20090221 || QA Session || Śrī Māyāpur, India #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

Jaya Pataka Swami answers questions about serving a guru without specific instructions and explains Vaishnava offenses through stories like Sachi Mata seeking forgiveness from Advaita Goswami. He narrates Lord Chaitanya and Lord Nityananda's meeting and describes remedies for offenses, including pilgrimage to sacred islands.
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So this is Mayapur with Guru Maharaj Is Mayapur.
Shadow Sing England.
He distributed a book to Subhad Swami.
Oh, he was distributed a book by Suhart.
He was distributed a book by Subhad Swami.
So like this he became a devotee.
So like this he became a devotee.
He's from Malaysia.
He's from Malaysia.
And he's known as the original Maharaj.
And he's known as the Malaysian Maharaj.
So we're going to start the Chaitanya Leela from the time of when the devotees come here.
We're going to start the Chaitanya Leela from the time when the devotees get here.
So that means you have there to we can have general discussion.
That means we have a day or two when we can have general discussion, can answer questions. Can answer questions.
We can just discuss general things.
And we can discuss general things.
So this is Tanu for you to ask any question you want.
So this is the time for you to ask any question you want of philosophy or philosophy.
And I'll try my best to reply to the question.
And I will try my best to reply to the question. First I want to say that I'm very happy to see all of you.
In the evenings. I have any difficulty speaking I have.
Some difficulty speaking in the evenings with.
A combination of medicine and routine causing mouth to become very stiff because of.
The medication and the fatigue which causes my mouth to become very stiff, dry and dry.
I'll try my best to speak to you.
This is not the best time to speak to I'll try my best to speak to you.
Any understanding.
The third question is very short question. I would like to know how Lord Goranga and Lornique Ananda met in Mayapur.
See, Nithyananda was in Vrindavan and he.
Got a dream that Lord Shatami was in the airport.
And he got a dream that Lord Chaitanya was in Mayapur.
He went when he woke up Sridharan hill.
He went and he woke up Sridam.
Prabhu who was resting in a cave in Govardhan.
Who was resting in a cave in Govardhan.
Sridharm Sridam Sridhar. Wake up.
Wake up. Wake up.
Sridharma came out. Sridharam came out and they said who are you?
And he said who are you?
He said I was a lion.
He said. And Balay.
Balram is known as Balay.
Balaram is known as Balay.
And Krishna is known as Kanaya.
And Krishna is known as Kanaya.
So like this Dow Ji is another name.
So like this dowji is another name for Balay or Balaram.
And so you don't look like Balai, you look short.
And he said, you don't look like Balay, you look short.
He was almost 7ft tall.
He was almost 7ft tall.
But he looked short too though.
But he looked short to Sri Lanka.
Because in Dark Heart Yoga everyone was big.
Because in Dwarka Yuga everyone was big.
No, I was Balaram.
He said, no, I'm. He said, no, I'm Balaram. I'm Balay.
Now it's Kali Yuga.
Now it's Kali Yuga.
So like this.
So like this.
So here he's the only one that could meet me around the Guruda.
If you're Balai, Balaram is the only one who could beat me around Govardhan.
So I want you to beat me.
So I want you to beat me.
They all know you're a Galaran.
And then I know you're Balduram.
So he took a 1, 2, 3, go. He started running around to go with that hill.
Started running around. They cover that hill.
Nithinanda and him were neck to neck.
Nithinanda and him were neck to neck.
And they're going around the first quarter.
And they're going around the first quarter. Going down the back half, Going down the back half. Going around the third quarter, coming around the third quarter.
That's it. He's going all the way. So this is another one. And then she's not accepted. You are the Valora Silitharanda one.
And Shridam accepted. You are only Balaram.
Only Balaram. Only Balai could defeat you.
Only Balai could defeat me.
So you see now Tenanya has come in.
Now you see, Kanaya has come in Mayapur, in Nandritam in order to.
Start the Sankirtan movement.
In order to start the Sankirtan movement.
Do you want to be Vodava?
You want to be part of it?
I didn't hear you.
I didn't hear you.
Okay, so that sounds good.
So that sounds good.
Okay, well, let me bring you down and tell you the side.
Okay, let me bring you down to Kali Yuga's size.
He took his hand and he shoved Sridharm down to Kali Yuga size.
So he put his hand and shrunk down Sridham to human size of Kalyuga.
He known as Ram or Ram.
And he became known as Ram Abhirauk.
The two of them came to Mayapur together.
The two of them came to Mayapur together.
That time Lord Chaitanya asked his sellers.
At that time, Lord Chaitanya asked his followers.
My counterpart that.
My counterpart.
Lord Nithyananda.
Lord Nithyananda.
He has come to Navadva.
He has come to Nagvip.
So I want you to go and get him and bring him here.
And bring him here.
So all day long the devotees were looking for Lord Nithyananda.
So all day long the devotees were looking for Lord Nithyananda.
Knocking. Hostiles.
Knocking. House to house.
Hello. Have you seen Nithyananda here?
Hello. Have you seen Nithyananda here?
What does he look like?
What does he look like?
He wears blue cloth.
He wears blue cloth.
Blue. Doty.
Blue.
Doty blue turban.
Blue turban.
No. You have seen him. It's how I wear a blue.
No, we haven't seen anyone wearing blue.
We got no Nithyananda here.
We got no Nithyananda here.
So they go house to house looking.
So they go house to house looking.
So then because you're the fifth person to come here.
Said you're the fifth person to come here.
There's no nickname in the hair.
There's no methane in the hair.
Thomas says 8 o' clock at night we're taking rest.
Don't disturb us. At 8 o' clock at night we're taking rest.
In those days I didn't stay up and watch TV or anything.
In those days they didn't stay up and watch TV or anything.
Only they'd stay up for kid time.
They'd only stay up for kid time.
At Srivas house.
At Srivas's house.
Otherwise everyone took rest early.
Otherwise everyone should rest early.
And so they all came back to Sri Lash's house. And they told Lord Caitanya that he couldn't find him.
So they all came back to Shivas house and told Lord Chaitanya we couldn't find him.
You're looking for him?
You're looking for Him?
Yes. Everywhere.
Everywhere.
Oh, you don't know. You cannot find God.
Oh, you don't know. You cannot find him.
We'll find God.
You cannot find God.
He has to reveal Himself to you.
He has to reveal Himself to you.
So looking for him. He has to reveal Himself to you.
So looking for him was bound to fail. He has to reveal himself to you.
So I can find him.
So well, I can find him.
Tomorrow I'll go out and find him.
Tomorrow I'll go to find him.
So let's take care. We will find the ordinance.
So they did Kirtan and traveled around to find Vivekananda.
So then did Kirtan at Shivas house.
So they did Kirtan at Shivas's house.
So Srivas at that time and Sridhar, Shriya, Sridham there are the next tunnel.
So that time Lord Nithyananda and Sri Dam who was Rama ABHI Ram were in the next temple.
Called Nandanacharya's house.
Called Nandanacharya's house.
Sometimes we go, sometimes we don't go to that house.
Sometimes we go, sometimes we don't go to that house.
Depends. Running late for the parikrama.
Depends. If you're running late for the parikrama.
You know her. The first time I have him at Nandanacharya's house.
But now you hear the pastime at what happened at Nandanacharya's house.
So Lord Caitanya, he went there.
So Lord Chaitanya, he went there with his kirtan. Heard it with his kirtan party.
When Nithai heard the kirtan he became study.
So when Nithai heard the kirtan he became ecstatic and in chanthya. And he jumped up.
Then Lord Chaitanya went into the courtyard with his Sankirtan party.
And then Lord Chaitanya entered into his courtyard with his Sankirtan party.
He was so happy.
He was so happy to see Mithai. To see Mithai.
Nithyananda. She was so happy to see Lord Chaitanya.
And Nithyananda was so happy to see Lord Chaitanya.
Nithyananda. Nithyananda. Nithyananda. And they ran together.
And they ran together.
They embraced each other.
They embraced each other.
They saw arch ecstasy. Clearance horse in their highest.
And they were so ecstatic. Tears were flowing. Were pouring from their eyes.
And the drums, Dundee drums from the heavenly planets, they started ringing.
And the drums started ringing from the heavenly planets.
That Lord Chaitanya and Balaram have united again.
That Lord Chaitanya. That Lord Chaitanya and Balaram have united again in Kaliyuga they were so happy.
The whole universe was rejoicing.
The whole universe was rejoicing.
The Lord is Lord in Chirtanhai. They see so much ecstasy in Lord Chaitanya and Lord Nityananda.
The devotees who were there in the Kirtan party could see so much ecstasy in Lord Chaitanya and Lord Nithyananda.
They started pulling their hair.
They started pulling their hair.
Rolling in the ground.
Rolling in the ground.
Chanting.
Chanting.
So this way there was big rejoicing amongst all the so like this, there.
Was big rejoicing among all the devotees.
They joined together in kirtan and hunter out in other girtan.
We joined together in kirtan and went.
Around Navvita and seeing Lord Chaitanya is.
Yellow gold and Lord Chaitanya is yellow.
Gold and Lord Nanda is reddish gold.
And Lord Nithyananda is reddish gold.
But the scene is all together. How is it they're two of the same color golden.
But when you see them together, you see how two of them are of the same color golden.
And they're of similar height.
And of similar height.
Few inches shorter than Lord Chaitanya.
Maybe Lord Netanyand is a few inches shorter than Lord Chaitanya.
So everyone was to see how this Nithaya and Goa were chanting together.
So everyone was amazed to see how Lord Chaitanya and Nithai were chanting together.
So the big crowds of people gathered around to see watch the kirtan.
So big crowds of people gathered around to watch the kirtan.
This way they had the kirtan cherry.
And like this they have kirtan throughout.
The day, dancing and chanting, dancing and chanting all the way.
All the way.
That's how Natalie Goyang went.
That's how Natalie Gomet.
The second question is Srila Gurudev, please accept our love. How can I best serve you if you do not give any specific life instructions to me?
Me.
Love Yasoda Sachi Devidasi.
Everyone is given the instructions.
Everyone is given instructions at the time of initiation.
So one should follow that.
So one should follow that.
And along the way we give him different instructions.
And along the way they're given different instructions.
So we can get inspiration from that.
So you can get inspiration from that.
And.
In this way, sometimes you wonder why we're not given any specific instruction.
In this way, sometimes we wonder why we are not given any specific instruction.
But if you're given a specific instruction.
But if you're given a specific instruction.
There'S one more thing you have to follow.
That's one more thing that you have to follow.
So people are not ready to follow that.
So maybe people are not ready to follow that.
So the Guru doesn't need to give a lot of individual instructions.
So the Guru doesn't usually give a lot of individual instructions.
Because by giving salt then one would have to.
So by giving instruction, if the people follow or they don't follow it is Guru Apparat the third offense.
So not everyone got a personal instruction from Srila Prabhupada.
So like that, not Everyone got a personal instruction from Srila Prabhupada.
But I got a lot of individual instructions.
I got a lot of individual instructions.
One was to finish the temple of.
Vedic understanding, One was to finish the.
Temple of Vedic understanding, to develop Ayanpur, to develop Maripur, to direct the odis, to make devotees, to preach around the world.
To preach around the world.
Like that's Rama giving different instructions at different times.
Like that Prabhupada gave me different instructions at different times.
So when I was faced with leaving this world, I need to go back and finish up some of these instructions.
So when I was faced with leaving this world, I said, I have to go back and finish these instructions.
So somehow when Krishna's cause's mercy, I.
Was allowed to come back Somehow by Krishna's cause mercy, I was allowed to come back.
Because all of you unfair.
And because of all of your prayers.
So I need to finish these instructions.
So I need to finish these instructions.
So you can always help your guru to finish his instructions so you can.
Always help your guru to finish his.
Instructions as a general instruction.
As general instruction.
Take out the mission of your guru.
Take up the mission of your Guru.
And help him to fulfill it.
And help him to fulfill it.
Thank you very much.
By whom I can recognize that I'm doing offenses towards the devotees in the.
In the.
In the skies.
That offense against the Lord is esteemed elephant. Mad elephant offense.
That offense against the devotees is a mad elephant offense.
Pulls out the figure on the roots and it starts on it and it dries off.
Vaishnavapra is a mad elephant offense which uproots the tree by its root, uproots the creeper by its roots and steps, and dries it up.
So we want to avoid the Vaishnava prat.
So if you want to avoid Vaishnava.
Pradh, here's the question, how do I know Vaishnava?
Here's a question asking, how do I know if I'm committing a Vaishnavaprad?
In her incarnation as Satchini Mata, in.
Her incarnation as Sachi Mata, she had.
Committed offense to Advaita Gosaya.
She had committed offense to Advaita Goswami.
She said, Advaita Gosain is keeping my son away.
She said that Advaita Gosaya is keeping my son away.
Maybe he will turn her into a sannyasika.
Maybe he'll turn him into a sannyasi.
I can't live without my son.
I can't live without my Son.
So she would think offensive things like this.
So she would think offensive things like this.
And when everyone was asking Lord Chaitanya to give love of godhead.
And when everyone was asking Lord Caitanya.
To give love of godhead, they asked her to give her Satina. Lord.
They asked him to give her Sachi Mata love of Godhead.
He said, no, I cannot.
He said, no, I cannot. She's a Vaishnava paradhi.
How can she be a Vaishnava paradhi?
How can she be a Vaishnava paradhi?
She's serving you so nicely as your mother.
She's serving you so nicely as your mother.
How can she not get love of Godhead?
How could she not get love of Godhead?
So. So like this. There is so much difficulty for the devotees to think that Sachin Mata wouldn't get along with God.
So there's so much difficulty for the devotees to think that Sachi Mata would not get love of Godhead.
So one time Lord Chaitanya said, let's go and ask Advaita go Sai for forgiveness.
So one time Lord Chaitanya said, ask him to ask Advaita go Sai for forg.
So then they went over to Advaita's house.
So they went over to Advaita's house.
He said, why is everybody here?
He said, why is everybody here?
And they explained to her that Satchi and Ata had.
And they explained to him that Mother Sachi had committed an apartheid.
Therefore, he needed to forgive her.
Therefore he needed to forgive her.
Mother Satchi. She said, I am an Sinapian devotee. She's such a great devotee.
Mother Sachi. I'm such an insignificant devotee. She's such a great devotee.
And then he started glorified Satchi Mata. How she was such a wonderful mother, Lord Chaitana.
And then he started glorifying Sachimata. How she was such a wonderful mother of Lord Caitanya.
Shaksht.
He was so ecstatic.
He handed an extra suit.
He fainted in ecstasy.
Thinking of the glories of Mother Sachin.
Thinking of the glories of Mother Sachin.
Oh Lord Shejangula says he's never going to forgive you.
Lord Jalingsa is never going to forgive you.
He touched the touch on his daughter's feet.
So you should touch the dust from his lotus feet.
If the dust you give, then it's good enough.
If the dust forgives you, then it's good enough.
Take the dust and put it on your head.
Take the dust and put it on your head.
She took some dust from Advaita's feet. Put it on her head.
So she took some dust from Advaita's feet and put it on her head.
Then she was forgiven on her offenses.
Then she was forgiven for her offenses.
That's a secret. How to get forgiven offense. If you don't know that if you're not forgiven directly on the devotee, so.
This is a way to get forgiveness. If you're not directly forgiven by the devotee.
Tonight is the elephant procession.
So tonight is the elephant procession.
So you need to join the elephant the procession when it comes out.
So we need to join the elephant procession when they come out. We've got half hour more.
Someone keep an eye out.
Someone keep an eye out for the elephant. Elohim comes first, then the deities.
So like this. Sometimes we knowingly commit offense. Sometimes we unknowingly commit offense.
Sometimes we knowingly commit offense. Sometimes we unknowingly commit offense.
Of course, unknowingly is hard to say.
Of course, unknowingly is hard to say.
Whether we committed an offense or not.
Whether we committed an offense or not. Because when we go to the Kulyadeep.
Khalad Kholad of Navid Harm one of.
The nine islands, one of the nine islands.
That's the 1, 2, 3, 4th island.
That's the 1, 2', 3, 4th island.
Then we can get forgiven for all our offenses.
Then we can get forgiven for all our offenses.
So there we ask all the duration of our animals.
So there we ask the devotees to forgive us for all our offenses. And we forgive also.
So don't forget to do this when you got a full K. So don't.
Forget to do this when you go to kv.
Now just want to.
Just when we act.
We have to actually do something against the Vaishnava.
We have to actually do something against a Vaishnava.
Speak something, think something.
Speak something, think something.
Then it's an offense.
Then it's an offense.
Otherwise.
Otherwise it's not an offense.
So sometimes the devotee may feel offended.
Sometimes devotee may feel offended.
But it's not actually my purpose.
But it's not actually an offense.
Sometimes exalted already heals offended. I consider that an exalted devotee. I feel offended. And I feel an offense.
An insult. And devotee and he feels offended. And it's an offense.
There was once history that Rupa Goswami was reading his Shastra.
Like once there was a story when Rupa Goswami was reading his Shastra.
And he laughed in ecstasy.
And he laughed in ecstasy.
There was a devotee with a handicap.
There was a devotee with a handicap who was walking by.
And he wondered if Rukku Goswami was laughing at his handicap.
And he was wondering, Rupa Goswami is laughing at his handicap.
So I never expected this, Ruruga Swami.
He said, I never expected this from Rupa Goswami.
Why is he laughing at me?
Why is he laughing at me?
So he felt very bad.
So he felt very bad.
So since that time, revealed sight and human ecstasy.
So since that time, Rupa Goswami didn't feel any ecstasy.
Sayya asked Sanatan Goswami why he wasn't feeling ecstasy.
Sahi asked Sanathen Goswami why he wasn't feeling ecstasy.
He also handed some Vaishnava, said, you.
Must have offended some Vaishnava.
I don't know that I offended any Vaishnava.
I don't know that I've offended any Vaishnava.
So then why are you to come to a feast?
So he said, you can invite everybody.
To come to a feast who doesn't show up. Then you can know that he's the one who feels offended.
And the one who doesn't show up, you can know he's the one who feels offended.
So Sripaka Goswami did that.
Sripa Goswami did that.
And this one devotee didn't show up.
And this one devotee didn't show up.
So he went to his house.
So he went to his house and.
Asked why he didn't come.
And asked him why he didn't come.
Shy that he's not pretended some way.
That you felt offended, said you were laughing. He said you were laughing at me.
Actually, I was in ecstasy reading wonderful pastimes of Krishna.
He said, actually I was in ecstasy reading the wonderful pastimes of Krishna.
I didn't know you were there.
I didn't know you were there.
So like this, we children mutually forgive each other.
So like this, they mutually forgive each other.
And Vaishnava thought, I can take offense against Rupa Goswami.
So that Vaishnava didn't take offense against.
Rupaka Swami, he felt committed.
He failed to come. He committed an offense against Rupaka Swami.
Thinking that he had offended him.
Thinking that he had offended him.
So like this he drawed down. And after that, post contra ecstasy were.
So they bowed down and both of them got their back.
So like that, there's a terrible example.
So like that different examples are given.
So we don't want anyone even to think that we committed our hands against them.
So we don't want anybody to think that we committed offense against them.
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