19970208 || Kṛṣṇaloka Station (Part 2) & Bhāgavatam Class || Moscow, Russia #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

Why didn't Arjuna see any ethical or etiquette difference or border between himself and Krishna? Why was he seen sometimes to be lying on the same bedstead with Krishna, with his leg on Krishna's chest? Vanara, the moon. That's a question.

What's your good name? Wow, what a beautiful name. So this is a very esoteric question.

I think it's because the three just came across.

Normally we think of God as someone far above us in the spiritual world, on the big throne. And that's one aspect of God that is Lord Krishna's expansion. Narayana, not different from Krishna, but the supreme Lord. He's not a limited person. Sometimes he wants to come and show that he can also be very personal, loving and caring. He told Arjuna that you have taken many births and I have appeared in this world many times, but I never forget what you do. So actually, Arjuna was the cousin brother of Krishna. Cousin brother? That means like Krishna's auntie was Arjuna's mother. Krishna's uncle was Arjuna's father. So they're cousins. Sometimes we call cousins as cousin brothers. In Vedic culture, it's a very close relation to be a cousin, very similar to brothers. So some devotees are so special that Ka keeps it hidden from them that he is God. He has an illusory potency called yoga, which allows devotees just to love Ka as he is without remembering his position. This is something very interesting. All the rich people in the world, they must always wonder whether their spouse loves them or loves their money. But for Krishna, he doesn't want this position to come in the way of his loving dealings with his dear most devotees. So for some devotees who are having this very intimate relationship, they don't remember that Ka is God. This is very confusing for theists and philosophers to understand. In the Bhagavad Gita, this was revealed by Arjuna that he was doing these things. At what point, do you remember? It was in the chapter 11, the universal form. Krishna was accepted by Arjuna as a guru. Krishna said, no. Arjuna said, now I'm your disciple. I want you to instruct me what I should do, what I shouldn't do. No more friendly talks now you guide me. I'm bewildered. So then Krishna changed his mood from a friend to a guru and was instructing him on the absolute truth. Then Krishna told Arjuna, actually, I'm God. I am the supreme controller. I have just come down here in order to protect my devotees and to take away the miscreants and demonic influences of the world. I may believe you. I mean, I believe you, but maybe others won't believe you. Could you show me your universal form by which you are manifesting all the universes and within your fraction of your potency? And then Ka revealed his universal form with so much force and potency. Arjuna became frightened. Then he said that sometimes I just treated you as my brother, as my friend. We're lounging together, Lounging. Will you forgive me for any offense, any I made? Because now he was realizing Krishna's real position. So that's why Arjuna expressed all those things. That's why he didn't understand it before, because he was under that spiritual pastime potency called Yoga Maya. When we go back to the spiritual world and we take up some loving service with God, then that pastime potency of Yoga Maya helps us to integrate in KA's pastimes. So these are very esoteric topics. If you read the Ka book or the book called Teachings of Lord Caitanya, some of these things are explained. The science of God realization is something very deep and profound. And they were revealed in the west by his divine grace. Hi Krishna. Occasionally going here to say that this is such a special.

Type. Inshallah. Navasna Shilaji. What is a small is a diet prediction. If you find this question to be a confusing one, you maybe may decide not to answer it at all. But I want you to speak briefly about yourself, to describe your life.

About.

That history that happened in Spain, that incident that happened in Spain. And we lack this information in Russia. Maybe if you find it confusing, you may decide not to speak about it at all. Every representative of Krishna of of God strives, wants to carry out his own duty, his own mission, despite all the difficulties he faces. And the incident that happened in Spain seems to be a good example of this. I heard that some Muslims attempted to kill you there.

Greetings. Best wishes. We Hare Krishna. No, I've. I've personally always had really good relations with Muslims and great respect for the Holy Quran. That was. There was an incident in Spain, but I was some crazy man attack me in the airport. He was put in a sane asylum. He was feeling bad against all religion and somehow he took me as one to take out his anger. It was a great miracle of God that I was saved from such a serious danger and given more time to serve Lord Krishna in this body. Don't we feel shy to talk about ourselves? You could find out from my disciples more details. I'm here to talk answer questions about philosophy, about Ka, doubts that People might have. I appreciate your concern about me and your appreciation for everything. So I've been asked to keep all the questions very short so that many people can take advantage of this overtime period.

Hello? Hello, my name is Bertislav. I'm calling from Moscow. My question is like follows. Is there such a in order? Is there such a relationship between the piety, the level of piety of a person and the number of demons he is surrounded by? He means that the more pious a person is, the more there are more demons around him or trying to attack him.

Is that all wretches love? Well, when one is godly, then one becomes aware of the conflicting qualities of people. You can see that good qualities and bad qualities, the money qualities of people around us. The Prabhupada said we shouldn't hate a person even if they have bad qualities. You should consider those like disease. We don't hate somebody because they have a disease. We hate the disease. We want to cure the disease. So the thing is to become more spiritually strong to Ka consciousness. So you can also help the people around you overcome the influence of demonic qualities. When one is starting out in spiritual life and trying to leave the material world, grossest influences, then sometimes one is put to various tests. Doesn't want to lose a convict. If one can cross over these tests and one can achieve full liberation, one can achieve the full shelter of Lord Krishna. Ultimately, for the devotee, they find that the material world is not a suitable place to reside permanently. And if people know that someone's godly, then materialistic people think that they can cheat them easier. So some great saintly people sometimes hid their godliness from the world just to keep away such people who want to try to exploit godly people. But the real devotees recognize them as saintly people because of their those only they reveal to their very intimate associates. So, Vichestlaf, we wish you the best of good fortune and your path back home. Back to Godhead to Ka Loku. Sometime if you give a little bit of Ka Prasadam, cookies or food to some of the friends around you, you'll see that their qualities have become a little more mellowed out.

Yes, Levi Buddhist Premier Pichiyam etm. To Asakrojust.

Hare Krishna. Allah. Allah.

Well, it's better to speak in Russian, if you don't mind. My question concerns a movement that was started by a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. His name is Siddhasvarpananda. And now his followers also appeared here. They came here to Russia. Basically they follow all the things Chil Rupada used to teach. They chant 16 rounds. They follow all the four regulative principles but they do not affiliate to ISKCON and they have some enmity towards ISKCON. And one of the arguments is that spiritual masters in ISKCON are selected by GBC and that spiritual hierarchy is not that important at all. So she wants to know about the position of the people and how should we relate to them.

What's your name? Okay, I couldn't hear the Kunda or something. Oh, Lalita Kundaga. So Lalita, see if I can give an answer to this question. Usually we don't like to really make too many commentaries about other groups over the people that want to follow Srila Prabhupada. Better that they follow his instructions. Prabhupada said that he wanted everyone to stay together and cooperate in iskcon. He said the proof of how his disciples love him is how they cooperate together. How well they cooperate together and stay together after he departs. Actually, Siddha Sirupananda left Prabhupada even during his presence and don't really know much about what he's doing today. If he's following Prabhupada's principles, that's very nice. But one of the principles that Prabhupada gave is to work together as a world movement, follow that discipline. And of course Prabhupada originally gave some instruction about who should be a spiritual master and he recommended some people. And then he said that GBC could add more people later. Our principle is that in ISKCON every disciple should should become a spiritual master if they can be qualified. And the GBC is there only just to see that the minimum qualifications are met. The order has already been given by a Prabhupada. So this is now we have within ISKCON maybe over 50 spiritual masters all over the world. And in the future this number will grow and grow. We like to see many Russian spiritual masters in the future. Before one can be guru, first one has to be disciple. And part of being a disciple is to follow the orders of the guru. Yes, Sirup Hernandez, following all the other instructions of Prabhupada. Then it'd be nice if he contacted us and maybe we can have a reunity. Otherwise we really can't say whether somebody is following or not. How do we know in this kind? We know because to some extent because we're always supervising and see what people do and having annual reviews. Prabhupada said that the governing body commission should be like a watchdog and maintain the purity of ISKCON Watchdog So Lolita, let's have another person have a chance to.

My name is Alexander. I have a very short personal question. What should a disciple do if he has some. What is the word? Disqualifications according to the. In terms of astrological calculations to be managed or to be controlled, to be supervised by anybody. How can be. How can he become a disciple, Bonafire disciple, if he has these kinds of predispositions or disqualifications from astrological point of view?

Alexander. Hare Krishna, of course, astrology is telling us what kind of karmas we are coming under, what karmas our body has influencing us. Karmas that are influencing our body. And by chanting Hare Krishna and devotional service we can overcome karma. Being under the shelter of God is transcendental. Being under the protection and guidance of a spirit, spiritual master is also transcendental. So someone even who might resent some material supervision should welcome some spiritual guidance and protection. Someone who might resent material supervision.

Could.

Appreciate and accept spiritual protection and guidance. Now, in Ka Consciousness, before first one selects a spiritual master that they can put your faith in. Then they take shelter of the spiritual master as a trial, like a trial basis, doing the final testing of themselves whether they can follow the guru or not. And then only after one is convinced that yes, I can follow this spiritual master, then they ask for initiation. So it's a gradual process and one can take it step by step. And even though one might have some astrological nature, you can overcome that by the superior process of Ka Consciousness. Some people, they may not find it suitable to live in the ashram, but they can practice Ka Consciousness from their home. And Prabhupada recommended that also Devaya Ra.

Ma.

The king's residence was surrounded by gardens wherein there were varieties of trees brought from the heavenly planets. In those trees there were pairs of sweetly singing birds and almost mad bumblebees which made a very relishable buzzing sou Krishna, 4th canto 9th chapter 63rd verse. In the matter of Guru Maharaj returns home. This is describing the palace of King Uttanapada, the father of and you can see it was very opulent. Santa Yuga is millions of years ago. The four yugas are equal to 4,032,000 years, 320,000 years. The Kali Yuga is 1/10 of the four yugas or 432,000 years. 5,000 years are already up. There's another 427,000 years of Kali Yuga Twice as long as Kali yoga. Treta yoga is three times as long and SATA yoga is four times as long. So 1, 2, 3 and 4 equals 10 ayin dual PhD. So in this way it's over 3 million years ago that this could have happened if it happened at all. In this four Zuga cycle, where in one day of Rama there are how many yoga cycles? 1000. We are 27 into the 1000. So this could have also been in a previous four ludicrous Vedas are beyond the recorded history that normal lay people are referred to. The speculation of the Darwinist and the anthropologist that human beings only existed 5,000 or 6,000 or 10,000 years ago, it's not at all reasonable. Even a few days ago they found some human bones two and a half million years old. Of course, it's not likely they'll find bones of Vedic culture because everyone would burn their bodies. People generally died natural deaths. There were no car accidents. So the chances of finding any bones are extremely remote. So to these things and bones and things are not very useful. So we base our knowledge on the descending knowledge of the Vedas. They showed me a book which shows how much Vedic culture there is in Russia far before the Christians ever came. Those two words are here. The government knows what they mean. And Krishan and Vishnu are words within ancient Russian vocabulary for Krishna and Vishnu. Krishna in. Since Russia and the former Soviet Union are directly north of India, I'm sure that if a lot of research is done in a neutral way, we'll find that so many kings and remnants of agriculture, kings from Parsuram and remnants of Vedic culture will be found. So you're all descendants of ancient Vedic kings. So now you're hearing about what the old palaces used to be like. They have a lot of gardens, beautiful gardens. Even they could bring trees from the heavenly planets. That's also very interesting. That means that they could go there was interplanetary connection and that the atmosphere of heavenly planet and the atmosphere here was not so different that a plant from heavenly planet could be sustained here.

Atmosphere.

If these texts were found scratched in some cave somewhere and someone said, look at this. This shows that previously there was interplanetary connection because it's now the books for people think these books were originally all written on palm leaves and they were handed down from guru to disciple. And many of these books were not available until very recently in printed form. Actually the whole printing process was only a few hundred.

So.

We'Re very fortunate. Now Prabhupada is translating this and it's in all the different languages around the world. So we can get a much broader understanding of what is the universe we live in. Now on your way back to Garthy and she went back to Ghana. Say that you are going back to Gandhi. Then on the way you might be shown the heavenly planets with a beautiful garden, all the wonderful facilities to enjoy. And if you think wow, this is a nice place, I like to be here. All with the 10,000 year long lifespans by their years. Is that what you really want? But you know what is it? You want to end up in the heavenly planets and you want to get all the way back to go. So that we have to understand that in heavenly planets the mood is enjoying mood generally Pirates, Vishnu, Devonics enjoying work. Good people. Good people. Krishna Lok is for the holiest of Krishna now Krishna Loka. They are playing with Krishna. They see the heaven in parents. Where is Krishna?

I'm here.

Krishna. Sometimes we're elevated to heavenly planets. Sometimes we're put in hell. Just like in the old days. They used to punish criminals by dunking them in the water. Do they have that system here in Russia? They put some under the water then they wait till the bubbles come up. That means that he couldn't hold the breath any longer. Then he's just about to drown. There's only the criminals. They pull them up out of the water and you don't give it to his body. That breath of air. When you come out of the water they don't matter for the air. And the rest is more or less suffering. So here it talks about the beautiful birds. How have you done some math boards and other things. 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. So there there's one place we go to another the break which is not different from Kase. Just to the west of that Krishna There was in a time of Lord Caitanya a very big forest. When he was a student. When he was was say 11 or 12, he went there with one of his associates. He gives this the story that he and Lord Goranga were running in the forests coming back from school and there was a beautiful parrot. The Propagaya is known in Sanskrit as Sukha. You are not different from Sukhinim Goswami. But the Gopagaya instead chanted. But again the why are you doing this? But you have to deal with them. This place is not different from Vrindavan. Here you should chant the glories of Ra. Why don't you chant the glories of Radha of Krishna? The parrot spoke yes, this is not different From Vrindava there is other Krishna. Krishna and here Raha and Krishna combined as Go Ranga. Therefore if you want to chant Raha and Krishna, you chant. But I want to chant Raha and Krishna in the form of that was it. So Lord Chaitanya he wants to worship Bhagava and Krishna. But the Lord is that Govinda want to worship him as Govinda. Actually we're very fortunate. We can directly worship Bhitai and Goranga and their archaeological transform. They are so merciful to come here giving their mercy. Their petite Pavada the most merciful. But during the time of Lord Chaitanya, he wouldn't let anyone worship him. Because he was in the rule of.

Devotion.

Only on one or two occasions he was in the ecstasy of Krishna. Then he could be worshipped. Otherwise he would worship Dwightacharya because he was the godbrother of his guru. And Lord Chaitarya was initiated by so in this way they were both Qatars. So Lord Shaitanya also he was senior Vaishnava. He always offered respect. He knew this is. This is the supreme Lord. I'm the expansion of his expansion. He wanted to worship him sometimes. This gave great frustration to Advaita Chinese in America. One time Advaita Acharya started to preach Patanjaya Jali yoga system. Meditate on the super soul and do that eight for district yoga sister was asking about. He became so angry, picked up a stick, started chasing him. You stop this nonsense. You just faced your Bhakti Acharya was just laughing and rubbing. Finally you're cheating in as a junior. So it's very rare to be able to worship Lord Gomez even in his pastimes. But now we're able to at least. Although we're deprived of his association and his Prakat Leela, we are able to associate him and his Aprakat Leela. Now his pastimes are still going on. But we're not able to see him in his moving form.

You.

Great Lord. He was Gordon Ty came to see him Gonitai persistent. But we needed to know they were together for some days. You must stay here with me. Don't leave me. I cannot live without you. Friends and relationships. Friends watch. How can I stay here all? I have so many places I have to go, people I have to see. I cannot stay here all the time. Okay.

At least.

Then let me have deeds of you. How can you have DV something? I have a loading what people think if we have devious. I don't care what people think. I cannot live without you. Friendship. Mud of friendship. It's not respectful instruction, but it's a pure love with familiarity. So they find the occasion.

Okay. Okay.

This is. Nobody else should have deities. So they had them stay there and had a carpenter come and a sculptor come and carve wooden deities. Almost life, science and work are born in time. So then the dailies were finished. So then I said, okay, now we're going, we have to go. These deities are not different from you, correct? Of course. So let them go. And then they raised their hands.

And.

Then they came the deity form. And the deity form started moving and walking away. Because they became lo ch moving form and were walking away. Okay, they raised their hand. They became like really formed under them. They came moving and started walking away. So he got defeated. So Gordon and Tiny left. And Gordon and Tiny's nine different deities were there. And Gobindas would every day off cook a nice meal, nice boga and offer to serve in the deities or serving his friends. Of course we get vacate to glory gods. We worship the deities with respect. We can appreciate God. This deity worship is so special. You can appreciate how special Gauri Das Pandas deity worship was. He was helping his guru serving in the ashram. This is the ability of the disciple to help the spiritual master. When the spiritual master is physically present, we help before us. We help in his bapu seva, washing his clothes or helping him in his daily worship, whatever it might be. And when the spiritual master is not directly with us, then we have to follow his instructions. And the goal is always to please the spiritual master. That's the secret to success and devotional service. He wanted to please his guru. Some villagers approached him and said, we'd like to help to organize a nice Borg festival. So then we can bring all kinds of food grains and we'll cook a big feast. Yogurt and sweets and so many nice things. And we'll be like Kirtan planned out a whole festival. But he never asked this guru's permission. Guru was right there them a mistake. So go. And all of a sudden people start coming to bullock hearts loaded with different ingredients for the festival. So go read that as he what's going on here? Oh, I forgot to tell you. That organized one go festival. Why didn't you ask my permission? Actually, Gori Das was pleased because it was a good idea. But externally he was aiming to teach his disciple a lesson that major things like this you have to ask the guru. That's it. So he became very angry. He said no no go festival. You didn't ask permission. So there no festival. He was sitting by the signed again. He's chanting his job. But really I'm happy that things didn't work out properly. Meanwhile so many people were coming and coming and piles of provisions were being left off. If you don't have a festival, it's going to be a problem. So you call. All right, you have your festival. But in the future always ask permission. You got to finish the fasting. So then a huge kirtan and people were cooking on one side and the other side there was a big kirtan. According to us, he came out with the offerings for Lord Garanga. The big plan plate. He went into the temple here that he going to the temple with a big plate to offer to his dear friends. She put down the trait. She said, no, no. They cheating me again. Hundreds, thousands of bodies jumping, dancing in k left the altar. They were dancing in the kid time. Gory said, no, no. You're going to leave me alone. You're going to leave me alone. Go grab the stick. And he was rattling after Gory like. Get back in the temple now. Hit in the heart of Hinanda. From that time he became known. Get out. Get in the temple now. It's time for your boa. So the gordian came out of his heart, ran into the temple. Glory God was chasing punk. Pray if you leave me, I. I won't live. Don't cheat me like this. Don't run away. Offer them here. Take your. Take your lunch. After that glory God's the became very upset. So he made the order. Don't leave the door open more than a few minutes. If you go there for Darshan, they just open the door and close this thing very open and dar open the door. Devoting gods gave the order that they doesn't want Borden Thai to get too attached to any devotee may leave with them. He doesn't want Borden Thai to get too attached to any devotee. One golf and leave. Should all be very careful. Look what happened here to the gobi Nagi walked away from the temple in walked away from the temple. Remember? So you're very fortunate. You have born in Thai. Please them chant Hare Krishna before them spread their glories distributing books. We are so grateful to Prabhupada for bringing corona time to all over the world. To the western world, to here, to everywhere. How many of you feel indirectly? Prabhupada said if you feel a direction then the way you can vacate me. Is by assisting me and giving Ka consciousness to others. Everyone should remain very carefully assisting Prabhupada and his assistants, his disciples, in spreading this Krishna conscious movement. So that's the way you can express your gratitude. To grow back as well as to cooperate together. Now I have to go out. I'm flying straight to New Orleans from here. We're having a festival tomorrow with 500,000 people. Of course, it's not a Krishna conscience festival. It's a big street festival with parades and processions. We have a float, a Jagannath card that goes in the procession. When everyone sees Jagannath, they all stand. So I want to go in the tag of the blessing. I'd like to be there to participate in that ecstatic time when so many people who are lost in ignorance are able to for a moment chant Hare Krishna. Then from there I go back to India. Be there for the Gopanima festival. Anyone's going there this year to go Purnima festival. Can we tea? It was with. So I'll see you there. Yeah. And then April or May, they want me to come back here to FSU for some visits and preaching. Yeah, I tried to come here for the big festival we had. The problem was it's scheduled right at the same time as the Rafiation camp. Thank you for watching our videos. Be sure to subscribe. Subscribe to our channel. We publish new videos every day. 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