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Arjuna inquirer which is considered to be more perfect? Those who are properly engaged in your devotional service or those who worship the impersonal Brahman? The unmanifested purport Krishna has has now explained about the personal, the impersonal and the universal and has described all kinds of devotees and yogis generally. The transcendentalists can be divided into two classes. One is the impersonalist and the other is the personalist. The personalist devotee engages himself with all energy in the service of the Supreme Lord. The impersonalist engages himself not directly in the service of Ka, but in meditation on the impersonal Brahman. The unmanifested we find in this chapter that of the different processes for realization of the absolute Truth, Bhakti Yoga, devotional service is the highest. If one at all desires to have the association of the supreme Personality of Godhead, then he must take to devotional service. Those who worship the Supreme Lord directly by devotional service are called personalists. Those who engage themselves in meditation on the impersonal Brahman are called impersonalists. Arjuna is here questioning which position is better. There are different ways to realize the absolute Truth. But Ka indicates in this chapter that Bhakti Yoga or devotional service to him is the highest of all. It is the most direct, and it is the easiest means for association with the Godhead. In the second chapter the Lord explains that a living entity is not the material body but is a spiritual spark, a part of the absolute truth. In the seventh chapter he speaks of the living entity as part and parcel of the supreme whole and recommends that he transfer his attention fully to to the whole. In the eighth chapter it is stated that whoever thinks of Ka at the moment of death is at once transferred to the spiritual sky, Ka's abode. And at the end of the sixth chapter the Lord says that out of all the yogis, he who thinks of Ka within himself is considered to be the most perfect. So throughout the Gita, personal devotion to Ka is recommended as the highest form of spiritual realization. Yet there are those who are still attracted to Ka's impersonal Brahma Jyoti effulgence, which is the all pervasive aspect of the Absolute Truth and which is unmanifest and beyond the reach of the senses. Arjuna would like to know which of these two types of transcendentalists is more perfect in knowledge. In other words, he is clarifying his own position. Because he is attached to the personal form of Ka, he is not attached to the impersonal Brahman. He wants to know whether his position is secure. The impersonal manifestation, either in this material world or in the spiritual world of the Supreme Lord is a problem for meditation. Actually, one cannot perfectly conceive of the impersonal feature of the Absolute Truth. Therefore, Arjuna wants to say, what is the use of such a waste of time? Arjuna experienced in the 11th chapter that to be attached to the personal form of Ka is best, because he could thus understand all other forms at the same time, and there was no disturbance to his love for Ka. This important question asked of Ka Bhairjuna will clarify the distinction between the impersonal and personal conceptions of the Absolute Truth.

The Krishna leaves himself open to be asked any question by Arjuna. So I just ask you. Well, sometimes you talk about impression on the Ram, sometimes you talk about personal, which is actually better in case you set it up in the following words that he said. In his opinion, the personal worship is the best. However, if someone followed the intestinal system, eventually richer are. But it's very difficult in the early stage. So question one. The direct eating process or the difficult process?

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How long you went to Easy process how long you went to dinner? I want to be a Hare Krishna, a natural. So after a number of days to go India to new darker. The doctor said he should go like slow granular route. So I went to be a Sri Lanka to navigate just for a few hours. But we managed to visit the temple and the orphanage and Yudh some program. Then we were Kuala Lumpur for four days and they had one session of the congregation of the temple are all gathered together to discuss Hajra and who the devotee of our relationships and many other topics. So I would ask to speak there. Then we write to Ha Gong in rural Bangkok. We only stayed in Bangkok like four hours, but they managed to bring out 20 Dorodis. Now usually Lingha is a very tough place to link devotees. But somehow now they are making a lot of Doritis. And so we talked to those devotees and one of the very influential people who were in the torch of fire on behalf of the nation of Thailand during the region in China here is there. So he of Rahila's a special ascendant. So naive was a very, very fruitful visit. Finally he needed to hologram for three nights and two days in Hollywood. Honora authorities have come from many countries. So leave that district three days, come to China and there we'll have some special healer. Julia Teenage, unfortunately already committed to going to Los Angeles. Hi, Dr. Atrutranda. Our dear doctor here. He told Ariana de La and the festival in India, they're definitely considering, right to China. He didn't promise anything. We're considered, we'll consider. He's determining it.

Diplomatic, politician.

You want to be a politician, you say? Anyway, see, they hardened and turned on. They said it's the healing heart here. You're right back. Actually, we're all a little bit affected by. We went. Then we went to Tokyo. We didn't stop, just changed flights to Hawaii, where we spent how many days? Two days, two and a half days. And the Lord is there gave us a very nice care, very nice attention. So the air there was very rich on the Internet. And they said Prabhupada had said there were vitamins in the Hawaiian air. Well, if you were reading this breathing and out in. So finally we reached last night here in New York. At that time Toshini was doing art.

Things.

And Jagannath Valdev Suvhaja and Shivawha. So then this afternoon we went to see one of the leading doctors in the world on a stroke of rehabilitation. And at the ucla. So he spent a lot of time. This is ours. And he personally examined me. He said I had to stent but I lacked the balance which a number of doctors had sent. He put my strength at 4 out of 5, which is something. He said, maybe he is restricted, but I had to force my vein till I learned to dance. And he said, normally it's also something automatic that's in the spinal cord. So one way or another, we should learn to know. It's going to be a long road for you. And they have therapy to lay neighbors, you know. So this is his opinion. He said he gets seen again in January. After we take one month of therapy here. Let's see what his opinion will be identity. So now here in Dwarka, we're going to take up the personal process of not realization only our Israel Hearing our Disney hallway. I know he was playing a joke on Anthony, jokes on him. We will call the process of Bakior. And in this way we hope that we'll achieve our success. And I'll leave on physical therapy. What happened? On Monday we attend a clinic here called High Home. The therapist also recommended by ICU ici. We will discuss with them tomorrow and next day. So like this, all the refrain. Tomorrow is a disappearance day. Srila Bhakti, Siddhanta Saraswati at the court as I asked to give a large return class.us that is live no life.

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Are that l I v e l a live. I found this channel. I will be getting a class in Tenderlook. Most of the devotees went on hard, so I'm getting class here. These are the new quarters. We have very nice quarters. The kitchen and the room for the secretary and dining table. The general president came and he said, you're welcome here. I set out be. I mean any causing you some disturbance? No, no. We would like you to be here. In fact, if you want, you can see it permanently. So everyone tells me, shouldn't Charlie stay here? And I only know from one authority the next or see some doctor or something. Casey, they can come and see you here. I'll be here for probably two months. If you want to see me. Ladies general manager baby. He invites you come here. And I heard that Sunday Ararat's coming and already afraid of Maharashtra here.

Yes.

And we have Rahul Pru is here. So come and join the party. And there's really a wedding very soon, very soon.

Next weekend. Really? Yeah, yeah. Before the 15th.

Yeah.

We might say before the 15th. Yeah.

Check the check the postmaster begins. I told before after Tosh. Because Tosh is not a good month for weddings in India. At least sometime in mid November. So mid December to mid January. January. So I heard that January 16th was Togo. So I did Togo. Using December 16th would be the beginning of the postmaster. It's the last month in the year. I usually would attend the Rakshatra in tonight for Matura. So they have the Rashatra either on the last day of the year or the first day of the new year. But there new year is in Lakhara san crime. The last city called floating. When you learn something old in the house, it's like a synthetic getting into the old, learning the old, letting in the new. So anyway, it's worry unless we came, we went to tonight. We also had a very nice program there and a nice situation there. We turned out some of the machines they just got new. Anybody watching? Anyone?

Yeah, nine people.

Can you tell where you come from?

Three hours later in those time it's already midnight. Midnight. Already midnight. The east coast is talking how many watching tomorrow?

What time is it in India?

10 o' clock in the morning.

10:40. No.

Morning time.

Any questions? Internet can also ask a question. They said they had society a loud seeker to me. But the loud seeker was taken high now. So I was present in Naifar when Ashura Prabhupada was speaking on the occasion of the Dissenters of Lakshi Siddhartha Sara Sat and shall speak on that and other things tomorrow. So any questions?

If Krishna says that impersonalist way, it's more difficult than personal. Krishna is giving that way. Why is Krishna giving the personal and the impersonal way? No, he said because it's impersonal. It's more difficult. Why is Krishna giving that an option?

Los Angeles. You can go to New York by non stop flight. Either in four hours or you can go by train. How many days can you go by bus? Also takes many days. Or you can drive or like our Bhakti Margo Hatch. You know what? So why does the government offer these office? Why did I just put everybody on a plane and wants to go on a plane? You see, it's a free world. You can do what you want. If someone wants to take it a difficult way, that's something they are a miracle to the personal idea. They don't like it, they don't like Krishna. They don't go out of their way to offend Krishna, but they like the personal way. So Krishna gives them some way that they can reach him. Bora just ram on the thing. After many, many verses we realize that Krishna is everything. Having reached Krishna. So this religious mercy because foolishness that they keep up difficult, difficult path. Why undertake the simple path but he gets oxygen anyone that they can take whichever way they want. I was one time trying to make a life a theologian. He was really into the impersonal truth. Naked almost in his closet.

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Chant Hare Krishna. He said, okay. I first had to chant my own. I said later again Shanti, I've not finished it. Oh yes. When I showed him in the 14th chapter last verse it says Krishna says Ramno Patricia Ho. I am the basis. I am the support for the impression of the lodge. My whole life has been worshipping the intentional truth as the origin is a racist. So here my eye I see tomorrow. He was really really upset. Next thing I went to see him. He was smiling, helping. I said no. What happened? I called one of the professors at University Al Assam Sanskrit and I asked him what is Brahmana? Who teach the hum? Oh, that means Krishna be the laces of the four headed Brahma, which was her part. The Siddhali said, doesn't mean that. Anyway, I realized this guy's a tough nut. If I get too heavy, he's going to cry out. So Prabhupada said, if you get someone who's like a die hard. Intentional literature engagement in devotion service don't Talk philosophy. After that I didn't talk any more philosophy to him, but I let him engage in Norsemen. After some years, he came to me and said, you know, Lord, it's starting to understand about the personal truth. I think I have relieved personality, right? So eventually, if they're not new and then they call the Krishna, they can come to the right path. There are some people that's what they want to believe. So hi Krishna, are the tvs healthy.

By your mercy, Maharaj and next question. And sometimes even if I want understand Krishna more personally and I realize that.

All the time I don't understand.

Krishna. I try understand Krishna Krishna more personally. But in my experience is not possible without spiritual master and without devotees mercy. It's not possible by my. If I won't force this process, it's not work. But when I can see you, I can listen to you. I can see that devotees and benefits it's work. Otherwise it's like today also when I see Guru Maraj on the temple and I feel the need is more personal with you in that time. Thank you very much.

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Your handle better that you have it. Who has a mic hooked up.

Mic.

Broadcasting has been done by. So you heard? Yeah, yeah, I hear also. But I did. I didn't pay attention, but it's clearly. Yeah, yeah. The. The song in the all those Internet. Did you hear what you said? Do you understand? You see what I mean? You are. So we keep the picture of our guru on the plate and show the fixture the guru and guru her and all her deities as all things and all the deities they laid offer to the Guru Khanhara and offered to the guru to be taking their offering through the guru. Through the guru Bharat true Krishna Krishna first off to Krishna and then we offer down to the six God finally down to Krishna. This idea that we should think Guru is always there worship through the guru. The guru is present in some gates. So there are six years because the guru is not present. He no longer so thinking your realization is not wrong. Correct. That we should think our worship that way you will feel more connected to Krishna. Any other question.

In this connection? I was wondering one time I asked my guru Radhana Swami, how do we feel the same inspiration that we feel when you're with us. When you're not with us. And it was a big issue. And he just in humility said, I don't know how you feel inspired when I am with you. That was the end of the conversation. So I was wondering when Mataji was saying when you came in the temple, the chief felt Ka's presence more the deity more personally. So I was wondering how can we feel the guru's presence or get the inspiration from Nirvani in the same way like now we're with you, we feel our consciousness is raised automatically.

Initially we see the guru when you see the girl, when you're approaching that's called raku sedan. So that brings its kind of information. But sometimes even when a girl is present, we might not. This is the first day. So she's doing it. I've been here for one month, six weeks, eight weeks. We hope she'll still be on the same line. But otherwise, sometimes the audience starts to think. They grow for granted and they start thinking other things. Even if we were present, the mind may go up. So if we are thinking, if we're actually in separation of the then that is not exactly the same. But it can be more intense because we're thinking of Ka is rather a thinking of Guru that he's a peasant through his learning. At the same time we feel separation, we feel some connection. But in that moment, it's very difficult to forget the guru. Now actually see that separation of the guru is absent. That's like a high state. I was watching a video once of a Prabhupada getting on the ethnic bus is already crying. Oh, fellows leaving. But one rode was chanting kids down smiling. I was with the high serious. And he said. When Prabhupada saw that, he said, this devotee is not my advanced story. Because the guru is needing everybody all in such situation. He is like calm and ecstasy. But so on maternity body would feel the gurus leaving. You feel something. So it's a question of maturity of your devotional service. If you're feeling separation, you cannot forget the guru. If you're actually feeling to reach that stage, it's not. No, that's also like.

So.

Thank you. I'm happy I got to ask the question because when I first met you here in New Dorka Bhagwat Kripa introduced me when I was getting ready for book distribution. I was standing next to him and he said, so do you have any questions? And I was so nervous and I was just Homraj. He looked at me and said, you should always have a question. Maybe 10 years ago.

I heard telling you on Sunday next Sunday the 13th. Yeah, that Sunday.

Next Sunday.

Yeah, a week from next Sunday.

So we're also looking for. I saw that the yatra in Nayapa. I officially welcomed everybody and he had Me giving class on Chaitanya childhood past time with him. He told me nice. So then apparently when I felt sick last year at the November thing. October, November he had his yatra praying for me. And he also sent doctors to watch a ring while I was at the Hinuja hospital. It was not the easiest thing for the doctors to be at another hospital. Because doctors are normally treated with great respect. Oh, you're a doctor, a nurse, stand up. Particularly a bully life ass nurse. She turned off the others occasionally listen to the doctors. And our doctors they lost another hospital. So they would chase up their doctor who is in charge of the ICU. And to make some point to I got something I needed. And he was like. He gave him a hard time. But they're doing all this on the will of the right on his family. So this year when I went. He has said that you all pray. I share this in prison. So Christian heard our prayer. You said it is today the doctors are 50% plus patients who give this death of the stroke, hemorrhage of the fun. Then they died. So he said in India there are some doctors that are studying for 15, 20 years and neurologists. They said they never suddenly survived. If something survived, they were like vessels. So they called me on your face that by next year you come and join Yacha dancing.

We saw you dancing with Rana song in the Panihati. That was ecstatic.

Well, kind of support by the worst. The physical impediment is going to stop the tomorrow there is a Bhavam class. So better to take early rest. 23. So is there anything I said any last question Here. Hurry. Raise your hand.

No, no.

I was saying you raise your hand. I.

I'm sorry, I don't know English. Well, I will try so many times as you tolerate many mistake of disciple or something other devotees. But in last year I realized that I cannot tolerate many things. But I love devotees. And I want learn how to be more humble. But it's supposed to be so difficult. And I won't ask why it's so difficult here. Very humble. I won't cooperate with all devotees and be like. Lord Chaitanya said that we cannot change that properly Hare Krishna Mahamantra if we are not humble like we are not following for like for his instruction to Natasha. But it's most difficult for me right now. I realize be humble. And my question. How? How can be humble? How I can be humble?

Yes, it's long question. Very short. But it's very long.

Yeah, it's very hot.

Is that the project Star Nature. So when I was at noon devotee I was told. I forget who told me song giving advice saying it was Rupha that you should see the good and bad otherworld and you want to follow the good. And you discriminate what is not good. And you don't want to follow that. So some noise have phrase good. But then they did something weird. Some have a Grammy bad, they didn't do something good. So accordingly, you just take it and you don't like all of the wood are all done. Use all the wood. A light of that. So I felt like that it was easy to practice Krishna consciousness. And I didn't have to worry about good or bad. They just did some things disregarded some things which were not. Some things that I wanted to follow. I didn't like their enthusiasm. I didn't like the way they criticized others. So I avoided criticizing. But I tried to take out that vision. So I like it if that sounds dangerous. If we want to advise him, well, we can. But then we should also discern him. How will we tell them? Will they take it if their senior. My son is not our senior leader. It's not our position to correct them. But we could ask a question. Like in India, sometimes the audience is coming. Maharaj, can I ask you a question? I think you are taking any offense to ask you a question. Do I have the permission to ask you a question or not? Well, that's what time they ask you up. No, something's up. Okay. And then they express whatever the doubt is about something you did. So that's what you really. I mean, either you take offense. They're not at fault. It's the right of the two years. What I always ask the senior any question. You're right to ask the guru the question. Yes. His duty is to the Acharya is to say Jay Rachana is supposed to be a standard. So if you ask the question that you heard this thing on. Sometimes I wonder whether I should also caveat. As I look to you as a very senior Vaishnava Vaishnavi. So it's amazing. A big difference. If they do that, you technically didn't do anything wrong. So the sensors will never come in. So in this way humble. At the same time they are certain. If you want to make friends, I want you to know. Don't expect any. Pray for yourself. Offer all appreciation to others. Especially your appreciation to others. You'll find a lot of people like you. Everybody likes to be appreciated. She didn't have to say that Astrick they don't like Alice is really longing it even just hard that you want to evolve. So usually there's something related about almost anyway, so in this way, if you have it all there came with Julian to act in such a way that they reinforce the good appreciation of God and other things aligning at his side all. Thank you for watching our videos. Be sure to subscribe to our channel.

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