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So on the occasion of Christian we have appearance of Lord Jesus Christ. We are reading from an article, Hare Krishna.

I'm assuming that all of you know and love Jataka Mah very much. Is this true?

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So just to bring everybody up to speed, Mahar suffered a very traumatic stroke about a year ago and he is on a speedy road to recovery. Somehow or other this has fortunately brought him into our midst. He's currently undergoing therapy in Southern California and so we're very fortunate he's coming here to speak at our temple on Christmas Day. He's on his way down on a whirlwind preaching tour that's going to take him down to Tijuana. And we're also hoping to have an association on his way back through town. So if Maj is inclined, and if you all give him a very, very warm Laguna beach welco, we are hoping that he'll be pleased to come here again and again during his stay in Southern California. So mom has chosen a section of the Science of Self Realization pertaining to the Lord Jesus Christ and he's asking to read the title is Jesus Christ as a Guru? The spiritual leader of the Hare Ka movement here recognizes Lord Jesus Christ as the son of God, the representative of God, our guru, our spiritual master. Yet he has some sharp words for those who currently claim to be Christ's followers. The Rmad Bhagavatam states that any bona fide creature of God tafts us must have the qualities of titiph tolerance and kurunna. In the character of Lord Jesus Christ, we find both these qualities. He was so tolerant that even while he was being crucified, he didn't condemn anyone. And he was so compassionate that he prayed to God to forgive the very persons who were trying to kill him. Of course, they could not actually kill him, but they were thinking that he could be killed. So they were committing a great offense. As Christ was being crucified, he prayed, father, forgive them. They know not what they are doing. A preacher of Ka consciousness is a friend to all living beings. Lord Jesus Christ exemplified this by teaching, thou shalt not kill. But the Christians like to misinterpret this instruction. They think the animals have no soul and therefore they think they can freely kill billions of innocent animals and slaughterhouses. So although there are many persons who profess to be Christians, it would be very difficult to find one who strictly follows the instructions of the Lord Jesus Christ. A Vaishnav is unhappy to see the suffering of others. Therefore, Lord Jesus Christ agreed to be crucified to Free others from their suffering. A Vaishnav is unhappy to see the suffering of others. Therefore, Lord Jesus Christ agreed to be crucified to free others from their suffering. But his followers are so unfaithful that they have decided, let Christ suffer for us and we will go on committing sin. They love Christ so much they think, my dear Christ, we are very weak. We cannot give up our sinful activities. So you please suffer for us. Jesus Christ taught, thou shalt not kill. But his followers have now decided, let us kill anyway. And they opened big modern, scientific slaughterhouses. If there is any sin, Christ will suffer for us. This is the most abominable conclusion. Christ can take the sufferings for the previous sins in his devotees. But first they have to be sane. Why should I put Jesus Christ into suffering for my sins? Let me stop my sinful activities. Suppose a man, the favorite son of his father, commits a murder. And suppose he thinks, if there is any punishment coming, my father can suffer for me. Will the law allow it when the murderer is arrested and says, no, no, you can release me and arrest my father. I am his pet son. Will the police officials comply with that fool's request? He's committed the murder, but he thinks his father should suffer the punishment. Is that a sane proposal? No. You have committed the murder. You must be hanged. Similarly, when you commit sinful activities, you must suffer, not Jesus Christ. That is God's law. Jesus Christ was such a great personality. The Son of God, the representative of God. He had no fault. Still, he was crucified. He wanted to deliver God consciousness. But in return they crucified him. They were so thankless, they could not appreciate his preaching. But we appreciate him and give him all honor as the representative of God. Of course, the message of Christ, the message that Christ preached, was just according to his particular time, place and country, just through this particular group of people. But certainly he is the representative of God. Therefore, we adore Jesus Christ and offer our obeisances to him. Once in Melbourne, a group of Christian ministers came to visit me. They asked, what is your idea of Jesus Christ? I told them, he's our guru. He is preaching God consciousness. So he is our spiritual master. The ministers very much appreciate that. Actually, anyone who is preaching God's words must be accepted as a guru. Jesus Christ was one such great personality. We should not think of him as an ordinary human being. The Scriptures say that anyone who considers a spiritual master to be an ordinary man has a hellish mentality. If Jesus Christ were an ordinary man, then he could not have Delivered God consciousness.

My name is. There's a lot of interesting points of Royal Diary that we accept Jesus Christ as a guru, a son of God, of the church, and that we adore him and respect him. This is accounting. Now one thing is in the Krishna conscious movement, maybe we don't have reconstruction. We don't make a big fan about our respect for Jesus, but we call it his teachings. He said, thou shalt not kill. We don't kill any animals. We are vegetarians and avoid any kind of violence. Similarly, we avoid committing any kind of sin or activity, not the fruits of sin and. And go back and sin again. At least those who take initiation, they try very sincerely to avoid all the sins. And these are epitomized by the far disturbance of the religious principles. The core religious principles are honesty and discipline, friendliness, honest and mercy. Right? So the part of the story there is illicit connections, illicit sex, that he is me. At the sight of mercy, this connection is destroyed. Friendliness, gambling and intoxication. So these four things we avoid because they destroy the four principles of religion that we try our hearts, those are initiated, they do that. Those who are just beginning, maybe they have difficulty or doing all. But at least we say that at least they showed you by it. You see, there's a nice example arguing in the Uvedic Puranas that there's two kinds of mercy. See, one is like the cat takes a kick by the neck and lows the kick from here and there. The king doesn't do anything. Everything is done by being a cat. So that's like those who say that I didn't have to do anything. If I believe, if I believe, that's enough. Everything we got for me. Then there's a baby monkey. Another doesn't do anything. Another jumps from one branch, another. But the lady holds on to this mother. So which is your birthright? Which one? The baby cat. See Charles? Or is that coming in? Is it Charles? So I mean, neither of the two is a perfect accommodation. You see, we're like foam in a dark well. And the rope is handed down to us. And we had to hold on the rope and then we pulled up. So it's a combination of our desire, our holy other rope and some coins out. So the two things I need. It's not like you care. So I met one person in Miami airport. He said, why is he. Why don't you believe in Jesus? We don't have anything. He said, he can enjoy as much as we want. He's died for our sins. Why does it say that? No, it said that in the Bible. I didn't know. I didn't think it said that in the Bible. I read the Bible a few times. You do anything you want. And Jesus has graduated sins. So Prabhupada here, he's saying that the guru, the guru takes, his disciples are sent. Now if the disciples are rushed over the guru, they will avoid. Once they take initiation from the guru, they will avoid doing any sins because by doing so they'll cause Allah suffering from the Uruk. I was serving him in 1977 when he was in Vrindavan. He was sitting on his back. So he one time I would.

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To me and he looked at his arms and just said, just in and wrong. This is because I took too many unqualified disciples. So I have to suffer a digital family occasional song like this. Jesus died on the cross. At least that was he was crucified, as I was saying. And he was. But he didn't take the offense of the gruesome liars of the executioners. He paid for their soul. And so he was merciful, he was forgiving, he was tolerant. He had all the good qualities of a great soul. So he should reject him for that. See, it's not that because we're Krishna conscious. Oh, you don't like Jesus or you don't like. It's not like we don't have this kind of negative good thing or any religion. Whoever has the qualities of the great devotee, we appreciate that. That's why. So once the president of India, we gave him wah wah waheeda, he's Islam, he's immoral in his name and word culture. He said, is this a religious ruler or is it a spiritual ruler? He said it's spiritual because we respect Islam, we respect the Christian, we respect everyone who is truly a holy person, says, okay then I only accept it or heal for you. So this is our system that we respect people based on their actual activities. So Lord Jesus as he showed that he had good qualities. But one thing is that he said, thou shalt not kill. But how? Prabhupada raised his point up with the Cardinal Davilu and he said, if animals don't have soul, he said, how can you say that? Can you just eternity according to your own convenience. He'll eat, animal eat. He'll sleep. Animals sleep. You see that humans mate, Animals mate, humans fight, animals defend themselves. So how can you say animal doesn't have a soul? On what basis? Well, he said all this are doing in consciousness. She said, okay, the does that meaning if you have, say you have a retired brother and you say deterrence and my brother is a retarder, he is not as intelligent as I am. So I cut him out. Is that okay? Parents are loved. So like the Prabhupada was he would, his tendency was to take a point and he would just yell or down and you know, until you have either an answer or not. So in this case it was very clear that if you wanted to follow Jesus, he shouldn't eat me, he should not kill. Then they're saying, well you see him and me to kill animals. Why did he say to kill an animal? You're saying Jesus is not intelligent. He know truth is words, right? If you wanted to say human beings, you would have said thou shalt not murder. You can only murder a human, but you kill a human, you kill animals, you can. Killing is like gentlemen. So he said, thou shalt not kill. So in one sense I think I didn't know how to follow Jesus when I was a so called Christian. But by becoming Christian conscious then we learned to appreciate Jesus more and to follow him. Because all the things that we thought, well, he's dying for our sins, but that's not the point. We don't want to overburden him just because he's merciful. Rather he should avoid committing sin. I would respect his teachings. So like this Prabhupada, he was writing a teaching of Jesus and he said, we'll try to follow his instructions. We try to follow his example. Of course in our own tradition we have our Vedic tradition, we have many examples of great souls who have done similarity, like the Lord. Lord God, like Karadara, he loves pictures of our conscience. To his fellow students and to his father. Father said, you accept fire of God, otherwise I'll kill you. He said, I cannot accept you as God. You're not God. And so I said, okay, at sunset I kill you. Will your God save you? He's in this pillar. He's everywhere, he's omnipresent. So he's here also in this pillar. Okay, let us see if he's saved you now. In the father's room, butchered his little five year old innocent child. I heard that here in Orange county they took a machine, they take you into the department and they wanted to say, just see these people, they worship this half man, half I, I was all dependent. But the lawyers, in their wisdom they said no, they can't malign our religion like that. But his father was abusing his son and the Lord kills the rejected devotee. Nothing wrong with it. The father said, I want to kill the animal. I want to kill by man. So I give half animal, half man. That's a nice history, you know that? So Balad Maharaj is one example. Hydra Sakur, who came as one of the devotees of Lord Caitanya Pansha Chakra. He was born to be a man, a Hindu organized Muslim. He came everywhere he went, he was trying to chant. So he was arrested by the police. Had Radnya at that time there was Nawab, kind of a Muslim ruler. So he was asked, why are you being born Muslim? Why are Cheney the Hindu name of God? He said, God is not a Hindu or Muslim. God is transcendental. I like the name in Sanskrit. I said, but I don't harm anyone. So the king, he's not harming anyone. But his Ayatollah, his mother has faced. Just don't know. If you let one guy chant, all of he goes, start chanting. Hello, big problem. So this is Haram. He should be thrown in jail. He should be punished. So Haridas Takar was thrown in jail. What was his offense? He was saying, named the Lord Inchancement, Haridisha, Hare Krishna. So in jail, he renewed to chant Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna, Krishna, Krishna. He was very blissful, very healthy. So the other prisoners, they said, what's wrong with you? Why are you healthy and you're in this hellhole? This is a prison, you should do something. He said, no, you're all very fortunate. You're in your honor now. You're calling us fortunate being this prison? Why are you making jobs with us? No, I'm not making a job. You see, everyone in the whole world is in a prison. This material world is a kind of prison house. But they don't know it. You are in division and division. So you know it. So you're actually fortunate. So if you change Hare Krishna, you'll heal you. The atma building up literally becomes blissful. So you're running the prison tribe champion Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna Sam morning understanding. Yes, it's still. What happens on my face? Paralyzed. That's a little digital. Yeah. Although it's not perfect. I know it's not perfect, but if you can understand something. So the Ayatollah, he told the Nawam, you see, everybody in nutrition is very healthy. What kind of vision are you having? They do suffer there, but they're very heavy throughout chanting and dancing. And what. How is that? And so they brought Haridas Takra, which I told you not to chant. The Holy name of these many Hindu names. Why you're chanting? I can't help it. You're cutting in little, little pieces. I cannot stop chanting. What's the harm in doing? Why? Why are angry looking? I cannot help but I have to change his name. I don't. No, no. He is the punisher. He should be named an example. So he was convicted to be big public at 22 marketplaces. Normally 24 marketplaces. You didn't die. They Russia. They lead the person, he also forgive them. They know not what they do. This is not. They don't know any. This is written in the original text. They don't know anything about Christianity. Same thing he teach, same thing he prayed. So we have also this tradition. That's right. We got so many every time. We don't have everybody in addiction. Of course having us with Lord Shaitan in the ground. Oh, that's the daddy. That's his passing, right? He was a leap in the 22 Margaret ladies. Krishna later lectured him and said I came to the Sudhaja chakra. I would kill these executioners. But because he faith with them, he forgave them. So I took the strikes of his own life. He turned around and he showed his blood. It's all Sahara stuck over kids arrived 22 market places feeding. And then the executioners were very frustrated. But he says, why are you hungry? I said. He said, what's wrong? You're alive. Why is not being alive thinking sad? If you're alive, the king will kill us. We're supposed to kill you. But you're alive. So if I die, you'll be hell. Oh yes sir. He very happy. Oh, Daniel died. It's okay. I want to make others happy. So he laid down and he died. He fell. No D. No, hardly. He's dead. He's dead in the wall. We killed him. Not true. According to asking for deep in Samadhi those who are very elevated spiritualists they know how to go and do samadhi and they can assist them. Lord Chaitanya also did this. But Saharamma Bhattacharya will feel detect that he is still alive by holding a cup in front of his nostril. A slight movement, a heartbeat, silent movement. So then he understood that he saw that somebody seemed to mind. So because he was meditating on ka in the heart, he. He became very heavy. And the Lord said, bury him. And Moab said, no, no, no bearing, no burning. His soul will give peace. He shall be found in the river by the heathen, by the dog and the Coat and the vultures let his soul wander with no peace is Rosie's idea. So they tried to join. They could pick them up. They are not able to pick them up. Then there are elephants. Elephants could move. Nothing could move. All of a sudden just like Krishna is heavier than the earliest he loves them to be lighter than the lighter he made me light up and so I guess Tiger shutter just always floating in the air down in the river. So there he was down in the river and the wind blew him to the other side as the water was touching him. He won't bother this mind and start studying to the other side he died. He was resurrected from the dead. Now he crossed over the river fell down our dust and city. Forgive me, I great offense. You are truly a saint. You are truly a holy virgin. No, I don't listen to anyone. I told him that we attend to the Nawar father. He also upfeld at the feet of Harija Takara. Forgive me for my offenses Harija Takar if you give the order that no one will be persecuted in your kingdom like this. There are many examples of great souls in our tradition who have given their lives or risked their life for Fiji Are we recessed that Lord Jesus he also did this and that's why the Bhabhu said for us he's a guru we should all be prepared to sacrifice ourselves but we cannot not so easy to do what Lord Jesus did. So at least we can do is we can try to rest like he did. He can tell everyone that there's a supreme personality around him and that chant his holy name. Some scholars say after the resurrection of Christ inquiry left hand place of Israel and I went to Kashmir in India they had a tuna of the Whether that's Israel too or not I don't know but there he is. There's a tomb there that says Isha Putra also here you have the general deity and it says greatness hidden Here in the 1216 A General Archendo and a very ancient candle. They have reported that someone called Sarangra visited the archeb some about 2000 years ago possibly Tibetan dead scene scrolls say that he visited today. What's true? No one knows exactly they called it hidden here but it seems that evidence is there that he went to India. And further God is a spiritual or developer in India in any case as Prabhupada said he was preaching to a particular time circumstance so some people at that time they asked him he only talked about the I learned to talk about the spiritual. He said you cannot Understand what I am saying about this world. But you don't understand it all. So he was preaching to Christian man and the symbol of people, you know, he presented things in a very simple way. I have a disciple, his name is Derek Chandradas. He was born a Christian in Kerala and his name was. So he has studied. He accepted Christian consciousness. He studied the ancient saints. And he found that in the third century there was some St. Augustus that he was a 15 pregnar and vegetarian. That was part of the original churches. Apparently the things were changed on the 5th or 6th century when the Edgar.

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In God's 10th. The novel he accepted as the official religion of Christianity. That's when it was about what. You know what the Bible still says. His love shall not kill. It also has the Lord's Prayer that O Father, hallowed be thy name. The Kaliyur, his holy name is especially recommended with chin. So how would have a discussion with Father Daniel. And he said, what is your understanding of the word Christoph? And then Baba said O Christos is the great way of saying Krishna. So like this the discussion and Baba would say that in India it's hard God that some people say the same. Krishna, Krishna, you're a Krishna. You're a Krishna. They say Krishna. They don't. They don't have much understanding Allah, Christianity. That is how they say. Prabhupada was saying that Krishna or Krishna. So I went one time with. We went to Salt Lake City, Utah to find out what was actually theology. And after a whole day of discussion we give people finding some God will seek seeker. You can become a creator of healers and you get to have Jesus as your son, as our name supreme God and as we are known as Mercy. But we know you become of the Father. Their philosophy is correct. And they just say that we can become a Brahma. Brahma is the creator of universe. It just says that if we lead a very pious life. So many drugs. He didn't know of Brahma. And that would mean that Jesus was the son of Brahma. It's hard to say what but we know that the son of a Godhead is a preacher. So here the theology only thing is that we believe that adorable humans y' all have soul. Human beings have a lot of consciousness. Therefore we are able to understand as they think of the animals that consciousness is not soul. Dwell a living creature. Living creature has soul and soul is what we are. How is your body? You're the soul. You have a body and the wise perspective. You are a human. You have the Soul you have, you have no soul. We are the soul. According to Bhagavad, we are the soul and we are meant to understand who we are. But is our relationship God coming to love anyone who wise is the Lord who is able to awaken in us the love of God. That personally accepted glory and respect for Jesus was able to awaken that in his powers at least at that time. And that's why we thank him. And his parents day is Christ holy day. So today we are celebrating the only of many of the gatherings. We respect Jesus, but we also have similar greater sacrifices. In the Santa Apostle he's made the Lord Krishna not only his father, but every all indigenous, all the animals, the plants, the human Elon musk that he is going to take their sins. He wants to take all their karma and suffer. So they don't like regarded. They can be filled in this material suffering. So province is that if they have some prejudice against chanting Hare Krishna then chant any one line. Or rather so I had one. I have one on this segment. She's our own Catholic nun. I'm sure she naturally attached. She is very attached to our Lord Jesus. But she's known to chant our occasions, right? So okay, so chant the name of Jesus Christ. So in this planet Jesus Christ is called Jesuit Christopher. So she started chanting Jesus Christopher Start agent teacher Krishna, Krishna. She secretly tried Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, Krishna. And so she have more energy, more of a similar type as chanting nature Krishna. She has more reciprocation from chanting Hare Ka. So like that nas chant 69 today she's a vegetarian. She couldn't be changing. But she continues with her stars as a grown Catholic nun. I don't know if her shepherd's not. But she chants they're happy. She is a rosary. She chant vegetarian though there's not many vegetarian Christian. You know mother. She does her service, by the way, when you clean and help you clean your heart. So there's right to see the blue flock. They call it rose and sleep before in the heart. So Jesus Prabhupada never asked any of us that we should convert. He should reject Jesus or how rather you said we respect all those teachings and teachers and the practicing doctor Yoga is a postgraduate study how to awaken a lover dynamic. So it's a spiritual woman. We don't in fact designate one of the children of Bhakti that we should be praying all the designations of all these designations and they should give her a shikhena. I sit and unlock that with today the doctrine is called the Natur of the sentence that's may Lord. With our sentence we have all designations so we don't want to know that for a Hindu or Muslim Christian did it all external things. The real thing is one God, the real Son of the Lord. So that that's what we desire anyone in out in between going out going in all being absorbed in Christian bhakti. Okay, I think it's time to add a peace and rejoice. Thank you for watching our videos. Be sure to subscribe to our channel. We publish new videos every day. And don't forget to like and share our channel.