HS 329 - FBF – Cellphone and Wireless Device Hazards with Will Thomas

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It's my pleasure to welcome William Thomas to the show. He is an author, journalist, lecturer and filmmaker. We're going to talk today about several things including cell phone hazards, chemtrails, the politics of terror and mass persuasion. William is an award winning Canadian journalist specializing in health and the environment. And I think you will find this interview to be very interesting. William, how are you?

I'm very well, thank you.

Well, good. It's a pleasure to have you on the show. And by the way, where are you located? Where are you coming from today?

I'm on a little island called hornby island, about 50 miles north of Vancouver on the west coast of Canada.

Well, that is a beautiful place. I've been to Victoria, Vancouver island, and of course Vancouver a few times. And it's just a gorgeous part of the world up there, so. Excellent. Well, tell us about your books and your work and your research and what happened to you. I guess you lost an important position because you exposed some of this, huh?

That's right, yes. I've been an investigative journalist since the 1960s. I've written, I don't know, four or five books now. Got interested in this subject, I guess. Compelled to dive into this subject, researching a book I was asked to write called Scorched Earth, Military's Impact on the Environment in Peacetime and War. And to my surprise found that the number one. And anybody who wants to win a bar bet, by the way, ask the person next to you, what's the number one pollutant in the world? The correct answer is electromagnetic radiation. 10 million times higher than the EMR we've been exposed to as hominids evolving over millions of years. So this is literally off the charts. Human beings and other animals and plants have never been exposed to these levels of electromagnetic radiation. So from there I continued to do my research and got rid of my cell phone right away.

After doing that. And we're working diligently to keep this community free of wireless relay towers.

Wow.

In today's world, that's going to be a tough sell. I would assume it is.

It is. But we're pretty strong and we've, you know, we've beat them back once and it's, they're relentless. The industry is relentless. There's so much money involved. And as you mentioned off the top, I was a columnist for a magazine in Victoria, won awards, national awards for investigative work. I wrote a column, a health column on cell phone dangers and a second column on the dangers of microwave cooking. That's the food, not the oven. The food that comes out of the oven. And was called in and fired. We don't publish that kind of information. Even though, as I pointed out, both columns were fully documented and pointed to European studies.

Well, you know, since you mentioned that, and it's not really the topic of our discussion today, but on the microwave, since almost everybody, except probably you, uses one, I heard, and it was circulating a while back, about if you're cooking those TV dinners or sort of prefab frozen meals, you shouldn't have the plastic on them in the microwave because the plastic melts and leaches into the food. That seems like a pretty logical, sensible thing, although I've done it a zillion times myself. Is there another danger beyond standing next to the microwave or, I mean, the food itself when it comes out? If it's just the food and no packaging and you just eat the food that was in the microwave, is that okay, or is there a problem with that?

It's absolutely not okay. It's absolutely extremely dangerous. I'm quoting Swiss studies. They've been looking at this for years. Of course, the gentleman doing the studies was attacked because he found that, and others have since found that, that when the microwaves heat food, of course they vibrate at extremely high vibrates, about 2 point, I think 4 or 5 gigahertz. That's gigas billion hertz, of course, hertz times per second. So it's whipping the food molecules back and forth 2.4 or 2.9 billion times a second until it breaks down. The molecular structure of a food in a microwave. All food in a microwave breaks down very quickly. When you consume the food, your body does not recognize it as food. This is alien. This is some strange molecular something and the body attacks it and tries to wall it off. What happens is if you put organic vegetables in a microwave oven, your cholesterol will go through the roof because your body is trying to sequester organs from this strange invader. So microwave food, very bad idea. Just the food itself, not good.

I had no idea. That is really scary. Let me ask you about this one. What about heating water in a microwave like a cup of coffee?

Same thing. You shake the molecules apart and it's no longer a cup of coffee, it's a Cup of, I don't know, maybe they drink it on Nibiru, but they're not going to drink it here or Mars or somewhere. But it's not coffee that your body recognizes. People jump over to.

Willthomasonline.Net, go up to the hot topics and you will find my article fully documented on the hazards of microwave cooking. Interestingly, if not frighteningly, cell phone and portable phone radiation, or devices, I should say, and many wireless devices work at the very same frequency as your microwave oven. These truly are microwave oven style gadgets that we're holding to our heads or carrying around on very vulnerable parts of our bodies.

Well, okay, now when we talk about the cell phone thing, I mean at least the cell phones are very low power. I mean, what are they, a third of a watt maybe or I don't know what they are, but they're not very high powered. A microwave is 5 watts. Okay, well a microwave is 12 or 1800 watts. Obviously you're not holding it to your ear, hopefully. But what about the power level? I mean, is it the cell phone companies? I'm sure what they'd say is it's such a minute amount, it just doesn't matter.

That's what they're saying. Yes, and the smart meter people are saying that and the cell phone power people and they're all saying that. And you know what? They're right. It is low power, but they're not right. If they take the next step and go, there's no effects because it's low power actually. And you better sit down for this. Low power is worse. Low power is worse. It's more dangerous because it mimics and overrides the, the electrochemical signals between and inside our cells and our body. And our brain cells are neurons. They're operating at 0.07 of a volt. Our heart is operating at 2.5 watts. So we are overpowering our electrochemical signals. We're jamming them, if you will, with similar frequencies. So it's not the power level that's the problem here, it's the pulsing. The pulsing is critical and that is the back and forth oscillations, the jackhammering oscillations. Remember we're talking billions of times a second. And when you whip your double strand DNA, we've seen the pictures Crook and Watson did and came up with the beautiful ladder like structure of DNA. When you whip that back and forth 2, 4 billion times a second, it snaps and single strand breaks. Our body can repair most of the time, double strand breaks Dr. Lay found in University of Washington years ago. We can't repair those. So we have a problem here with all this pulsing and we're continuously exposed to electrode smog.

So what did you mean about single strand breaks and double strand? What is that?

Our DNA is composed. It's a double stranded ladder with the helix. Yeah, twisted. Yeah, the double helix. Thank you. And it's a ladder, and that's fine. But if you shake that ladder and twist it back and forth with cell phone or portable phone or wireless energy in the gigahertz range, you're talking billions of times a second. In the megahertz range of yesteryear, millions of times a second, it snaps. This has been found in study after study after study. And when that ladder breaks, we have DNA damage that can be passed on to future generations.

So birth defects.

Birth defects, Autism in particular, Autistic people tend to pass on their genes and produce autistic children. Autism is very closely linked, among other things, to electromagnetic radiation, as is add, asthma, all kinds of things. Early onset Alzheimer's, things that you do not want in yourself or in your family.

Now, of course, I had someone on the show talking about vaccines and they claim. There's a lot of people that claim that autism is a vaccine problem.

There is a strong component there with the mercury. No question about that. This is synergistic, of course. If you have a chemical insult and you add microwave or other radio frequency radiation to this insult, it will have a synergistic effect. It will greatly amplify the effect. So we are not saying that cell phone radiation is the cause of every ailment on the planet. Obviously not. But we can say with some surety that it certainly triggers and exacerbates many of the ailments that are afflicting our society right now. And Sweden knows best because they were the first nation to go wireless. And if we want to see where we're going in Canada, the United States, the rest of Europe, we just have to look at Sweden because, you know, they're there.

Well, what happened in Sweden as a result of being wireless? I mean, did their cancer rates increase dramatically or what's going on?

Well, yeah, cancer isn't the only. Cancer is huge, of course. And we all go, whoa, brain cancer. I don't want that. That's true. But in late 97, Sweden put in their second generation cell phones right across the country. And suddenly, after a decade long decline, workers on sick leave, those numbers began to rise in 1977, they doubled in the next five years. Traffic accidents declining for years, climbed again in 97 because people's brains were affected. They couldn't think straight, concentrate, their reaction time was cut down. Deaths from Alzheimer's declining for years, rose sharply and 99 doubled by 2001. So now in Sweden, we, we have electro hypersensitivity disorder, accepted as a workers disability. And they're finding a large part of their workforce is off sick with sleep disorders, chronic fatigue that can't be cured with rest, cognitive function problems, blood problems, headaches, migraines. It's a real health problem in Sweden and that's where we're heading real quick. In fact, we'll get there quicker because we've come out with higher frequencies and more of these gadgets.

Okay, but just pardon my skepticism for a moment. So in Sweden, I thought you were going to say that the reason traffic accidents increased was because of people being distracted by the cell phone. And that I could certainly see. I mean, there have been changes in society. Stress levels have changed, you know, I mean, a lot of other things have changed in the world. And I know you're not claiming that this is the only thing. If you take a radio. I love the way you put it as an insult. The insult. Radiation, the insult of chemicals, the insult of hormones in the food we eat and all of this stuff at once. And certainly they all add up to a synergistic problem. But couldn't someone pick some of those things apart that you said?

I don't think so. And here's the reason why. We all know what people do in the front seat of cars while they're driving down the road. They've been doing it a long time. That's our baseline. And if you want distraction, well, we won't get gravity. But there's all kinds of distraction. You know, people making their lunch, drinking coffee, putting on makeup and doing other things in the front seat of cars. That's our baseline traffic accident rate. The insurance companies have freaked out, literally, because their insurance claims have gone up 400% since people have been using cell phones. And you're right, the state governments, provincial governments here in Canada have said, boy, we can't have that distraction, so better use a hands free set. And the traffic accidents went up. Oh no, they went up. Why? Because it's not the distraction. It's not the distraction, it's the inhibition. They damage the insult to the brain. After two minutes on a cell phone, the blood brain barrier opens. Blood proteins enter the brain and start attacking neurons, brain cells. So the reaction of a teenage driver on a cell phone or anyone else for that matter will be the same as a 70 year old driver without a cell phone. The reactions of a person on a cell phone in a car are worse, underlying worse than a legally drunk driver. And those are findings from states and from medical boards. So this is really serious. It's the interruption of the brain cells and the inability to put reaction times together and figure out what's going on that are behind the car crashes. Hands free makes it much worse because the power levels have to go up to deal with the distance of hands free. And again, you're in a metal Faraday cage in a car or truck and the power level has to go up even further to get through that, all that metal. So the hands free they're finding is even worse.

Now when you say hands free, tell us what type of hands free are you talking about? Bluetooth or what?

Well, Bluetooth I guess would not be hands free because it's always inserted into the ear as far as I know. And by the way, that Bluetooth was started out with extremely low power levels that would just reach across a room is now up to about 2.94 GHz, just like a cell ph.

Well, and my car, you know, my car, like many others nowadays has, has Bluetooth built into the car itself. So I just have my cell phone in the car and, and it hooks in with the Bluetooth system and comes over the speakers of the stereo in the car. So is, is that better than holding it up to your ear? I would think so. But maybe you're going to tell me not.

I'm not, I'm afraid I'm going to tell you not. I'm going to say they're both, both, both really bad ideas. But again, you're. Yeah, your speaker's not held to your head, that's the good news. But the power levels have gone up maybe 10 times to produce that signal. That's the bad news. And the Bluetooth, as I mentioned, if it's operating in your vehicle as a cell phone would, then by definition it's putting out roughly the same frequencies and certainly the same power density. We're concerned with that as a regular cell phone. So basically bad juju to be running down the road with a cell phone or Bluetooth or whatever operating in the car, especially underline, especially with children or pregnant women in that car.

So now what you've got with the Bluetooth is you've got not only the radiation of the cell phone talking to the tower, but now you've Got more radiation of the Bluetooth operating in your car that's just going through the whole body of the car, right?

That's right. That's right. And trying to link up with towers as it goes by. So its power level is going up and down. When it gets close to a tower, the power level drops. But as you drive away, power level goes back up.

You mean of the cell phone, not the Bluetooth? Yes. Consistent. Yeah. Okay, that's right now. Now what about. You know, I'm looking at my iPhone right now that's next to me and I'm getting concerned and I've got the earbuds that I listen to music on and audio podcasts like this great show. Does it help me that I'm using those earbuds and not talking with the phone in my ear and not using Bluetooth? I mean, that's not Bluetooth. So now one person, I said, they said that, that they actually. That cord actually carries the radiation and other radiation in the air right into my ear.

Unfortunately, you. Unfortunately, you just answered your own question there. That's exactly what happens. It will depending. Now, here's the catch. Depending on how that wire is draped across your body straight down is the worst. There are some ways it can lie where it does reduce the emission from your phone into your ear, but we don't know what that is. And it changes with each phone. So. So you're really playing roulette. But basically when the wire's hanging down or downish, you are channeling that energy right into your ear. But you're doing more than that. You are picking up all of the ambient electromagnetic radiation in the area from the TV tower and the FM tower you just passed and the radar installation and on and on, you're picking all that up. The wire becomes an antenna and it channels that right into your ear. So unfortunately, again, states are saying, okay, you got to have hands free, you got to have a headset. In Europe, they're telling manufacturers, you've got to sell a headset or an earbud with your wireless device or we're not going to let you sell it. Well, that's really not helpful. We appreciate the intention, but in fact, the problem is people think they're safe and they're not safe. The second problem is, and I'm very concerned about this, the more we use these things and the more we try to protect ourselves from the radiation individually, the more towers have to be built. And as the WI FI spectrum becomes completely jammed, as it is now, the telecom people are rolling out WiMax, which is Wi fi on steroids. Very high power density levels, increasingly high frequencies, piggybacking signals. And it's the data, the information on the signal, the so called modulation that is extremely harmful. So the more text messages and the more video clips and the more music you're trading back and forth wirelessly, the worse these exposures for everybody, including people like me who don't want to use these machines. We are still exposed just like people were to secondhand smoke. And this is going the same way of the tobacco companies. They're using the same advertisers after all. But the results are going to be even more horrific.

Well, that's what I was just about to mention. So even if one listening gets fearful of this and say I decide to stop using a cell phone and go back to the pre1986 dark ages when I got my first cell phone for $3200, mind you, I actually.

Oh my goodness, I remember those. They fit in of a ton.

Well, yeah, it was portable, but it weighed 14 pounds. And I was just a kid in the real estate business. I was. And I bought a cell phone, I financed it, but. But back then it was special because it was really cool to have a cell phone. But nowadays everybody's got one.

I certainly don't want to frighten people to the point where they're stressed out because stress is the very worst health hazard you could encounter. Much worse than occasional exposure to this stuff. However, I do hope that we are taking it back a notch and at least alarming people enough that they will go back, go to the library and get out some books on the subject and just check it out. Especially if they have children who are very, very vulnerable, especially vulnerable to these very addictive technologies. And we have to step back now. This isn't William Thomas saying this. Who's he? Well, the National Research Council of Canada says that electromagnetic radiation could well be the health hazards of the millennium. That's a quote. Dr. Deborah Davis, she wrote Disconnect, that's a new book. People can pick that up. The most important unrecognized public health issue of our time. She says, look out, we're going to have a global catastrophe. This is a doctor. Doctors usually don't talk like this unless they're really shaken up. We have Dr. Karuhana, professor of neurosurgery. What hundred studies published on mobile phones. Top expert in the world. His conclusion after all of this, stopped using mobile phones. So the consensus medically is these are a bad Bad, bad thing at the levels we're using.

Yeah. So here's the problem though is what I was going to mention a minute ago is say I stop using one. I still got all this radiation all around me. I can't get away from it unless I'm going to go live in the sticks. I mean, what do I do? What can people do to protect themselves? Let me take a brief pause. We'll be back in just a minute.

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I got two questions for you before I want to change. I want to shift gears and talk about some of your other topics. Okay, but I've got two questions here. Number one, what can people do to protect themselves against the radiation? And number two, why, how and why is this being suppressed? I mean, I think I know why. It's the mighty dollar.

But those two questions, very good questions. First of all, it's tough. Most of us live and we're inundated with this, with these energies from all kinds of sources. We don't have direct control over many of them. My attitude in life is precautionary principle, avoid what I can, avoid what I can, and bless the rest and carry on with my life. Because being stressed out over this stuff and exposed to it exacerbates the damage. So individually we just say I don't want these devices. You know, interestingly, they're winning court cases in Europe against employers who say you've got to be available 247 with a cell phone. And people are winning court cases saying, no, these things are radiation devices. That's the big word of our entire conversation today, radiation. And no, the courts are saying, you don't have to expose yourself to this. So we get rid of our wireless router and our computer. Portable phones, worse than cell phones. It's like having a cell tower in your home. So bye, bye portable phones. And we clean up our own homes as much as possible and we don't let the utility company under any circumstances tack a smart meter onto the wall of our house. So locally we push back and we join with our community and we keep the towers out of our neighborhood. And if we have towers in the neighborhood, we get together as a community and we get them out of there. So we do what we can locally, individually, and in our neighborhood. And that's a good start because if more people do this, and they certainly are in Europe and parts of the usa, this will catch on and it will start to have an impact.

So we didn't really address that specifically. But you also really do not like the idea of smart meters. And smart meters are these electrical meters and other utility meters that go in your house and they operate off a cell phone signal. Right. And so that's another radiation source. And I also have some other philosophical problems with smart meters and other ways of controlling my energy, like the government deciding what the temperature of my house gets to be. Are you kidding me? This is insanity.

Or finding out what appliance you're using and when you're using it.

So there are other talk about Big Brother watching you. I mean, that is just so wrong.

The problem quickly with smartphones, the problem, one of the issues. Yeah, cell phone radiation we've just discussed in broad strokes. That's why we don't want that around our bodies and our families and children. But it'll jump into your water pipes and your wiring in your house. These pulses from the smart meter that will collect an aggregator in the neighborhood will collect all of the impulses from the smart meters in the area and push those out toward the utility company. So whatever house that aggregator is attached to will have much higher levels. All of the houses with what, steel, electric ranges, refrigerators, reflective surfaces in the house will amplify the smart meter signal. So this is mass. Well, I can tell you, mass sterilization, for one thing. Brain damage, just ill health in general. People are up in arms in Ontario, in California and Maine, you name it.

So sterilization.

Does radiation, basically. Does it sterilize both male and female?

Well, most of the work has been done on males, particularly males who carry cell phones on their waist. But women who carry them there also are experiencing problems becoming pregnant. And people who just simply live in the vicinity of cell phone mass, and there's many of them in India, and they're having a major drop off in pregnancies from people living near these towers because it distorts, it kills and distorts sperm. And you can't normally conceive as you would in a clean environment. So those aspects are very high and very scientifically well connected to this radiation. And again, that's the operative word, because whether the radiation is coming over to you from Fukushima, and I've written quite a bit about that, we should be concerned about that. The radiation from the wireless router by your computer or your portable phone cradle in your living room has the exact same effect on a cell, although it's different kinds of radiation. The effect on this human cell is the same. And the cell fragments and streams these fragments called micronuclei, and those are the markers for cancer. And those markers were used at Chernobyl, and they are used for cell phone radiation. Same markers. So radiation is radiation, and.

We don't care to have this artificial radiation saturating our environment.

So any more thoughts on what one can do to protect themselves?

Okay, so individually, we divest ourselves of these wireless gadgets that are apparently convenient.

And very addictive, which just let me tell you the stat on that. What it's going to be here. 1/10 of 1% of the listeners will actually do that.

Well, it's 1/10, that's true. But I do these shows, you know, I don't get paid for this. I do these shows because I think maybe I'll save a life. You know, Jason, once in a while I get an email and somebody says, you know what? I heard you on the radio. And I went to my daughter and I took the phone away, and there was a bit of a struggle, but I explained why, and we're going to try that for a while, and that makes me feel really good. When we can protect the children, Pregnant women who don't have wireless laptops on their lovely bodies and aren't using wireless phones and aren't doing ultra scans and really assaulting the child in their body, if someone like that is listening and says, wow, I better take another look at this, and I don't smoke, and I stop drinking while I'm pregnant, well, we stop doing microwaves as well. So that's what I'm hoping for. So we get a few people to do that. It won't change the world, but it might make a huge, huge difference in their lives.

All right, so. So. So cutting it out of one's life is a way to protect oneself, really?

I'm afraid that.

I mean, you're not gonna. You're not gonna recommend a shield or a gizmo that you can use or a certain kind of case or cover or anything like that.

Well, the problem is, I like to say in my lectures, if. If you're. And demonstrate as well, if your cell phone shield works, your cell phone won't. So if the shield blocks the radiation, your phone won't work. And if your phone is working, the shield is a hoax. Basically, you can get pouches that Might protect your body, but you can't get anything that will surround the phone and block that radiation because the phone won't work.

That makes total sense to me. Now what about all these multi level marketing guys that are out there selling a little sticker that goes on the back of your phone that looks like.

Exactly piece of metal, the fish. If the FCC has sued people like that, it's in my book. They said these things are junk, they do not work and this is false advertising. And they sued them. The US government's gone after them not because they didn't want people protected, but because it was a hoax. Again, we can go to an air tube which is a headset without a wire and that will not conduct electricity into your head. That sounds very good. Depending on where the phone is located. Again and I have to emphasize this, the more we think we're protected, the more we're going to use these gadgets. And more and more are coming out daily and the more society as a whole is going to be inundated by this radiation. And again, it's not just cancer or chronic fatigue, it's brain wiping. And doctors and researchers that I am studying all say, they all say children growing up on these 8, 9, 12, 14 year old kids by the time they're 30 years old will be functionally senile, unable to function in society. They're having trouble right now functioning in society, putting thoughts together, understanding, comprehending. But by the age 30, we're going to have a brain wiped population. And I mean that literally. And then the cancers will kick in just when we need our wits about us. As all the other challenges come crashing down on us that we're dealing with and seeing the headlines every day.

So the government's attempt to dumb down the population has been achieved by private enterprise.

They don't need to put the floor on.

I think inadvertently. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Have achieved that and makes me nervous because the generals and the business managers and the President of the United States are all using this technology too. So it doesn't make me feel better. I mean they're not foisting on us and not using it themselves. Everybody's addicted to this, of course.

Well, it's incredibly convenient. One other question I had is this sort of conspiratorial aspect to this, which is, I almost hate to use that word, just people trying to make money and companies that want to get, be enriched and they want people to keep using the technology. Just talk to us for a moment if you would about the suppression side of the. The tobacco companies forever said that cigarettes were okay, and then they weren't addictive at least. And there's been varying degrees of BS out there. What's going on in the electromagnetic radiation category?

Okay, well, let's. By contrast, let's jump overseas. France has just come out. Europe has the big studies. The bioinitiative report looked at 2000, 2000 clinical, medical, scientific studies on these hazards spanning decades. We knew this was a problem in the 1950s. The U.S. military knew it was in the 60s, 70s. And so this bioinitiative study said. They looked at all of them and said, this is really bad. And this is why. So Europe's going, oh, this is bad. The Freiburg initiative in 2002, signed by 3,000 German health professionals and doctors, implored the German government to restrict cell phones and to ban. To ban outright portable phones. Well, now we have France in the last few weeks saying, okay, no more wireless in public libraries, no more wireless in schools, and maybe kids under 12 shouldn't be allowed to have these. Britain is already saying the same thing. Israel says you have to have very strong warnings that come up on your phone every time you turn it on. No advertising to children, on and on. So Spain is enacting legislation. Austria, very tight limits now to radiation coming out of Salzburg. Austria, the new levels. Italy, passing laws. And here in the United States and Canada and North America, we hear nothing about the uproar in Europe, and we hear very little about the dangers. And if we are told about dangers, it's done in such a way to be confusing and contradictory. So we're not sure what to believe. But in fact, your top researchers, Lai, Neil Cherry, George Carlo, the list is very, very long. All of them. Ole Johansen, I mentioned him earlier in Sweden, every single one of them, without exception, has lost their funding and basically lost their laboratories once they publicized findings on the real dangers of wireless devices. So there is a pogrom, if you will, to suppress scientific dissent. Not just people out in the street, but scientists, experts in the field who've dedicated their lives to studying this. They're all being turfed out so that today in the United States of America, you have zero, none, independent researchers looking into this, where you have all kinds of them in Europe. You're talking $4 trillion here. $4 trillion is the latest figure I've gotten for this industry.

It's a $4 trillion industry.

Four trillion.

That's not. That's incredible, folks. I know a billion ain't what it used to be. But we're talking $4 trillion. Now is that just the wireless phone industry or you're probably counting WI fi.

The wireless industry.

Oh, the wireless. Of all wireless devices of any sort. Right.

It's called $4 trillion a year in the wireless industry. That's from the International Telecommunication Union. That's a lobby group for the industry. So that's their number. Your text messaging, which is completely addictive. Man, oh man. You can't speak to your own children without texting them, it seems. Hundred billion dollars. 100 billion for text messaging alone in 2007. Nearly 2 billion people. 2.8 trillion text messages a year. 92,000 text messages sent every second of every single day around the clock. That was in 07. So this is. It's bigger than big. It's bigger than big. You've got nearly everybody on the planet. Much more than one in five have a cell phone subscription.

That's incredible. This is an amazing thing. It really is. I had no idea it was this big. Big an issue. Hey, you know what? You've got some other interesting topics you talk about and we're gonna just run too long. If we jump into them. Would you be willing to come back on a future show to talk about some of your other stuff and maybe just tell us what your other works and books are about?

Okay. I'm the journalist who broke the story on Chemtrails in 1998 for Environment News Service. I've written the most authoritative book on the subject. Updated. It's available on the website as well as articles on the subject. Simply chemtrails. US Military spraying sunlight reflecting chemicals over our heads, primarily to do with climate change. It's not helping. It's a disaster. Also has military applications. So I'm very concerned about chemtrails, I would say. And they do interact, of course, because they're sprayed to conduct radio energy. They do interact and amplify cell phone and wireless frequencies. So I am concerned.

So those two are interconnected. Wow.

They are. According to Dr. George Carlo, one of the world's experts, he actually used that word chemtrails in an email to someone saying that, yeah, these things exacerbate other insults to our physical systems.

And what about the political issues and terrorism?

Well, I wrote the first book on 911 called All Fall the Politics of Terror and Mass Persuasion was published in October of that year 01 and was asked by my publisher to update it some years later. And I couldn't. I had to write a brand new book. And that's been out a couple of years now, but it's very topical. It's still one of the very best sources. And I know there's a lot of books out there on the subject, but this is, again, investigative journalism. No agenda here, just facts, please. And that book is Days of Deception, Ground Zero and Beyond. And it takes us like a novel with people on the airplanes, people in the towers, the rescue people. It's a very exciting story and heartbreaking story at the same time, but goes beyond 911 to the ramifications in Afghanistan, Iraq and on the world.

Excellent. Well, very interesting. We'd love to have you back to talk about these things on a future show. Really interesting topics. William Thomas, thank you so much for joining us today. Give out your website one more time if you would.

Thank you, Jason. It's Will Thomas. Two L's Will thomasonline.net Excellent.

Well, thanks so much for joining us today.

Pleasure.

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