HS 447 - Dr. Jerome Corsi - Silent No More, How I Became a Political Prisoner of Mueller’s “Witch Hunt" World Net Daily

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It's my pleasure to welcome back a returning guest. That is Dr. Jerome Corsi. You've heard his name in the news a lot lately. He is the author of the new book Silent no How I Became a Political Prisoner of Mueller's Witch Hunt. Of course, he's also founder and CEO of Corsi Nation. Jerome, welcome back. How are you?

Great. I'm great to be back with you. Thank you, Jason.

So tell us what has been going on with you lately? You have really made national headlines repeatedly. Global headlines, I guess I should say. What's been going on?

Well, it all involves the Mueller special counsel. I was subpoenaed to appear before it, going back to August 28th, and I spent really six sessions, 40 hours, over two months of a grueling inquisition. I mean, it was just one of the most difficult, psychological, harassing experiences of my life. And it ended. I really did not have what they wanted. I'll explain how after 40 hours, it all blew up. And what made the national and international headlines is they had offered me this plea deal on what they call lying. But it's really the crime is willfully and knowingly giving them information, you know, to be false with the intent to deceive them. And I did not do that. So I turned down their plea offer and told them, I'm 72 years old, so they want to put me in prison the rest of my life for something I didn't do then, that's a statement to the nation and the world. The US justice doesn't exist any longer. But to go back and kind of backtrack and fill in the nature of the inquiry that fell apart was that, you know, as a journalist and through 2016, I've been working with WorldNet Daily as a senior staff writer. I've been following and working with Roger Stone. Well, the special prosecutor believed that I had to have had advanced knowledge that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks had Podesta's emails and that he was going to release those early in October 2016. You know, I had early knowledge that that was going to be the case In July and August 2016, what Assange was going to do in October. Now, the reason the special prosecutor got onto that was because when I was in Italy In July and August 2016, it was my 25th wedding anniversary, and with my wife, family, we were vacationing, and I had time to figure out and sort through, connect the dots in my mind. And I realized that Julian Assange, after he dropped 22,000 emails on Debbie Wasserman Schultz on the Democratic National Committee's email server, that was on July 22, 2016, just before we went to Italy. And in Italy, I figured out what he had remaining, because during Assange said he had more emails from the DNC to drop. I figured out they had to be Podestas. And I wrote this to Roger Stone and others in emails from Italy, kind of alerting everybody that I came to this conclusion that Assange had Podesta's emails, he was going to drop them in October, and they were going to be like an atomic bomb to Hillary's campaign, released day by day until Assange ran out of them, which I predicted would be right up until the election. I was just uncanny in how right I was. And what the special prosecutor wanted was they wanted me to connect Roger Stone to Assange by saying I had a source or a name or that I'd been in touch with Assange and gotten Roger Stone in touch with Assange. And then that would be their link back to Donald Trump for collusion. It would be, of all people, me, Jerome Corsi, a journalist, and Roger Stone connecting with Assange through me and then communicating directly with Donald Trump, the candidate, to coordinate when Assange was going to release these emails supposedly stolen by Russia. Well, there's several problems here. Number one is I don't know Julian Assange. I've never met Julian Assange. I never talked to Julian Assange or anybody related to him. And the last 20 hours of this inquisition were just hell because the special prosecutor wouldn't let up on the scene.

That's amazing. So you've never had any communication with Julian Assange?

Never.

Wow. I was going to ask you if you could introduce me, because I'd like to interview him on the show.

That'd be great. If we just go over to the Embassy and talk to him.

Yeah, right, right. Exact. Exactly. Exactly.

What made it more extremely difficult for me was I came in to cooperate with the special counselor. I brought in my computers, my laptops. I had been using an Apple 17 inch MacBook Pro that was just about broken.

Those are old, they haven't made those in a while.

And I wanted to keep mine going because I like that bigger size. And I had a time machine application which backed up that computer four times a month onto an external hard drive. And I had the external hard drive. I turned that over to the special counsel too, along with my cell phone and my email accounts and everything else. They wanted my usernames, passwords, because I thought this would maybe be a legitimate investigation, I would cooperate.

Right. But it wasn't.

No. So if this was a politically rigged, biased operation that I've now written this book, Silent no More Do Expose. Because I began writing that book when I realized how corrupt this was. And I wanted to create an hour by hour experience. I wrote as we were going along what it felt like. I want America to be warned. If this can happen to me, this can happen to you.

That's what everybody should be worried about. You know, if you see injustice out there anywhere in the world, whether it be a white collar rip off or the government attacking someone, even if you disagree with that person, you better put up your guard and think this could happen to you. It's not just about the topic or the person, it's about the concept, right?

Yes. It's about justice. It's about the fundamental standard we have of right and wrong and that is blurred or goes away or becomes political. We start making crimes out of politics. And let me explain a little bit more. I mean, on this first day when I had not reviewed my 2016 emails, because as I explained, the 17 inch laptop, the MacBook Pro was on its last legs. I quit using it in 2018 and I was afraid if I tried to download or even save it and download the 2016 emails, I could wreck the whole machine. I thought I'd just hand it over to the FBI. And the condition was the last day I used it and let them worry about it. Well, they asked me the first day.

That's funny. But yeah, go ahead.

Well, I mean, they've got Quantico, they've.

Got these, they can dissect your hard drive. Yeah, no problem.

Yeah, they can. I mean, these got technical capabilities way beyond mine. And I didn't think I'd rather have them mess with a partly non functioning computer and revive it and get the information out of the external drives because I was really trying to give them everything.

Hey, speaking. Speaking of Big Brother watching all of us and a little bit of poking fun at it in a sad but true way. Can't you just ask the NSA for the backup of your hard drive?

Well, you know, that's the. In fact, I'm suing Mueller and the federal district Court over exactly that issue because I.

For what? 350 million bucks or something.

$350 million. Wow.

Oh, my God.

OK. And the judge in the case, Judge Leon, has called a hearing on the case on January 3rd, which I intend to. I intend to be there. And that's possible, meaning the case might go forward because I've got evidence and improved through my case that through either FISA electronic surveillance or NSA surveillance. Maybe back to 2004 when I wrote Unfit for Command, the swipboat book with John o' Neill against John Kerry. I may have been under electronic surveillance by the NSA for all those years. The special counsel sure seemed to have my phone records and they knew more than they seemed to have the content of my phone calls. I want to know where they got them.

Yeah, right, exactly. Okay, so how did you pick a $350 million number for that lawsuit? I'm curious.

Well, just is enough to get everybody's attention. I mean, my attorney, Larry Klayman, said make sure it was big enough so it's meaningful.

I think that's going to catch everybody's attention, sure.

No question about it.

But what they do is they play this memory trap on you. I mean, so I was saying the first day, and I testified, they asked me, did I send anybody to see Julian Assange? And I said, no, I didn't. I don't want to send anybody to see Julian Assange. Well, they pull out this email from 2016 where Roger Stone had emailed me just before we. In July 2016, just before we went to Italy. And he said, basically, somebody needs to go to see Assange. And I forwarded that to Ted Malik in London. Now, that took me about 10 seconds. And I said, I don't remember that email. Well, they let me go home for 10 days. Special counsel, you know, adjourned for 10 days. I went back and finally got my 2016 emails downloaded. I found that email. I came back and I amended the testimony. I said, look, I didn't see the email. I hadn't reviewed them. Obviously, I was willing to send Malik to go to see Assange. Now, I knew Malik did not go to see Assange? I have no reason to think he did. I'm sure he didn't. And at the time I forwarded the email, I didn't think he would go to see Assange, but obviously I was willing. And so they argued, you know, the special counsel, at the end of this first day where I'd come in to cooperate. First of all, you're being interrogated. This little room, a little conference room, an interior room with no windows, no clocks in the FBI, unmarked building in Southeast Washington. They drive you from. FBI drives you from your hotel to this building. You get into the garage, you have to surrender your phones, and your laptop's got no communication. You sit in this room. There's me and my attorney against three of the prosecutors with the special counsel and up to six or more of the FBI. And they're all on one side, this army and you, Me and my attorney. Okay. We quiz for hours in this room. You can't even leave the room to go to the rest.

And you're paying for your attorney. And the government has unlimited resources and unlimited budgets, right?

Oh, absolutely. You know, and so they allowed me to mend that testimony. Now, when it came to the plea agreement, after they blew this all up, because they were mad at me. They were furious, they were lecturing me. They were acting up, they were angry, they were frowning, yawning. The special prosecutors through this last 20 hours, which was just psychological hell. So now they give me a plea that they want me. The only way I can stay out of jail, they say, is if I agree that I lied by the first day's testimony, not acknowledging that they'd allowed me to amend that testimony. Now, I thought that was totally fraudulent because I'd amended the testimony that accepted it. And it's completely unreasonable to ask me to plead to the first day's unamended testimony, which was a memory failure, not an intentional and knowing attempt to provide them false information which I knew to be false, with an attempt to deceive them. I didn't do that. You know, I'm strongly religious. And so I'd say I'm not going to put my hand on a Bible with a federal judge and swear that I lie, swear I committed a crime I didn't commit, and now become a criminal. I'm not going to do that. 72 years old, they can take me to court. And if I lose, if that's how corrupt the justice system is, I'll sit in prison until I die.

Wow. That's something. So where are you now?

Well, when this all blew up when I told them in November that I was not going to take their plea deal. Aaron Zelensky, one of the prosecutors, the youngest of them, very arrogant guy who was lecturing me about my books. I take a fact here and a fact there and weave them with lies. He's telling me all my books are lies. These are hard Hillary Clinton partisans, these three prosecutors, all of them contributing only to them Democrats, all them having worked and done work for Hillary Clinton. So Aaron Zelinsky told my attorney when I wouldn't take the plea deal, I said, well, we'll take it from here. So, you know, I still don't know. I'm still answering questions. Could dad be in prison on Christmas Day? Well, it could be. Could be arrested and hauled away to go to an arraignment. We going to lose the house?

That's a scary place to be, that's for sure.

Are we going to lose the house? Well, maybe so. I'm trying on courseenation.com to raise a legal fund, but it's very hard. If I were Peter Strozik or one of the darlings of the hard left and had a GoFundMe account, I'd have a quarter million dollars that afternoon. But, you know, raising $30,000, being conservative is very hard. Our side just does not seem to contribute. And so I'm struggling to stay afloat with the legal bills. I've raised about $35,000, but that's not enough. When the legal bills and lost income begin to amount to 100,000 or more and rapidly head towards 200,000.

Right, right. Those legal fees, what are they for? Are they strictly to deal with these depositions or are they for. I mean, you haven't tried anything. There hasn't been a trial. Trial, right.

Well, there's no depositions. It's a matter of. These are what they call a proffer. We were there.

Inquisitions.

Yeah, inquisitions. What I call better word.

Yeah.

You know, what they are, is you have to pay your attorney to prepare the case. Your attorney has to be. My attorney's in New Jersey. He's been my attorney a long time. Has to come to Washington. You have to find the hotel rooms and pay the transportation and the meals. The government reimburses you. Government rape for hotels, which doesn't do you much Good in Washington, D.C. you know, the whole thing is a costly. They attempt to bankrupt you because they know that if you are taken to trial, if you don't accept their plea deal, you're going to go to trial and then that's going to cost me maybe $2 million in lawyers.

Wow.

And see, the plea deal itself was fraudulent. They said I had to go and plead to a federal judge that I committed this crime, which I'm not going to do. And then they said, well, when will I be sentenced? I said, maybe a year from now. Well, if I don't behave and do everything they want for that year, in other words, I have to quit writing. I couldn't publish Silent no More, which is now an ebook on Amazon. I want you to read what happened to me day by day, hour by hour, so you can understand what it feels like in case it happens to you. And then, you know, I'd have to go bankrupt. And I said, well, how about if I go bankrupt, do I get I have to report to a bankruptcy judge? And so what you can't tell. This is Jeannie Rhee, who's the lead of the three prosecutors. Now. She is attorney in the same firm as Mueller. She has worked for Hillary Clinton as her lawyer, personal lawyer in the email case and then the foundation. She says Dr. Corsi can't tell the bankruptcy judge because it's going to be sealed that he's a felon until we allow him to tell the world. I said, well, also, you know, I've got securities licenses and insurance licenses. I had a large 25 year career in financial services. I still am active, created two broker dealers. So, well, you can't tell the regulators in insurance or securities either. I said, wait a minute, I've got an affirmative responsibility in these two industries and my status changes, so it might affect my ability to hold a license. I've got to report that immediately to the insurance and securities regulators. So Jeannie Rhee has just now told me, the prosecutor for Mueller, that I have to lie, admit committing a crime I didn't commit. Memory failure was not intentional presenting them false information to deceive them. It was not that I have to risk going bankrupt, change careers, be silent until they decide to prosecute me, drop out of existence and I have to preach regulations, maybe commit a crime by not reporting this.

And they know about all these interconnected dominoes. Of course that's what they're trying to do. That's how they're trying to attack you and destroy you.

Right. And so I said, this is only a criminal would structure a plea deal like this because it's an obvious attempt to silence me, to destroy me and to force me to violate further regulations. Now, if I complied with this plea deal, which I did not. Then I have the insurance regulators and the banking regulators, I mean, the securities regulators on my tail for more violations. Wow.

It's just, it's a no win scenario, isn't it?

The way I'm winning is tell them take a hike.

Yeah.

This is a fraudulent process that's predicated on. It's not a legitimate investigation. Legitimate investigation. First of all, you got a crime. Well, if I went to see Julian Assange is no crime.

Right. If you were his best friend, it's not a crime.

Not a crime. If he gave me Podesta's emails, I published them, it wouldn't be a crime. Okay, so there's no crime here. And the Russian collusion, I repeatedly said to, you know, these three prosecutors that I can prove to you that the emails were not stolen by Russia. And they said, well, first of all, Julian Assange has repeatedly said that he didn't. Russia had nothing to do with him getting the emails that were stolen from the Democratic National Committee. Why don't you prove the predicate of your investigation by going to ask Julian Assange what's his proof? Yeah, I said, secondly, that computer, the DNC email server, has been hidden away by the DNC in their office building in Washington D.C. and they wouldn't even let the FBI investigate it. You guys think it was Guccifer2 who was Russia that stole these emails? You're crazy. Lucifer2 only hacked into a different email system, the Democratic National Committee, which was called their NGP Van system that held voter and donor data. I said, you guys don't even know how the Democratic National Committee put their computers together. You can't prove a predicate crime. And you know, usually investigation starts with a crime. So you end up somebody murdered. Now you can investigate, look for a suspect. They already know who their suspect was. To start, it's Donald Trump. They want to impeach Donald Trump. And they're working backwards because they've got their theory of the crime which didn't occur. No Russian collusion. Especially if Russia didn't steal the emails. That's the whole case thrown out. So they've already got, you know, they've got to connect Roger Stone to Julian Assange to prove collusion. And they blow it up with me because I look like I wrote these emails and figured out that Assange had Podesta's emails in July and August 2016. I'll admit to haven't been able to figure that out. Connecting the dots. One of the things I've done much of my life is One of the things, I think it made me successful as an investigative journalist and author.

Connecting the dots.

Connecting the dots. And so I'm saying now, because I can't give you. I won't lie and make up a name which would be foolish to give you what you want now, you are going to take all my memory failures and try to prosecute me under a crime that doesn't define memory failures as a crime.

Well, Jerry, this is just an amazing story. I'm sure you're going to have a lot more to say about it in the coming months and years. But tell people where they can get the book and give out your website.

Well, the book is silent no more, and it's now an E book. And we rushed this ebook into print, so it's got some errors in it now, of course, I'll have to go to prison for those errors because you can't make those mistakes. The United States anymore. Not going to prison.

Yeah, sadly.

But we're going to have the. I actually recorded the audiobook, and it will be posted on Amazon momentarily. And so you can get the audiobook, which is me recording it. There won't be mistakes in that. And by the way, the ebook is a Kindle, but you can get a Kindle reader free in the App Store for either, you know, the Mac or the PC. And also Amazon will give you a free Kindle reader. The hardcover won't be out until March, but I don't want to wait that long for people to be able to read this book.

You know, I'm kind of curious. I think a lot of listeners are going to ask about that. How is Amazon giving away free Kindles?

Well, they don't give away a Kindle. They give you a Kindle reader.

Okay.

They give you an app.

Oh, you mean. You mean the app that you can use on your computer or iPad?

You can read this book on your computer.

Sure.

If you don't have a Kindle, does. You know, people think because the ebook is a Kindle, they can't buy it, but they can read it on your computer. And then, you know, the hardcover will be out in March. I didn't want to have people wait that long. And the ebook audiobook will be like a podcast. You'll be able to listen to it as any other podcast and it will be out shortly.

Right.

And I recorded it.

So you gave him the website for that.

It's on Amazon.com.

Right, right. But for your website, too?

Yeah, I think you gave it courseination.com.

Fantastic.

And I desperately if you can help help with the legal defense fund, I would really appreciate it. Corsi Nation C O r s I nation.com you can go there's three options, four options really to fund me a PayPal donor box, GoFundMe and there's a post office box if you want to send me a check. So very much appreciate any money people can contribute.

Good luck to you and thank you so much for joining us and telling this amazing story today. We really appreciate having you on.

Okay Jason, thank you very much. Great pleasure to have been with you.

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