2004 Nāmahaṭṭa Class #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

So you do get that situation. A lot of villagers, they can't understand. The tradition groups is mainly a learning program for people who are educated. Although in some places they found that even uneducated people do like it. It's just, you know, for me, it's a bit of a mystery that why some people like it so much one way or the other. So I decided as a policy, we'll promote all the three according to whichever works best for the people that they're in. My first thing, you know, consider that bhakti bhiksha gurupa definitely has more benefits if it works for the people. It doesn't work in every circumstance. So we're not a fanatic about it. We hope it's working for you. We're very glad to hear that. And I'd be very happy to give whatever support we can. We can have kuntegadas come over here and give me a seminar or something if you like it. He's more of a fanatic for Wacky Richard. I had to be a little neutral as the minister, but we're going to publish. Either we'll publish or we're going to get a counselor group of people to publish their book. We have a bhakti rickshaw group and we're going to make an overview about Dhammaad in general so that people can try to give what we just was having a strategic planning discussion. I have also a program about strategic planning for your congregation, but it takes about an hour to hour and a half maybe to go through the whole thing. But if you'd like, sometime I could show that to you. If you want to make a strategic plan that's using the modern kind of business terms of vision, mission statement, objectives, smart goals and how to apply them, and showing some of the strategic plans that different yantras have made. The key result areas where you make plans, how to take care, build up your community, take care of your constituents in a better way. So we're trying to do things in a more organized way. It sounds like these programs sound like.

Really exciting, very progressive programs. And I'm wondering, it sounds like you mentioned briefly some participation by initiated devotees, is that right?

Usually the group leaders are initiated devotees, but if they are available, if we usually say that to be a group facilitator, you should be at least Krishna Shraddha, Krishna Sadhaka, and preferably Prabhupada ashtray or guru ashtray or initiated matters too. So it just depends if it's yet a new growing congregation. Maybe don't have enough initiated devotees at that point. But if they're chanting 14 to 16 rounds in the four regular princes, we give them a preference. If they're otherwise, at least the eight rounds and the regular principles. Basic principles. Sometimes the insecurity people live in a hostel and in the hostel they don't. They have vegetarian and they give onions and garlic. So they don't feel ready to take initiation yet. But otherwise it's not like voluntary. They follow everything. There's certain kind of situations that people are in. But all that is considered when you're a makeup facilitator. Most of the sector leaders in Opera. Surely initiating devotees. And the group leader. Probably the whole director of the program. Is probably a Brahmana or something.

The counseling is primarily in relationship to how to develop devotional practice. Or they get into helping people with their marital problems. And other levels of counseling.

Also in the counselor system, I'm not sure. I think what they have in Chaupeti is they have different committees that help. They have marriage placement, they have job placement. They have that kind of support in the community. If someone needs a job, they give a preference to devotees. I don't know if they do that. I have actually sat in. I had it explained to me a couple of times by people who are part of counselor groups. So I got a general idea. But they probably have to ask someone like Radhakrishna Das.

It seems like with these type of progressive programs. The number of devotees who leave Krishna conscious. Would really shrink down because they're emotional.

Even if in a group there's not that direct support like marriage placement. But it would be in the overall program. You would want to have things like that. Like helping people to find a KA conscious mate. That would be a part of the. But that may not be in the group itself. That may be something that. There's a separate committee of senior devotees. Of responsible people that help in those areas. Like in Chopadi, they have so many doctors. They have a huge congregation, about 2,3000. So a number of them. They have their hospital, they have their doctors. So they offer to give medical care to other devotees. Either at some free or at some discount rate. So they have a kind of social support of the community as a part of the oral system. But that's not. I don't think that's directly within the counselor group itself. Maybe the counselor would refer them to that committee.

So it's different. Different type of counselor associates.

Or a different program within the community. Like, I have a disciple there who's part of. Who's got A counselor, but she wants to get married. And so she's registered in the marriage placement committee and there's somebody that helps her. And they're communicating now because they found somebody. That's why. It's like a fresh thing. I don't think it's a counselor that does that. I think it's another committee that deals with that issue. It's in a counselor group. You may have so many people. Not everybody has the same problem.

So besides. So how many.

Even in our Namhat groups, we also, in our congregations, we have that kind of support also. Life's a separate community, social support. So.

Around the rest of the world, let's say outside of India.

Well, you got.

You have personally a lot of these programs other parts of the world also, right? Is it mostly just in your zones or other?

Delhi's not my zone. There's a visitor here. No, it's going on all over the place. We have a congregational preaching newsletter and that gives you the scores for the whole world. And like Chowpati, they have. They have. It's not my zone. It's Ranha Swami zone. And they have also in Jubu Noble, supporting a lot in Russia. It's very widespread. There's a lot in Russia. It's not my zone either. And there must be, I think they told me, at least 250 Bhakti rickshaw groups in Russia and in Siberia. I went to a festival in the Akai region, which is a mountainous region of Siberia near to the Kazakhstan border. And we had. There's a devotee there who had a resort who offered it to the devotees. And they had cabins and maybe 50 cabins. So they had about 500 devotees who came to their program. And they were all wearing saris and dhonis and tilak and ecstatic kirtans. So I was there as one of the three sannyasis that seems to always giving classes. So I asked you one class, how many of you devotees live in a temple? And nobody raised their hand. I said, I thought maybe the translator didn't understand how many of you live in a temple? And actually the third time I asked them, I said, maharash, we only have one temple in Siberia, and that's in nowhere. Sibirski. Novosibirsk. Novosibirsk. And there's five devotees that live in the Novosibirsk temple. And none of them came. And so then I found out that they had like different cities. Like Barnaul has maybe 250 devotees and 20 Bhart eviction groups. And Tobsk, which has maybe 200 devotees and 10, 15 Bhakti Bhiksha groups. And Nova Savirsk also has maybe 10 or 12 Bhakti Rickshaw groups. And there's some other. Some other. I can't remember the other names, but Om Skinned one other siddhi starts with an m. Has about 150 devotees, 10 bhakti rickshaghu. So they had, you know, they must have. Just in the Siberia region, they have maybe 50 or more bhakti bhiksha groups. And these are fired up devotees. And Prabhu Maharaj goes there and Bhakti Chaitanya Maharaj and Bhakti Vaibhava Swami, some of the people that preach there. I went because I heard it was a congregational area where mainly the congregation was developing. So I went there two years running. They certainly didn't have a program.

So most of these people then, in these programs are not initiated then?

Salud. No, a lot of them are initiated by those here. Your group leaders are initiated.

It seems like sometimes initiated devotees, although they may have got far enough along in the philosophy to, you know, to take initiation, take vows, accept the guru, etc. But at the same time, it seems like sometimes they also might regress some or something. It seems like there's a great need for this to, like, expand and.

Yeah, well, this gives him. This gives everybody a chance to do some service. Like in a temple situation, you have temple president, they'll be there for 20 years, and the vice president, everybody. So new people don't really get so much opportunity to take too much responsibility. Where you find in the bhakti rickshaw groups, and we have ladies who are group leaders in some places. Ladies are also not only sect circle leaders. When you have devotees who move up, they are maha chakrapati. That means they will receive three chakras. And each chakra is 12 groups. So it's like 25 to 36 groups. That means they're overseeing 400 devotees. So they're like taking a lot of responsibility for a lot of people's spiritual life and helping them. So I think they're getting as far as. If I were to read it, I think that someone who's a Mahatrekra senapati should be the same as maybe large temple in terms of the responsibility that they're taking for things that they're managing. That is purely preaching. Usually they're rehasas. They have jobs. They have other things they have to do to maintain their family. So this is an opportunity for people that normally wouldn't get so Much opportunity to take a responsibility, to be more responsible, even while they're studying or while they're doing their jobs. And I find that I went to one house in the Middle East, I had a DVD to show about Berkeley Rickshaw. And I asked, you know, would they like to see it? And they said, well, you know, Maharaj, we have our TV here, but we've been so busy because now we've been promoted to become whatever it is, the chakra leader. Maha Chakra leader. And we're so busy going out and visiting all the navas and doing their programs, doing the Bhakti Rikshas, that we're so engaged. We don't really have time to watch TV anymore. So we don't know where the cables are and where we haven't watched any movies or DVDs. You could see the TV itself. Everything was spick and span. The TV was a little dusty. They hadn't been watching it. I think that impressed me. Okay. Most people are addicted to the TV right in the room. And, you know, there were people that were so much ecstatic with their preaching that the TV no longer had that attraction for them. Even didn't watch the news, even. Usually you always think, oh, you see the news, some occasional. Something special. So that's the kind of ecstasy that they get. Yes. Prabhu Maharaj.

Sometimes when the Bhakti witch is just about starting, there are. Most of the people are newcomers. Like, some are chanting four rounds, eight rounds. So obviously, philosophically, they would not be very strong.

It's good to have a little bit of a mix. When you multiply the groups you want to, don't put all the new in one and all the old in the other. You want to mix of new, middle and young. Because that way when you have a discussion, then the new people learn from the older people's discussion. If it's all new people, then you know the kind of level of the discussion is going to be also not so developed where if you have a little. If it's all old people, then also they don't get so inspired. Because when you're new people, you're also inspired to share and help a new person come along and give some engagement. There's also a program in Bhakti Miksha that each one teach one. You can assign a new person to a little bit older person, a little bit older person to someone even older than they are more senior in terms of their practices to give a little guidance and help. So instead of like just one counselor, you have a series of counseling that when you have to teach. Like there was one devotee he saw, he was chanting. It's supposed to be a counseling for someone that was four round chanter. He said, well, I only chant four rounds. I'm older, I've been in movement for a long time. He's going to chant four. I got a chance to aid them, otherwise he won't have more respect to me. So I kind of pushed him up to take that. But he could guide on basic things. Not that he's the guru or just a mentor, just a kind of a helper to guide the things that he just went through six months ago, a year ago that he can give some advice. Well, I went through that. Some people like this, some people whatever was the practical advice. Give a little training, okay, how you chant japa, how you do the things. So that way by having a person helping another person, then they learn better. Because if you treat someone on a chant Jap, you got to know how to do it yourself. So they've been checked. Someone see, they know how to do it. Okay, now you can teach someone else how to do it. When they teach it, it gets really reinforced. And so that way each one teach one helps to make people more responsible in their own spiritual life. So that's another feature of the. But if you have all new people, then who's going to do that? Right? So that's the problem. And that's your question, I guess when you're just starting out, what can you do then once you some of those people will move up gradually and start chanting more and then you get more of a depth. Usually we want to have people who go out and preach on their own. They're considered like senior preachers and somebody who can go and visit people who are already favorable. They can talk to people who are interested and explain about Ka consciousness. They're considered like general standard preacher or junior preacher maybe, as you like. And then you have people who are just kind of more new. They're not able to explain it so well yet. They're just learning themselves. So we try to bring the senior people and the group leader or take the people with him sometimes when they are doing some kind of preaching program so they get some experience how they can explain. Krishna Kanta. This is another possible program like say that you have a big festival and people leave their names here, that they'd like to have a home visit. They'd like someone to come and explain to them about Ka Consciousness. So two people always really remember one. See, I always had Two people go and then one senior and one trainee. You know, one that could be even a junior preacher. But one training person, one standard preacher and one training within a senior one because they already asked, they'd like someone to visit them and they can go visit and explain. Tell them about the temple program, tell them about your Vaiti Riksha program. Tell them about, answer their basic question. So that way you cultivate this, a way of bringing in new people into your group. And then once a person has gone on a few visits like that, then the person who's taking away sake now you do half the talking. See how he talks and eventually he lets him do the talking. Watch how he does it. When he is able to convince someone to come to the group, then he gets certified as a standard preacher and he can go and lead a group after that. That's what, that's one of the programs. Not everyone does all these things, but there's a lot of programs within Bhakti Rickshaw that can do. But if you hold new people, then you got to build up, build up for a while or borrow. If one group has too many older people, get another. At least you have two, three older people in the group will be good middle people, some people a little more experienced and they can share some of the discussions. We'll have a little deep, more depth. What's your name?

Gopisharnestra.

Okay, don't be short, dance. I have another question related to the same question.

When we have mostly newcomers in the group, there are obviously some issues which come up which need a tough stance from the servant, from the coordinator and the facilitator. So is that okay, how to take.

Care of such a situation?

Because everybody else is a newcomer and let's say dedication, let's say commitment to Prabhupada, let's say commitment to iskcon. There could be so many small issues like this where since everybody else is a newcomer, they are not able to appreciate very much, but it needs a tough explanation to them.

Well, my personal preference would be that be firm, be assertive, but don't be like heavy or rude or anything that learn how to facilitate a meeting that somebody starts going off the track or if they start introducing because anyway it's a discussion so you can just. You're the person that recognizes who's going to speak next. Well, that's an interesting point. Well, that's kind of off the point that we're discussing. It's interesting. Well, let's discuss that some other time. Or that's an Issue that generally we always consider that the guru is actually saying, let's discuss about Prabhupada next week. But right now, since we're discussing about Varaha Dev this week, let's stick to the topic and then just change and ask someone else to speak and then kind of use more of tactics. Okay, you nonsense. Soon you're talking about my guru and I'm going to something you can pull out someone you know, lest you see them, they're out the door and you know, maybe sometime you want to call. Listen, that's an interesting point. Let's discuss this in private. You have a personal doubt or something or if it's an issue, maybe you want to discuss that, you know, but as you say, you want to maintain that you don't want it to get derailed, you want to stay focused on the topic. Since we have a system, we have a discussion, we have a discovery and understanding that we have our application. So if you keep to that, usually if people start to want to go off, you can bring them back. Sometimes you get troublemakers who want to do all the talking. They don't want other people to talk and they may need a private discussion after first two, probably give them a discussion after that. This is a team effort. I want everybody to participate. You're very intelligent, you're a good communicator. But you know, please, we need your help. We cooperate. Let everybody else get a chance to speak. If still they don't want to, they want to always talk and butt in and not follow the cooperative spirit, then maybe I refer them to the sector leader to talk to them. If you're not strong enough to deal with that person, maybe there's a little personality conflict or something, then maybe you get the person shifted to another group with another leader. Maybe the chemistry works better. It's more like you kind of try to do things more in a soft way, be firm, but not heavy so much. I mean, unless someone says something really ridiculous, then maybe you can't help it. But I'm just saying as a principle, we try to do things like that. I revealed all the secrets to everybody. So usually these are for the leaders meetings, right? But there's more techniques that they can tell just the leaders. But since I think you're all pretty much training leaders, you need your cooperation, especially when you're beginning once it takes a couple of years really to get the rhythm going. Once you do this for a couple years and everybody gets habituated and you got all your developed groups and the different programs and State it becomes like a second nature. Then you can't think how anybody can do anything else. This is like so natural. But initially it takes some time to get it established. And just like in the beginning of iskcon, nobody knew how to wear T lock or put on dotis or do anything. Now everybody is trained up. So we found like that the bhakti rickshaw groups get established after some years where then everybody is very familiar. They know. And then the people who are the Mahatsakra pattis, they're so. Or Sena pattis, whatever you like. The Senas or the bhaktas, they're so well versed in the whole thing. They've been through all these different kind of problems that they're quite wise in giving good advice. And so there's a lot of mutual respect amongst. The principal thing is to be in a service attitude. The leaders are the servant leaders leading in service. When people appreciate that they have the service attitude, they're not trying to be the guru or trying to be the controller, they're just trying to be the servant. Actually, guru is the servant of rabid one too. We don't really know what a guru is, but that's what gurus do is they serve their disciples like parents serve their children, guide them in Krishna's devotion. There was somebody in the back that they hand up two people there. Then we'll make these two questions. And if the ladies have the questions, then we better.

Questions give the permission.

I don't know. Does he have permission? I don't know how long we can go. I don't know if you have the time. Depends. Yeah, 10, 15 minutes from the first.

Question is that we're talking a lot.

About the counseling system.

So there is a consent in Bhatfibersh about the personal guide. So can that be the same.

Personal guide? To a certain extent. In the counseling system, the counselor is a very senior devotee. So he takes. He's practically. You don't see the guru so much. And he's mainly the counselor that gives you the guidance. So the personal guide is not so senior necessarily so up to his capacity. You guide him. But if it goes over his capacity, he refers you up to a more senior devotee on the counseling system. I don't think there's anybody they can refer to. There's maybe a chief counselor and then the guru. There's not so many more levels. So you're going already pretty high up. Well, here we have many levels. You can go up, up, up, up until you get to the you can keep going up one level up the hierarchy to the group leader, to the sector leader, the circle leader, to the greater circle leader, to the director of the program. Above that, you go to the temple president, to the. To the gbc. So you got a lot of levels. There's a lot of all kinds of levels. We try to reduce. Otherwise a lot of pressure comes on one person. So we try to spread it out a little bit. So someone has to know what his own capacity, her capacity as a counselor, as a guide. But yet to a large degree, he's doing the basic kindness.

Can I go for the second question?

Sure.

Actually, suppose a group leader starts with only 11 members.

It's quite okay.

And he needs to expand it. Maximum length is up to 15, say. And all the members are expected to bring one with them. I mean a new person into the group. And in that stage, if he already fills the 15, the rest are left there in the queue. Sukur at that time, the training leader, he can take.

You can also we say that like 15, you can think about division. Usually groups start at 8 and you go up to 15. But then if you're starting at 10, you may even go up to 20. You find it gets a bit crowded and it really depends on the chemistry. If everybody's happy, even if it's a little bit bigger, then it's not a big problem. So usually 15 minutes, you're kind of optimum. But some cases the group just grew real fast and the training leader is not ready, not trained up enough. So the group may girl grow. Sometimes what you do is you have your discussions. If you have a big group like that, 20 people, you may have two discussions, have Kirtan together, have two discussions, maybe have a do some things in two groups. And that way the training leader also gets fast tracked for how to lead a group and how to facilitate a group. Some things like that, I mean, it's not like okay, 15, something that they have to be sensitive whether. Because you don't want to start a new group until the other person is ready to lead the group. Otherwise the group will flop. You have to make sure that that person is capable of being that group servant leader. He's got enough, he's sure of himself enough, he's done it enough times with the existing group. And then so you're Fairly sure that 90% should work. Some groups don't fly even in spite of your best effort. But then you have to redistribute the people in other groups and start all over or bring up Another assistant leader or something. Those are like higher level how to do, you know, the group leader, the total program leader has to oversee how things are going? Some groups are growing better and some groups are growing slower. Why is that? Study discuss these things when they have meetings with the group leaders? Some group leaders don't talk enough. They don't facilitate. Well, some talk too much. All kind of factors are there, you know, so some people, they motivate everybody. Some places, maybe it's exam period and that particular all come from one student. And they all got big exams and so they only have time to preach. So many factors. So they study that. And see, I heard in one place they, they divided boom, boom, boom three times in six months. Usually you figure in six months you should multiply one six months to a year.

Is there some kind of check and balance system so that as these group leaders work their way up. Yeah, with more and more responsibility. I mean, you mentioned that some might have 400 people that they're in charge of, which is more than most temples around the world, actually. So I mean, what's the system of kind of keeping that person from getting a little intoxicated by that much authority or jurisdiction or whatever?

Well, they're up that level because they've already, you know, shown that on the lower levels they've been very sensitive to whoever is above them is always visiting their program. They're not directly, they're overseeing that many people, but they have under them a whole hierarchy also of people that are thinking. So it's divided. It's kind of a whole team effort. They oversee that many people. But it's not like a temple president over his brahmacharis. And they're all a congregation of vyashtas and students. And they're not. You can't just like tell them to do something weird and everyone's going to follow. That wouldn't fly very well. So they find out. They usually fight, as I said, very mature people. I'm very impressed when they. That they've as they're moved up because they're three circle leaders. And the one that's moved up to be the mah circle was the one that seems to be the most receptive, the most humble, the most having a better quality. You say move him up first. So the competition how to be more of a Vaishnava, that's the kind of qualities that get rewarded. There's always the temple president or the group leader. A group. We got program coordinator or director who's over there, this center practice in the back there was one more person way in the back. Yeah.

As a part of a counseling program. Question is that what should be the main responsibilities of the counseling? How consul should act on the election.

Participate in the meetings regularly. Do your daily devotional activities, give your reports. If you're given some kind of preaching assignment to do that, how to do that, that's the basic. That's another thing you see there. Bhakti Riksha group has preaching. Where counseling groups don't have preaching, they don't usually give assignments for preaching. They just check on their son. When Bhakti Bhiksha is more oriented at outreach and bringing new people in. So if you're asked to try to find one new person to come for the next week's meeting then that's your assignment for the week. If you're asked to distribute 10 books then that's your assignment. Maybe do both. When you're a part of the meeting then you try to be a team player. That's so complicated. Really. There was any. Any ladies have a question they already know.

Sometimes newcomers, those who tend something later.

On, something still on their time, not so new. Not very new actually.

They chant 16 rounds, sometimes eight rounds. And they are very careless and sometimes lazy minded. Also if they call the class also I am coming and sleeping now. Welcome tomorrow this is for them how.

To take care of. Well, you got a lot of experienced people here. What are some of the suggestions of the other preachers? If somebody is a little bit lazy in their spiritual life? If there was. Come, let's meet. You know Sachin is going to be here for the weekend. I got a special meeting with him. Okay, let's go. You know, fire it up. There's going to be a movie star. Okay, let's go. But let's come to the beginning. How do you inspire them? What's your secret? Go to his place, have a meeting in his house. That's one solution.

That's the secret of Bhakti Rikshif. If somebody is involved in his service then possibly he is lazy. Because he is possibly trying to dissociate himself from listening. But if he is doing practical service then he will not be lazy. So if it is a Bhakti Ricksh group working then.

Prabhupada said try to find out what inspired he wrote his letter to Sukhadeva Das. Maybe you know that later on he says that for the educated people don't try to give them too many rules and regulations and rather just try to encourage them to do the things they like to do. They like to write. Let them write for Krishna. They like to do computing for Krishna. In those days there wasn't computing somewhere. But let them do the things that they like to do. So try and encourage them in what they like to do. If they're doing eight rounds, think. You don't really think it's good. Sixteen someday. Very good. That's your Kurapati. Sixteen rounds a day is one crore names of Krishna a year, every day, 16 hours and Konbanaugi, Korobhati. You become. You become a Khorbati. So you're doing eight rounds, only 50 likes. Okay, you're halfway there. I try to encourage the people and try to what inspires? You know, sometimes some will go look, you know, go personally and preach to them how, you know, human life is so important. This, that kind of what it takes to get some of the spouse. But that's where the personal touch comes in the group leader. If someone doesn't come, they phone them up. Hey, you didn't come this week. What happened? You're sick. Anything. This is the important thing because sometimes people complain I was sick. Nobody called me, nobody cares. You know, I could live or die. Nobody cares. The Christian priests come and they come and preach to me. But the devotees, they don't care. Sometimes they get into these kind of mentalities. So the fact that the leader or his personal guide. What happened? He didn't come before. They called up, said, you're going to come, right? We're depending on you. We need you to come. Come on, you're part of the team. No, I don't feel it. No, come on, you're part of the team. We need you. There's only eight of us. If you don't come, it's like we're cutting off our left foot, our right arm or something. Here, you gotta come too. You come out, we need you. And if they don't come, hey, come. How come you didn't come? They really missed you. So then you know, okay, when that person attached and you see, if someone doesn't want to come, what can you do? I mean, everyone's got free will. But if you do everything you can to get them to come. The prophet said that to make somebody Krishna conscious, you have to spill 200 kilos of spiritual blood. So that effort of enthusiasing people, getting the count sometimes preaching. Look at. Don't you. What are you. What's happening? You know, you were such a good devotee, now you're not coming anymore. Now everybody's got mobile phones. Hey, you need some water? Starting out here. Get over here quick. But they also make the meetings. Sometimes you find the people having. Maybe in the meeting there's someone criticizing or some personal things. All different things, you know, sentimental things. Sometimes finding out, knowing the person, talking to the person, what's wrong, what's happening? Maybe there's some other problem. There's a lot to do, lot to keep you busy, a lot further some things the servant leader may ask the intern, the training leader to check it out. Go and see what's happening. You do. So this is highly interactive. That's what helps to keep people involved.

What is the optimum time in which a healthy bakit truck would multiply or split? If there's any time in the.

It varies in different places. I said, you know, they think usually, at least. Usually a year would be the outer limit. But they say in England it takes two years. It's slower in England. But in England they don't even do bhakti rickshaw. But they do mainly in the Yamahatas. I don't know. In some places I say that they do it in six months. So generally in Indian communities you find six months to a year would be the time. But it may vary. Sometimes people even do it quicker. Some people take a little longer, usually within eight to nine a year. Be the outer limit for most places. So thank you very much. How many so far? How many of you been attending Bhakti rickshaw group meetings? Only a few. How many of you that haven't attended feel an interest to attend one of the Bhakti Bhiksha groups? Any new people you should sign up, be part of it. It's a lot of fun. I personally because I've done a lot of training seminars and all the group discussions when they have the training seminars I found it was very exciting. Even so many people actually even young people have a lot of little kids have some very interesting ideas sometimes from the readings want to speak of intelligent youth like you all. If you're not a member of one of the groups, you should sign up, join up. It's a good program. Thank you very much. Sam. This is oil from Nabi Sheikh in Mayapur. Takes away obstacles good for all kinds of obstacles in your life. It's 11 is 8 Oshuri oils and 3 more essential oils in this particular mix it.

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