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Recorded talk (Dec 31, 2003) by Jaya Pataka Swami with dialogue from Uttama Chaitanya Das. Swami emphasizes Krishna-conscious devotional service as superior to ritual/mundane piety, illustrating with a story of Indra and a Brahmana who pleased Vishnu by chanting/reciting Bhagavad Gita chapter 18 (five verses daily) and therefore attained higher spiritual reward. The talk also addresses mercy for sinners who become devotees and the power of sincere chanting/prasāda. Interleaved is Uttama Chaitanya Das’s public apology and explanation: he acknowledges lack of transparency in temple affairs, denies illicit activity, accepts remedial measures (including spending three months in the Holy Dhama/Nirmayapur for reflection and purification), and requests continued support as temple president while planning future transitions.
Questions this video answers
Reciting/chanting five verses from Bhagavad Gita chapter 18 every day.
He said he would spend three months in the Holy Dhama/Nirmayapur for purification and reflection.
It's born in a rich family. That's sad, that's dangerous. Because rich families more sensitive, no problems. You have no problem for your economies. There's lots of problems that be distracted. So being born in a yogi family, that's really good. Someone who's practicing yogi. So this is one way to make devotees. We hope that we make many nice Krishna conscious devotees or the Vihasanas Brahmacharis have their plans for other ways to make devotees through seminars and some retreats and programs. Those who are already older, they can make devotees. They are very childhood. So I remember once I was writing in one life member sky and he was playing the tape from one yogi. And that yogi he some religious person who is known to do weird things, you know, but and the table said like that you will go and you will try to make spiritual advancement and you'll be out in the outer space but you will not achieve anything and you'll be rent the star. You know, it was like in this vial music. And you listen to that. Oh wow, that's dangerous stuff. So then you know that was his selling point that do whatever he was offering. Because somehow that would be different. I was noticing how they used Arjuna's question reversed it to get people to accept him by paranoia. So people that don't know the Bhagavad Gita, they don't know all these things. It's very clear. So the point is anyway we try the level best we can to be Ka conscious. Somehow if we get to abbreviate it well, whatever we can do for Krishna that always stays to our credit. There's a little account that's our fixed deposit city. We don't lose for whatever reason they do. There's no loss. Obviously somebody gives up excuse Krishna cons because they want to enjoy a little more materially. So they get that. That's easy to get much more than what they could ever gotten just by some gross material agenda. One of the heavenly planets which is very tough to get there all the way. You have to do all kinds of agnihotras. And as for Melas pious activities, a little devotional service because it's directly connected to Ka. It's so powerful that it can take you to the heavenly planets. I told that story from the Eight warriors of 18th chapter Bhagavad Gita how they went Ravana took over the position of Israel. Remember that one time there was an Indra he was seated on the throne in his capital that time Indra capital Was in the city of Amaravati on the side of the Mount Mehru. There were the Apsaras were dancing and the Gandharvas were singing. And great Rishis were praising glories to king indra performer of 100 as Yas charitable learned ruler of the three worlds. Like that. So many mantras and praises. Was it flattery? You tell someone how good he is and then he wants to maintain his good meat. He doesn't want to glory. So he was in super opulence. Suzy, Indra has a hundred times more opponents than the other principal devas. Like Ravni dev and Vaiu dev. He's the king of the devas. It so happened. While he was seated on the throne two Vishnu duttas came with a Brahmana. An elderly Brahmana from this planet. Well, Vishnu duttas he knows his boss is Vishnu. And Vishnu duttas are the messengers of Vishnu. Swamili got off his throne and came to receive the Vishnu duttas. He went to them. Welcome. What news have you brought? He walked right by him. They took the Brahmana and picked him up and sat him down on his throne. And he was transformed into a Indra. Into Indra. Everyone look. Ex Indra. Indra X Indra. Indra. J J J to you. In your name. What happened? I just lost my job. Like this man. You lose your job? Someone told me. He said you clean employment. You get laid off sometimes. Didn't think you get laid off being Indra. That was a pretty solid job. Maybe his punya ran out. Whatever. But somehow this Ramana came and was put in the spot. He wanted to approach Tavisha. Excuse me. Could you excuse me. They are gone. What happened? I just said look at Vishnu. He's our lord. If he puts this person now he's become Indra. You know Vishnu's paradishrek. What can we do about it? Better go and talk to him if you want to find out what this is all about. So then Indra day went ex. Indra went to Kirunaksha oceanside. There he started to pray to attract the attention of Vishnu. To get an interview. Hare Krishna Hare. Then we should communicate it. Yes. What do you want? My lord? I've been trying to serve you. I've been serving you as an Indra in this universe. And I was recently replaced from my position by one Brahmana from the earth. I knew I had performed lots of pious activities before becoming an Indra. I planted trees on the side of the road. I dug wells. I also performed Anakshi Puja. I performed the Mahadev Puja. I climbed the Himalayas, I bathed in the ocean, I did all kinds of Punya. But I don't see that this Brahman did any of those Punyas. So how is it that he became Indra and I lost my job, my service to you? Vishnu replied, the things you did were nothing very great. These are like dry fruits on the tree. This Ravana, he pleased me very much. Therefore I made him in your own. So next thing you have to think real quick like this. You don't get too many interviews with Vishnu. What did he do to please him so much? He wasn't envious, like, you know, challenging. He was watching all he did something so pleasing the Lord. I better find out what it is. Obviously I didn't do the right things. So then Lord Vishnu said he would read five verses from Bhagavad Gita chapter 18 every day. Therefore he pleased me very much. End of interview. Climbing the Himalayas, digging wells, planting trees, playing a big door, taking Pujas. He just reads five verses in Bhagavad Gita, 18th chapter every day. And I knocked off my seat like nothing. Obviously I didn't know what was pleasing to the Lord. It is much more pleasing to the Lord if you read the Bhagavad Gita, digging all these wells and doing all kinds of Devi and Mahadev Puja. That got me there. But I couldn't stay there. So then 18th chapter, please says, O Lord, let me give the Lord 18th chapter. So he took human form and came down on the earth. And he looked for a temple where he could learn the 18th chapter, Bhagavad Gita. And he came across one Krishna temple. There was a spiritual master who was teaching 18th chapter, Bhagavan Gita. So he learned it from him, learned all the verses. He memorized all the verses of 18th chapter. He would chant 18th chapter every day. He memorized 18th chapter, chanted by memory the whole 18th chapter. So he began chanting every day without fail. After some time, et cetera, had two visitors. Vishnu Duttas. They came to him. He's a celestial being. He's an extraterrestrial. He didn't live for it. Thousands and thousands of years we were given some very special treatment here. So they came and visited him.
And.
Asked him or told him, Vishnu is very pleased that you're chanting in chanted Bhagavad Gita. He's very pleased with you. So now he'd like to know what blessing you would like. You like to be Indra again. How many of you want to be Indra again? If you had the chance, who would want to take it up again? Become Lord of the three worlds? Heavenly king, raise your hands. Who's fired up for that? So he raised your hand. He didn't raise his hand either. He said, no, I already did that. Now, after reading 18th chapter Bhagavad Gita, I realized that Lord is the supreme and we should surrender to him. And the greatest thing is to go to him. He says in 18 so bow now to me. Be mighty, lordly, Worship me and remember me, and you will surely come to me. This is my promise, there's no doubt. Send that to me, giving aside all other religions and simply fully surrender to me. I'll bring you back to me. I'll protect you from all the sins. So and so. So he said, I want to go to the Lord. If it's possible, if you can take me, that I can directly do service to the Lord. That's what I would like to do now. He said, yes, you can give me that blessing. So then they took him to the spiritual world where he could serve the Lord directly. So who, who won out? Exhib or Brahman, who was Hindu. So the Indra who was chanting, I mean the Brahmana was chanting five verses. He must have been asked, what would you like? Speculating. I don't know how it happened. But he didn't want to be Indra. He wouldn't be in India, right? If he went to say, no, no, I don't want to be here. I want to go back to Gilead. So he must have won in it. And he got places in Indra. We're told by Prabhupada that sometimes the Mauris are taken back to Godhead on a tour of the universe. And they show different planets. Siddhaloguru, mystic powers, Jana Lok, Maharlog Satya Lok. But before that, he goes to Hinder Log. And well, if you like any of those planets, you say, well, this is a nice place. I like it. It's like you go on the bus and get down and you stop, right? So the Mitchell nature is very attractive, especially the higher planets. Long life, subtle bodies, no disease. Hardly people get sick in one day and die. Say they wear the garland. Garland's always fresh. The day they're going to die, the garland fades. Uh oh. Nice morning, brother. And faith. Everybody knows who knows? Today is the day ladies hang out your whole life, get all in one day. How many like that. But if you surrender to Krishna, he says, come back to him. So the real for me, I think this tells you the Warriors. The 18th chapter, 6th chapter also has wars. But I don't remember what this is right now. But the real point is that surrendering to Ka, that's what's the most important. There's not really any atonement if you make a mistake in devotional service. What one's supposed to do is continue to reform himself and continue with devotional service. So here we're talking about yogis who failed. We're trying to save people from failing. We're trying to keep them in the process so they don't fail. But even if somebody has that failing, it's not the end of the world. They'll get more chances. Krishna never forgets. You serve me, you don't forget. But better if we don't fail. You keep trying. Normally it's really hard to achieve this kind of success. You give up Brahmanas, kings, indras. But now by Oshitagi's mercy, the persons who normally wouldn't get such a chance, they get the opportunity or to speak of just ordinary people, they can't deliver. They are like they were like that. They were like the godfathers of the WHO mafia. Even the government was afraid of it. All the organized crime intoxication seemed to be under that rose animal didn't have so much organized time. Whatever it was, they were the top. It says that they became such nice devotees that they were crying for Krishna. They went to live in Katwa because it would be too heavy to live for too long. Once Lord Satan they left Mah would they went to Katwa. It said that they would go every day to the Ganges and take their bath. They'd chant their Ravs and said they would be crying. While they were chanting, crying in ecstasy. So from cold hearted murderers, torturers, robbers, criminals, they were changed into soft hearted Vaishnavas who were crying in ecstasies. That means there's one for us. So we should keep up with our Ka consciousness at all costs, right? Time. Any question? Yes sir. Over here. Row number six.
What happened to the four handed, superimposed or disappeared? And what happens?
He gives fairness processes to Arjuna, Karma Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Dhyana Yoga. Here's Dhyana yoga. But also he gives Bhakti yoga. So let Arjuna choose what he wants to do. Sajuna also says, I get confused. You tell me to do this, you do that. What's really the best Krishna says the devotees who are most intimately united with me Are those who are performing the worship of me constantly and the most intimately divided. I consider the best of all the yogis. So some options are given here. It doesn't mean that even in this verse and of all the yogis, the one with great faith who always abides in me, thinks of me within himself, renders transcendental service to me. He is the most intimate eye with me as yoga in yoga and is the highest of all. That is my opinion. So what can I say about different forms of the Lord? Four handed form of super souls in my heart. We know that super soul is coming from Krishna. So we can also meditate on Krishna. Those who know will meditate on Krishna. Then somebody is more attached to the majestic form. I met one person. He says Krishna is too familiar for me. I like something majestic. I want to worship right? I can do that. What option is there? But in the morning it's a rather they prefer to go to Krishna. So Parvatma does have disappeared when he's accident. Krishna directly takes charge of our lives. And since Parvatma is an expansion then he works good of our. So we can say Krishna is a while Lord. It has different forms. Any other question what happens is somebody he gets a bona fide birthday. Chamida says that if you reject a bona fide's birth to master then you don't get another one. For 10 million births one crow birthday. Once there was a devotee who rejected was associated in Vrindavan. There's lots of dangerous elements for us spiritually to get followers that like to criticize your son per Daya is not good. We have better sam for Daya this time. They give so many things. You take initiation for me. I'll give you your Siddharth Bernali. Tell you what mobi you are, what associate you are in spiritual. They allure people. If it was so easy, the Brahma would have given to us. You find that even after people are revealed their so called eternal relation and they leave also a Krishna consciousness. They leave their own effective. Someone was told like that you're such and such. Later you see them selling gasoline. What happened to your sinner saloon? It's not so cheap. You don't want someone help. You are Gopi. You are Mopa. You're a convert girl lady. Your mother of Krishna one step. This is all theory. I want to realize. I want to see Krishna and myself and my original form. We want to realize. We don't just want someone to tell us. You know it's like you tell us we're Napoleon. What does it mean? This is something to be realized. Realization. You realize it by. You are known by realization, not just theory. The bodies are strong because when they chant Hare Krishna, they feel happiness, they feel bliss. They realize it. Someone can tell, wow. Dharma is not real. It was obeyed. We know it's real as we're experiencing it. We're experiencing spiritual happiness. We know the difference. When you eat prasada, when you eat ordinary yoga, it's not the same few minor realizations you have. We have a nice gift time, a big festival. We may experience the ecstasy when we read something and we get offerings of understanding some the dreams. It would not have been possible. So devotees have their own kind of realization. Eventually we want to realize who we are eternally in relationship to Krishna. But that person externally got raised. That may come after we leave our body. Or maybe it will be real to us. How? Just have some. So anyway, there was a divine like that. When somehow got the Lord was told your soul. So he stopped calling. Problem took reinitiation. Reinitiation. When the guru is a bona fide guru, that's an error of rejection. The prophet once said, okay, he's not going to get another one of five Guru Mountain for 200,000 births. And everybody thought, wow, that's heavy. That's not heavy. That light is one corner. Probably 10 million. I reduced it to just a fraction. 200,000 special message. So that's prediction. If somebody rejects and want to find a guru, you don't want to do that. Every day we read the 10 offense, the Holy name, the worst offenses to offend the priority motives. That again, saying of all things, even if you think your spiritual master is not able to give you enough guidance, if you take his guidance on becoming a Sikh Shambhalu. And one should reject the mercy one's gotten from the modified guru. Okay, Hare Krishna, Karla Krishna, who had the same as Karla Krishna. Is he the one that was South Indian and naval who was the secretary of Lord Chaitanya. Then he also had a problem. He got captured by some gypsies going to fall down. And then he was saved by Lord Chaitanya, grabbed by the Sika, dragged out from there. When Lord Chaitanya came back, he said, he can't be my secretary anymore and to save him myself. So then he was taken by Nithyananda and brought to Bengal. There he was telling all the devotees of Bengal, Lord Chittenden's best and the same. And that I was not grandmother mummy. And when we came across one place, Raghunand Thakur's info bells had fallen. There was a temple. I can't remember the name of the village. Anyway there was two deities. One deity established by Kaliyakrishna Das, another deity established by his disciple. So it seems like he had a little problem earlier. He was made one of your Mahantas and he was a spiritual master. He's the same person. We hope everybody stay in sin. That's a good wayward. But even if sometime one gets a little bewildered with it. I started to try to keep them out on the path. Keep everybody Krishna conscious as much as possible. This will be somebody else as one will surely attain Chichitatmya and Shinyatinama simply by remembering Kaliya Krishna God Chaitanya Bhagava completely devoted to Lord Nirtinanda Clear Krishna nothing But the Lord is feeling kind. He left his body while doing Vajana Vrittam. Maybe it's not the same. That's Kalakrishna le as boyfriend of Krishna it.
They all have been very supportive and very kind throughout the entire episode. Not only them including senior Vaishnavas in our temple. Regional secretary is Case Sineswar Prabhu. Vice President is Case Manal Chandra Nash Prabhu Slay Sadhguru Prabhua Prabhu Mataji Chandana Prabhu is the stream from Prabhupada devotees. I'd like to thank them and I've got just a few points to elaborate on this inquiries for them with regards to the serious allocation by the poison SMS of and I also have in detail explained all the accusations and allegations that were held towards me to my Gur Maharaj GBCs and respected Vaishnavas. And of course I also have to admit that I made some mistakes. And one of the main mistakes I made was lack of transparency to my hacks. Due to the lack of transparency in the hack, a lot of speculations reason and I admit if I want to be more transparent in my activities many things could have been solved anyway se easily. And I also like to admit that with no cardinal sins committed, no illicit activity committed. So as such I have discussed the seen any modis, teaching I should Prabhu and so on. And it's very very important for us to atone for some of these things. And as such I also have accepted voluntarily that the remedial measures that were required. On top of that I have also personally come up with a list of other remedial measures for my personal atonement which is which will I be taking on my own. But there is Something officially that was granted by the designated ODIs and something personally there undertaken for my personal purification. And I believe the three months I'm going to spend in the Holy Dharma of Dawah Nirmayapur will be very very purifying, will be very very reflective. And I also use that to continue from my laptop in my studies Patricia stage to do the Bhakti Bhaibar. So by the blessings of the devotees of the Guru Maharaj. So I wish to continue that and I like to at this point I'd like to thank all those devotees, the Guru Maharaj. So there is Prabhars Bhakti Nadra Maharaj is Keshing Ashwara Prabhupada, Chandraj Prabhupada, all the Sri Vaishnavas for their continuous support. And I also wish to gain your continuous support in carrying out my humble duty as the Temple President of Sri lankanathmandir. Of course not to worry, I will not be here forever. So I actually the beginning of me accepting the responsibilities I made one permission that I will actually leave at the end of 2005. Somehow situations came about that I at one point wanted to leave earlier due to some business as least Prabhu has. And it is also very interesting of the coincidence of the timing because in the year 1996 during the Srila Prabhupada centennial year I joined this temple and that was my humble offering to Srila Prabhupada to serve the vision of Srila Prabhupada fully. And now It's Srila Prabhupada's 108th anniversary. And it is very interesting coincidence. At least I saw and I see whatever Krishna does is for good. So I take this 108th anniversary of Srila Prabhupada's appearance festival as an opportune moment for me to renew my vow to serve the mission of Saha Prabhupada with more vigor and more determination to serve the mission of Mahaprabhu, to serve my spiritual master and to be more specific, to serve Sri Lanka. And so basically with this I like to conclude my brief statement of apology. Once again please accept my sincere humble apologies for whatever consequences my personal ex would have created for the well being of your spiritual life yourself probably sonnet has made it to speak events that something we impacted some of our devotees spiritual life. I think it is a very very great thing and very unjusting on my part to impact on your spirituality in such a manner. I think it's likely that I do withhold for them. Thank you. Apologies for such a thing. And with your continuous support and your prayers, I believe you can again come back and again do what is really necessary for the mission of Srila Prabhupada, for the mission of Maha Prabhu, and for the mission of Eastman as a whole. So thank you very much. So please accept my humble obligations. Thank you very much.
Different levels of discussions is about as it was mentioned by Simon Swartha, it seems that Uttama Chaitanya Das is going through some mental introspection where he can best serve ka from where he can be best situated. As it happens, you know, in the life of many of our Roman Charis that sometimes they think whether this is the best situation for me or whether I should be a Grihasta. And then he thought, well, if I become a grihasta, which is. And he was leaning in that direction for a while. Then he didn't see our future for him as being a temple president. So then he was looking in other directions and things. So the first discussion he had with him was that mostly I would say in this country, this being a temple manager, a temple president, because you have to deal with a lot of other married people, you have to deal with a lot of women and everything. Most of, I would say 80%, if not more of our temple presidents are actually grihastics. For instance, that leaving the service because you are thinking about changing your astronaut, isn't that a really good thing? Because rather it's good to have someone who's already been through the whole ashram and goes on the Brahmacharis. And also relates well with the other, with the Grihastas to be in a position of oppressor whether he's a Grihasta or whether he's a Brahmachari. But they have those creations. So we were discussing and asking to think about it. And so then recently he thought that he's not sure now he's going to think about whether which ashram we should be in, hasn't made any minus in with anybody or anything like that. It's like all the rumors are going wrong. The other aspect of it was that what seems to be for me the gravest thing that we've heard that was really been confirmed is that he just didn't act transparently, didn't tell us what he's doing, didn't tell similar story if you don't inform what it was on his way. And so it became an opportunity for many people to pass rumors from what we understand explanations. Nothing very serious happened. But as a leader in our spiritual community, we have been. We have leaders that do business, that do collection, especially the Rehasas. We have all kinds of different temples around Malaysia. Some of the leaders, they have to do business to make. And so that's not really the issue. But that somehow wasn't really communicated. When he's thinking about went through. And maybe it's kind of a stigma. When you're a Brahmacharya and you want to thinking about changing that, you're not sure. You don't know who you can confide in many issues. We're trying to make it less of a trauma that it's up to people. People want to be a Brahmaposta. I want to be a Brahmachari. Want to be a Sanghasi. Let them do that. Let them design. That's not the best situation. You don't.
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