19970623-24 || Class by Gurudeva || Atlanta and Columbus #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

A 1997 recorded spiritual class (Atlanta/Columbus) by Gopal Krishna Goswami with Malati Dasi presenting teachings from Srimad-Bhagavatam and Gaudiya-Vaishnava tradition. The speakers emphasize stages of devotional life, the interplay of material modes (tamas/rajas) and Krishna's mercy, the importance of guru/vaishnava association and gratitude, practical sadhana (chanting, reading Prabhupada's books, festivals), and creative outreach to diverse communities.
In this way my mind is appreciated perspective.
You can see here how the Srimad.
Bhagavatam is very patiently taking people from a very ill paradigm.
And so that means that there's also.
There's so many people that actually they're not ready immediately to accept the personality of Godhead. It was two nights ago a couple here from Turkey, Muhammad and his wife complained on behalf of something and they have really a question, what are the deities? Because Islam deities are not well understood to say the least. Are they predominant? And there are many people for one reason. Another may have difficulty. So are there many people now they're into the more natural way, the ecological concerns. So there are many nature lovers or nature worshippers. I was on a plane with somebody who was living on the coast of Santa Monica Valley. There's a house facing the ocean. See how beautiful the sunsets were shining in her room. Really appreciate it. Well, the sunrises are really beautiful. Sunrise comes in my book, you must get up early. Many people miss the sunrise. You see the sun setting. So people, they may appreciate some of the natural beauties. And if they could actually just transfer that appreciation of nature, these are all part of Ka, then they will become a little bit Ka conscious. Prabhupada said even if the drunkard who's an alcoholic, if they understand that Ka has the sweet taste of Nicholas and if they saw the thing that they're like within this rotten, decomposed, fermented.
Distilled.
Beverage that they're drinking the essence of whatever there that they're liking is actually, then maybe they would become Krishna conscious. They could see Krishna theology. It's a very basic pits of Christian taxes. It does show that yesterday was being discussed how some were samurai discussion. Someone was mentioning how a leader was in the class or maybe it was, I can't remember exactly at this point. It did come up that some people, they find it difficult to take to Ka consciousness. Maybe one of our meetings with Balaamchipuru because they have so many attachments and that they think that in order to practice Ka consciousness I have to give up what I drink and what I eat and what I do and everything. And I think, well, it's too much for me. But if you want to get back to Krishna in one lifetime, then you have to. Certain things are detrimental. Usually there's a few rare cases of special mercy that someone got. But generally one has to give up things. Practice Ka consciousness very carefully if you want to be guaranteed to get back to Gandhi. So. But apart from that, there's no reason why everybody you cannot chant dance. Even the peak herders in Kalinigram and usually peak herders aren't vegetarian. I don't know. If they were in Kalina Grant, how would you make a living herding pig dispose of the pig. At one point, anyway, they were also chanting Hare Ka. So that was considered a glory of queen. And everybody chanted. In the future, when Rupanihati influence expands over the total greater metropolitan Atlanta area and your garbage mansions, Hare Krishna and your plumber, everybody already the mailman of chance you already got.
Then.
That'Ll be a good symptom. So we want everybody to chant. And then as they chant and gradually they can, according to whatever status they are, there's a step by step procedure given the how bring one to Ka consciousness Philosophically and practically, some people, by Ka's mercy, they advance very quickly and they can accept many of the concepts very almost immediately. For some people, not everybody is the same. Some people take much longer to contemplate. One very interesting point here is how we need to cleanse the dirty things created by tamas and rajas and how normally people who are in tamas and rajas cannot be bona fide candidates who situated in the transmutous case without realization. Then one may say, well, how then what is the hope of people in the west who are completely exaggerated in passion and ignorance? Even Karaba, when he arrived in Boston, his first observation was that these people are suffering like anything, but they're very proud of their passion. He didn't think that, oh, they're impassioning and therefore they're enjoying even though they're passionate on someone's suffering. And the way passion works is it has its ups and downs. Sometimes you're on the up and sometimes people press you down.
So those who are in the upswing.
Or they're hopeful that they're soon going to strike it rich. But those who are totally bewildered because of ignorance or combination, they may feel.
Ready, you know, they may be so.
Tremendous enthusiasm, tremendous dedication to their Sanskritification.
And then you get, you know, of.
Course the 1-800-180 trauma numbers of people who call up or trauma center and different things. They're also filled with customers. In fact, someone said we should have our own number that people can call and have devotees terms to train how to advise people how to find spiritual solutions to their problems. Bring a lot of people close to Krishna consciousness to their end of the service. But you know, those people are kind of not noticed so much. So someone may get the impression that, oh, everybody's happy. If you really know what's happening, you know, many people are suffering.
And people.
Are good at putting on a good face forward. I know that one couple one time came to see me and everybody thought they were the happiest couple, happiest married couple. Then they ask if they could have a private darshan. And they revealed that there were a lot of problems that are facing in their personal life and that they were really unhappy. And we got them to add Ka into their life. And then after that they said that they did become happy because they just rather put Krishna in their life. They could even come over the difficulties they're facing and could use Ka as a common ground for everything. And there are many cases like that principle is actually very universal. That if we practice the Bhagavat principles we share in Hare Ka Bhagavatam, then actually we do get terrified for the influence of. We come up to the platform of pure goodness and everything becomes very easy and auspicious.
Unfortunately, it's the new people that tend to often be much more submissive than.
When you tell them this. Then they tend to practice it. Sometimes the more seasoned devotees have already. When you tell them that, why don't you get back to the basics and then they'll solve their problems. And they think, well, I tried that. Whenever they don't realize or don't recognize that they might have done something, but they didn't do it right, or they were doing it for a while that time. That's why they got as far as they did. But then they started neglecting those principles and they're back into trouble. That's why we're really grateful for His Holiness Sri Krishna Maharaj, because he's such a wonderful example. He's always enthusiasing us to be very strict in all of our basic principles, actually very essential. I should actually be grateful for all the help we're giving. One of my realizations that I've been getting so many realizations is how one thing that devotees sometimes lack is simply the appreciation for all the help that they're getting from other devotees. And of course, whoever one probably feels the most gratitude for helping is the person that might become their Diksha Guru. But there are many that devotees who, through our devotional career, they help us. Some we may look to as a Sikhsha guru because we see them as representing Krishna in a very direct way. And we can say like a formal Sikhsha guru or some of you consider they just helped us in many ways. And they are more like an informal or a siksha guru or varman Pradashya guru, someone who's showing us the waiter different points. And Krishna works through them also. And Narahari Thakwa, he said actually we should respect all the Vaishnavas as a guru in the sense that everybody is teaching us in so many ways by their example and by their instruction. Then we have a unique situation where.
Mohan and he did.
They would respect their disciples as being sent by their guru.
Sometimes Rahman said that I crippled and unable to carry out the orders of.
My guru, this practitioner consciousness all over the world by myself. I should do it all single handedly.
But I'm not able to do so.
My Guru Maharaj has sent all of you to help me.
So you are all representatives of my guru.
We're sitting there, what is it? So pure devotee Uttamaki also he's learning even through his disciples. Or he is seeing this in such a humble mood that he sees everything is connected to guru and Krishna. So he's even grateful to his disciples who are actually totally dependent upon him. And with all that they couldn't do anything without his mercy. But still he is so magnanimous that he expresses gratitude just to teach us how we should be so grateful to everyone. It helps us but this contamination of passionate ignorance that sometimes makes us bewildered. And we tend to in very neophytes they tend to only see God as the most neophyte in a way. One day we would kabad in the morning walk in North Calcutta when we were living in this dharmashala in no place to stay. And we showed Karla and we got Kahigla. When Prabhupada came, he already had an apartment. So he must have shown Prabhupada where we were staying. Somehow we went to the same street where we stayed. Where I stayed for some time in the Darmstadt. Well, we had a place and we left that place. And then we lived in this Darmstadt when the communists were having the revolution against the government and they were shooting people around us. Somehow they didn't shadow.
But.
Anyway, Prabhupada was walking here with us.
He told us you can chant early.
In the morning just before everybody wakes up and chant Jijago, wake up sleeping souls. They'll wake up chanting Hare Krishna and they'll be very appreciative. I mean in India they should be appreciated when they wake up. I don't have American.
Even I think.
A guru alumni is still testing. Last night they were apparently from 10 to 1:30 having a holy, you know that holy game of throwing water on each side of the stream. I didn't hear. Somebody asked them why don't you desist? And they said Prabhupada only slept two hours. I was running this morning and someone I put buckets of water in there. They would also appreciate me. Still don't see them so many times. We're not considerate. Prabhupada, you told me once, why don't you do what I do? I want him. As far as sleeping and everything, it seemed quite impossible at that time. And it still seems quite Sunday seems quite difficult. And it's a problem. It seems that we have less than six hours of rest. You know, we don't feel of course somehow maintaining the rest now and that without ill effects. But so probably as well when we were older we need less sleep. I think there was more to it than that. Transcendental nature. He wanted us to follow this example and he wanted us to learn from what he was doing. Everything he did was teach us. So he told us directly and sometimes by example. So when he was walking on the street in North Calcutta telling us to do this early morning haram and then.
He said, oh, it's one name.
He said I know this tepoda. So he just walked into his house.
But in India walking into somebody's house.
They have a little reception room, people's halls. It was reception room. And told the servant that active leave was to put our downlet back to the dance. While a mercy imagine Prabhupada walking in your house, coming to visit without even imitating. Just according to the Vedas Ima it.
Says atiti titi actually means date.
You know, we say so atiti means without any pre fixed date, without any warning.
Someone who just shows up that is a. Also means guest.
But it really means like an unannounced guest as compared to an invited guest.
So zatiti Narayan, sometimes narayana used to.
Test his devotee or to test someone. He would take the form of somebody and just come and visit without any warning. And then they would not treat him well. Then he would reveal who he was or something. Uh oh. So that's what is the saying in Sanskrit. Atiti marayan treated atiti as if it was marion coming in disguise. You're under test. But this person, apparently that's just a normal moral standard.
That's why household is doing puja.
They're allowed to interact with pujas and things that they have guests and then. But they're supposed to fast until they finish the puja, that's their austerity. We're in the temple, we don't have to enter up. We just go on for a house. When so many emergencies, Baba was waiting the dharma, the guest, the servant. He came back and said babu, puja Kotrihar Babu is doing his puja. He was there giving commentary. He's doing puja to the Lord, the Lord sending his representative. So by serving the representative of the Lord, the Lord will be much more pleased. But he thinks I am worshipping God. Who is this? Prabhupada was giving us so many commentaries. So there's some people that only see God, okay, this is worshipping God. But he's not seeing the devotee of the Lord who's representing the Lord. Then there's someone they only see, okay, they see God and they see the guru, the only sinner.
They don't recognize.
Others who are also. Then someone as they advance and they see higher level, that's madhyamadhikali. They see the supreme person on Godhead and his representative of the gurus. They see the Vaishnavas. Do they make friends with who they associate with and get purification by the association. These innocent people that they try to preach to and bring closer to Ka. They see demons that are really in the matron try to avoid their contaminating association. So that's the madhyama.
Then you get Uttam bhagpa.
They sing everybody as a door. They sing that everybody is serving Ka. Accept themselves. Their service is reason. The problem said when you're in that particular mood and it's very hard to preach is you're so humble that you see everybody as already advanced. So actually one has to come down. Uttamakari has to come down to the Pachaman vision for preaching. As you start to discworm or may come to that vision.
Sometimes.
In their preaching they may revert to their original position. This one gets on the third part about Dhruva Maharaj. I'm feeling myself very crippled and sometimes I'm just hoping that there'll be some disciple who like drew him on us, went back to Godhead and took his mother with him. Some will get back to Godhead and take me with them. Prabhupada didn't have to say that. And I listened to. That's just like so heavy for devotee to hear such things. But it's showing his Uttamaraka revision, total humility and dependence on Ka and appreciation for everything. It's also training us how we should be so humble. And so grateful for all the help. And actually we see that the prophet one time recalled that a disciple doesn't follow the spiritual master. He termed it as a maisa. Usually think of a maisa, someone who doesn't give in charity. Someone who's like. Just recently we were reading a story about the glories of the month of Baisha in the Padma Karana. I discovered Baisha. It's a wonderful month. It's considered to be like Dhammadar month. Dhammadar month is the dearest month. It's really for devotional service. It's a month for purely ka conscious advancement. Vaisha in many Vedas this is the best month. It's the first month of the Vedic year. Not our year. Our year begins at Gora Purima. So it's one month after Go Uponima. I forget the device. I think it's called month of model. The sun in Taurus. So she was not Aries. Because I'm more advised. I know the least thing about it, whatever it is.
But anyway. And that's when Ashima Chakra does see.
His Chandan, Yatja, Akdal, Chitya, Akoi, Chitiya and many other holy. It's one of the months that if you do anything in that month you get 100 times. Especially if you bathe in holy rivers and you do charity and you do tapasyas and then you chant dance before the beauties and things like that. So bathing is a big thing I guess in India. There's a lot of holy rivers to bathing in America, you know, has to take a while to do that.
So there's this story that there was one Brahmin very rich. He was a poor Brahmin, very poor.
No money and no kids. He was feeling very frustrated. Told his wife, you know, what is the use? Everything is no money and no kids. Really. He's really bad off where they are still following their rules. He was. I don't know what's the use of the people. I really want to be a child.
Oh yeah, more money.
I can live with no child.
Who's going to do when I die?
Who's going to do the Hindi the right to me after you die. Then someone the child is supposed to do the Hindi swat which means they offer the Vishnu Prasadam to me.
The wife was very Krishna conscious and she said well, there are five kinds of children.
And only one of them actually does that. Is the childhood that born to you.
Because you've done bad karmas. Is the child born to you because.
They'Re your enemy and they pray to become a burden to you, become your.
Child, just cause you trouble.
It's called an immortal child.
Then there is a child who you.
Got because of bad karmas and just.
Karma, not vehemently never looked at you.
But just there to cause control because of your own karmas.
And there's someone that you really love.
Specifically you really harass them. So as a reaction. No, no, but that's fairly st. You.
Harass somebody or you cause pain to.
Somebody and therefore they come as your child is a reaction somehow it's a reaction, getting a reaction child.
Then there's a debtor child.
You didn't pay your debts to someone.
And therefore you owe that money. And the way that you pay them.
That is they become your child. You serve them because parents had to serve their children. How much money you spend on a child? Anybody behouses here you ever spend any money on your children?
So all these first three categories, they're.
Not grateful for all the help the parents do. They just take it for granted or even thinking, oh this is nothing. We should really be doing a lot more for this.
Then the fourth kind of child is called supuja. They are actually devotees.
They help the parents, they're grateful to.
The parents, they're looking out.
They think what can I do to reciprocate with what my parents do? I said they're very, very rare. Actually that's probably what Tan said in the West. Everybody now the modern mood is quantity of children like for America. People see the statistics, oh, too many children. We should sponsor family planning programs and give subsidized contraceptives to the third world so they stop producing so many children.
They don't think about what the moral.
Effect of that is or anything.
So.
But India Prabhupada said the Vedic culture is taught me more about the quote, quality of the child. We want a good quality in the child. That's why Garba Dhana samskara dasam samskara, doing all the samskaras to bring up the children in a ka conscious environment inside that these are so essential so that you have a suhutra or puksri, very good son or daughter who will.
Look out for you and when you die.
They don't think I have to do this ceremony to my deliver the departed soul of my mother and father who I owe so much to. Then the fifth child is called Mujo. They could care less. They're not against the parents, they're not for the parents. There's no job not worried about them. It's just there, they don't cause any trouble. They don't join neutral, totally neutral.
So they're not very useful.
It's not so useful.
So the wife was saying, so why.
Do we want a child? Look at what happened.
We don't know.
We've only got a small percentage of them. Chances are there to get had good children. There's a high risk factor. So, you know, somehow we got this far. But the husband, he wasn't listening. He said, no, no, we gotta have a kid. I really want to chi. He was really forcing me as such a Krishna have his wife just hearing the story. And she said, why don't you go to the Sishta Vishnu? There's a Sati Yuga or something. I mean, he's still around somewhere. But you don't run out. So personally see your shishista. You couldn't just like tell someone to go and see the sister.
So he was available.
Everyone knew where he was.
So he suggested if you ask him.
Then he could tell you what to do. So they.
And then he went.
Make a long story a little short. He went and saw Vasisthimuni and they had a lot of exchanges.
He finally wanted to know, why is it that I'm not having.
How can I have a child? Or why am I having a child? And then Vasishtha, being such a great mystic yogi, he could see into the past and things like that. So he said, well, the reason you're not having a child is there's a reason for that. Actually, recently, karmically, he said, in your.
Previous birth, you were a suitor.
And you were working and you had some cows and did some farming, and somehow you were selling the milk from your cows and you got some money. And then you made a good investment and you got more money and you got more money and more money. But actually you were very greedy. You were very miserable. You didn't give anything to anybody. You just hoarded all your money. You didn't even let your wife know.
Where the money was. You didn't even, you know, you just.
Everybody was like living like paupers.
You didn't get out any.
You just hired money, money, money, and.
Didn'T give anything to anybody. So that's why.
Because he was so miserable that you don't have any children, you don't have any money. This much he was. But how did I become a Brahmana? I was a sutra.
I did all those simple things.
How is it that I became a Brahmana? He said when he died, Yamadu just came and took him away. So then Vashishtis said, aha, there's also recent families that one time it's the.
Only thing what I can see in.
Your whole life, the only one thing you ever did well good. While someone, a Hare Krishna Vaishnava, Krishna Bhakta visited your house and you received.
That devotion.
Gave him a seat, gave.
Him a glass of water.
He received him what some maybe, I don't know, babe, his feet or something. I don't know exactly how much reception gave. Some reception offered some sweet words and something to eat or something, was a good host.
And then the Lord he told you.
That this is the month of Asha. So you should. It's actually four or five days left. If you bathe every day the rest of this month early in the morning.
And you pray, you'll get good fortune. So you did that.
And that's why you got so much good fortune.
And because of that little service you did to a Vaishnava, you could be.
Born as a Brahmana to continue on with your spiritual life. But because of your miserliness and because.
You didn't lose any of the good.
Things, you got in a wise way. That's why you have no children and no mother. What can I do now? She said, well, it's month of Aisha. We got about 10 days left. We go back and this time, you know, we pray and do pray that chain Hare Krishna do your morning bath and do all the things.
But it was interesting how this person.
Was so mindfully and then how, you know, so that minds that how he didn't get the next life. How little service you got so much little. One day, you know, Hare Krishna devoted this in the house.
How much should be inspiring.
How important is to visit people in their home. Aquest thing you see to they receive you bad.
But how a little gratitude, how a.
Little appreciation of somebody humbling us in our spiritual life can go such a long way.
Up to the point of course, where.
The devotees they felt so grateful that.
Srila Prabhupada they dedicate themselves, they want.
To serve Prabhupada for the whole thing and they commit and one feels grateful to the spiritual master for the help that he's giving and then dedicated to follow his instructions. But I was appreciating also just like in this festival we had here, you really have to appreciate the different devotees that did such wonderful things. Appreciate, appreciate all of the work so enthusiastically preparing everything for festival and the Team, there's a committee of 10 or nominated devotees and the team that 15 that worked from the beginning to the end. And we should be very grateful for that community. So even they didn't know how that thing was going to happen financially in other ways. But somehow their diligent enthusiasm and Krishna's mercy things happen. So we should be very grateful to those team of devotees that were working so hard. And then of course for me, my humble little service that I come and try to offer, make the offering to the deities, so grateful for Brother Rani's help to actually do it and use me as an instrument, whichever came out okay with his definite her mercy. And Donna Mt her assistant was cooking for Krishna Eternal Dan and she's coming in Panihati.
And.
Krishna Chaitanya Mah was with us and she's here in her upper Kash loop helping the devotees with their nice offerings for Born in Time. And all the devotees that helped in the very early morning. The motives are cutting and refresh days and days, preparing things and preparing the cookies and the toppings and everything actually the same. Because you see so many pots, all of a sudden you have to become think of a way that nothing gets wasted, gets out early enough that everybody used it and to get more people here to eat. But also especially Mahaguna was working so hard. At the very last, just at one point her legs came out. Just about half hour before we were earning off, I was there breaking so working very hard. So like that even I was about all the devotees we have. Allah Bhaktra said nice kirtans. But actually the kirtan, if the devotees weren't there chanting, wouldn't be as ecstatic because everybody was there chanting and dancing and getting into the kirtans. The fact that everybody came, he had to be so grateful. And it's like that when you're preaching. Sometimes you see Sukhadev Goswami thinking prickshad when I asked for his question because he didn't ask a question. Sometimes you ask the heavenly question. I don't have to think of anything now. So then, you know, then I get an opportunity to preach. But the Prickett Maharaj, he had so many questions. Because of his questions, you know, like what is the leena question for this? There are so many questions. And see what I've had. Raja wat cha. It's coming out two verses from now. The fortunate King Pariksha inquiring further, said, O Brahmana, please describe in full detail how and where the mind has to be applied and how the Conception can be fixed so that the dirty things in a person's mind can be removed. Wonderful question.
Because the question is like that. So many of our own doubts and.
Our own dirts from our 19 deeds removed. There's perfect questions and perfect answers given here in Srimad Bhagavatam. Of course, prabhupada also has.
So we have to be grateful even.
When somebody just as eager and comes forward and wants to know about Ka consciousness because it gives us an opportunity as a preacher to preach to actually by speaking about Krishna, we get purified. That's one of the shravanam kira. By doing kirtan, they get purified. And by listening, somebody gets purified. It's all part of the nine process of devotional service.
So sometimes a preacher maybe feel very.
Grateful just because somebody's there and eager to hear the person can understand what am I doing? I just did my aunt. But no, the fact that you're coming. There's so many people in my aunt.
That are not coming and they're not.
Asking or they're not showing interest. So the fact that somebody's showing interest is really makes the preacher grateful and want to help. Of course, Dennis had some people. There's a funny story where there was a lady always, every time she would. The preacher was giving fiery points and then she'd start crying and crying. He felt very grateful to vote it. Who is this person that so inspired them and preaching? Ask, you know, what is it that's inspiring you so much? How about your little beard? Ch wasn't shaving. I got all those little goatees kind of going. The little beard reminded me of my pet goat.
Every time you make a forceful point in your hand shakes and a little bust, a little. Little ear shakes.
And everything is always what it appears to be. So that's why sometimes it's not the external should show us but also I'm.
Putting it in practice.
The way you can really show your gratitude, of course, is by a committed service and a commitment to really continue helping the spiritual master. Actually, the prabhupada has given me some instructions that I don't see any way that I can fulfill these instructions without tremendous help, without total help and cooperation from my godbrothers and from all other devotees that are on his carnival to speak of, you know, those who are some or another decided to take me as a spiritual master. He wanted just like he gave the told me I've given you the kingdom of God. Not developing what the answer I have to tell the whole Society about it. But he told me also, I can't see how I can do it on my own. One time he told me, I want you to expand the Ka Conscious propaganda unlimitedly. That's a tough one. I'm a smart person, so only way I can do it is that's it. Then they're all helping Prabhupada. They're not helping me.
So.
That I think Prabhupada used to say that one should see for as a GBC is to see the world first and then your zone second. When I was seeing as a preacher, as a devotee, even as a spiritual master, you have to also see the whole world of devotees for first. And then we have to also take care of our own disciples. But I think before it was always, okay, I see my disciples first. Whatever time is left over to everybody. But actually we have a collective responsibility to see that everybody that's come to the Ka Conscious movement is able to get everything that Prabhupada wanted them to get. And then we have to specifically see our own children who are disciples. Then I was realizing how I'm feeling very grateful and feeling how wonderful all the devotees are. But somehow Krishna has brought so many wonderful devotees to this Krishna conscious movement. And how we're all together in the same boat, so to speak, here in iskcon and how isa as leaders, or asa isa as a leader, as one of the older disciples of Prabhupada personally, and I'm sure that many of the other leaders can relate with this, the feeling how such a responsibility to make all the devotees within our Krishna movement, have them develop up to their full potential, then realize all the things that Prabhupada has left for them and how to appreciate all the services that they do in the way that Prabhupada, he would appreciate everything that people did. I mean, he would appreciate. Somebody gives a story that Ramananda told how some big muscular guy walked right into the New York temple and stood there carrying a box with his shoes on. And he's standing there in front of the gaze, looking around. People said, what is going on? And Prabhupada said, welcome. Is there something he can do for you? Something you like? He said, well, I brought this for you. It was a box of toilet paper.
So, okay, you can give it to.
Him, put it over in that room. And he went, put it. And I turned it on, walked off. Prabhupada said, nice service attitude. He could have said, you know, wore his shoes in the temple or he didn't smile or whatever.
Prabhupada kicked out the one listening.
He had nice service attitude. He gave us a box of toilet paper which happened to be used. He appreciated. So Prabhupada would appreciate any little thing. Even Prabhupada when he was in South America, he asked how to say good morning in Spanish. And someone said because if I say good morning to people and they say respond, they get a blessing because Krishna is grateful that they're respecting, even showing courtesy, simple, normal courtesy. So to give them blessings he would say como esta? Buenos dias. And in America he would say good morning to people. So I don't put pictures of Krishna. So.
How much we need to be.
Grateful for all the glories and to be serving Srila Prabhupada in helping us to fulfill the orders that Prabhupada wants to do, that we should flood the inundated world with Ka Consciousness without devotees, how is it possible to do that? Even Lord Chaitanya was feeling that I'm only one gardener. If I have to pick all the fruits myself and distribute it, it'll be very difficult, very laborious and I won't know if everybody gets. Some people I think won't get it. So I want every Mahara, every human on the planet to take out Ka Consciousness and give it to everybody. So those have actually taken up the order of Otsitam. And it's something really gorgeous has feeling so grateful this year. Somehow this very appreciable. How wonderful istan devotees are. Both the congregation, those home based devotees, congregational devotees or the temple based devotees. Everyone is so glorious by championing Hare Krishna. So if you can learn to appreciate. I know as I started to get all these realizations and feeling very appreciative, I started to feel maybe for a moment this passion ignorance was a little bit reduced or something. I started to feel very blissful. I started to feel really blissful in appreciating the devotees and wanting to serve the devotees. One day I may be able to realize what it is to serve Krishna. But at least I'm starting to realize that it's very wonderful to serve the devotees. And although I didn't forget very quickly, Tamas is very eager to cover us up at any moment. You get those moments as glimpses were like that clouds clear to the sky and you start to see a big kirtan, a big festival moment. We start to feel really blissful. And that doesn't take long for the clouds to come over again and cover up the consciousness and we start thinking. And that's why it's so important to have Regala Sadhana to chant our rams very carefully to meet together. Srila Prabhupada's books. I'm restarting again reading Srila Prabhupada's books all over. I was assigned devotees in Sutra and some of the book distribution read Prabhupada books six times. But most of all is in the Kaans is Lumen. I don't know. Most, let me say at least many without getting in trouble have not definitely read all of Baba's books. And I mean some people that come for second initiation who have read Bhagavad either once or twice, not read it in the first canto. Srimad Bhagavata I know Prabhupada. He said to get initiation when I was about to had to read the Bhagavad either 10 times in the Srimand Bhaava first canto few times. And that was the best thing because I was reading all the time, every spare moment. There was no time to God said, no time to lay around or anything. It was, you know, anytime I got free from any service was reading. And Prabhupada's books give us so much wisdom. We should really go deep into the.
Books.
And just even. Although I think I must have read this tantra many times, but still somehow when you read it, you get so many new insights every time and so many new ideas. And even when I read the questions by King Parikshit, it was so moving. This time just really give the full detail how and where the mind has to be applied, how we can get the dirty things removed from the mind. It was very inspiring to see that those questions here. Parikshitu saw Vishnu in his womb when he was in the womb of his mother. He's the grandson of Arjuna. He's such a great devotee. Every day of his life he would chant Hare Ka. He'd worship Krishna in his whole kingdom chanting Hare Ka. Kali couldn't even get a finger hold in what to speak of a toehold. And he is talking about how to get the dirty things purified from our heart. He is so humble and so sincere. So we have to be very grateful to Rickshaw Maharaj for taking the sacrifice and asking all these questions. I'm very grateful to Sukhadev Goswami for having answered the questions.
I'm very thankful to Vyasadeva for having.
Them written down. We have to be thankful for Ganesha even just being described right now. So I guess if we just start to feel grateful to and not be a mindset, then actually it's only spiritual people that we could appreciate the people that have been helping us. And then if you have this and actually if you appreciate then it develops into relationships where you actually start building this spiritual bonding between people that you do appreciate and telling them I appreciate it. I go to attendant said Mahanadina Aman Mahadina. Don't expect anyone to appreciate me, but I want to offer appreciation and respect to others. Everybody was was applying that. What a wonderful association would be competition. Remember I had the opportunity to be here when Hiday I'll get you back. If you do, you can't stop me. And then I just glorify me. But then he started going around and glorifying me, which is very painful. Don't want to be anybody glorifying me. It's very wonderful to appreciate the motives. So in this world where we get agitated by passion of ignorance and if we can start to cleanse the dirty things by remembering Vishnu, we remember Vishnu's devotees.
Devotees.
That's also equally purifying.
So even if one is able to.
Remember a Vaishnava, get purified or to speak of seeing Vaishnava so chanting or even taking Tusan with them or getting the dust from their lotus feet or hearing them speak about Ka. So Vaishnavas are so purifying. All of you are Vaishnavas. And people that you come in contact with can be also brought closer to Ka if you're aware of the great even your underwear could have.
But if you're aware of the great.
Blessing that you're carrying with you and you try to represent Ka and your spiritual master and try to be.
Ka.
Conscious influence on others, then you can bring unlimited people to the Ka conscious movement. You can bring them the lotus feet of Ka or at least bring them closer to God even in their own religions. And this way you can really.
Make.
A difference in their world. Be like a touchstone for everyone you meet. They get affected and they get improved. And that's what devotees are considered like touchstones. And that's why it says Sadhusamya Sadhu samhva Sarva Sasta koi Lovamamtra Sadhusanghya Sarva Siddhimaya. One can achieve all success in spiritual life simply by even a momentary association with pure devotee. So I hope you see here take advantage. I think should be very grateful that his holiness Bir Krishna are going to be spending a lot of time here in Atlanta. He's giving so much siksha and good examples. I hope everyone is very grateful for every help he's giving and make trying to cooperate with all his desires and enthusiasm here to see this project. We gain it well, glory was here and come to new heights as well. Hare Krishna Any question? Comment the story what happened? You want to know what happened? He went back and he started chanting Hare Krishna and he bathed in the holy river and he prayed worship Vishnu in the month of Baishar. And afterwards he had four good children who were all devotees. And he chanted Hare Krishna and his wife. And they became pure devotees of Krishna and they went back to God. They stay like two hours or more. The source of all his numbers. He said there's a large community from Turkey here. It would be very nice if we.
Could cultivate the devotees.
Like in foreign countries you can't preach to Muslims, but in America you can.
And if we could have many devotees.
From Middle east, many people from Middle.
East that we could cultivate them.
Some would take a special program. That's how he got into Russia was that the devotees used to couldn't go even and preach at one point. So they would go to the ships and the sailors, they would give to all of us books and they would give to truck drivers driving into Russia any way they could get the books in there. They would just send the books and then gradually more and more people started reading them and becoming Krishna conscious. And then from that the whole Amira movement began.
The most difficult country. The only the real frontier.
To some extent we know it's like the leftover communist countries like China and Cuba, a few other, I don't know, maybe one or two North Korea or something. And then the Islamic countries, many of them are more open than others, but to a large degree it's quite restricted to preach to them. You need to have citizens, local people and you can't preach to them.
So how do you get.
But so many are studying and working in different countries so we can give that Krishna consciousness here. Maybe in the future sometime our crab would send Akaya Rishi back to Iran and he was able to establish Ka consciousness in Iran at that time. So usually it takes a local person because they know how to blend in. Yes. All right. We just went. They are so bright and so nice.
You want to go there.
They'll take the ground for 20 years out. They'll give you two or three days of conferences. They'll get as many people as you want. There they just wait because I nobody wants to. Last year the daughter of Fidel Castro.
The daughter she was making a demonstration.
From Miami boy with many quotes towards him. Demonstration against Fidel Son's daughter was coming.
CNN was the report. She was wearing a T shirt saying that may be why we're here.
It was amazing. She was very busy.
She was a CNN coverage and she was talking this.
She's the AC deal. This is the Eduardo. He can tell that he didn't keep the Jayanti at his house. Invited people. He set up already two yoga conferences, big yoga conferences. You want to go, go to the.
Seattle Ram.
It sa jam sam.
Sa.
Ram sa.
Sandict. Sometimes we hear that well this is only a house. This is small, it's not a big temple, it's the house. But if it's Ka house then we cannot limit it because Ka he can expand unlimitedly just like Vakshitanya. He talked about the spiritual tree of Bhakti, Bhakti Vriksha and how this tree of Bhakti could extend over the whole world. And that even one branch of the tree could extend over the whole universe. That every part of the tree was alive, cognizant, conscious, communicative. And that all parts of the Chi could produce fruit. And fruit was coming out from everywhere on the tree. And the International Society of Ka Consciousness or Iska was one of the branches of that tree of Bhakti. So if a tree can spread over the whole universe, then also a house of Krishna can also give shelter to Swami Hindu, right? How that is possible may not be understood simply by material logic. Because you may say, well, a limited number of people can stay in the house and visit the house. But just like if every one of you becomes spiritually empowered, then your influence can can also reach so many other people. So from a small group of people that can reach many people, there's so many even larger. Apart from that, here there's Girihara Kutu. There's a DNA of what? Krishna yogurt. A very special deity here is Ra, Krishna, Sitaram, Hanuman and Aachi as well as Narasinga Day. Whoever deity is being worshipped for eight kosha around the people get some spiritual benefit. You know how big a kosha is? Too mild. 16 Kosha is like 25km for those from Europe, 16 miles. So it's quite a big area. Just by having the deities worshipped here also during the holidays of A.D. little do the people of Columbus know that their karmas are being changed. You know, individual has got karmas Everything we do, we have two accounts. We have spiritual account and we have material account. As we deposit, as we do good things, helping others materially goes on a good account. As we do sinful things and cause harm to others, then it goes into our bad karma account and both accounts are going on simultaneously. So many people they wonder how is it that bad things happen to good people. This person has done good things while they are forced to suffer. They don't know that the account is going on simultaneously. At both the site and similarly, you also get withdrawals from both accounts. Just because you do good works, it doesn't cancel out the bad works. For good works you get good reaction. For bad works you get painful reaction. So the bad karmas you get well for the good karmas, what you get, you get Sri Janam, Sai, Swarcha, Vidya. You get opulence, material wealth and affluence. You get a good birth, aristocratic birth. You get good looks, personal beauty. You also get things like good health, education. And then bad karma is opposite. Bad health, litigation, ugly, then poor, impoverished, everything opposite. Not a good family, so many problems and the family are born in. So those two things are going on side by side. And if one doesn't cancel out the other. But Ning said this. Someone thinks I give a lot of charity, then I won't suffer for all the bad things I'm doing. That's the one that will do. You'll suffer for what you do bad, you'll enjoy for what you do good. So that's why actually in this material world it's a no win situation. Because how can anybody avoid doing something that is harmful to others? Inadvertently we do so many things which are inconsiderate others. That means that without totally beyond our control, we're going to be forced to suffer in different ways. Even we find maybe there is someone who's got all kinds of money, may be very wealthy, but then he may be having marital problems. Or maybe he gets cancer. Even sometime President United States has to go for prostate gland cancer. This bed, so many things are going on. The wife of the president, I think Reagan had to also have, she had cancer of the breast. So it's not that as big as you're rich and powerful, you don't get bad karma. How the two things are going on side by side. That's just the way it works. What is the solution? Actually the solution is we should see that beyond good and bad in the material world there's a higher spiritual, higher spiritual reality. And that spiritual reality is where we actually belong to being in Ka consciousness. So that's what we're going to discuss. How many people here chanting Ramas? How many of you chant Jat? This curious. How many belong to some non group house children? Most people, they like to avoid the suffering, like to get the happiness. But unfortunately, in the material world, it's a mix. So Lord Nityananda Guru, who's the associate of Lord Chaitanya, he had a very famous invitation. He wanted to everyone, invited everyone to give them unadulterated happiness. Material life happiness is always mixed with suffering. He wanted to give happiness which had no suffering, pure happiness which we don't have any experience of. So that pure happiness he was given through the process of patti or devotional service. Hearing, chanting, remembering. The reason that we come down into the material world from the spiritual world, the avatars of the incarnation, is to actually bring us a glimpse of what spiritual happiness is. Because we only have experience of material happiness. If somebody doesn't come and show us what is spiritual happiness, how will we know it? We have no experience. Like now. In America, you get mangoes, isn't it? They buy mangoes in the market in Mexico or somewhere, I don't know, wherever they bring it. But 100 years ago, you won't get mangoes in America. At least not this part of America. Maybe in Florida or something. Because they didn't have the shipping. All that worked out. So there's a story how in England, one English gentleman, he came back from India, he was telling his children how wonderful mango fruit is. It has some fibers in it, but it's very sweet and juicy. So the children, they couldn't figure it out, what's the taste? So then he happened to have a big beard. So he used some sugar water and he stuck the beard in the sugar water and said, if you just suck my beard, you'll understand what mango is like. You think that they got a good idea what mango is like sucking his beard. How many of you have tasted a mango? You get the same taste by sucking somebody's beard. Many people ask, what is the happiness you get out of Ka consciousness? Is it like this? Is it like that? Is it like something else? You know, is it like a roller coaster ride? Or is it like flying in a hot air balloon or. But it's not like anything like that. Something that you cannot explain. If you want to understand what it's like, you actually have to taste it. So what Caitanya Mahaprabhu did is come to give everyone a taste of what Is spiritual happiness. Maybe first of all only gets a job and realizes that. Here is the happiness that is not dependent on my senses. Because in material light, every happiness we have is simply dependent on the senses. How does it feel in terms of our senses? The five tasting, touching, smelling, seeing and hearing. But say sometimes like I personally have experienced that I one time had like 104 or 5 fever, really high fever. That's the pyramid system. So at that time though, somebody was reading Prabhupada's books to me and I was feeling so much happiness spiritually hearing Prabhupada's teaching. But physically I was having headache, body ache, fever. Physically what I was feeling was all negative. All the dials on my control panel was showing negative, negative, negative. But from the spiritual platform I was getting something very positive. Now this kind of table we can start to realize that even though I may face so many problems in material life that my spiritual happiness is not dependent on that. Spiritual happiness is something on a totally different platform because it's coming down from the soul. Now different people have different philosophies. How do we get the spiritual happiness? How do we get spiritual? There's the philosophy of the monkey, David and the philosophy of the kitten. How many of you have seen a kitten here in America? A lot of cats and kittens, right? So what is kitten philosophy?
Do you know?
The mother picks the baby up. What is that treatment like? What does the kitten have to do to get picked up?
Nothing.
Everything is done by the mother. So this is the philosophy that we are too fallen to anything. It will all be done by God. There are some born again something, I don't know some born again that claim that our flesh is weak and there's nothing we can do. Our Lord has died for us and taken all of our sins. So there is no hope of even trying to control our senses or anything. We can just do. But we just have to surrender and let go. He'll do everything. He doesn't have to do anything. So that's kitten philosophy. We don't do anything but just accept the Lord and he does everything from our side. We just go on with life as normal. Then there's the maybe monkey philosophy. You know that philosophy? Same thing. Also audio thinking. Who knows what monkey baby's life. How many have seen the baby monkey? So many have seen baby monkeys here in Columbus. How does the mother carry the baby monkey? How many hands does she have to hold the monkey as she jumps from one branch to the next of the tree?
None.
How is the Monkey baby holding on. This clings to the mother. That's the other philosophy that we have to do everything. We believe in God. But it's our hard work that is going to give us what we want. It's our endeavor. If we do our sadhana correctly that we're going to get it. God automatically gives blessings according to our own. Never. Actually both of these two philosophies are extreme. Our Param Guru Dev Siddhabh Siddhanda Saraswi Thakuri explained. Actually the real vision is something in between the two. That is like falling into the well and someone hands down a rope. If you hold on the rope, you can't get out of the well on your own. It's too deep and too steep. Someone has to push her hand down the rope. But you have to hold on to the rope. The combined effort of someone pulling you out and you holding on and trying to get out. This combined effort works. That's actually how we make advancement in Ka Consciousness. We need the rope is like the mercy of Krishna. Mercy of the Guru coming down and our holding on the rope is our endeavor to please Ka through devotional service. Both the things are required. The desire of the devotee and the mercy of the Lord. That mercy of the Lord and His devotee is a very important factor. So Lord Chaitanya, in his request that he wants everyone to be happy. He wants people to be free from the suffering of old age and death, rebirth, disease. Wants everyone to be happy by chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Kari. In order to reach that level, one needs that mercy. That's why every one of you are actually so important. Because those who are already chanting, especially those who already believe in Krishna, everyone has got wind of the seed of Ka Bhakti has been given out to the Astro Prabhupada and the gurus. And at least that preliminary seed, some preliminary awakening in the heart of the conditioned soul can be given by the contact with the devotee. Lord Chaitanya, he's ordered every person in the universe to take up except the Ka Consciousness movement and to give it to everyone without any discrimination. Without discrimination. This person of this race or that race, or this gender, or this age or this. Everyone without discrimination should get their mercy. That's words, Chaitanya's movement. You shouldn't think, well, this person doesn't look like he or she can accept Krishna consciousness. So I won't bother to ask. A bit indiscriminately, we go up to everybody and ask them to chant Hare Krishna Ask them to take a book, take prasad. And sometimes people you least expect it from turn out to be very very favorable. If you then ask them then you won't know how favorable they are. So Boruch Chaitanya, he said, I am the gardener of this Bhakti tree, the tree of Bhakti. I have to see that all the fruits are harvested and given out to everyone. But if I do it on myself then I think it will be very laborious. And then I may not be able to give everybody the fruit. Someone will get, someone won't get. Therefore I want everyone to help me. How many have come consulting yet? You know there is an Andhra Pradesh. So you know that Balaji there that for marrying Padma Bhatti largely he had to take loans from Kuya. So all the devotees are going and giving the pranami the hundi to get the blessing from Bhaji to help him pay back his debt. So that's a special way of serving the Lord in that particular temple. When Krishna came down on this earth then people could be cowherd boys and they could serve the Lord like that. When Ramchanda was present and all the monkeys got the chance to join the army with Hanuman and serve Lord God and so many people in Ayodhya. So Lord Chaitanya came down. He gave another kind of devotee opportunity to join his movement. That is, he was given a special. There is a special history. People don't know who is actually Lord Shikhan. Even in India many people don't understand that Krishna was requested by Naraguni and by Rukmini. That he had to do two things. He should know what is the mood mind of his devotee by personal experience. And he should see that the people of Kali Yuga get delivered. He promised to come down in the material world to fulfill these two purposes. There was a great devotee called Advaita Acharya who prayed to the Lord to come. And for that purpose he was fasting. He was worshipping a Shaligram siva with Ganges water and Tulasi Manjaris or special Tulsi flowers. One kind of sacred tree flower. He would be loudly crying out Krishna's name. Krishna. Krishna. Krishna.
Krishna.
Louder than that. He wanted Krishna to please come down in the material world. Because he saw that people were very materialistic. And although he was a Dwight and not different than Krishna he didn't feel strong enough to attract the minds of the people from this kind of gross materialism to a spiritual happiness. So he was praying that The Lord would come down. The Lord heard his prayer and decided to come down. And he appeared in Navati town where I lived in Mayapur. And in Mayapur, for the first 16 or 17 years, he kept himself hidden. But then he started to manifest his devotional service and showed his great devotion. So he wanted to reveal to Advaita that I am actually the person that you have requested to come. So then he told one devotee called and tell a great name, Goswami, that that Lord for whom he fasted, he cried, he worshipped, has now come. You tell him now he is here. Now it be my upper Dao. Suram Das went to see Advaita Goswami who was worshipping his deity of Shaligram in his courtyard. As soon as he came and was offered his respect, Advaita Acharya, without hearing a single word, he jumped out and he started to just like loudly talk to himself. How do I know that this is my Lord who's come? What is the proof? Many people know that I prayed with him. Maybe someone is just saying what is the truth. How do I know that he's really the Lord? Rav Das wasn't made because he hadn't said a single word. He didn't reveal why he was coming or anything. He knew that while Advaita Acharya, he's a great spiritual master, he's a bit eccentric. Hard to fathom what he's knowing or thinking. He just sat there and waited. Then Advaita sat down, said, oh, what brings you here then, Ramdas? He said, that Lord for which you have fasted, cried, shouted loudly in devotion, who you have worshiped. The shaling silent betusi against his water. That Lord is here now in Navit. My upward power is that jumping in ecstasy. He was feeling so much happiness. He said, I have brought him. I have brought him from the spiritual world. I brought him. Then suddenly his food changed in him. So how do I know? How do I know for sure that he's really an incarnation of God that's come down. You tell him I'm not going to. I'm not coming, lieutenant. What I'll do is I'll hide in the village and I'll observe. And if he's really my Lord, he'll call me up, he'll put his lotus feet on my head and he'll reveal to me his spiritual glory without me asking you tell him I'm not coming. Then he looked and then he saw that his wife, Sita Thakurani, she had a big artery Tray with all the puja articles and said, what is that for? In case he is the Lord. She'll be ready, right? She was so expert, she thought ahead. That's what the quality of a first class disciple is. To think ahead and know what the Guru wants without the Guru asks. Second class means you carry out the orders of the Guru. And the third means you carry them out but be halfway or something very not so enthusiastically and then fall in. Disciple means you don't carry out importance of Guru at all. Shiva is very expert. So they both went and they hid in the village. As soon as Ram Das came, he went and bowed down to Lord Shaitanya. He's going to tell him that well, he's not coming. But before he can say anything, Lord Shaitanya starts to call out Narai. Naray. It's a nickname for Advaita. You come here. I know you are hiding. You come here. Now Advaita was exposed. Nearly came out in his obeisances, watching. And he came, put his Lord asleep on his head. And when Advaita looked up, he saw not Lord Chaitanya in the normal way that you see a person in the material world. But he could see the Lord in his Sat Chitranda, eternal blissful form filled with spiritual knowledge. With Brahma Jyoti coming out. Effulgent, more brilliant than millions of suns. Couldn't see anything in the universe. But Lord Chaitanya at that time, spiritual vision. Then he began to worship the Lord. So many people, they don't understand how Mishna has agreed to come. He revealed his purpose that I have come here to give out my own bhakti and why I am coming disguised as a devotee. Because I want to know what the devotee is experiencing when they worship. In a nutshell, there have been more esoteric reasons, but in a simple way. So when the Lord came, he asked us right now, so what do you want? You tell me what you want. You have to ask me a gift. He said, no, you can't. That's enough now. I know you're here. You'll deliver the whole world. Now you want me. Now I want to give you a blessing. You have to tell me what you want. I'll give you a boon. So finally I'd like to say, oh, I have to ask for something that give this mercy that those people who are totally unqualified, those people who normally don't get the mercy. Because usually great saints and kings and Brahmanas and priests and yogis and so on, they always get the mercy. But when does the common man ever get the mercy? They're hopelessly fallen and entangled in their material situation. So I'm going to have pray that I want in this life. Let the people who normally don't get your mercy. Let them get the mercy first. Let them get the mercy. So Lord Chaitanya said the Tashta so dear, there are so many things that I am very qualified. I come from a good family, I come from my education. I have whatever it might be, so much spiritual credit to me. Therefore I should get Lord Chitanya mercy. That's not the qualification. One should be approaching very humbly that I have no qualification. Please give me a verse. If we approach in a humble mind, then we can get the mercy. So what? This brings us back to the original point that without discrimination, everybody, especially those who feel the most hopeless, the most unqualified, they have a claim to get the mercy first. So how many here feel highly qualified and should deserve to get the mercy? How many feel that they are very much in need of the mercy of the Lord and they're very unfortunate. Therefore they need to get the mercy very quickly. That's the proper etiquette. So it's the proud people that think they know it all. They have a hard time. But the humble people, they get their mercy very quickly.
Now.
As I mentioned that every devotee has got that mercy. They're carrying in their heart that seed and they can give that to others. Lord Srila Dhauma called it as Bhakti Motaba actually called it as a. As a medicine, energy also. Dhi Maaya Dashi Bharo Lama Mahamanchala Utumimami. Then I have brought you the medicine to antidote to kill or to eradicate the disease of ancient color. You simply take this medicine and you'll achieve all the happiness, everything, all the suffering will go. Every one of you has got that medicine. Or you can get it very easily. Here. Malaji Devi and others here are having this medicine. You can give it out to others. Now say that there's an epidemic lying around and you have the life saving medicine. But then willfully, you just don't give it to somebody. You just stand there and watch them die. Wouldn't that be very merciful or very cruel? Wouldn't that be like almost murder? That's why Lord Chaitanya, he was saying that people born in India, Bharat, Gumidri, Manusa, Janmohal, Go Jar. They should perfect their lives because they are the medicine. That's freely available. You can freely get it so easily. Someone can perfect their life and understand what is spiritual life. Then what they should do, Koro Bukhar? They should help others. One person took it out seriously. Is divine grace in the aboy charm of the Mednatta's Swami Bhopa, my spiritual master and ISKCON's founder. And therefore the whole world now has got Krishna consciousness. But his request is that everybody to their capacity take it out and give it to others. Now which direction should I go, Malati? Should I show a contact broad spectrum congregational teaching or show my outpour approach? No, I'm asking whether I should show Maya court presentation or a congregational preaching presentation depending on the audience that's here. Would you all like to see Mayaport presentations? Yeah.
Okay. Minus 2020.
You all like to speak? There are two opportunities. One is to see my outpour and the other is to discuss about how to stand the congregation of Peace.
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