bigger problems. You're really going to miss them. The shotgun gives you more, I mean, the handgun gives you more control. You should let the perpetrator come to you rather than you go to them. Because everyone that's on this radio channel knows their residents better than anybody breaking into it does. You're going to know where the rattles and squeaks in the floor are. You're going to know when he bumps into something in a particular room. Anytime you go to address a felon, you're going into what's called the fatal funnel of fire. And it's exactly that. It's a funnel starting from the point where this felon is in your house outwards towards you. You do want to control that. So you want this felon to operate in your fatal funnel of fire. So do you go your bedroom, wherever security you have, and let him come.

In to you, increasing your ability and you surprise him. That's a good point. You're surprising him as opposed to the other way around.

Absolutely. Because you know your residents better. And you never ever go meet the police with a gun in your hand. I don't care whether the cop drives by 50 times your residence, you wave to him as you're cutting your grass. Believe me, he doesn't know who you are. They don't know who the good guy is and the bad guys when they pull up. So never go meet a police officer with a gun in your hand.

One question though. If the guy breaks into your house and you don't go seek out, you hear noises. This is what happens, right? You hear a noise, a bump in the night, and you go seek that person out that you're saying is dangerous. And I completely understand what you're saying. But if you don't go investigate, how do you know it's really a noise? How do you know it's not just a fluke?

Okay, you set a time limit, 15 minute time limit. You sit quiet as possible in the room you're in and listen. That's why God gave us two eyes, two ears and one mouth to listen and see twice as much as we say. By listening and hearing, you'd be surprised. You can hear movements. If you don't hear any further movements after about 15 minutes, you know, it's probably something like an animal knocked something over that you have in your residence. The wind brushing by a window. You give it that 15 minute Avenue to make sure nothing is moving around. Criminals do not have a long time to stay in your residence. They want to get in, get the objects they wanted and get out. So that 15 Minute Avenue gives you some time to really reflect on what's going on around you and to calm yourself down should it be be a bad situation and you always have your cell phone charging in your bedroom, not down in the kitchen. First thing professionals do is cut the phone line from the outside. The next thing they're going to see is that cell phone charging in the kitchen. By having a cell phone in the bedroom, you have contact with other human beings, which usually relax anybody that's being attacked and doesn't hurt to get on the phone with. 91 1. I heard a noise downstairs and I'm going to investigate. No, no, no. I'm going to stay in my room because I just heard it again. Now you have probable cause to think somebody is in the Good advice.

Any more advice on that kind of confrontation situation? That's good to know.

Yes. If you happen to buy a flashlight, buy a good one. Buy one that's chargeable. Have it in your bedroom or wherever your security is going to be. Never hold a flashlight. Never put a laser beam on your pistol. It identifies where you are. What you want to do is have it as far away from your body as you're on the opposite side of the room just washing the doorway of light. It doesn't have to be a direct beam. You'll see what I mean if you try it. There is a big wide area that the flashlight covers in the entrance to a bedroom or hallway. That's all you need to see. By holding objects, you're identifying where you are and making yourself a target. If you're going to shoot at the light, God bless, let him hit the light. Then I'll knock him right off from that point off. But it gives me a little tactical advantage. For all the guys that complained about their wives buying oak bureaus to put in their bedrooms, an oak bureau is pretty hard to shoot through. To begin on the full opposite side of it. Protect yourself. You want to remove yourself from any avenue where you can be struck from.

On that discussion of the laser sights, I used to think the laser sight was a gimmick. Now I like the idea of the laser sight. However, you got to know how to use it because you don't want it to be on. You cover it with your finger, actually your trigger finger.

You've been trying. Well, okay, yes. Other people haven't. They put the beam on constantly.

Right, right.

And you understand the downside to that, don't you?

Yeah, definitely. And then the flashlight should not be attached to the gun. You use that in your other hand.

Yeah, well, you see that more often than not on a new bracket that thatches your firearm.

Right, exactly.

It's all gimmicks. I'm not a gimmick guy.

Right, right. Makes sense. For flashlights, I like, I have a couple of those Surefire Executive Defenders. It's a little tiny light. It's super bright. It'll blind the intruder.

Oh, sure. Fire is a very good company who makes an excellent product.

And then it has a weaponized bezel. So the bezel can be used as a weapon if you get close up and you need to. Yeah, so that's good.

Very good choice of a flashlight. Very good people to deal with as well.

Good stuff. Anything else on conference confrontation?

Not that we can train over the phone with them. It's got to be a more personalized thing. You got to find out everybody's different and their situations are different. Yeah. To speak generally to that fact, I don't know how I really could.

What does someone do to practice? And if you've decided to take the responsibility of owning a firearm, how often should you go to the range? How many times do you need to go before you're sort of proficient? Tell the listeners about that.

When I start training people, I get the basic overall view of how the gun works and why it works when I take them out and not patting myself on the back. But I'm very good at getting people to shoot accurately in the first 50 rounds that they fire. It's a system that you have to continually practice to maintain that skill. It's an unforgivable skill if you don't practice. So what I do in the initial thing, we get them coming back a few times at their own volition. Because you can't never look in another man's pocket instead of his rice ball because you don't know what he makes and how hard he's working or if he's even feeding his family presently. So when I take them from there, I have a different way of handling that. Next, I'll teach them how to use a holster and to draw from a holster. And then from there I'll tell them how to shoot multiple targets. Then from there I go into the dark and let them shoot in the dark Here. These are all things that just build to their ability to protect themselves and teach them what they can do. I reduce target sizes. I don't use anything near the police size target for qualification. It's just too humongously big. It's ridiculous.

It's too easy. Yeah.

Yeah, it's too easy. Police can't qualify with that. I don't know how it is in your area, but very often when you see shootings in this area, 80 shots fired, nobody hit by the police, but.

You have them shooting in the dark. That's a really good idea.

Well, I also do a thing called target attack, where I have the target coming at them to shoot at, see if they'll be scared. And some of them are. Initially, when you bring this thing in at their face, it's an initial thing that would never happen anywhere else. And the darkness does work out very good because it lets it teach. Does my night sights really work? Could my flashlight be use in another way? Which I make them put it 10ft away to show them what it can do for them and they move it with their foot rather than with their hands.

Oh, their flashlight. They move with their foot, huh?

Yes, move it with your foot across the room. Because even laying on a rug, if you practice in your home in darkness, you'll see how much you can wash an entire room or floor of a building just by using it that way.

Is that your foot without shoes? Yeah.

Well, it depends on the situation. If you have a nolium for or something your shoes could be hurt on, of course you want to take those off and you want to use the socks. You want to be as quiet as you can. You don't want to identify where you are. You never go out of shadows in your home, Stay in the shadows. That's why you don't illuminate yourself with any device, whether it be a laser, whatever. You, unlike the general public, have been trained how to use a laser. Believe me, most people are not. They put the gimmick on a gun. And if you've ever seen people that are untrained put on a target downrange, it's all over the place.

And the gimmick makes them the target, just like you said.

Absolutely. And if they learn how to use the gun without sights, so what if the battery goes bad in your laser? They're just out there, right? Learn to shoot the gun without all that nonsense on it. That's the thing that's going to keep you alive, not the laser beam.

One other interesting thing that's kind of just sort of a funny thing. Some people, I mean, grown adults are sort of afraid to sleep in the dark. And what's odd is I think that whole thing's counterintuitive. I think it's better to sleep in the dark because when the intruder comes in, he's not going to see where you are necessarily and he doesn't know your house and he might trip over something and that noise will wake you.

That's talking about.

Yeah, I mean, I mean you're always sleeping in the dark when your eyes are closed, so.

Yeah, well, people have obvious for a lot of reason most often, more often than not. I was the family they were raised in doing something stupid to them, you're probably as much where as I am. There's a lot of people in life that have been crapped on by one somebody or another. So night lights are a good idea. But you're absolutely right to get a tactical advantage, it's better to sleep in the dark.

Yeah. Because then you're going to convince somebody.

That'S been scared of the boogeyman in their closet since they were five. And that's a psychological problem. Neither of us are equipped to handle that one, I don't think.

No, probably not. Probably not. This has been a good discussion of this stuff and I'm glad we really got into some specifics here. And I really enjoyed the part, especially about what to do in case of an intruder. Anything else you want to tell the listeners before we go? Just to kind of wrap up the whole concept or any more nuts and.

Bolts things certainly on the street, you never want to carry vast amounts of money in currency and expose it to people in stores. If you're proud you had a hundred dollar bill from your business today, wonderful. Keep it to yourself. You make a Cincinnati bankroll, which means a lot of newspapers surrounded by a couple of ones wrapped with a rubber band. If an attacker really wants your money, you throw it. If he's going after the money that's he's there to rob you. If he's doing it to you still, he's there to do something a lot more dangerous to you. And things like that are just common sense things. If you're in a mall and you're shopping and you bring your packages out and all of a sudden somebody comes up here behind you and puts a knife to your throat and says, woman, drive me to the nearest park around here. I'll let you go when we get there. You already have one crime scene where the robbery initially started. My feelings are crash the car, you pay car insurance, crash it and remove his avenue of escape. Why would you take anybody to a remote spot where they can rape and kill you? Once you remove that avenue of escape, you attract a lot of attention in that mall parking lot. You attract people that will help you. And if you have a firearm, you get out. Look for the next vehicle next to you as he's running away. You can be able to protect yourself.

Yeah, I just want you to expand on that, maybe for a moment. I have heard that never cooperate in the sense of getting into a vehicle or going somewhere else. Do not let the bad guy move you. Is that pretty much absolutely true? Yeah.

You're taking one crime scene, making a second where nobody that you know. Suppose your wife says, I'm going down to the nearest mall, Jason, and they find her body 40 miles away in the desert. You didn't know she was doing out there. All you knew was the mall. Now the cops have to trace back from that mall, hoping someone comes forward and seeing something with your wife. I mean, that's what these criminals do to you. They torture cops in prison. Well, we'll tell you where the body's at. People need closure when those idiotic things happen.

Well, we just had that happen with this scumbag in San Diego that killed Chelsea King. And he had a couple other victims and got on the radio and he was all flipping about it. The reporter said, are there any other victims? Oh, you think I'm going to tell you? Nice try. I mean, unbelievable.

The media generates that stuff though, as well. And you know that as well.

Yeah, of course they do. Of course they do.

Creeps want to see their name in the paper. They want to see all these things. And it's like shows like Criminal Intent while they're on television. The FBI's Criminal Task Force, they're out there. We have a lot of professionals out there to try to solve these things every day. We have a lot of dedicated people out there every day. Unfortunately, all the civilians around, both of us don't help enough. They don't look hard enough. They don't pay attention to things going around. I call them sheeple. You know, as a sheep, you follow the one with the bell. If he goes over the cliff, everybody's gone with them. We have to be more responsible to one another as citizens here, at least make a 911 call. If you're suspicious of somebody being hurt. Dial the phone, get involved a little bit.

And you know what's scary about that? And I think there's actually a name for this kind of syndrome. I can't remember what it is, but I remember a long time ago, there was. There was the story of the New York jogger, and she. She was being raped and terrorized, and everybody heard it. Yet they thought someone else had windows at it. But they thought. They thought because it was so obvious that someone else had called and nobody called.

I remember that job vividly. It's the biggest disgrace in the history of this country.

It really is. It really is.

They were assuming. When you assume something, make an ass out of you and they never assume.

People, no question about it. Well, what else do people need? Need to know just to wrap it all up.

Be conscious of what's going on, be a little bit paranoid. It doesn't hurt you pay attention. That's what street smarts is. People who live in depressed areas are street smart because they're being constantly shot at or trying to be victimized. They know when to duck. People that live in white bred areas are moved in communities and so forth that are a little bit more aesthetic and value and things like that. They lose contact with the realities of going to the inner city. They put themselves in jeopardy by living in la la land. Pay more attention to surroundings.

Good point. Where can people find out more your website or where can they get the book?

Pistolpeople.com is the website. It's slightly out of date, but it kind of reflects the overall view which I have. And of course the book is called the Essential Guide to Handguns which is in publication for a number of years.

Now and that's on Amazon and all the other usual sites.

Yes, it's a lot of venues. Amazon is most prominent.

Excellent. Well Steven, thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate the insights.

Jason, I thank you for the venue to come and speak people around us. I value their lives and I value their friendships.

Our pleasure. Keep up the good work.

Thank you sir.

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