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The supreme personality of God has said, fearlessness, purification of one's existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, posterity, simplicity, non violence, truthfulness, freedom from anger, renunciation, tranquility, aversion to false findings, compassion for all other entities, freedom from covetousness, gentleness, modesty, steady determination, vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor. These transcendental qualities, O Sampharita, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature. In the beginning of the 15th chapter, the Banyan tree of this material world was explained. The extra roots coming out of it were compared to the activities of the living entities, some auspicious, some inauspicious. In the ninth chapter, also the devas or godling and the asuras, ungodly or demons, were explained. Now, according to Vedic rites, activities in the mode of goodness are considered auspicious for progress on the path of liberation. And such activities are known as diet prakriti. Transcendental by nature. Those who are situated in the transcendental nature made progress on the path of liberation. For those who are acting in the modes of passion and ignorance on the oven, there is no possibility of liberation. Either they will have to remain in this material world as human beings, or they will descend among the species of animals or even lower life forms. In the 16th chapter, the Lord explains both the transcendental nature and its attendant qualities and the demoniac nature and its qualities. He also explains the advantages and disadvantages of these qualities.

Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, it works. Yeah, it works. So these are colonies, I think the divine nature, not divine nature. This is the divine nature. These qualities, basically Arjuna hair later on. Divine quality. This is divine power. In this verse, in this chapter, the divine and demonic quality of mention. So our nature is. We have both these tendencies in this Kaliyuga in this Earth planet. So sometimes the influence of divine as Sometimes I use divine. Now we want to. I think this is a very helpful chapter because we can see, okay, these are divine qualities. These are the divine qualities. We should avoid the divine and we should aspire for the divine. And that's the nature lost in Molle Woodens are helpful to us. Ignorance are nonhuman. So when you see those, you see that a lot of the qualities that people at there today are denying. Just like the easy advertising cash in. He has a passion for life, he has a passion for this. But technically speaking, it's not a divine quality the way that they utilize it. Now, Arjuna or Other great souls they have a desire they are Shatriya motive attachment so they have followed the certain rules of the Lord attachment But their cleverness was always to those are nothing to please Krishna that's what their purpose in life are they don't seek any supreme Lord they don't see a need so he caused everything it seems like their own has come from sex life has come from this like some kind of interaction of the material nature so in this way the divine people right now they have a very big although in America 99% of the people are living but a lot of the qualities are divine Today we work on being a murderer to the. To the place where doing physiotherapy and suddenly said one of the persons begins to and he never had anything that's changed in his life I didn't know it's true or not he said he liked it and he said he'll try a total of total challenge or make the progress in any case, you know, hated to ask and Lord here mom students at the category people they don't know I had a disciple, his name was Jacob later he admonished there are Chandraj so he was always a Christian in India and he said that Thomas the St. Thomas of the Twelve Apostles came to India and landed in South India and set up the church there and then he went to Chennai, Madras and there he was. So they got some very old texts in India of the Christian thing and then they found that like St. Augustus and others or Rajani they lead them in carnation this was there up to the 5th century. So later it got worked out Some say there was a deal made of the Guianta of Constantinople I don't know the reality but some say that he didn't deal with it he'll make his shine one night I'll make him the state of the day. I don't know that's what they say. Some people say anything I was shown the teachings of Rastas and others they were definitely vegetarians and they will be in incarnation. So how much of the original teachings are now given to the Christians At Santa scripts before they were saying that women didn't have a soul now they say okay, we're going to have a soul. Now they say animals don't have a soul. Then the Asian pope said animals have the breath of life. So what is the breath of life? What is the soul? We believe that everyone has a soul and there isn't so and they go who loves her the next? And rash they gave youth birth in A yogurt. Some are devoted, some are demons. The both categories are there. Who wants to reward you? A lot of the things we're taught in our universities or taught in our different forms of knowledge are basically the demonic teachings and ship. This chanter is not discussed much but it's actually going to be a very important chanter. I was thinking because I was invited last year before I had a stroke to I can say last year 2008 and about two weeks it'll be 2016 of the year you brought us. But now last year I gave a lecture at the Unitarian Church and they are very open. They haven't had. They have a few holy texts and they're growing so. But I was invited to several other churches to go for something to take discussion. So I was thinking that it would be nice to have excerpts from Egypt like Christianity Protestant and what you call the Roman Catholic Islam Buddhism Net exercise panel expert for each religion it comes up with things that are similar, things are different, how he faces different people. Her name is Radhi Videdasi. She written a book about the Sikh and Vaishnav. How the Sikh and the Vaishnava are very much in harmony at the Sikhs mention the name Volumna Ariel thousands of times in their friendship. So she. She shows how if you one of the practice she gets a prophet also following the things something like that. So this kind of literature would be interesting to have as a resource to reach out because many people they don't know what a Christian conscience is. As Prabhupada said that Krishna conscious is his the postgraduate study for all the different religions they can study their own religion and then postgraduate will be Krishna consciousness Because in most of the religions they don't really have inclination at all personality or godhead spiritual world, you know, like the Old Testament they show Moses dark road Shah flaming bush. What is Krishna and God? What does he look like? What does he do? It's a deep mystery. I never know something called mystery. So I went to the Mars once. I was right at the time. I did the teachment on here to go there many, many years ago, 30 years ago or something. And we went to a Salt Lake City in Utah and he found out it took a lot to get through to find out what was the core philosophy. And he found out I believe that everyone gets the very science they can become the creator of the universe and they can create so much prajna. That's why they had the door they were practicing on you. It sounded like Rama Nizam, like the Elite Brahma and one of their children would be Jesus bring God. This is a mystery we don't think that's been revealed. You know as the universe has unlimited billions of universes. Adam has a creator vegan becoming a creator which we also believe that someone who's verified they could become a more dramatic. It took a lot like a whole day to actually get them to say what was their real philosophy. Otherwise they have movies how the dog going up in heaven grand grandfather and grand daughter and grandson and all wearing white robes and hugging each other, eating other. What was the philosophy that they took a lot of scrolling to find out. Ultimately they don't believe us. They don't say the hidden or his they don't know at least they didn't know like that it's interesting but they did lead it in a kind of crazy like a runoff and they say that Jesus if that were true that maybe he is the son of Lord Rama Brahma who knows Prabhupada said that Jesus was in Namjam Loka and there he's very loyal followers and common medium Canton John Locker is associated with a very exalted planet beyond.

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That'S very interesting those planets they highly have that kind of heads in there. They're just thinking of the whales there of the universe. So a little bit, you know shall we say material well being of the universe. So my visas are different braid shells of the armor who have these very good colleagues. A colleague that one time Bakli Sananta Saraj was asked to come and sit at Samosala but he said he could only he shouldn't sing any prana. He does the obey pranas it's okay. And they say well, you shouldn't speak on the okay the only thing on the board okay in China only there you don't know. So we have even the barriers they say I agree the answers Om Krishna life Satirandigana Krishna Adi Bhuja Krishna Gujaratuvram Krishna Krishna is the original personality of other is the supreme death 9 of version in the original data also very much Although it's not the overwhelming teaching of the probabilities but it's. It's there. So it's version very similar to the wrong something that I remember anyway brought up Prabhupada in the Pulmona 19th Assembly. He said that we needed all the group pious activities he did before and everything was devotees. I don't see any of these good qualities. I don't see how I did healing devotees. I don't see these good qualities in him I would say the person that said this is my friend but he's here and I know anyway that is 1971 so and rasitated he looked and he said I made a good fortune for you. I made your good fortune for you. So he may not have done all these pious activities of provide mercy. He can also make our good virtue. So that's what he said he did in some cases the idea that if you have achieved devotional service, you don't have to do any other Thai activity. You can directly discontinue with your devotional service that is enough. So you have your chips and your slits are questions. We have a mic for questions here. Pass it on. Anyone has a question on this verse Questions right here. Question here. Don't ask him to take too long. Okay?

Have a saying. Don't fight the hand that feeds you. So based upon what you just said about, you know, you just told that story where Prabhupada said to that devotee, I made you of good qualities, I've created a good fortune. So it sounds like it's, you know, our being here, our ability to be here in Christian is just all problematic. Mercy, you said he created our good fortune. So what is the position of the at one time in the movement and there were followers of Srila Prabhupada who have given up following Srila Prabhupada but are still practicing devotional service in some form or another. They actually really still engage in devotional service even though they've given up following Srila Prabhupada. Is it possible for somebody to be a devotee really actually be a devotee and give up following Srila Prabhupada? Well, they, they've given up, you know, the following the GBC of this movement, you know, sort of broke company with the International Society of Christian Council practicing emotional service outside, you know.

Very active yet anymore if there are ultimate say that practicing some hands they're still vegetarian and she has Iran they do Buddha in their house. They don't say that they're not the warriors, they're not the actors, they're not any of their palm and it is unpracticed by shame. I saw them after a long time I thought the devotees and I do it but now I learned of history devotees I know the karm what they are so I seen also deal with that. I don't like to break in your mouth. He tried to bring them wrong at the same time like there was like Mitai he Took some initiation from Shastaji or someone in Shaitara said he will not get a guru for 200,000 births. So he slaves. You know, I reduced it 10 million addition to 200,000. We don't want to give up. Maybe there's some people that don't follow our street but they might not the organs who are the loyal followers of the DNC and is but nonetheless they have some pretty strict they may come here on gymnast or some occasion. I heard that my vi they said that this nice piece I that piece was so nice in the rich although they don't believe in the guru eventually recently we have another so called Ricky shop for doing that to discount in Malaysia. So they may not realize that is kind of carrying on the power of water. So they came back and also had so we would like to send everyone and something out there who are not yet families have decided to react very much critical and negative. They probably won't come they have so that they come and people who are not people who are inilitable who are hypocritical and they could destroy their faith or she's loving green will lend their whatever you can. Apart from that I am not a judge for hero until they let you know their situation in general. Returned back to his book Returning the actors you I have a little question about the modes of nature and devotional service. It's a little confusing topic to me. Sometimes we understand that devotional service or devotees are transcendental but then other times I've heard that we can perform devotional service also contaminated by different modes of nature. Can you explain this a little bit for me please? I was asking about that Sometimes I've heard that two things. One is that devotional service and devotees are transcendental. And sometimes I also hear that devotional service can be performed influenced by the modes of nature like in passion in ignorance and goodness or transfer pure goodness. I was just a little curious about this to his mother devotee he describes that there's devotion, goodness, passion, ignorance and mischief yellow, red and blue in our community like 16 million colors and a lot of street fish up ignorance of I say so much in the devotional service I say wanted to get us a kingdom greater than his father's. So his initial motive was once he realized Narana Then he said I got diamonds, there are jib. But I wanted to get a robe of glass. So he changed after it became human. Each of these mixed orders it says hijab they have a sad rightist motive and not exactly in harmony With Krishna pure devotee please one kind of pure work selling millions of guns next door not triggered one heart passion are his righteousness example his sons I want to know I want to show this Lord I am greater rewarded in him they say our inner so that they could be the one devotion mixed with ignorance Art is your motive is complete Krishna and it's a pure record in the morning is something else but your reason isn't good enough to achieve something passion so again from the prophetic some Hindus of devotion with the idea that they'll get from God some kind of material benefits There's. There's her they turn on the radio they know and in Mahalaya so there the world needs peaceful ignites the curse of these human beings down there this this I want this I want that like they're all sh. And then there's the. The her demons for the dig Give me. Give me alcohol Give me education Give me this, give me all that things are not ignorant so there's a I don't want this I don't want that. So there are some people who worship God maybe not this kind of audience but there's some people they worship God they are the Lord Give them a good house, a good life good this, good that. So it's not Kirigaki they don't know about Kirigaki. See so links have our spiritual master her Please save us this is why they shot we don't just ask from material things without qualifying so some noise I heard I didn't hear directly I heard from other voices that Ramachola and Sama is the seventh Any of his disciples would take birth in heavenly times that they wanted to come to light so maybe the tenement who was coming off till they left but they did so much in the service because they you know little bucky for the long run you want to go back to your he said mainly want to do that he should mainly want to please Krishna now if there's some devotee that a little mix then he may not it is high and Lord in either Srira or America he had a. He was unusual it what do you think.

But I don't think so.

We go to therapy of Northwind so we're like four or five people in the car so you go in the car hold it you see all the other cars backed up in the television jam I don't know they feel like this is sort of all over I don't heard those jams at least roads in LA are good roads in New York Next question. Ladies. Question. What's your name?

Michelle. Michelle.

Michelle.

Sorry. I had asked some devotees this question and I was. I was wondering what your response would be to clarify my. My doubts. I was. In my experience, I. I feel that there's a lot of times where I still commit, you know, like karmic things like how in one of the chapters about where it talks about we're giving charity. My tendency to give charity. But sometimes it's not necessarily, in fact giving complete, you know, something pure like prashadam or, you know, giving the born way.

And.

But say it's something else that somebody's helping something and they're not necessarily practicing strictly. They're just somebody outside, you know, regular working person. So to help them in any way other than pushing consciousness directly. If it's indirectly. Can you clarify how to understand what is considered proper and not proper? Favorable and not favorable.

She wants to, you can correct me for me.

I think she wants to know what is proper charity for a devotee. You know, what is proper charity and what is improper charity.

In the Bhagavad Gita, Hare Krishna says everything we do I should redone. As if I'll pray to him. So I think you mentioned that maybe you can give up the shama or shaman directly. A Christian answer that's ideal. Like. Like in India, you got a. A vigorous would come to the window casting the money. You don't really know who is mummified. Now then there may be a situation where my son, devotee poor, has done maybe some disease or a child's disease. A child has some special needs and that the body needs help. So we can give the help. If you have means, we should reveal the door. I'm doing this. On the other Krishna. I'm doing this. Yes, this is worthy of Krishna. She is worthy of Krishna. And so I was stuck on time. I was journeying from. From LA to Chicago. And then on the way we got a car accident. And so he told me. So I went up to dinner and that was like 1970. So there was a New Jersey. And that time they were very new, you know. So they asked how I started. I didn't have too much idea. Being a drone shadow, whatever I know I showed, I sure was wrong. So then they helped me to get to Chicago. It was very kind and strong. And I helped to start the Chicago Center. I said the old tower. So I think that the help given was given to the idea that this was a Christian practice. Help. And we usually do recommend to our. Our congregation. We can get either anonymously or however they want in the name of Ka they can get help if there's another person in desired need the idea of this they should please Krishna not if they're doing it because they think that they don't think the kind ways it is good out of policy of demons if they do with the idea that there is something bad in return forgive each other and say in time thanks for understanding but to a worthy first thinking of worthy that should know the goodness if they do it because it's repeating to Ka then it's Krishna say 12 things which are Krishna the standard of devotees Last question Thank you for your presence thank you for being here My question is I was wondering if you could tell us your most heartwarming or most heavy experience with Prabhupada Personal.

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One time the toilet chatteran and there I saw that in the crate of the door there was a lighter A very highly poisoned snake which is trying to hit driver and grandpa was holding his snake in the crack of the door so he said Help honey, what do you do? And I opened the door the Shenang was right to our rock I didn't know what to do then at the moment and then I thought okay because I closed the door his heart composed his fingers wrapped around the close the door I crushed this thing and then I opened it and grabbed Bhagwat Highly distinct well in the crushed state I'll not be able to let her so I crushed I pulled her out of the boat I crushed the snake in the dark and then also dark pulled her we were told that if it is always snakes one perished at locals and the name of the snake will look in the eyes be a large person and then like snake vengeance right in this animals so they are learning snake Also the snake doesn't die until nighttime so the tail gets bigger until night and diet daytime is two hours fish I didn't find his written in his shots the crowd was concerned where's the next he saw another snake go down the pole behind so ran us to find that snake he was thinking that someone has planned thank you for watching our videos Be sure to subscribe to our channel. We publish new videos every day and don't forget to like and share our channel.