HS 49 – “Vaccine Epidemic” with coeditor Louise Kuo Habakus, M.A.

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It's my pleasure to welcome Louise Kuo Habakkis to the show. She is the founder of the center for Personal Rights and they deal with vaccination issues and vaccination rights and I think you'll find this to be a very interesting topic which we have not covered on the show before. Louise, welcome.

Thank you. I'm delighted to be here.

Well, our pleasure to have you tell us how you came to get involved in this area. I'm assuming maybe a child and a school vaccination issue or something.

Well, I am a parent and so that is part of it and I have young children and so I've been watching and seeing how many children are receiving vaccines starting within a few hours of birth. And so there's a side that is a very personal side, but equally importantly, it's my professional experience that has informed the need for this book which I think is critically important. I come from industry, I'm a former senior corporate executive. I used to Run marketing for Putnam Investments. I was a corporate vice president for Prudential. And so I understand how companies work. I understand what they solve to in terms of a bottom line and how compartmentalized sometimes policy can be. And so putting these two perspectives together, it made me want to look at this issue as something that is positioned so differently in the media. Media than is the reality of parents today. And by that I mean that in the media you really hear about how this is parents against the science, right? That this movement is really anti vaccine. And so what I like to do when talking is first to start out by saying, I'm not anti vaccine. I'm not remotely anti vaccine. In fact, I'm, you know, as anti vaccine, as a doctor would be pro injury. Pro vaccine injury. It's ludicrous. So what I would say is that, you know, this movement is. It's mainstream, it's parental, but it's increasingly professional and there are a lot of important questions.

So babies are vaccinated within just a few hours of being born?

They are.

And polio, what else?

Well, hepatitis B, the sexually transmitted disease is the vaccine is given within hours of birth, usually the very first day of life. And, you know, that's pretty extraordinary because if you think about it, how many newborn babies are engaging in high risk activity that would involve IV drug use or sexual promiscuity?

Hopefully none. That's for sure.

Hopefully none. But I mean, I think that is a question that we need to be asking is if you look at hepatitis B or if you look at varicella for chickenpox or the flu, you know, there are a number of shots where you say these diseases don't really affect very young children. And so all vaccines aren't the same. All diseases are not deadly, and they don't affect children at the same rate. Let's start looking at them. Let's start getting underneath sort of this universal policy and asking, is there more than meets the eye?

So let me just make sure I understand your position. And I like the fact, Louise, that you said that you are not even remotely anti vaccine. Because I think a lot of people in this space are. Now, are you just saying the vaccinations are done without choice, they're done too soon right after birth, they're unnecessary, or it's just the profit motive of the vaccine companies. What's sort of the angle there, if you could go a little deeper on that?

Absolutely. Well, you know, most people don't realize unless they have young children that it's no shots, no school, and really that expands to no shots, no daycare, and no shots, no preschool. So the first thing is that here is something that is a medical intervention. It's serious, it can protect against disease, but it also can ruin lives. And by that, what I mean is that it's not disputed that some people are injured and die after vaccination. It's legally classified. The product is legally classified as unavoidably unsafe. And so they. There's a really important risk benefit calculation that needs to be made, vaccine by vaccine, disease by disease, and individual by individual, because not everybody has the same risk profile, not everybody has the same set of travel plans and behaviors and even where they live and how they sort of navigate in society. And so these are questions that parents need to be asking. When we go into the pediatrician's office, what we hear is, this is the way it's done. You must get all the shots as scheduled. This is what's recommended by the federal government. And to go against this recommendation puts your child at risk and puts society at risk. And I think that people are smarter than this. They understand that when you start looking underneath this, that there are important questions that are raised.

Sure. So what are some of the vaccine safety problems? Do you believe that vaccines cause autism? Tell us about some of those connections, if you would.

Absolutely. So chapter seven of my book is about the science. And what it does is it summarizes the state of current vaccine safety science today. And there's new peer reviewed research that has emerged in the last handful of years, two, three years, that isn't discussed in the mainstream media. And that's something that I, when I do my work, I bring it to people's attention because we are pro science and we advocate more science. So, for example, there is a meta analysis that was published by Kathryn DeSoto from the University of Northern Iowa that came out in 2010. And what she does is she reviews, she does a PubMed literature search and identifies almost 100 studies that are related to environmental toxicity, heavy metals in particular, and autism or developmental delay. And she discovers that about two thirds of those studies bear on this question of causation. Does vaccination or vaccine ingredients cause autism, for example? And what she has found is by reviewing the detailed studies, that the weight of the scientific evidence has shifted. And there is an emerging consensus that vaccination is associated with developmental delay in autism. There's another study that looks at hepatitis B, neonatal vaccination and developmental delay by Goodman and Gallagher of Stony Brook University. Also within the last couple of years. And they find that children, boys, boys in particular, who receive the hepatitis B vaccination, the series of three shots, they are associated with an 8.63 times higher rate of special needs of having a learning disability or being classified as special needs. Now, you know, those are just two studies. There are others that need to be looked at and discussed. And these are things that are hard to do in a sound bite world. But I find that what happens is people read the headlines. And so what they'll read is that, you know, vaccines found not to cause autism. And that's what was in all of the mainstream publications in 2004 when the Institute of Medicine released its 2004 recommendation or conclusion and what the IOM said. And the IOM is a private think tank organization that advises the federal government on health issues. And they concluded that there is no evidence of a causal association between vaccines and autism. And I think what's important for people to understand is no evidence of a causation is not the same as evidence of no causation.

Right. Very, very good point. Do you think that there's a, a real movement, I hate to use the word because they're so marginalized, but a conspiracy, if you will, to suppress this evidence to just make money for the pharmaceutical companies that are producing vaccines, or is it maybe less subversive than that?

You know, I don't think there's a conspiracy, but I hate the word because, you know, it makes it sound like people are sort of deviously rubbing their hands together and saying, okay, you know, let's see what we can do to further this misinformation program. And I don't think that's the case at all. But I don't think there has to be a conspiracy to have the same outcome. And by what I mean is that I believe that people are essentially well intentioned. And I think that most people, doctors included, believe that vaccines are a life saving medical intervention. And that is what they're taught in medical school. And so, you know, it's interesting, if you ask a doctor, including a pediatrician, how much they study vaccination in medical school, what they'll tell you is they spend a day or less and what they learn is what the shots are, how to give them and how to catch them up, how to catch people up if they don't get them on schedule. And so you're not getting a lot of information about new research, what's in them, the mechanism of vaccine injury, the impact on the immune system overall. And then once you become a Doctor A lot of the materials actually come from the pharmaceutical firms themselves. So, you know, I think that what you need to do is you need to look at the system. And in particular what we highlight, which I think is important is the legal system. Back in 1986, what happened was a lot of vaccine makers went to Congress and they said, we're getting sued and we're paying multi million dollar settlements to families whose children suffered massive brain damage and death following vaccination. And they said, you've got to protect us because if you don't, we're not going to be able to make these shots anymore. And so what Congress said was, oh my gosh, this is so important to the public health that we have to shield the pharmaceutical industry. Now that was one response.

But on the shield, I mean, how shielded were they? Certainly they have some liability. I mean, they're not completely immune to suit, are they?

Well, you have families of the vaccine injured, have no access to the civil courts and they have, you know, you're not part of the tort system anymore. So if you are injured or die after vaccination, your family or state must go to a special administrative program. And this program has no judge, no jury, and no normal rules of discovery that are permitted in, you know, real, in a real court. And so the idea was that this administrative program was supposed to be a streamlined, sort of make it a lot easier for people to get compensated. But what's happened is the number of vaccines have exponentially increased since this law. Right. So because, you know, what they said was if your vaccine is on the schedule, then the company has no legal liability to make safer vaccines, that you are actually, you are protected. And so it has resulted in a dramatic departure that the US has had with all the other first world countries that here we are mandating in school shots like the chickenpox vaccine and the flu vaccine in New Jersey and the human Papilloma Gardasil, you know, cervical cancer vaccine in the state of Virginia. And and so what we're finding is that there's a really dramatic rise and that's why we call the book Vaccine Epidemic. It's a provocative title. And we're not saying that vaccines are the same as deadly diseases, but what we're saying is that the increase in the number of vaccines is widespread, prevalent and unprecedented in human history. They are epidemic. So we use it as an adjective. And so we're trying to grab your attention in saying there's been a three fold increase in the number of shots that children get today. You know what's going on?

Threefold. Since when?

Since the last 25 years.

Wow. And so I mean, is your position that you're certainly not anti vaccine, as you mentioned, that all of these vaccines are necessary, but maybe later or 2/3 of them just aren't necessary at all or where do you fall on that? Or do you just not know and you're drawing attention to the problem? I mean, are there particular vaccines that you think are just inappropriate, should not be used?

So I'm not a doctor and that's why I wrote chapter 24 in the book what Should Parents Do? Because as a parent I understand how really difficult this is. Because that question you ask me, I'm asked all the time and I'm not allowed to give medical advice. And even if I was, I wouldn't give it anyway. And so what I do in the chapter is I review, I summarize eight advice books on this subject that span the gamut. And what's very interesting, if you read them, you've got one book that covers the government position that you should get all 70 doses of 16 vaccines, all the way to another doctor on the other end of the spectrum who says you shouldn't give any. Right. And then there's a lot of doctors in between that sort of pick and choose and tell you which ones they think are the critical vaccines and they don't all agree. And what you'll see as you're reading this is that there are a lot of issues that are involved in thinking about vaccination. So some doctors recommend an alternative schedule so that you spread them out and you go more slowly. And some have, you know, an alternative schedule for all the shots, but you can spread them out. And some have some that they leave out that they say are more discretionary and not as urgent. Some doctors say don't get more than one live virus vaccine at once or only one aluminum containing vaccine at once. So there are a lot of different issues that I think when people read this they say, well, wow, I didn't know that there was aluminum in vaccines.

Neither did I until you just mentioned it.

Why is it in there? How much is that? We know that aluminum is neurotoxic and it's potentially very damaging. So I guess the answer to your question is I don't believe in one size fits all medicine. And when you look at vaccination, vaccine policy is recommended. Their mandates to protect society. And they say that you need herd immunity, large numbers of people need to be vaccinated or else these diseases will come back. And what I want to say is that vaccines are temporary in their immunity. They wane. Right now, we have the children in this country are the only segment of the population that's mandated to receive these numbers of vaccines. And we have the whole burden of societal herd immunity on these little children's shoulders. And so at the level of the parents making a decision for the child, what I say is you need to put your child's health first. You're not upholding the public health first. Your responsibility, your moral obligation is to your child. So understand which vaccines you're choosing and why. Understand the risks of getting them both pro and con and make active decisions. And there are resources out there to help you, so you're not entirely on your own. There's a tremendous, there are a lot of books, there's a lot of organizations that have come up that can support parents in this. So you don't have to become a doctor in order to make this.

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What are the other options to parents, though? Chapter 20 is Forced Child removal. And I assume you're talking about schools, preschool, etc. DayC what are the other options for parents? I mean, are vaccination requirements for public schools a federally mandated thing? Is that a nationwide problem? Or can you move to a different district, say, or private school or homeschooling or what kind of options are there for parents there?

So let me just address your question about forced child removal. That's actually involving child protective services.

Oh, okay.

And that's when parents who don't vaccinate, for example, and other things, too, their kids are taken away from them and their children are removed from them. So it's a. A pretty draconian issue.

That's very draconian. In what exam? I mean, was that like a particular vaccine or how would Child Protective Services even know, would the doctor report the parent for not getting the vaccine or.

That is one. That is one circumstance. And certainly there are doctors who report families. But really, anybody can make an anonymous call to Child Protective Services.

So that would mean that the parent would have to have told somebody. Yes.

Or, you know, again, the doctor, you know, even in a privileged kind of relationship with, you know, sharing that kind of private information could do so. But that's right. That's right.

Was Child Protective Services removing for a particular vaccine or.

Well, what's happening is that we're seeing that Child Protective Services are getting involved for a variety of issues where they're determining that parents are. You know, there's medical neglect, so vaccination of a number of different vaccines. I mean, parents may not wish to give all of them, or they may not wish to give any of them. And so it could be selective or not at all. And so there isn't a particular vaccine that's uniformly involved. But additionally, what's happening is that there are a number of children with autism spectrum disorder in this country. So, you know, 1% of all American children are diagnosed with autism, and much higher rates for boys. In particular, four out of five autistic children are boys. So a number of parents are pursuing biomedical treatment. And what they're saying is that autism isn't just a mental condition, but actually they're medically ill. They have inflammatory bowel disease. They have brain inflammation, they have high levels of mercury and other environmental toxins in their bodies. And so these parents are pursuing treatments that are regarded as unorthodox by mainstream medicine. And a number of doctors are saying, you know what? I don't know how to treat your child's autism, but what you're doing is not right, that it's not proven by orthodox medicine. And they report the children to Child Protective Services. And what I just want to say to that is that there's a chapter in the book about biomedical recovery of autism, that there's a lot that's coming out that shows that children who had been previously diagnosed with autism are losing their diagnoses because of treatments that they're doing to support their bodies and actually addressing the symptoms and the disorders that they have, including, for example, gastrointestinal problems. But I want to get back to your other question.

Right, right, right.

The question about the schools, how this.

Works at the state or federal level. States mandate vaccines as a requirement for school admission. And so every state is different in terms of which vaccines they mandate. I live in New Jersey, New Jersey mandates the most shots of any state in the country, but all 50 states are mandating shots. It's just how many. And so the issue then comes to, well, if you don't want to give all the shots or if you don't want to give any, but you know, mostly parents are vaccinating, so it's selective vaccination. Then they say, well, how can, can I legally and legitimately avoid certain vaccines? And there are 20 states in the country that permit what's called a philosophical or a personal belief exemption. And what that means is that you can have just any deeply held belief, conscientious, informed belief against a vaccine or all vaccines, and you are entitled to be exempt from the state mandate. But there are only 20 states. So in New Jersey, for example, does not have the philosophical exemption. And there's the religious exemption, which New Jersey and 48 states in total have. And so parents in these states can say that they have a deeply held religious belief that's violated by vaccination. The problem, though, is that if you take a religious exemption, in essence, you're saying that you have difficulty religiously conflict with all vaccination, right? Unless you're Catholic and you have a problem, let's say, with aborted fetal tissue, or you're Jewish and you have a problem with the porcine gelatin that comes from pigs in vaccines. Most people who take a religious exemption really are technically saying that they have a problem with vaccination, the intervention as a whole. And so parents in these states are really compelled to choose all or not. And so, interestingly, by not giving choice, which most legislators and public health officials in these states think that if you don't give choice, more people will vaccinate because they can't say no. But what's happening is that when you put a gun to the parents heads and if they're really, really worried about certain vaccines, then the way that they get out of it is by choosing none.

Scary. That's probably too far to the extremism.

So what we try to tell people is that the very best medicine is when you allow parents to work with their health care providers to make individual, educated choices. And if you talk to a lot of doctors, they will say, let me work with my patients and my parents, you know, the parents of the patients, because I can talk through their concerns, I can explain to them what I think, you know, the doctor, and how best to protect their children and what makes sense and answer specific questions without having it be coercive state policy and Coercive medicine.

I have no doubt that the AMA and the FDA are two cartels that have their own agendas and so forth. I had an interesting guest on a prior show, Constitutional Lawyer, who has sued the FDA several times. And there's just a lot of conflicts of interest going on, as they are in any human organization with power and so forth. But, Louise, we've got a wrap up soon, but I'd like to ask you if, for the book, did you do any research on what happens in other countries? I mean, I know some countries model our system to some extent. What goes on with this vaccination stuff around the world? Do you know? I mean, are there any good examples out there of.

I love that you asked this question. And I think it's very important, because I alluded to this, that, you know, in 1986, when we passed that law essentially shielding pharma, what we found is that in the United States there was a dramatic departure from our first world peers. So if you look at the top 30 countries, first world countries, you'll see that when it came to the bread and butter vaccines that we know, diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis, polio and measles, mumps and rubella, we were all in sync. And then what happened was we passed this law, we protected pharma for those vaccines that went on the recommended schedule. And suddenly all these new vaccines were added to the schedule. And these are vaccines that are not routinely as recommended or mandated in these first world countries. So chickenpox rotavirus, which is diarrhea, influenza, which is extremely controversial. A lot of adults won't get that vaccine for themselves. Human papillomavirus, hepatitis A and B, the meningococcal shock. So, you know, I think it's very instructive to see how other countries, you know, handle vaccination. In Japan, for example, you know, just recently there were four deaths associated with two vaccines. And they pulled those vaccines from the market.

Wow. They're acting maybe more responsibly, huh? Yeah.

And, you know, and we don't do that. We actually say, well, there's no proof that it was the vaccine.

Interesting. Well, the website is center for Personal Rights and you have a book, of course, people can get that on Amazon and so forth. Any particular areas that people should go on the website? What are you looking for to help your cause? Tell us a little bit about it.

Thank you for asking. Yes. You know, what we're asking people to do is buy the book. And we're saying that Buying this book is an act of advocacy because these are perspectives that you won't hear in the mainstream media that help you to understand why there's so much concern about vaccination, that these are important views that are not being reflected. So we have a special website for the book. It's called vaccine epidemic.com and it's available on Amazon and in bookstores. And we're asking people to buy the book or ask their libraries to order it and just read the first 10 pages. And I think for most people, once you see the perspective, that is very responsible and measured. You know, we're not fringe, we're not freaks, we're not advocating, you know, crazy, wild things. We're saying that we understand that we all want the same thing. We want healthy society, we want healthy children, and we want good policy informed by science and ethics. And there's something for everyone in the book. There's some very scholarly kinds of articles, there's stories, personal stories that everybody can relate to. So we encourage people to read it. We think it's an important contribution to this discussion.

Fantastic. And I should mention on Amazon, you've got a lot of reviews, four and a half stars and 212 likes as well. And it's in the Kindle edition also. So if you're a Kindle or ebook readers, you can get it that way as well. Louise, thank you so much for this insight today. Appreciate having you on the show and hearing about the vaccine epidemic. Really appreciate it. There's some scary stuff going on out there and it's good to be informed, that's for sure.

Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I appreciate it.

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