20030714 - 16 || Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 4.24.18 || Switzerland #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

Recording of a multilingual (German/English) spiritual lecture/transcript about Vedic science, plans for a large Vedic “planetarium” temple, and devotional traditions (Śaiva/Shakta and Vaiṣṇava practices). Speakers describe a proposed temple project (planned height repeatedly given as “125”), cost-reduction discussions with architects/engineers, a community (about 1,000 people) in Meierfurt, and devotional details and stories about Lord Śiva, Kālī/Durga, Śakti (Shakti-pīṭas), and Jagannāth/Puri worship practices (rituals, prasādam, temple service, chariot festivals). The tone is didactic and anecdotal, mixing theological exposition, local temple history, ritual description, and travel/community updates.
Questions this video answers
125 (transcript repeatedly states “125” and alternately says “125 Fuß” and “125 Meter”; units are ambiguous in the source).
About 1,000 (transcript: “Jetzt im Moment leben ungefähr 1000 Gotiweit in Meierfurt.”)
Auch in dieser Ausstellung heute war irgendein Teil von Vimana genannt, wo die vedische Wissenschaft dargestellt wurde. Aber in diesem Tempel und in dieser Stadt soll diese vedische Wissenschaft in einer sehr systematischen Art und Weise dargestellt werden. Also ein Teil wird eine Präsentation sein, dass die vedische Wissenschaft eine gute Wissenschaft ist, vor allem in Beziehung zum Verständnis des gesamten Universums, dem Aufbau des Universums. Es gibt Wirklichkeiten, die jenseits unserer Wahrnehmung sind und wir möchten auch diese Realitäten präsentieren. Wir möchten mit diesem Projekt aufzeigen, dass die Wirklichkeit, die wir wahrnehmen können, in den Wegen wissenschaftlich gut beschrieben wird und auch die Wirklichkeit, die jenseits unserer Vorstellung ist, jenseits unserer Wahrnehmung, die Wirklichkeit des gesamten Universums, dass die auch in den Veden beschrieben wird. Es besteht ein Plan für diesen riesigen Tempel des vedischen Planetariums, aber das kostet bis jetzt schon sehr viel Geld. Schon nur der Plan. Der Tempel sollte 125 Fuß hoch werden, 125 Feet Meters, 125 Meter hoch werden.
But now we've just discussed with our engineers and we have kind of a breakthrough to how to build it and reduce the cost dramatically.
Die projektierten Kosten waren so hoch, dass sie sich jetzt noch mal mit den Architekten besprochen haben und herausgefunden haben, wie sie die Kosten für diesen Tempel sehr schön denken können, ohne dass das Projekt viel kleiner werden muss und so dass es auch ein paar Jahre hält, also dass es 1000 Jahre halten soll. Jetzt im Moment leben ungefähr 1000 Gotiweit in Meierfurt.
Gradually the community is growing. Many people are buying householders, buy flat standards, they live there for all the year, some of the year.
Die Gemeinschaft wächst. Es gibt dort jetzt auch viele Haushälter, die dort Wohnungen oder Häuser gekauft haben und dort das ganze Jahr oder einen Großteil des Jahres leben. Man kann dort eine Wohnung kaufen, eine Zwei Zimmer Wohnung mit Marmorboden für Franken, bisschen günstiger. Es gibt mehr und mehr Menschen, die zumindest einen Teil des Jahres gerne dort leben. In diese spirituelle Es gibt dort auch sehr, sehr viele Besucher jedes Jahr, also Millionen von Besuchern, Inder und Westliche besonders installiert werden. Die sind gedacht für diesen großen Tempel. Jemand hatte eine Vision, dass wenn die Bildgestalten installiert sind, dann wird der Tempo schneller manifestiert. Normalerweise bevor man ein Haus baut, sind die Bewohner schon da.
I also brought some naching oil with me. This is oil we use to bathe in our shingadic.
OK er hat auch etwas ganz spezielles mitgebracht. Wir alle haben ja der picture diese Bildgestalt ist ja ein Maikur von Lord Singedeve und er hat ein Öl mitgebracht, das ganz spezielle Zusammensetzung hat und mit diesem Öl wurde Leute Singedev gebadet und er wird uns jetzt alle ein bisschen auf die Hand geben und kann daran riechen und das alles Stirn tun. Das ist sehr spezielles Mahapra Sal.
Can put it in one of our congregational magazines. Which side should I go on that side of the room?
This side. Dann gibt es ein Foto noch more.
Bigger I think it's bigger there.
Okay, we can take away these things because.
Lord A calpacia translation by his divine grace most powerful Eva Second only to what Vishnu is self sufficient, although he has nothing to aspire for in the material world for the benefit of those in the material world he is always busily engaged everywhere and is accompanied by his dangerous energies like God's Kali and Gaia's new God Vashila is known as the greatest devotee of the supreme personality of Gai. He is known as the best of all types of Vaishnava, has a vaishnalist on the the discipline succession known as the Rudra Sampradaya. She says there is the Brahma Sampradaya coming directly from war Brahma. The Rudra Sampradaya comes directly from worship what Shiva is one of the twelve great personalities instead of the Shimad Bhagavatam six three twenty these are twelve great authorities and preaching Krishna and God consciousness. The name Sambu means Lord Shiva his disciples accession is also known as the Vishnu Swami Sam Pradaya and the current Vishnu Swami Sam Pradayan is known as the one of our Son Praga. The current Brahma Sampradaya is known as the Mudrakodya Sampradaya. Even though Lord Shiva appears to preach Maya philosophy at the end of his pastime in the form of Shankara Acharya, he preached the Vaishna philosophy. Stress worshiping Lord Krishna go witna three times in this verse and especially one whose followers of they could not possibly achieve deliverance of Mukti simply by word genuinely in dramatic. Or puzzles in one is actually serious to attain Mukti. He must worship word Krishna. This is Shiva du Shanghaarya's last instruction here it is mentioned that Lord Shiva is always accompanied by his God is Durga or God is Khalid. Kali is always under his control Goddess Kali and Burga serve him by killing all the Asuras or demons. Sometimes Kali becomes so infuriated that she indiscriminately kills all kinds of Asuras. There is a popular picture of God as Kali in which she wears a garland composed of the heads of the Asuras and holds in her left hand a captured head and in her right hand a big khadgar or chopper for killing Asuras. Great wars are symbolic representations of Kali's devastation of the Asuras and has been conducted by the Goddess Kali. Asura is trying to pacify the God's Colleague or Durga by worshiping her in material. But when the Asura has become true intolerable, Goddess Colleague does not discriminate killing your wholesale. Asuras do not know the secret of the energy of what Shiva and they prefer to worship God's Khali or Durga or Lord Shiva from the tea benefit, due to their demoniac nature or character, they are reluctant to surrender the Lord Krishna, as indicated by Bhagavad Gita seven fifteen what Shiva has. Duty is very dangerous because he has to employ the energy of Gaia's Kali or Druga in another popular picture. The God's Kali is sometimes seen standing on the prostrate body of Lord Shiva, which indicates that sometimes what she has to fall around flat in order to stop God's Kali from killing Kasuras. Since Lord Shiva controls debate material energy, God's Durga worshipers of Lord Shiva attain very opulent positions within this material world under Lord Shiva's direction. The worshiper of Lord Shiva gets all kinds of material facilities in contrast gradually becomes poor in material possessions, because Lord Vishnu does not trick his devotions into becoming materially entangled by possessions. Lord Vishnu gives his devotees intelligence from within as stated ten point zero to those who. Are passionately devoted and worship me with love, I give them the understanding by which they can come to me thus. Lord Vishwa gives intelligence to his devotees, to his devotee, so that the devotee can make progress on the path back home, back to God. Since his devotee has nothing to do with any kind of material possession, he does not come under the control of Goddess Kali or the Goddess Durga. Vasila is also in charge of the tovaguna. Moral ignorance and listening to the world. His poem Tidda Goddess Durga is described as keeping all in entities in the darkness of ignorance d' être de la rue sa masquée. Both word Brahma and word. Shiva are incarnations, David being Durga, Sargo, but all the living entities, Hidra, Lupam in a form of sleeping samas, they are situated, everyone situated like sleeping and ignorance. Lord Rabbi incarnations of Lord Vishnu, but Lord Rabbi is in charge of the creation, whereas Lorshiva is in charge of the destruction which he carries out with the help of his material energy. God is Kali or God's Durga. Thus in this verse, Lorshiva is the strategy, is being accompanied by dangerous potencies, and that is the actual position of worship. Fourth canto, twenty fourth chapter, eighteenth verse. In a matter of chanting the song sung by Lord Sheila. So these verses are spoken by Abidura. He's asking Maitre, it's very hard to see what Shiva. Second only division coming by dangerous potencies. He's engaged in the welfare of people around the world. Great sages try to see him, but in spite of the absorbing meditation on him, still he doesn't reveal himself. So how is it that the faceta is actually pursued tomorrow. Matthew starts to answer the question. Prabhupada here describes something about The Kali and Durga Culture in East. India. There's a lot of what they call Shaktyas or Shaktos people that were subjective and that's one of the reasons why Ashra Shakti. We have more Shaktis people that they like Shaktis. So we have Radarani and eight Shaktis. We have nine Shaktis. Very attractive. God said once let the Shakti worshipers worship, because there's so many Shaktis, so some of the Ishaktos they say that Shakti is disappeared. Which doesn't make much sense. But anyway, some people think like that. Or at least they worship the Shakti in order to get all kinds of material facilities. This one Moshitanya was there was a lot of Shakti worship going on. And very few people were Vaishnavas Shakti worship. You can also offer to Kali a goat we can eat meat, so that Bengalas very few vegetarians, most of people you need. But gradually that day things have become commercial. I used to be undertake offering and offer to Kali beauty in a butcher shop. Butcher shop is not a place for deity, just like, okay, here's your Kali, but it's not the way to do it. It's quite amazing, though that in the main temples in Calcutta. And Calcutta is actually named as Kali Kata Kali Islam. It talks here about how Kali was in a kind of dessert mode, where she was just champing all the asuras So what happened? Was that somehow some Asura got some blessing to become very powerful. He was more powerful than the daily. So then they asked Shiva, if your destructive policy could be empowered to kill his Asura and his warriors. She said all right, each of you give their powers to Kali. So everyone of the David gave some weapon, some power to Kalu and she gave her a blessing. So she became like a super powerful and then she. Just became like the terminator or something. I don't know. If that just like totally fixed that she just got into this warm or with this chakra and then she was indestructible, nothing could stop it. And she just went and just mowed down this huge vast army to Asura. And after she had finished wiping out all the Asuras, she was so blind in anger from fighting and fighting that she would just head anybody. She just was heading towards the Davas. Whoa wait a minute, you're supposed to be in our side. You know? She was just like completely killing more. And so they went to Shivas and say last she's going after everything right now you got to turn her off. This is really dangerous and nobody can stop her. She's got all our power, she's got your power. What to do so then Shiva using his intelligence, he laid down in a path in front of Kali. So she's walking and she steps on Shiva and she looks down. Oh my husband broke her killing mode and she realized. That she had to somehow get her out of this. He was in a Somalia, this destruction. She's a destructive form of Durga. Durga's got mine forms and the one for destruction is Kali. So that's the one. It shows a picture shows you where they're sticking your tongue out. But actually in India, if you make an offense if you really blow it, then one of the things that people tend to do is they stick out their time. Oh, like oops, what have I done? Sometimes school teachers they want to punish a student or being stupid playing around and say you're going to hold your ears and pull out your ears and pull out your tongue. There's all these funny things. I don't know if that's legal to do anymore, but we heard it in the whole time. So she's got a touch ago which is covered with blood and head, but her mood at that moment is, oops, I just offended my husband, which is her frost. And then she broke the trance and then after that what happened was that they're worried, that as long as she's activated she can anytime go into this morning and she gets so destructive that what to do she should be. But somehow then Lord Vishnu was requested to dismantle her and with the Sudarshan Chakra she left her. Body and her body was cut in different parts of it, in different parts of the world. So there's something like fifty six or sixty four, sixty four Shaktipita, which are the parts of Roga that have fallen, that the Kali that fell down and so the thumb fell in Takara, that's like and the Yoni fell in Lohati, the feminine like that all over India, on different parts, you find this maybe somewhere in South America, but maybe different parts of different parts of the world will find people that worship and these are very powerful. They're actually the body of gold account. So sometimes, apart from the Shakti Gitas, from the part of Dismantle County, there's also other places where some devotee had worshiped and got mystical powers or something also known as the Shakti Pitcher. Right next to Vichylanda's birthplace, there's a Shakti temple called Para Pit, which is much more famous than Nitina's birthday. There's like millions of people go there every year, so guest houses and shops. The whole tower is like a little tourist take place and holly goes. To Ninja's birthday. No word he goes there because benefits. Once when I visit my birthday, I just wanted to check it out on all of it. And it's really heavy place. All these time tricks the people trying to get mystic powers to do black magic and stuff. There was this kid where they do the world sacrifices. The only person I could relate with it was the tyrannoself.
The whole scene.
All these people taking intoxication, meditating to get something. So this is all kind of subculture. Some people go to India, they get into him and especially in the Northeast they do this tantric type of thing, but in other parts they also worship Shakti. But they don't seem to do so much tantric some people maybe, but it's not so visible right there. So here the point is that Shiva somehow rather controls all his energies. He's traveling around. It is very special personality. So Yudora was asking, how is it that he portrayed us? Because Shiva, who's got these amazing energies? Second only division, and he's traveling around the universe to help people some of that Vishnu swami was his. Disciple. Yeshiva has all these worshipers he had to come and establish Shankara lying on order of Vishnu to bring people back from Buddhism to Vedanta, but he wanted to also have his own Vaishnava discipline. Succession of pure Vaishnava was taught, so that he initiated Swami and Kayun and in that song Pranaya Balabacharya took his initiation. Balabacharya is mentioned in the Chichana Bhatta and he had met him his house. He was a pure rational. He established the system for Pushimar, where Bihastas would accept everybody as a vihasta, there's most even the chariots and yihastas and they worship the lord as a goal giving and as their. Own child every day they'll put him to bed, wake him up, offer him to saddam and what's all you about The government lady understand too much. Everyone worships the Lord in that mood that pushting you're making like you want. Your child to grow healthy and strong. So that's the system that they follow. I invited some Hindu Samaritans and they were. Playing as somehow they're worshipping our deity. Our Sampradaya's really discovered that rather than the Puri, the Gopal deed was now an Abraham known as Sri Lati, actually our subaru. Recently there was a fight between six branches of the Balavacharya who should worship the deity and the judge that actually should be the Goliaths. Of course the Godias were the ones who actually found his need, not the birth basing on all this a little bit cautiously the very friend. Her run back to Savannah's attacker. Was claiming we should take all of the theaters most popular babies in India. But anyway, that's not really happening right now Never in ancient Sampradaya. Also there's four Sampradayas, there's Rudra Gamma, Lakshmi and the Kumaras. So I stand from he went up, someone asked me how did jump between the time period was like over. A thousand years ago. But because he went to the Himalayas to baby, gave him darshan and instructed him, but not everybody mostly sees him Sheila one brother Singh yesterday. So he instructed him in basic Krishna Francis message and he continued this Brahma manner, they don't like to accept that, but the Peaswana accepted it. He said some of our prophets have shown that he has taken initiation from some gayatita this time he traced it out. We are part of their at least They say well they accept themselves as part of our simple, but the precurrents what Shitani call them as tattoo bodies, but they don't also follow so nicely the life bit compromise in some areas, but of course you're all pure Russia, pure vegetarians, although they all of some people have followed rules, but they don't when they call Krishnas paramatu, they.
They.
Fight a lot against the Rama Lusha as they call color. There's other problems they have, but we kind of get along better with the Ramaucha something in many ways than they do with the mandas, but we've been having very good relations with the mothers also and they invited us to their paria, which is the change to worship. Every two years Madhya established eight matas. He recovered the Krishna deity, which was worshiped by Ruth mini krishna bahram, but they consider Bahram to be like naranja, like some kind of a jiva or something. They're the Bahram temple, but he's on the beach side. They don't do much nice worship for him. The Christian we do all the priests, they have some slightly different things than what we follow. So at one point they were saying, why don't we give the Balaran baby the Hare Krishna. So they're trying to follow up place called so they had this eight matas, he made eight gurus after him, he made eight gurus and he made each and paired off each as like a body system. This guru would check on that guru and this guru. So somehow they're all intertwined so that this. Mata's Traditional Sanyash Guru. Always Be that. Mata. And this mata began since I close around we have this system. So he arranged that every two months they were changed who is responsible for the daily worship, so they would have the average month. But then how many generations later? Eight or six or eight or generations, I don't know the exact number, but a few hundred years later around the time of what Chitanya, maybe five hundred years later, there was one of the Acharia became very prominent and valimaras.
And.
He changed the thing all the chariots complained those days walking and to the one kind of water fire not to throw the preachy come back. So then they changed it to once every two years they would change that. So that means in your life after fourteen years you get a chance to worship the Krishna deer. So it's a huge favorite change and they get the chance. Old Hebrews they've been worshiped Krishna four times in their life. That means for two years they're in charge of all puja in the main Krishna deali. There's a Krishna in the center and they're around and they have these eight matas and they have a rathyatra street. They have rathyatra. Almost every day you can sponsor Rathyatra grow their eight thousand rupees for the big rod, six for the medium, four thousand for the swallow. Every day almost someone goes and sponsors Arathe put together with the dam procession there the temple. Was constructed. Nice little temple with a lake in front of facing towards the east. But then it was I don't remember exactly when, but after some, also hundreds of years the temple has been there over a thousand years There was one loe. I think his name was who was not from a cast Hindu family, but he was considered outcast or untouchable or something like the case. So he wasn't allowed in the temple. But all the time he would sing Bhajans for the deity. He go behind the temple and he'd sing Bhajans, play on the flute and everything. So one day Krishna turned around and face to that he liked his devotees Bhajan so much that the back of the temple cracked, like the window flew out, the back wall cracked so the Kanakadas could get a clear darshan and Krishna so when they saw like this devoting him because you thought it was caste and all this thing then they realized that devotion was more important than what your birth left birth tradition. But after that the dead is now facing west to the back and they get to see them through the back window. There's a little window, they go there and look and there's little squares. And every day they dress the deity in different forms, different dresses called beshas. There are twenty four baits of Jagannath and checking a party with the song. Mostly is always like this, but twenty four days it does innovation like sonar beige, padma, beige, beige as the other film as a lois it's different. But here in Sharky I didn't know how ambitious they have like every friday they dress in rapids as Shakti, they dress in rapids. Ruth mini saudila that he's dressed as a shocky dad. She looked at him dressed like a trophy. Another day it's addressed one day that he started driving the chariot for Ajuna as part of society. One day is a bible usually there's a ballable power with the butter churn and they do. But their worship is kind of more like formal like they take the board of possession that he does personally. Sanyasi is the only one who can touch the baby all the other priests they can't touch the baby, only the Samantha but they help, they do all the backup they're in there handing him the lamb and they'll do the head and everything. But he does the actual artiv the worship and the dressing shringar for two years. He's there just to worship The next fourteen years he's out preaching collective money or having a fabulous worship. So like this. Every son Pradyanas. I don't know. Too much about. Just one thing is they have very good service attitude in this Sri Bansi Temple. Everybody who goes there they come and offer some service and we're so proud en este temple. No is twice the size of this temple maybe like this, like wide like this and the men will be a back portion and a lady's in the front and the men will be a little bit raised so they can see over the ends of the ladies and ladies and then and it's so crowded. It's like how many thousand people you can squeeze in this room. I mean you wouldn't think a thousand, but they squeeze them in and you like decide being a toby don't bring a camera because they'll just get crushed. You're literally in there completely crushed with the people and then as somebody wants to get dives into one side and then pushes his way in and on the other side suddenly pops out, dries out Like this there's a current of people coming through and I remember I was holding on to the front railway, trying to see the deities and then somebody somebody, I don't know somehow I lost the grip, it was carried up, popped up the other side ran around, got it pretty. But what happens is that everybody does some service and after Mangality there's a whole flower Microsoft and everybody why are they buying flowers? They're buying flowers and giving to the deity. They come and buy the flowers and then there's a window, they put flour offering milk, offering different kinds of fruits, offering vegetables. They are windows. So people there's a market about seven, eight in the morning that comes there with all the fruits and vegetables and only for buying fruits and vegetables to offer to the baby when they put that in this kitchen McDonald and they just. Had to cook up. Everybody there's all. There's hundreds of ladies sitting there cutting the vegetables and fruits for the offerings in this one area they had this for doing service. I remember I was there and this one guy came in with buffalo with all kinds of firewood piled on top. He pulled it open, all the firewood fell off nice matter. And then he suddenly called out Severus everybody man and picked up. A piece of wood out in her head and then carried into the kitchen, Woodstock place, do some sailor too and see the kitchen. So I ran in and I signed, they gave me later a whole tour. They have wells of heat, they only cook in pure heater and they have people donate train loads of heat. They show me a huge warehouse filled with heat we used to put on olden days. They used to have the well go deep and they fill the well up with bee, they scoop out and the Kutzomani offerings today is very very active in pusher for Sri Nazi. You can get special Mahapra salad, so much Mahapra sale for sale. And I found didn't sound for the Swiss mentality soul like jump into this kind of rugby scrub to get into the Darshan. But just the raw enthusiasm of the people. Limited space, everyone must have Darshan. I mean, that's just how it happens, but I don't know what it's like in the ladies area. If anybody's been there. Same way they beat me there, beat me on the back.
We could enter in the real place.
In the very front. And then when they opened the I don't know four or five dollars and the people started and I was just standing on the baby. It was like a football match. People are enthusiastic. They want to Daishan too anyway, it's a power place. Never saw such a place exactly. But I think, what's really I like is everybody does service. Maybe the whole passion may probably want to figure out some way to make it less passion. So like this what Shivai is doing the worship there. And we pray our Shiva that we can get here devotional service. We also respect as devotee. The greatest of all the devotees, we respect Durga. We don't really want any of the things he offers to materialists. So you don't have so much to do. Like Prabhupada said, entangled Vaishnava is like a more simple living high thinking situation, but the materialist generally. They want to know as much material opulence as they can get. That's why sometimes Shiva devotes are more opulent, but then they are more entangled. Also whether devotees some of them, because they don't really need more. They're happy with a simple life that they can serve. Missions having lots of options. Brings all kinds of. So this is probably my longest day in Switzerland, four days even in Chile. It's been pretty peaceful, not modeling in Chile. I don't think I was here only playing two day visit, but then instead of going to London to get my visas for other places when he meets to pre arrange, they have my passport sent there and a whole network of devotees here in the temple and there running around and Dienchao delayed on my passport. And spent paying attention. But that time, when I got the two days, I still stay here and we had some nice activities with the different colleagues did some nice things. So last night I was going to see the mystery part to see about any ideas for the Maya. We thought of the we couldn't figure out how to contact you. And then it was pretty passionate. Three hours we saw everything and after that there was this question whether to go or not to St. Gallon's door do at the last minute said no before bath they're waiting. We got there and said well, you relate, we'll just read, take the sound. But I knew we had short class people, took all the sound together, some of the towns I went to their homes downstairs and it was nice. We really got back at one o'. Clock. So it's been pretty intense, even though it was supposed to be peaceful. Time managed to make it intense nice I grew there. I think I must know about forty people, so I don't know what I'll do that, but I have a plan to come back sometime. At least come for your Sunday feast. So you can see both the Tamil community and Western. No one had one at four, so it was a good time, but we'll work it out with the president. My secretary just brought from my airport. Some of my new coming cards will share the up to date addresses and things available. Thank you, sorry for creator moderation here. Anyway, I can serve you in your last dose of today. Anything about. I don't know the passport is that I would nationally need the parents. But now we off to Bosnia and then if things work out to serve in. Otherwise I'll go to character for their Lithuanian Festival, Woodstock, Poland, then to Siberia for the Siberian Good again. Obviously.
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