2002 || Ratha Yātrā & Śrīmad Bhāgavatam || Milan, Italy #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

A recorded lecture and Q&A by Jaya Pataka Swami (Milan), teaching core Vaishnava principles: the superior purifying power of association with pure devotees compared with ritual acts (e.g., bathing in the Ganges), the importance of surrender to bona fide spiritual masters, dangers of offending devotees, and practical methods for sustaining devotional life (chanting, humility, seeking forgiveness). The talk includes scriptural citations (Bhagavad Gita, Lord Chaitanya pastimes), illustrative stories (Mother Sachi, Bhakta examples, temple miracles), and guidance for handling failures and offenses in devotional practice.
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Those great sages who have completely taken shelter of the lotus feet of the Lord can at once sanctify those who come into tattoo them. Whereas the waters of the Ganges can sanctify only after prolonged use. Report by Srila Prabhupada the pure devotees of the Lord are more powerful than the waters of the river sacred of the Ganges. One can derive spiritual benefit out of the prolonged use of the Ganges waters, but one can be sanctified at once by the mercy of a pure devotee of the Lord. Imbal Gibeh is said that any person regardless of birth of Sudra woman or merchant can take shelter from the lotus feet of the Lord and by so doing can return to Gandhi. To take shelter of the lotus feet of the Lord means to take shelter of the pure devotees. The pure devotees whose only business is serving are honored by the names Prabhupada and Vishnu Path which indicates such devotees who take shelter all the lotus feet. The pure devotees whose only business is serving are honored by their names Prabhupada, Vishnu Pan, which indicates such devotees to be representatives of the lotus feet of the Lord. Anyone therefore who takes shelter of the lotus feet of a pure devotee by accepting a pure devotee as his spiritual master can be at once purified. Such devotees of the Lord are honored equally with the Lord because they are engaged in the most confidential service of the Lord for they deliver out of the material world the fallen souls whom the Lord will wants to return home back to Godhead. Such pure devotees are better known as vice lords according to revealed scriptures. The sincere disciple of a pure devotee considers the spiritual master equal to the Lord but always considered himself to be a humble servant of the servant of the Lord. This is the pure devotional prayer. There I want to sit for a sacrifice and hear the glories of Krishna for a thousand years to hear the words of Krishna from fear to the most auspicious.
Keep on having my teacher.
So it's more purifying even than bathing in the Ganses. G is coming from the lotus feet.
Of the Lord.
And the Bhagavad Gita is coming from his Buddhist mouth. So what can bathe in Ganshi's water, you can bathe in the vibration. Both are purifying, but the association of the pure devotee is considered to be more proven. This is that the Lord Is taking complete shelter of the Lord's feet of the Lord. How much stress is here now the pure devotee is acting as representative of the lotus feet of the Lord.
In time of day service, when they're.
Fully serving the Lord and someone serves them, then they get benefit of serving Ka. And plus bonus when some of the cheer the Lord is serving the Lord, even the Lord by serving him, you get the blessing of the Lord. The word here warring the material world with the Maya Maya, Maya is trying to make us forget Krishna, to make us identify that we are the body and we're the mind. So many times we hear people say I want to be true to myself.
Becoming.
To do what I really feel like doing. But sometimes most cases that what they're saying is I want to be true to my mind, my senses. Because according to their conditioning, they have got a particular taste inclination for sense gratification. But it's not their eternal self. So in Ka consciousness we want to elevate people also to perceive their actual real self interest, the interest of the eternal spirit self. Sometimes devotees are doing devotional service on the platform of naturopath.
And.
Then when the mind start a fixed position so far right when when the mind changes, then they get off the devotional service. So if want to bring people above the mental platform to actual realization.
So.
That they can experience the nectar of Ka consciousness at every step. That describes the qualifications of such a person that they're equals under different circumstances. When they're criticized in 12th chapter Bhagavad Gita there are six verses. They say so many qualifications as someone who's dear to Christian, the ultimate goal and completely mixed in Krishna.
So.
We want everyone to reach the stage, to actually realize the transcendental bliss. They realize the exchange between Krishna and the devotee. So we need to be surveying Krishna in order to do that without trying to surrender to Krishna. We're not going to realize what this spiritual ecstasy is. If you want to test whether an experiment works in the laboratory, you have to do it. Then if it works, then you know, you realize it works. In our science laboratory they gave us some hydrogen and we would light that with a match. And after it would be like a little explosion. And then you would find water on the side of the glass. And the teacher would say hydrogen and oxygen. Oxygen produce H2O, which is water.
Yeah.
So now we want to be realized every day realizing aqua tattva and pizza tattva. So many truths that we realize knowing what to realize. So how we can realize that Krishna is giving us his mercy as we're surrendering to Krishna to his bonafide representative. And we can realize through this practical experiments of devotional service how it's working. Just like by enchanting Hare ka one's gradually able to control the mind. But this is also a science. If we commit offenses against the holy name of Laishna then we lose the the protection. So they have to very careful not to commit any offenses. Offenses are to Ras are described as Matal or mad elephant Offense.
Crazy.
So Hati means elephant. When a man elephant comes into the garden just ripping out everything pulls out the trees right from the root.
Y.
When that happens, the leaves don't dry up immediately, right? Takes a few days for them to dry up, maybe a week. But gradually because the root is pulled out from the ground they start to turn brown and they dry. When we commit offense to the Vaishnavas.
Then.
This is what happens is that our spiritual people gets uprooted. Gradually we lose a taste for our emotional service. Then material life starts to appear very attractive. Because we want to be happy, we're not giving spiritual happiness. Then we look to material happiness. And this way we can go from being in devotional service to being back into my offenses. So we need to very careful about these offenses. And if we pray to whoever we may have offended, we can get forgiven. One day Lord Chaitanya was giving all his associates blessings. Please give mother such. What do you mean? Why caregiver? She's such a great the Lord.
She'S.
Such a great devotees. She's serving all the time. The mother of the Lord, what offense has she committed? Revealed that when he used to go when he was young he go to get his brother from the country class Bhagavata took class at Adoyta chariot. And then he would end up sitting and listening to the class also. But then brother Sachi when it became the late he would start to she start to criticize the breaker chariot. Just keeping her son so late. She was feeling frightened that maybe they'll become sanyasis. She was criticizing, complaining about. So because of this she could not get love for D.
Of course she.
Was almost engaged in the loyal service. She got everything else but she didn't get long. So one day they told mother said she gotta go and get her to forgiveness from he agreed also to go along. So all of the Lord they were there. They came to see a great.
House.
So wow. What's happening? Why am I so fortunate? Everybody's here today. You see mother Sachi she's committed some offense to you and you have to forgive her. Otherwise she can't in love with for.
Bastard.
Nobody can attend me because I'm too loud to be of them. Mother Sachi is so great. She's always serving the Lord. She's always caring for him. She's Krishna conscious all of the time. Actually he started getting remembering all the wonderful pastimes of Mother Sachi and Lord Chaitanya. Then he started glorifying Mother Satchi more and more. And he's getting more and more ecstatic. Finally he got so ecstatic he fainted in ecstasy. So it was hopeless. She's never going to forgive Mother Satchi. Because he's not accepting any of them. He thinks Mother Sachi is much greater than him. So how she can attend him? So while he is unconscious of Lord, she said told her quick. Now she chance touch his Lord's feet. By touching his Lord's feet, he'll get forgiven for the offense. So she got forgiven for her offense. The previous Acharya said that even Uttar Marikari in a Mecca of devotion is mentioned. Even an Uttamarikali can fall down from his position if he offends even a Kanishta. That means an advanced dory can fall down even if they offend a neophyte. So advance devotees, they should know better than to offend anyone's. So then we're normally very careful.
You see.
But then what to speak? If that can happen to an advanced devotee, then what to speak of a neophyte aborting if they offend an advanced. So that's why we had to be.
Very careful.
To avoid these offenses. The father of Sutra Goswami, Ramah, he was abruptly removed because of offensive mentality. He didn't stand up to receive Valadi. He thought he was a guru. I don't have to stand up for anyone benefit. Oh Lord, if Lord himself comes, then you have to stand up your ambassador. You may be the big person in the embassy, but if the president of the country comes, then you become like the servant.
So.
This way, Ramasha, he didn't give respect and he was removed. And Sutra Goswami was put in his place. So now everyone's appreciating as a devotee. The Ganga was also mentioned. We bathed in the Ganges many times and gradually it changes our mentality.
Gan.
But mentality to again commit more sins doesn't change so fast. Gradually, by bathing in the Ganthis, you become more and more attracted to Ka and become less attached to material life. But it may take considerable time to fully have that effect. But if one has association with the pure devotee, that change may happen even immediately. There are some devotees who are naturally prabhupada and they have immediate change of their ideas. He changed the mentality of Megrari the hunter in one one Darshan. Hello, Hare Krishna. Sometimes the spiritual master has to accept respect from the disciples. Because that's part of his responsibility.
To.
Think that it's actually all meant for Krishna. In this way, the pure devotee always protects himself from this dangerous. If one isn't careful, even if there appears, then this is like a science. It will have its effect. There was a lady in my airport. She was praying to the. She was. The doctors told her that she was going blind. Going blankets. She went to the Nashena deities just to say, this may be the last darshan I have of you. Then that night, Nasinya day came in a dream and told her that before they had the red eyes and you took my red eyes were taken and green eyes and put in the place. If the red eyes are put back, you can have back your eyesight.
Yellow.
It was yellow spread.
Jewish.
That's his angry wood he's looking for. So they put back the red eyes. Everyone could realize the mercy of Lord Jaganna. Lord. So many pastimes happen with these deities. Everyone realizes that they're very powerful leaders. Many miracles happened. Sometimes three students came. But there was at that time no electricity. And the G V had burnt out just when they came. So the temple was dark.
President.
They got there. I couldn't see anything. It was all dark. They started criticizing. There's no juggernaut here. The way I watch here for nothing. This is just a plot. Listen, the micro to Then all of.
A sudden.
Big flame like a gas flame shoot out from the. From the giwick from the lamp. The Pujari was sitting there. You boys just criticize the Lord.
Look at.
He's doing a miracle just to give you his passion. There's no more He. There's no more weak. They're just coming out the lamp, the light. By the Lord's mercy. So they started paying their obeisances again and again. And circumvented the deity and please forgive me. So sometimes the Lord gives some special mercy just to instill faith in the devotees and to give them some special benediction like that. There's hours and hours of pastimes that happen with his feelings. Somehow or another, by practicing Krishna consciousness. We need to realize this science. Krishna protects where the Waters Krishna protects. We need to stay always under that protection of Krishna. We've seen so many different things happen. And Krishna are conscious of who we are being attacked by different kinds of Mayas. But somehow Krishna is always protecting us and things are again increasing. We have to learn from the whatever mistakes others do and whatever mistakes we do not to make this same mistake. To be very careful and very respectful to our devotees because of lack of knowledge. And we think that Krishna is letting.
Us down and be something Krishna to that you.
Because Krishna did give us what sense clarification we wanted. That's not what his promises.
To give.
Us whatever sense garification we want. He promises to give us shelter if we serve him. If we're careless and we get attached to some material things, then we're responsible. Just like Bharat Maharaj got attached to a beer. He wanted the affection of the deer. He became attached to that so he was worrying about the beer. The next life he became born as.
A.
Someone may say, well, how was he protected? He had done so much devotional service. Little mistake. He became a But he was a beer who had remembered his previous life as the emperor of the world. And he was thinking am I the biggest fool in the universe? I go from emperor in the world to a dear. Next slide is then he remembers all the three birds and he was fully realized. That's all. So like this Krishna pretended because of his carelessness he had to get a reaction. But Krishna gave him the memory so that on his own he would understand that what to do? Have some ideal freedom. We can use it or misuse it. Someone decides they want to do something knowing that it's not the right thing, but they want to do it anyway. The Krishna doesn't stop it. But maybe he sends a guru to preach to that person or some devotees. It's up to them if they want to follow or not. People they do fall away from the spiritual path. But then next slide they get another chance. It's not like whatever devotional service they did is lost. It's not lost. It's still to their credit.
And call.
Us to go to pray.
Some decides I don't want to do devotional service. Then you can't force them. They have to decide themselves that they.
Want to do the.
Of course on the body may try not knowing that the other person has made such a determination that I don't want to do the worship. You can wake somebody who's asleep. We can't wake somebody who's really hard to wake them. And they're awake pretending they're asleep. Someone who doesn't want to get up from under everything, just playing, fell asleep, can the water. He's not asleep. So he just decided I don't want to get up. So some people are like in that mode. They know better. Those are those people very hard to destroy. Eventually they change their mind, then they can be help. So we don't want to get into that type of insanity with the period of Holy Communion. Any question women are inferior to the men? I didn't read it in the script. Oh yeah, Bhagavad Gita. Any person, regardless of birth and Sudra, woman or merchant and take shelter of the lotus feet of the Lord and by so doing can return to God.
Here.
He'S the prince of the empire of the world. Is Kshatriya the top level. So Krishna is saying that in the next verse. So what to speak of Ramanas and Kshatriyas? Normally this Vedic wisdom is very hard for common people to understand. But the great Branas and Kshatriyas, they can understand it real easy. First he says women, then he says merchants, then he says Suras. Then he said even simple pictures. If they take shelter of me, then they come back to me. What to speak of Brahmanas and Ch.
If they take shelter, then I'll be dominated.
Even Queen Conti, she was the queen of the world, but Queen Mother, she presented herself that I'm a woman. So I'm not so expert in all this complicated philosophy. So just in generally women were considered to be. Generally women are not so much philosophical, but they're more like practical people. But Prophet said in the west women and men are pretty much similar.
Basically.
Sometimes he said like oh, here the women are able to do everything just like that. Like in India you don't see so much women driving.
And the big city.
Is little that you see. But there's many things you don't see so much. Now it's happening and historically there always were some great women who were ruling queens or who did some wonderful things. All Krishna is saying is that normally to reach him to get spiritual liberation you have to be a Sannyasi. According to Shankaracharya, only sannyasis can get more. Women are allowed to take something out and according to the sword and only they could get liberation after many, many births. So that's the process of impersonalism. It's high, very prejudicial, isn't it? But so Krishna is presenting here that the process of B. Everybody can get back to everybody can get liberation. So already people know that Brahmanas get an issue, could get liberation and maybe, maybe Kshatriya. On this subject we do Brahmanas. We are initiated to get liberation and understand these things. But he was presenting the points 3 hours vaishya sutra sutras that women businessmen and sutras they can all get back. We are supposed to be more advanced than most of the businessmen. It's not a question of being inferior. Superior was a question of simply who can achieve liberation. That was a discussion. And who could understand the philosophy.
The people complained.
Very easy for everyone. Actually, according to the list, women were right after Chantrys they were above. They're pretty elevated. Actually know that bhakti of the women can have an advantage over men. Because just sometimes men are too proud and they don't want to surrender. But you see the women they can accept as a supreme personality of God easier. In most churches and temples you find more women wearing than men.
All.
Listening to the radio. You have radio broadcast of the class. My class is being broadcasted by only private.
Yeah. Yes.
Work in the watching class and cooking breakfast. So often as they whoever surrender, whether they're man or woman, they get liberated. What's that important who they are.
Naval.
So no praise.
Because sometimes we during our devotional service we make so many mistakes. Like we make the glass of the images fall down. Or we are in our minds and we treat badly another devotee. And then after that we start to think it's not for me Krishna consciousness.
How to avoid.
How to avoid this mentality.
To be.
Humble just in the meaning.
When you make a mistake, you severely apologize to whoever you've offended, whoever you.
May be offense on the committee.
Someone's very proud. How is this happening? Consider ourselves more humble, more woven the straw in the street more tolerant than the tree. The mind tells us some crazy thing. We just have to smash them up. We tell the Bible what we want to think. Mind is conditioned with so many impressions from so many television shows, cinemas, previous lives, real life experiences, conditionings. So without using our intelligence to decide what we want to do with our life, not what the mind tells us. Sometimes we have to reach to our mind. We just have to tell the mind shut up.
You don't help me.
You take a pair of shoes and you start beating the mind with your shoes. With the shoes 100 times in the morning, with the broom 100 times at night. No blood cell start. We want the mind to think what we wanted to think, not what it just kind of put on this garbage out.
Much.
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