LS 26 - Deborah Bayles of Neuro Vitality - Change Your View of Aging Because Retirement Can Be Hazardous to Your Health

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It's my pleasure to welcome Deborah Bales to the show. I've known Deborah for many years and she has extensive experience in technology, education and healthcare. That's how I happened to meet her because she used to teach Internet classes at UCI University of California, Irvine, and I took several classes from her and so it's great to find her many years later. And she's into something that I think you'll like. She is an E business pioneer. She's authored two best selling E business books, numerous papers and articles. She's been a keynote speaker at conferences in North America, Europe, Asia and the Caribbean. And you might be saying, well, we're going to talk about longevity today. What does this have to do with it? We're going to talk about neurovitality, how you can be smarter, how you can increase your brain power. So. She has a master's degree in psychology and is active through her company Age alliance as a certified a geriatric care manager for older adults with varying degrees of dementia. She teaches psychology online for United States University and other colleges. And she develops curricula and teaches e commerce courses for Cuesta College in San Luis Obispo, California. Deborah's interest in helping adults maintain outstanding brain function led to her recent creation of Neurovitality.com a site that will be dedicated to sharing the latest news and products in the field of longevity and brain health. Deborah, welcome. How are you?

I'm just great. Thanks for having me on the show, Jason.

Yeah, it's good to have you and give our listeners a sense of geography. Where are you located?

Well, I'm actually on the beautiful central coast of California in south San Luis Obispo County.

Good stuff, good stuff. That's a beautiful area up there.

Yeah, Perfect weather.

Yeah, it's a great place. So you have a great piece on 20 tips to keep your brain sharp and to make it sharper. And I just wanted to kind of go through some of those for the listeners, you know, and it's interesting. The first one you talk about, I think this Affects a lot more people than you might realize. And that is just prevention of brain injury.

Right, Right. You know, it's funny, when people.

Think of handy dandy brain tips to keep your brain alive, little do they realize that really the number one way to do that is to actually keep yourself from getting a head injury, a traumatic brain injury. And you can do that really easily through simply wearing a helmet. I know that sounds crazy, but.

Thousands of people each year either fall or crash or, you know, get into a traumatic accident.

Bicycles, skateboards. Don't play football. Yeah. Riding horses. There's just a million ways to do that. You know, I recently and finally, by the way, hiked Camelback Mountain here in Phoenix, Arizona. And it was a beautiful hike, but as I was coming down that mountain, there were so many chances to fall and hit your head on the rock. Right. And it just happened to a visitor here, I think last weekend. I just saw the news story that, you know, someone visiting and hiking Camelback fell and died, unfortunately. So, yeah, just. Just injury prevention is a big deal. Right.

It's huge. And especially as you're getting older, the number one cause of mortality in, in the elderly is actually falls. Because when you get brittle bones and you fall that, you know, you inevitably break a hip and then the average lifespan after that's only about six months or so.

Want to keep from falling. And so check out your home safety, you know, install handrails even if you're not that old.

I'm so glad you brought that up. That's a really interesting point. I actually did a show on that for my holistic survival show. I did an episode on it and I had the head or the founder of the, you know, I don't know, some organization like, you know, prevention of home injuries that is like the. The number one cause of death is accidents at home or accidental death or. I can't remember how they parse exactly, but, you know, people falling off ladders, just really simple stuff that you wouldn't think would. Would be big danger points, but they really can be.

Absolutely. So I put that as actually number one on this 20 tips to keep your brain sharpened. And by the way, I am happy to give out this report for free to listeners of your show.

Jason, where can they find it?

Oh, they can go out to neurovitality.

And just sign up and I'll make sure that they instantly get a copy of this.

Fantastic. So the second tip that you say, you know, the first one is one that, you know, a lot of people aren't thinking of they're thinking, okay, what kind of supplements can I take? Should I exercise? Should I do puzzles, you know, or whatever, or go to luminosity.com you know, and play the games there. But number two tip is about hormone levels, right? Tell us about hormones and the effect on our brains.

You would not believe how much your hormones actually affect your moods and your cognitive abilities. So if you're feeling sluggish or you're just feeling out of it, you're anxious, you're depressed, you're fatigued, you know, I would say one of the first things you should do is go to your doctor and get your hormones checked out. And this can happen really at any age. For example, low thyroid or hypercholester hypothyroidism is one of the largest undiagnosed.

Conditions out there in the world today. And the average conventional doctor just doesn't really know how to test for that. And so you want to go to some doctors that are a little bit more open to taking your word for it and really checking out all the symptoms. And there's much more finely tuned tests that doctors can do now to test out your thyroid other than the typical TSH testing.

Now, you know, most people, when they think of hormones, they think, you know, that's more of a female thing. Right. Is this just as true for both genders or is it more of a female thing? Or is it maybe more of a male thing? I don't know.

No, absolutely. Both genders can suffer from various hormone deficiencies. You know, of course, women entering menopause, you can get this brain fog and insomnia, you know, depression, probably from the insomnia, insomnia. But often by getting bioidentical hormone replacement, you can turn those symptoms around very, very quickly. And with men, they suffer the same kind of thing, only it's a loss of testosterone, a lowering of the testosterone levels when they get older, and they can still have depression, fatigue, low libido and not know what in the world's going on. And by simple supplementation under doctor's supervision, you can turn this around very, very quickly. And it really does affect how your cognitive skills are.

So what types of tests should people ask for from the doctor? You know, I mean, I assume that traditional Western doctors aren't going to be jumping to give you this test. You're probably going to have to push for it. Right? You know, the insurance companies probably don't want to pay for this stuff. What should we be asking for and, and what should we say to get it?

Tell us how to beat the system here?

Well, that's a good question. I would insist on your thyroid first and foremost. And then you want to check your. And ask for the more highly.

Definitive.

TSH test, and then also get your free testosterone checked, your estradiol and your progesterone levels checked, and then also have your adrenals checked as well. You know, adrenal fatigue is huge with the amount of stress going on in our lives, and that can wreak havoc with everything. And all of these hormones in the endocrine system is all linked together. And so if your adrenals are shot, then it really affects everything else.

And I gotta tell you, I've been predicting this adrenal fatigue for years, since the popularity of energy drinks. I mean, I think that people are just blowing out their adrenal glands. And interestingly, as we're talking about brain function, a lot of people, myself included, use crutches like that to get to turn the brain on and make it more active. I mean, I certainly use coffee that way. I really limit my consumption of any energy drinks. I hardly ever take those or drink them, I should say, but coffee I use quite regularly for that purpose.

Well, you know, they really have reverse of the. The warnings that they used to have on coffee. Now they're saying that a moderate amount of coffee every day is not bad for you.

Yeah, I know. It's. You just never know who to believe. You know, I don't know if it's the Coffee Industry association that's publishing those stats or, you know, it's always hard to tell, but I like it, so I'm drinking it. So. Okay, so check your hormones. What about our gut? What about our intestines, our flora and fauna?

Well, you know, tip number three, I'd say, you know, check out the internal microbiome. That's the zoo that everyone has of the microscopic flora and fauna that they're carrying around. And there's a whole new set of discoveries about the human microbiome in gut flora and how that actually affects your thinking. And they're actually even tying this into add, adhd, in some cases, autism. So what's happening is that you've got this balance that's of course, being affected by the massive amounts of antibiotics that we all take, as well as our lovely Standard American Diet, or SAD as we all call it.

Oh, I've never heard that acronym. Sad. Standard American Diet, huh?

And, you know, in my work with the elderly, one of the things that's really extremely common are urinary tract infections. And those usually involve E. Coli. And in the elderly, often the first symptoms are kind of masked. And what happens is that urinary tract infection can actually trigger dementia like symptoms or even delirium in older adults. And so one of the first things that I always ask is if an older adult is suddenly acting like they have dementia, they're forgetful, they're anxious, they're upset to have a urinary tract infection.

Tested for. And it's very simple. And the set of antibiotics can cure that right up. And elders often have them chronically and so you're always taking them back to the doctor to get those fix.

At any rate, an overgrowth of bacteria that's usually kept in check by our immune systems or an overgrowth of fungus such as Candida can also affect our moods and our cognitive abilities. So have those checked out by a physician and once again you're probably not going to be able to have your. Well, other than the UTI for Candida, a lot of physicians just don't quite get it there. But you know, a lot of Candida overgrowth is because of the heavy sugar that we're eating and so forth. So, you know, have that, have that taken a look at and also get, take a good probiotic every day to replenish those missing friendly bacteria. So it's always kind of a war, an internal war.

I think the probiotic thing is really important. I will tell you though, I was consuming a lot of Greek yogurt for a while there and one of the things I just, I couldn't believe it. I was on the cenegenics program for a year and so they were, they were sending the phlebotomist to my house and I was getting my blood tested, you know, pretty regularly. And you know, it was very annoying to always get poked in the arm, but you know, it was really telling. I mean, I'd never done that before in my life and my blood sugar was just too high with. There is so much sugar in yogurt, it's, you know, that's why it tastes so good. You know, yogurt that doesn't have the sugar, it just doesn't taste that good. Right.

Well, I'm a big fan of Trader Joe's Plain Greek Yogurt. But, but also a lot of the yogurt doesn't have the actual number. I mean, you need, you need something like 3 to 5 billion colony forming units or CFUs of these acidophilus and other types of bacteria. And so the supplements are really the best Way to take them. And when you do take them, you know, don't drink hot water immediately thereafter, because these things are alive and you don't want to boil them to death in your gut. So.

Oh, that's. That's interesting. Okay, so, yeah, no hot water. No. No coffee or hot tea or anything like that.

No chasing them down with hot beverages.

Or a bowl of soup. Yeah, okay, good. Good point. But one of the things that's interesting is I wasn't feeling very well recently. You know, I was flying and traveling, and I thought, oh, gosh, I can feel it. I might get a cold. I got to be really careful. I don't get a cold. And I walked into a gnc, and, you know, I was. I said, what do you have? And I was thinking he was going to give me echinacea, golden seal, vitamin C. And he says, no, get a probiotic. And I thought, wow, that is interesting. I'd never heard that. That kind of prescription before for that. So I think that is very important. And I take a probiotic supplement every day now. So that's our. Well, not every day. I don't do anything every day.

Well, that's a good start.

Try to do it regularly.

Well, you know, the next tip is free. It's easy, and it has scientific backing. And that is actually meditation. And, you know, a lot of people, when they think of meditation, think of, oh, you know, it's a Eastern cult or an old hippie fad or whatever. I'm going to have to become a Hindu or whatever. I don't know what they think. But the thing that you want to realize is that scientific studies, and some that are very recent.

Have proven that the various regions of the entire brain are.

Beneficially affected by meditation, especially people who have a lifelong practice of meditation. So it's free, it relieves stress. It only takes maybe start off with seven minutes a day and work up to an hour. But even seven minutes in a nice relaxed state, you don't have to say om. You can just, you know, focus on a word of your choosing. You can focus on a candle flame, whatever it might be, that's going to basically get you out of that, what I call the hamster wheel of your mind, and just relax and let yourself.

Yeah, I think that's a good idea. And there are many good apps for this type of stuff. I will not claim to be good at meditation for even a moment, but I will tell you that I found an app recently that I really like, and I'm talking about an iPhone App. They probably have it for Android too. And I don't know how to pronounce this, but it's B U D D H I F Y. Like.

Yeah, it's like Buddha buddhify. Okay. It's spelled a little differently than that, but B U D D H I F Y. And I think it was about $4 in the app store or something. And it is great. I really like this app. It has meditations for all sorts of different circumstances, different lengths. It's pretty good. So there's some good apps for that. And you know, I think let's just. We don't. I mean, enough said on the next one. Don't smoke. I mean, God, if you smoke, just stop. That's the worst thing in the world. Okay. Do not just give up smoking. You're like, your life depends on it. Because it absolutely does. Number six, drink water. You know, there's. Most people are walking around in a state of dehydration. It's terrible. Couldn't agree more. You know, Anything much to say on that?

Not really. I know that.

Sort of self evident.

Yeah, it's pretty self evident. And I know that you've been doing some reading on that whole topic with hydration and skin cells, so. Looking forward to that.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're going to have Dr. Howard Murad on an upcoming episode and he, he's got some great books out, but the, the one that I just recently finished was about water and, and you know, the hydration issues and really about how what's important is not even as much how how much water you drink or how many water rich foods you consume, but how your cells, when they're damaged and smoking, damages them by the way, for tie in how they process and hold water. That's what's important. So some good stuff coming up on that. So drink water, exercise. What about adopting a pet? There's an interesting one.

Oh, I love this one. Okay. There's been numerous studies that say that pet ownership is one of the best things you can do for your overall health, including your brain. Having a pet means you're never lonely. And for many older folks, the pets are their only family left. But pets owners are less stressed, they're happier, they're more social because they get out and walk their pets, so they've got more exercise and they meet people on the way.

Pets are great as babe magnets if you're a single guy.

And what's great about adopting a pet is not only do you save your own brain, but you save the brain and the life of the pet as well. So you're saving two brains for the price of one, so to speak. And I've got a huge white German shepherd and he is wonderful and there's just nothing like it. I'm sure you agree, Jason. You're a big animal.

Yeah. Oh, I definitely agree. I always. I've really pretty much always had dogs and I always get them from the shelter and they're just wonderful. I mean, they're the greatest. So self evident again, get a dog, you know, or a pet at least of some sort. Yeah, cats are. Cats are cool too, but dogs are. Dogs are exceptional, though. Okay, so what about sleep, Deborah? You know, of course, no one would deny the importance, but any tips on doing it more effectively?

Oh, sure, sure. And that's actually called the whole field of sleep hygiene. But sleep actually strengthens the synaptic connections while you're asleep. And REM sleep is probably the most valuable stage. And if you take sleep aids such as diphenhydramine, which, you know, Benadryl is diphenhydramine, that can be extremely dangerous, especially in older people. So you want to try to get to a point where you can fall asleep by yourself and sleep through the night without drugs. And I know you know melatonin is good. It's a natural.

Sleep aid that you can get as a supplement. But also for proper sleep, you want to make sure that your room is as dark as possible. It's on the fairly cool side, like no more than 68 degrees. You've covered up all your electronic gadgets because that blue light that comes off of those things is actually triggers your whole circadian rhythms in your brain.

And we have gotten less and less sleep as a society because we are stuck in front of our computers all day and most of the night. And that just puts out that blue light which keeps us awake even longer. So you want to actually set your alarm. I say to go to sleep versus to get up and make sure that you get seven to nine hours of sleep. And especially sleep that involves dreaming and a lot of those long term sleep aids like Ambien and things like that really do affect those REM cycles, and that's not good. So sleep is probably one of the top things you can do to keep your brain healthy.

Yeah. Okay. All right, what's next?

Well, you want to start getting, you know, make sure you get plenty of healthy omega 3 fats, and those are found in fish and actually liver, eating liver and brain. But of course, who eats liver and brain anymore? So what you probably need to do, like most of us is take a DHA supplement, which is a fish oil supplement, and make sure that the fish oil supplements are composed of mercury free, highly purified fish oil. Otherwise the stuff that you might get at, you know, your local drugstore or whatever has been sitting around and fish oil gets rancid very, very quickly. So I like to, you know, get supplements from Vitacost or Swansons or, you know, online stores and get. Carlson is a very good supplement manufacturer for, for fish oil. So just make sure that you get the really good stuff. It costs a little more, but it's much, it's just worth it.

Okay, good, good stuff. What else?

Same thing with vitamin D. You want to make sure that most people just don't get out in the sun anymore. You want to make sure that you get your vitamin D tested. And most of us need to actually take vitamin D supplements. And we're talking around 8,000 IUs per day to get the proper brain function. And there's been lots of studies, particularly in mental hospitals, about patients having much greater mood effects by taking vitamin D. They'll give those to patients and all of a sudden their depression and some of these other symptoms are.

Much less. And tip 11 is learning a musical instrument. And I don't know if you play anything, Jason, but just taking up guitar, taking up piano, anything, even the ukulele.

Is really good for teaching your brain new things. And listening to classical music, of course, has also been proven to do that or take a music theory. Anything that's new and different will actually kind of jog your brain into creating some new neural pathways.

Yeah, a variety of activities. So if you never draw, draw something. If you never paint, paint something, I think really anything except, you know, don't, don't be in too much of a routine. That's the message there, right?

Exactly, exactly. The, you know, the farther you get into a rut, the worse it is.

And on the vitamin D thing, you know, vitamin D deficiency is a big deal and it seems like not many people are paying attention to it, so, so that's important. What about vitamin B12?

B12 is huge. You know, once again, if, if you got mental fogginess, you're having memory lapses, you're having senior moments more often than usual. You really want to take a look at upping your B12 intake. And B12 is non toxic, so you know, you can give it a shot. It's not very expensive and you can feel much, much better in just a couple of days. I Know that in my own life I found that out. I found out I was extremely deficient in B12 by my physician. And for a while I actually had to give myself injections. But thankfully I don't have to do that anymore. But the turnaround was incredible. And that's all from vitamin B12. And also if you're a vegetarian, you have to know that vegetarians are at really high risk for B12 deficiency because B12 has really gained through animal proteins. It's available naturally through seafood, chicken, beef, pork, milk and eggs. Things that the average vegetarian, especially vegan, is not going to take. So.

Keep that in mind. And another wonderful supplement that's really gotten a lot of press lately is coconut oil.

Oh yeah, coconut oil seems to be a miracle in as a topical thing, as a supplement, as you know, put it in coffee, drink it. Well, and I don't want to say coconut oil, but all the products of coconut, I'll say that.

Oh, you can actually drink coconut. I mean.

Oh, just the actual oil, huh?

The actual oil. I mean it's kind of, it's a solid, it comes, you get organic coconut oil, it comes in a jar. It kind of looks like shortening. But what you do is you actually take a scoop of it or spoon of it, start out with a teaspoon, build up to about 4 tablespoons and put that into your smoothie. And that has the mid chain fatty acids and that is the mid chain triglycerides. And that goes to your brain and because your brain is mostly fat, believe it or not.

So coconut oil is really, really great. And there's actually studies of.

Scientists trying to determine whether coconut oil will delay the onset of Alzheimer's. So this could be huge. And it's certainly not bad for you. So go ahead and give that a try and you know, easy, easy fix.

Yeah, yeah. Good, good. So coconut find new adventures, volunteer, socialize. I think we kind of hit on the new adventure thing. I mean, you know, that was the, you know, don't be in the routine, expand your brain. But I want to skip ahead a couple unless you have comments on those next three. Just anything quick. Just in the interest of time, do you on those socialize, volunteer new adventures.

Those are all pretty self explanatory.

Yeah. Okay. But the next one I think the listeners are going to especially love and that is to have sex.

Yeah. I think your listeners across all your shows will be happy to implement this particular tip.

It's part of the human condition, you know, Yay.

You know, and we're Born for it. And there's a good reason for it, because when you have sex, of course it stimulates not only all your senses, but it really exercises your cardiovascular system, sends blood flow to your brain, and along with the blood flow, of course, is the vital oxygen that gets into your brain cells. So having sex and having it regularly, you know, you just tell your partner that you need to do some brain building sessions.

Yeah, there you go folks. There's your reasoning.

Yeah. For the interests of brain health.

Good. Okay, what about stereotypes?

Well, you know, it's funny, people think that when you get old, memory loss is inevitable and really nothing is farther from the truth. There are, you know, people in their 80s and 90s that are just as sharp as they were when they were much, much younger. And there are people that can actually, you know, you can actually throughout your life, through learning new things, through all of these tips that we've been talking about, can keep their brain from atrophying or from, you know, declining. So there's really no such thing as the automatic I'm old so therefore I must get dementia type of myth. And people who actually believe that myth.

You know, kind of give up and don't exercise, don't do the things that they should do. And sure enough, it's a.

Self fulfilling prophecy. So don't buy into those stereotypes is, I guess the bottom line here, you're just not doomed to, you know, doomed to losing your edge as you age.

I couldn't agree more. I mean, the whole concept of aging has changed, folks. You know, the health span is increasing massively right before our eyes. You know, I mean, except for the food and the obesity problem. Other than that, health span is increasing greatly and people are doing things at much older ages that, you know, just a couple of decades ago people would have thought possible. They would have thought you're crazy, you know, and, and if you don't, I always say this so at the risk of repeating my listeners, but if you don't believe what I'm saying, like if you don't really believe that deep down inside, all you need to do is watch some old movies. And I don't even mean that old by the way. Just watch movies from the early 80s, anywhere, in the 70s, of course, the 60s, 50s, etc. And look at how they depict a 40 year old in those movies or even television shows versus a 40 year old today. I mean, they're like just getting started. 40 is that 40 is the new 25. Okay, that's right.

60 is the new 40 totally.

It is. You do, do not succumb to any of these stereotypes. They're, they're total and you can bleep me if they want. They're bullshit, okay? They really are. So, you know, don't, don't fall for them. They're, they're just, they're just clueless, you know.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, a lot of people are starting new careers, new businesses at 60 plus and you know, more power to you. You have to do that kind of thing. The old, you know, get the goal, watch and retire thing is just not around anymore.

No, it's not. And you know what, that actually ties into some of your other points and it also ties into your last point, which I will not reveal yet. But the idea of retirement I think can be dangerous to your health because, you know, we are purpose seeking beings, aren't we, Deborah? The human being, you know, like I love this saying, the human being is the only being for whom being is an issue. Okay. And that's a good one. And that's sort of a different kind of point. But I want to, to share that quote because I think it's interesting.

That is priceless. Absolutely priceless.

Yeah, it's pretty good. So, so think about that one. Meditate on that one, listeners. But, but the other, the, the other thing is that, you know, we gotta have a purpose. With a purpose, a person can do amazing things. But as soon as you retire from either your career or life in general, it's soon as you succumb to stereotypes, as soon as you don't have new adventures and you don't expand your mind with new experiences, you're going to start aging quickly. If you don't have a purpose, you got to have a purpose. And as Viktor Frankl in his very famous work, the late Viktor Frankl discovered in his first book, Man's Search for Meaning, which is fantastic by the way, is that even if the purpose is not negative, like, you know, as he tells the story of his life in a concentration camp and how he survived it and talks about the people who didn't survive it, even if the purpose was to get revenge on the guards, that was a purpose. Okay, you gotta have a purpose. Even if it's, even if it's not considered to be a positive purpose by most people, they would say, oh, that's bad, it's a purpose. At least there's a purpose.

Okay, you know, so, you know, that's absolutely right, Jason. And you know, that pretty much takes us right to that last tip that we were talking about earlier, and that is that you've really got to discover your purpose in life and hold onto it. I put that as the last tip in this 20 tip.

Report here, because, as you said, that really sums up everything is to find your meaning in life. And people who. There's been studies that professors who go back into the class or go back to their office every single day are teaching into their late 90s because they know that they're needed. They know that their life makes a difference, that they have a meaning and a purpose to their life. And if you've given up, there were previous studies that said that people have a plan for retirement in the earlier days when they retired at 65, and the average person only lived about six months on their Social Security checks beyond that point. And then they died because they hadn't prepared for what they were going to do for the rest of their life. They had put all of their purpose into their work. They didn't have any independent meaning that they had created for their life. So that's very, very important. And as you said, that's what keeps you alive, even if your purpose is not necessarily, you know, huge life shaking or even particularly positive. At least it's a reason to live.

Right. No question about it. No question about it. But, Deborah, you know, we kind of skipped to that. But I don't want to skip number 19. I think that's a pretty good one. Using list, using mnemonics and places. Tell us about that.

Okay, well, you know, well.

The older we get, the more we have stuff to think about. And literally it's like, first in, you know, still here, first in, first out. And I use fish. First in, still here, first in, still here.

Never heard that.

Yeah, but, you know, by using lists, there's nothing wrong with that. You're not going, you know, you're not becoming demented if you have to keep copious lists. What it does is it frees up your brain to think of new things. So be a list keeper. You know, use those calendars, use those planners.

Something as simple, especially if you suffer from ADD or adhd, which, by the way, you don't grow out of, is you want to make sure that you have places in your home where you know something is always going to be. So put your keys in the dish by the door, you know, so you always know that's where your car keys are put. You know, it's kind of like my grandmother used to say, there's a place for everything and everything in its place and just by doing that simple thing, it frees you up from the anxiety and the, the, I guess, overload of your brain. So there you have it.

Yeah. One of the things I do that, you know, a few ex girlfriends have commented on is I, I really. To remind myself about things, things I, I put things in places in physical space, you know, I mean, it may sound really simple what I'm about to say, but, you know, if I need to take something with me somewhere, I put it by the door, you know, I don't know. That concept seems kind of revolutionary to some people, so.

Oh, it's absolutely true. You know, put your car keys in the refrigerator, you know, I never heard that one. So you won't forget your lunch, you know, taking your lunch.

Oh, I got it. I got it.

Not, not just to, you know, if you put your car keys in the fridge and you have no reason why, you know. Absolutely no. Then, you know, then you might want to get your.

Memory taken, you know, look at.

Good stuff. Good stuff. Well, Deborah, give out the website where people can get a copy of this report.

Sure. It is Neurovitality.com that's N E U R O V as in Victory.

I T A L I T Y.com so Neurovitality.com and it's very simple. Right now I've just made that homepage one that you just sign up and get that report immediately. And just lots of good stuff is happening in the whole field of brain health and longevity, folks.

It is an amazing time to be alive and plan to live a long time and plan to be not only have a long lifespan but a long health span. And there are a lot of tools to do that nowadays and we'll, we'll continue to highlight them on the show here. So. Deborah Bales, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you, Jason. Have a great day.

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