LS 72 - Live Better, Live Longer & The Big Five, Five Simple Things You Can Do to Live a Longer, Healthier Life with Dr Sanjiv Chopra

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Latest news in the science and technology of longevity, we're going to reveal expert advice and amazing secrets of living a longer. And now, here's your host, Jason Hartman. This is Jason Hartman. Welcome to the Longevity and Biohacking Show. Occasionally we have a guest host and today we have Fernando guest hosting for me. So I hope you enjoy this episode. It's fascinating. Dive in and enjoy and make sure you Visit us@hartmanmedia.com to check out all of our great shows and be sure you have actually subscribed to the show so you don't miss any episodes. Welcome to the Longevity and Biohacking Show. This is your host, Fernando Aries in partnership with the Hartman Media Company, filling in for Jason Hartman. This show was created to inform listeners on the important aspects of health, wealth and happiness to ensure you live life to its fullest, achieving a long lifespan along with a long health span. Today it's my pleasure to introduce Dr. Sanjeev Chopra to the show. He's a professor of medicine and former faculty dean at Harvard Medical School and a senior consultant in hematology at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. He's the number one best selling author of Dharma, Destiny and the American Dream with his brother, Dr. Deepak Chopra. Live Better, Live Longer is another book, the new studies that review what's really good and bad for your health. And the new book, the big five simple things you can do to live a longer, healthier life. Dr. Chopra has a wealth of important information and he's here to share it with us. Welcome Dr. Chopra. How are you today? And please give our audience a sense of geography by telling us where you are physically located.

Fernando, I'm delighted to be on your wonderful show. I live in Boston, Massachusetts. I've been in Boston since 1973, so a very long time. Boston is home to me now.

I know Boston quite well. I used to live nearby. That's excellent. So let's start with the early days. I'm curious. I know your father was a famous cardiologist in India. What did you learn from him? What were basically his influences on you and also on your brother, Dr. Deepak Chopra?

Fernando. Our father, Dr. Krishan Lal Chopra, was a cardiologist. He was physician to The President of India. At one time, he was a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians. He did some very interesting research, and all of those are great attributes and qualifications, but he was truly a saint. He was brilliant. And I'll tell you a very short quick story. I was 12 years of age. I played a cricket match. Saint Columbus High School in New Delhi. And on a sultry afternoon, Sunday afternoon, I fell asleep, and I woke up and I couldn't see. I was blind. So I nudged my brother. I was 12 years of age. He was 14 and a half. And I said, deepak, I can't see. And he must have done visual threat and figured that I wasn't faking it, so he started to cry. He said, I have one brother, and he's grown blind. And we were staying with our uncle and aunt in Delhi. My parents were 300 miles away. They wanted us to finish our schooling at this Irish Christian Brothers school in India, which was based in Delhi. And so my uncle took me to the military hospital. And there, the doctors didn't have the foggiest idea it was what was going on. They even talked about hysterical blindness. I was a happy kid. I was a very good student. And finally, they tracked my father. So we're talking about this is in 1961, and they tracked my father. He was in an army jeep. And very calmly, he said, tell me everything that's happened to Sanjeev in the last two months. And they said, he's been fine. He said, no, no. Tell me everything. Any injuries, any accidents? And they said, well, he actually had a laceration to his left leg about six days ago. He was taken to the casualty ward, and there he had stitches. So he asked two or three questions. He said, did he get an antibiotic? They looked in the records and said, yes. And then he said, did he get a tetanus shot? And they looked in the records and said, yes. And he said, did he get anti tetanus serum or anti tetanus toxoid? So they looked and they said he got anti tetanus serum. And I don't know how my father divined this, but he said, sanjeev is having a rare idiosyncratic reaction, occurs less than one in a million. It's a reaction to the anti tetanus serum. He has severe bilateral optic neuritis. And start an intravenous and give him massive doses of corticosteroids. So they did that. And about eight hours later, my vision returned. And. And I swore to myself, when I grow up, I'm Going to be a doctor like my dad. I've told this story, Fernando, to professors of ophthalmology at Harvard Medical School and ucla, and they go, oh, my God. This may have been a footnote in those textbooks of old. How did your father know this amazing individual? And he did that all the time. He cracked the most amazing diagnosis in people with fever of unknown origin, people with neurological disorders. And he was very compassionate and offered free care. He and my mother, to thousands of poor people, never charged a fee, served them tea and biscuits, even paid for their train fare or their bus fare to go back to their small towns.

It's amazing. Now, do you think that this has to do with the knowledge or the education that he had back in India, or is it more specific to him? In other words, do you see doctors today having this sort of, I guess, photographic memory of little footnotes?

I think it's a combination. I think the excellent knowledge he had and the education he had. But I think it's beyond that. I think some people can transcend that and they have a level of imagination or intuition that is far beyond any textbook knowledge.

Yes. Yeah, amazing. Now, you are a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and kind of the same line of thought. What do you see in the current generation of students and future doctors that show any trends? Do you see, you know, philosophical differences in how the students are learning today compared to years ago? You know, you were. You were in the trench. What do you see?

I noticed a couple of very significant differences. The first one is, back when we were medical students, it was learning by road. Okay, Here are the 40 causes of jaundice in somebody who's an adult. And here are the six most important causes of jaundice in a newborn. Now, we teach them pathophysiology. We teach them jaundice occurs when the bilirubin goes up. This is bilirubin metabolism. We present a case, and the teacher stays back and lets the students discuss it. He makes sure that one student is not dominant. These are small groups of six or eight students that they don't digress, that they suddenly don't start talking about, well, do you think this guy would need a liver transplant? And then they start talking about the cost of liver transplant. So the students are well informed. Many of them actually don't even attend lectures because everything is taped. Then they can watch it. When they're more relaxed, they can stop if they didn't understand. They can pause, they can go back, they can rewind. I think a lot of students are now going into medicine because it's a calling for them. When I ask most of my physician friends, especially in academic medical centers, how do you think of your work? You think of it as a job, a career, or a calling. Most of them say, you know what? It's a calling. I wouldn't do anything different. But one thing I'm very concerned about, and that is the rate of burnout, and not only burnout, but even suicide amongst doctors. And we need to address this. So it turns out that the rate of suicide in male doctors in our country is 1.2 times the national average. The rate in women doctors is 2.2 times. The rate in dentists is 5 times the national average. What are we doing that we've taken away the joy of practicing this most wonderful profession, which we practice to serve, to really heal, and we need to address that. And it's suddenly coming out. It's been buried. There's a stigma attached to it. Nobody talks about it. But now more and more people are starting to talk about it. And I'll predict in the next few years there'll be national international conferences, there'll be research. There'll be centers at Mayo Clinic, at Hopkins, at Harvard, which will address this in the proper way.

Now, do you see a shift in these students also toward more holistic health approaches?

I think the students of today are much more open. I have a saying that a mind is like a parachute. It only works if it's open. Yeah. Right. It's a good thing. So we used to use the word alternative medicine, and then we started using the word complementary medicine. But now the term that's been embraced is integrative medicine.

Right.

And that's what we need to do. And that's why when I wrote this book, the Big Five, it's about five things we can do to prevent a lot of the very, very common chronic conditions that plague our society.

Yeah, that's definitely something that I think once we go back to their origins, in many ways, understanding the two root causes of disease and not just address the symptoms, which is a lot of times what big Pharma concentrates on.

Sure.

You know, and there's definitely a need to do that. I also know that in your book Medical Facts and Myths, everyone should know. Can you tell us a few or some of the most important facts and myths that we should be aware of?

Yeah. So, you know, what happens is that suppose we talk about coffee and all the benefits of coffee, and that it lowers the risk of cirrhosis and five common cancers and type 2 diabetes and Alzheimer's dementia. And then an article about two and a half, three years ago in the New England Journal of Medicine that people who drink coffee, men and women, have lower total and cause specific mortality. That's mind boggling, right? That low risk of dying. If an individual who might hear this show later on goes to their primary care physician and say, I heard this guy, some professor from Harvard Med School, he's written a book and he talked about all the miraculous health benefits of coffee. That physician whom I admire and respect immensely because they're primary care and they need to know a lot of medicine and they have to take care of flu shots and mammography screening and colonoscopy. They have to know a ton of medicine, but they don't know all the literature on coffee. They're not liver experts. I'm a hepatologist. I've been interested in coffee and the liver for almost a quarter of a century. And so the usual refrain is, you know, these studies come and go, everything in moderation. And that's actually not true for coffee. So as an example, we were mystified for decades and decades. How come there's some people who drink a pint of whiskey a day and at the end of 20 years, only 20% of them are cirrhotic, what happened to the other 80%? We thought it was genes, maybe the enzyme that metabolizes alcohol. It turns out the answer is coffee. If you drink that much and have one cup of regular coffee a day, there's a 20% reduction in alcoholic cirrhosis. Two cups 40%. Four cups 80%. It's not a license to drink heavily and drink coffee. It'll protect your liver, but you can get cardiomyopathy, Korsakoff psychosis, pancreatitis, kill people on the road, lose your job, ruin your marriage, but it protects the liver and it's a dose dependent effect. And then there are mechanistic explanations. So that was the reason, you know, I wrote the other book which had something like 38 chapters, and then this one has five chapters and it's updated, there's one bonus chapter. Another myth, for example, is about vaccines causing autism, right? It's often played and it's true, we give a lot of vaccines to people right now. It's true that we are discovering autism is very common, but there is no link. The link has been debunked. The guy who wrote the paper, Wakefield, in the Lancet, has basically gone into hiding. The Lancet has retracted that paper. The British medical journal Another premier journal rebuke the editors of Lancet for publishing that paper without checking the details. And what we need is a vaccine to prevent those fears. You know, so now what happens is some pastor or priest got up and somewhere in Texas and she said, you don't need to take vaccines. God will protect you. And there was a whole outbreak of measles. Yeah, measles can cause encephalitis. So there's a fine line. Please pay attention to the doctors. You know, you got to trust them. You got to trust the data and the statistics. And so there are myths like that. The myth that we all should be taking multivitamins or that we should, if you have a cold, take vitamin C. Never proven. Never proven. Linus Pauling got two Nobel prizes and is a great advocate for high dose vitamin C. Very high doses will give you kidney stones, but will not protect you from getting a cold. The only thing that protects us from getting a cold is seven hours of solid sleep. Sleep is great for the immune system. You know, meditation will decrease your stress levels and protect you from getting a cold, will make you live longer. There are lots of myths there. They have to be debunked all the time.

And what about vitamin D? You do talk about vitamin D in your book.

Yeah. So vitamin D, I talk about coffee, exercise, vitamin D3, nuts, and meditation. And vitamin D, I think, is the only vitamin we should take. And in reality, it's not a vitamin, it's a hormone.

Right.

When we exposed to the sun at certain ultraviolet radiation, our skin makes vitamin D1. Then it's converted to D2 in the liver, and then the active one is D3, made by the kidney. And what are we finding? Our skin doctors, the dermatologists, and I give them credit for this, have done a very, very good job of telling us to use sunblock. So what's happening? We have kids playing soccer in Florida who are turning out to be vitamin D deficient.

Right.

You know, so it's an epidemic. I have colleagues at Harvard Medical School because I talk about this, and we are on flights to Singapore to teach and we talk about this topic. And some of them will come back. They've never had a vitamin D3 level checked. At my urging, they'll do it and then they'll call me. Two weeks later, they'll page me and say, guess What? My vitamin D3 level was zero. Undetectable. They're working hard. If they go to the beach, they put sunblock. It's a huge epidemic. And vitamin D is good for our Bones, it's good for our muscles. It's good for the immune system. People with high normal vitamin D3 levels live longer, lower risk of multiple sclerosis. If you already have multiple sclerosis and take extra vitamin D3, less relapse. It's an amazing vitamin. The only other vitamin we should take is if we're deficient. You're found to be anemic, and it turns out one has folic acid or B12, or during pregnancy, everyone has to take folic acid, all the women. Otherwise, there's a greater risk of neurological defects. And then if you're taking certain medications, Dilantin, methotrexate, and you have to take folic acid. But you see all these ads, you know, men over 55, women over 50, vitamin multivitamin with supplements not proven to be of benefit.

Now, do you think that the organic food movement, which is, you know, certainly that's what we. We eat at home, do the foods that are organic will supply the body with all of the nutrients that are needed and therefore there's no need for supplementation?

Yeah, that's a very good question, Fernando. I think only time will tell. And I think as the movement becomes more widespread and more and more restaurants will only serve vegetarian food, organic food, that we will then do some very good studies and check people for deficiencies and look at longevity. We know for sure that a vegan diet can actually reverse coronary atherosclerosis. You have plaques, these fatty plaques in the coronary arteries, and then it ruptures, and then you form a clot, and that occludes the coronary artery. And that's how one gets a heart attack. Dean Ordnesh has published this. He was a keynote speaker for us at a course called Current Clinical Issues in Primary Care Medicine. And he's done some amazing research where with angiography, coronary angiography, you can demonstrate that these coronary artery lesions disappear. Now, the tough thing is to be a vegan. You know, it's not convenient, it's not easy. Many of us like to eat fish or chicken or an occasional piece of steak. But I think the key for the moment is get your vitamin D3 level checked. Go see your primary care once a year, take care of your body, exercise, eat a few nuts, meditate and get a vitamin D3 level checked. And even if you're deficient, then the person needs 50,000 international units every week for about three months, and then to be on a maintenance dose, and if you're sufficient, your levels are normal. Let's say it's 20 to 60 and you are 28 or 38. You should still take 2,000 to 4,000 international units a day.

As a test case, I've been taking 5,000 IUs.

Oh, good, very good. I take the same. I take exactly the same.

I was only able to get to 32 in my level, so I doubled the dosage and I just had my blood tested and it's up to 64 now.

Yeah, very good, very good.

And there's another thing too. You know, just by the way, I.

Just want to clarify. There's no toxicity with vitamin D other than if somebody has hyperparathyroidism or sarcoidosis or by mistake. Instead of 5,000, they're taking 50,000 units every day. And that has happened at least in one patient that I know of. It's really a safe vitamin. Very, very safe.

And also, just to compliment on this, I did have my partial genome sequencing done with a company called 23andMe just recently. And they did find in my genes that there is a mutation for this particular gene that is called the vitamin D receptor gene. It's the vdr. So I do have a mutation on vitamin D receptors, which means that it's.

Even harder for higher doses.

Exactly. And by living a lifestyle indoors, it obviously makes the problem even worse.

Along with it, I also want to mention that the American Academy of Pediatrics a couple of years ago increased the recommended dose for children. They used to say take 400, now they're saying take 600 to 800.

Yeah.

So everyone's coming on board. There is a randomized placebo controlled study being done at Harvard Med School at the Brigham and Women's Hospital. NIH funded 21,000 patients, $20 million study, very expensive. So one third of the patients will get vitamin D3. I hope they're getting the right dose or a good dose. One third are getting fish oil and one third are getting placebo. And the results will come out in three or four years. But for the meanwhile, get a vitamin D3 level checked and take vitamin D3.

Couldn't agree more.

Yeah.

Now, just switching gears. In one of your talks, you discussed the microbiome as a. Basically a revolution in modern medicine. And what do you mean by this title? And how has our learning evolved to understand the interpretation?

It's amazing. You know, we've often thought of bacteria as four, Right. They can cause infections, they can kill us. They're these superbugs. But it turns out in our cavities, especially in our GI tract, there are trillions of bacteria. So I give a talk on microbiome, man and medicine and I talk about the implications of these bacteria. And it turns out that this may well be called the second human genome. We could call this the inner bacterial rainforest. It's very rich and luxurious and in aggregate, these bacteria weigh about three pounds. And their implications as to whether we are born by natural birth or C section, whether we are born in rural Iowa or New York City, whether we get antibiotics in the first six months or the first year of life or not, whether we travel to different countries, whether we have jet lag, whether we take proton pump inhibitors like Nexium and omeprazole for heartburn, billion dollar drug industry. All that affects the microbiome.

Sure.

First is the understanding what is happening in diabetes, obesity, arthritis, autism, encephalitis, liver disease. So that is already happening. Next will be therapeutic interventions. So there's one fascinating study of four identical twins from Finland, sisters where one twin is thin, one is obese. They studied the microbiome and the four obese women have very different microbiome from the bacteria in the stool of the thin women. Okay, that's interesting. Maybe it was their diet, maybe one of them got antibiotics. But here's the clever part of the study, which is why it got published in Science. So they took genetically lean mice and mixed the stool of the obese twin with the food of the mice. And these mice gained 30% body weight and develop insulin resistance. And then if they mix the stool of the lean twin and give it to these genetically lean mice in their food, they didn't gain any weight.

It restores their gut biome then.

Yeah. So this is implications. So there is a condition called clostridium difficile, which you get paradoxically from antibiotics and you can develop a bad patient, can develop a bad colitis, sometimes even fatal. And 20% of the time it's hard to get rid of this C. Diff. You know what is the best treatment right now is to take stool from the spouse. Fecal transplant. But here's a very interesting single case study where this woman had recurrent and difficult to eradicate C. Diff. And she got a stool transplant from her 16 year old daughter. It turned out the daughter over the next six months months gained 40, 50 pounds. She was on a weight gain trajectory. The recipient, the mother who got the stool transplant cured of the C. Diff infection, but over the next year also gained 45 pounds. And they did a workup. Endocrine, thyroid and steroids Cushing's disease. Nothing. The only thing that had happened was this stool transplant from her daughter, who was on a path to gaining weight. So right now we check the stool for hepatitis B, hiv, hcv. Many. Many of the academic centers now around the country are also checking the BMI of the donor to make sure that they're giving the appropriate donor stool. You don't want to take a thin patient and give them stool from a significantly obese patient. The patient gets cured of a GI infection and develops massive obesity. That creates another.

Bigger problem.

Yeah, bigger problem.

It's amazing how we go back to the basics, right? You know, if you're too clean and you don't cultivate a healthy biome, then all of these diseases come up, the body gets out of whack, and once you restore that normal position, which, you know, nature has intended for us to be exposed to all of these beneficial bacteria.

Exactly. So this is. This is. I'm so glad you mentioned this, because here's a very interesting study. If you study the microbiome of infants at age, let's say age one, those born by vaginal delivery, it is very different than those born by C section.

Yes.

And the ones born by cesarean section are turning out to have a little bit more of some of the common medical conditions. So they did a study where they had people who were delivering by cesarean section, but as soon as the baby arrived or was delivered, they swabbed the vagina of the mother and then just smeared it on the face of the newborn. And when they studied their microbiome a year later, it is virtually identical to the microbiome of children born by vaginal delivery. And so if this is proven, then even those kids born by C section, we will try and give them a much healthier microbiome and not stack the deck against them by not doing so.

Yes.

Fascinating topic.

It is. We've talked about a new book that you're coming up to finish. Can you talk about that book that's coming up in October?

Yeah. So, you know, I was invited to give a named lecture at Harvard Medical School about two or three years ago. And the person who invited me, a professor of medicine, he said, sanjeev, you have always such interesting stories to tell. So this is called the Nathan Seidel Lecture in Medicine or Humanities. And pick a topic, let me know. So I said, you know, I've been reflecting a lot about Dharma. What is our purpose? What is vocation? What is authenticity? What is truth and happiness and living with purpose? And I think the Three are inextricably linked. And so I developed a talk over six months. I gave it last year, maybe I gave it to 30,000 people around the country and in Singapore, in India, in the Bahamas, a few other countries. Then my colleagues and friends said, you write a book on this. And so I'm writing it with a friend and colleague. Her name is Gina Vild, V I L D and she's the associate Dean of External Communications and our Chief communication officer at Harvard Medical School. So the two of us are writing this book. We looked at the titles for Happiness Book and there's something like 52,000 books out there. So we decided, we, we had a little retreat with our literary agent in New York, Trident Media, Amanda o'. Connor. She's brilliant. And I quoted Mark Twain, I said, Mark Twain once said, the two most important days in your life are the day you're born and the day you find out why. And then when we googled it and put the two most important days, immediately you get this quote. So we're very likely going to call it that. And then the subtitle will be 7 Keys to Lasting Joy and Happiness. We're going to make it interactive. We're going to suggest seven TED talks, seven videos, seven poems, seven exercises. One of the key ways my reflection and talking to colleagues and doing some research is that the happiest people on this planet have sort of four things in common. The first is they have friends. Small cadre of friends. You know, your friends are your chosen family. A friend is a gift you give to yourself. The best selling author, James Roan, he says you're the average of the five people you spend the most time with.

Yes, right.

So choose your friends wisely. The second is the ability to forgive. If you don't hold bitterness or rank in your heart, you're happy. Look at Nelson Mandela, 27 years in prison. And when he's released, he's asked the question, Mr. Mandela, do you harbor resentment against your captors? He said, I have no bitterness, I have no resentment. Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies. Wow. He also said, as I walked out of the door to freedom, I looked back at my cell and I said to myself, if I still harbor bitterness, I'll still be in prison. So friends, forgiveness. The third one is a take on Albert schweitzer, Nobel laureate, 1952. Physician, theologian, humanitarian. He got the Nobel Peace Prize in 1952. And he once said, I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I'm Certain of the ones amongst you who will be truly happy are those who have sought and found how to serve. Make others happy. Do something for others. So I've distilled it to three Fs. Friends, forgiveness for others. But there's a fourth one, and it begins with G. And it's gratitude. We need to express gratitude on a daily basis. I teach a workshop with a dear friend of mine, Adrian Wilkins, and we call it Invitation to Happiness. And we give everyone who comes to the workshop a gratitude journal with their name and a pen. And people start doing what we teach them in the workshop, and then they start doing their gratitude journal. And then they call us and they say, my God, this is life changing. You know, simple things. Right. None of this is high tech. Yeah. It's not winning, you know, the lottery. 20 million dollar lottery. After three months, you're back to your baseline. A year later, you're miserable.

Yeah.

You know, you buy a new car, your new Ferrari Tesla Mansion. Yeah. You're happy for a while, then you're back to baseline. It's called hedonic Adapt.

Exactly.

Right. Right. You can be paraplegic. Like Christopher Reeves fell off his horse, hurt his neck, broke his neck. And he said later in the first year of his life, he said, this is not the way I planned life to be, but I have joy. I'm happy, you know, he was appreciating the sunset, the sunrise, the birds chirping, his friends visiting, reading a book. More than you and me. Yeah. He found joy. It's amazing. Human beings are resilient.

This reminds me, I don't know if you're familiar with John Easel. He wrote a book. He's a PhD. He wrote a book called the five secrets you must Discover before youe Die.

Oh, I have to read it.

He has very similar wise responses. He actually interviewed over 200 people that are elders. These are people who. Others said that these are people that found meaning in life. And he interviewed them and distilled that to the most important aspects of life. And they match exactly with what you. You were saying. It's a fascinating book as well. So.

Yeah. There's the other thing that five things people say. They say I should have traveled more. I should have spent more time with friends. I should have said, I love you more often. I should have been the bigger person and said, I'm sorry. I should have had the courage to pursue my dreams and aspirations. Who says these five things? These are people in hospice facing imminent death. Nobody says, I should have worked harder. I should have made more money. I should have lived in a bigger mansion. So the point of it is, we have to be doing those things now, right?

Well, Sanjeev, I feel like I could be talking to you for a long time.

Fernando. Likewise. We will catch up sometime again and do it again.

Yes. And as we come up to the end of the show, I have one final question for you, but this is very significant.

Yeah.

What are the five simple things you can do to live a longer, healthier life? I know you have that book, the big five, and you mentioned some of them. An easy way to revolve them, but can you give us a really good summary on this?

Yeah. Thank you so much. So, you know, this is the way I ask people to remember, request them to remember. I say, on a good sunny day, don't put sunblock. Go for a brisk walk to your favorite java shop and have your cup of coffee. And that first cup of coffee is, my God, the most exhilarating. And now you've got the benefit of the exercise, the vitamin D3 and the coffee. Don't go nuts remembering this. And before you go, meditate. And there's an ancient saying, you should meditate once a day, and if you don't have time to do that, you should meditate twice a day.

Very good and wise advice. Well, thank you, Sanjeev. Can you tell us, our audience, where they can find more about you, your URL?

Yeah, So I have a website, and it's simply my name. Sanjeev. San J, I V. Chopra. C, H, O P R a like one word. Sanjeev chopra.com. excellent. They can get excerpts of my talks and books and so on.

Thank you, Sanjeev, and have a great day.

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