20241110 - Giving up the assocication of those inimical to Kṛṣṇa

This is a transcript of a November 10, 2024 YouTube lecture by Sri Madh Sudhanam (with contributions from Guru Maharaj and devotees) titled "Giving up the association of those inimical to Krishna." The lecture explains how to distinguish genuine Vaishnavas from false/deceitful ones (three misuse-patterns), outlines three qualities that make someone worthy of respect (pure devotional service, absence of propensity to criticize, and having taken Diksha and worshipping the deity), and stresses avoiding bad association while cultivating association with saintly devotees. The session includes anecdotes illustrating hypocrisy, practical guidance on family and increasing Vaishnava population (preaching and begetting initiated children), and community announcements: the Bhishma Panchak challenge (this year four days instead of the usual five) and extensive Bhagavad Gita book-distribution sponsorships (many donors and counts listed).
Questions this video answers
1900 devotees registered online.
Four days (normally five).
Sponsor 30 Bhagavad Gita (one per day) during the Kartik month; sponsors' names are chanted on the Gurumuraj channel and receive spiritual benefit.
Sri Madh Sudhanam.
Hare Krishna. Dear devotees, today we will continue with the reading from Sri Chaitanya Shikshamrita Bhashla Sachidananda Bhakti Vinod Thakur. Today's title is Giving up the association of those inimical to Krishna. Those who are completely deceitful, consider them as inimical to Ka and abandon them.
Someone who tells all kind of lies.
By someone who tells all kinds of.
Lies, they are considered as another holy hairstyle.
They are considered as inimical towards Ka and to be abandoned. As mentioned in Rmad Bhagavatam 11:26 26 an intelligent person should therefore reject all bad association and instead take up the association of saintly devotees. Those words cut off the excessive attachment of one's mind. Real Vaishnava seva and respect to a general Vaishnava towards those who are simple, there are two types of conduct, service and respect. When you meet a true Vaishnava, you should associate intimately and serve them intimately. Respect all people related as general Vaishnavas. Respect is certainly shown in the form of external service.
I thought the lives here.
To.
Give up all bad association.
So it's advised here to give up all bad association.
People who don't show proper Vaishnava feelings, people who doesn't.
People who doesn't show proper Vaishnava dealings. That.
Association.
And.
How the tiger.
So don't take bad association and one should try to take association of the saintly people.
Service.
Two types of conduct, service and respect.
So there are two types of conduct, service and respect.
I don't know. These are the two guys.
So when you meet a true Vaishnava, you associate with them intimately and serve them intimately. If you associate with someone who's generally a Vaiava, serve them and show them general respect. Three types of general Vaiavas those who are favourable to Vaishnava can be categorized into three. First, those who consider Vaishnava philosophy the best but does not perform themselves. Second, those who took up Vaishnava signs of appearance but are not real Vaishnavas but have respect for Vaishnavas. Third, those who are born into the family of Vaishnava Acharyas and have adopted Vaishnava science and take pride in it but they themselves are not real Vaishnavas.
So with all the holies to the degrees as Sat Ajara.
So these are all devotees to different degrees except Vaishnava Dharma.
Righteous.
But don't actually practice Vaishnava Dharma.
These are three examples of Vaishnava.
So these are three examples of those who respect Vaishnava Dharma. Those who are born in the family of Vaishnavacharyas and.
Vaishnava Sahi like Taylor.
Those who have adopted Vaishnava signs like Tilak. And they are proud of their practicing of Vaishnava Dharma. But they are not real Vaishnavas.
But not real Vaishnavas.
All these three, they say they are not real Vaishnavas.
The second one is.
The second one.
They say they have respect for Vaishnavasi.
The rest the first one they say they consider the Vaishnava philosophy the best.
Do not.
But do not put it into practice.
How always handles a sound shine with.
So we have these different standards. Some showing the Vaishnava signs Achars. But they don't believe that Krishna is Samambonam. Next. Okay. Real Vaishnavism is measured by the degree of pure Ka Bhakti and the capacity to inspire or empower others. As far as one's devotion has become pure and deep and developed capacity to inspire others by empowering them, one has to become real Vaiava. To that extent, if a tinge of pure Ka Bhakti arises in the heart of a devotee, then real Vaishnavism is obtained. Can you please repeat that? Guru marriage. I didn't. I didn't hear that. Could you please repeat? Hi Krishna, can you hear me? Yeah. Could you please repeat yourself?
Isaiah people Scarilla Vaijnava that they are aspired to practice realism.
Those people, those who are real Vaiavas, they are inspired to practice real Vaiavism. I repeat it. Bhakti is destroyed in association of a pretender. Thus the kind of association and respect towards Vaishnava and people favorable to Vaishnava is delineated here. Therefore, person who is not a Vaishnava but is associated or respect in the consciousness of a Vaishnava. Therefore, person who is not a Vaishnava but is associated or respected in the Vaishnava consciousness as a Vaishnava, then once Bhakti is destroyed as mentioned in nectar of devotion, Nectar of instruction Upadeshaamrita text 5 Krishni Tiyagiritam Manasadri Eta Diksha Stichet Pranati Bhisha Bhajanta Misham Shushru Shuya Bhajana Vikt. One should mentally honor the devotee who chants the holy name of Lord Krishna. One should offer humble Obeisances to devotee who has undergone spiritual initiation and is engaged in worshipping the deity. And one should associate with, associate with and faithfully serve that pure devotee whose advanced and ka. Conscience. Oh, sorry. Undeviated devotional service and whose heart is completely devoid of all. Sorry. Devoid of the propensity to criticize others.
Three qualities on someone early on.
So there are three qualities of someone who's worthy of respect. One who likes to perform pure devotional service. One who's devoid of the propensity to criticize others. One who chants Hare Krishna and has undergone the spiritual initiation Diksha and is engaged in worshipping the deity.
So you see here how important it is to have Diksha.
So we see here how important it is to have DK.
And there are.
And to follow it properly.
So that Veda will recognize you as devotees.
So that people will recognize you as devotees. Appearing as a Vaishnava who's taking pride to be in Vaishnava attire, but not a real Vaishnava must be avoided. Deceitful or false Vaishnava. First, those who wear Vaishnava marks for cheating. Second, those who identify themselves as the follower of the Vaishnava crya for the purpose of introducing Advaita philosophy, impersonalist philosophy to the Vaishnava. Third, Advaita philosophy is the impersonalism.
Someone was crossing the Ganges and he was traveling.
So someone was crossing the Ganges and one monk, he was also traveling on the same boat.
He had neck beads.
He had neck beads.
Neck beads were not tulisi, but the.
Neck beads were not tulisies.
So I saw the water and so we saw them.
So he saw him on the boat. So someone complained putting water in your mouth.
I swear on my beets, I didn't put any water.
I swear on my beads that I didn't put any water in my mouth.
Gurumai, they can't hear you.
I swear on my beads.
I swear on my beads that I didn't put any water in my mouth.
Then he saw what he saw the mountain was putting out in the water.
So then the devotee saw that the madman was putting milk in the water. So.
There'S.
So he took the milk out and put it in the pot. Water in the pot. And was adding milk to the water.
So he didn't put any water in the milk.
So he didn't put any water in the milk.
And put milk in the water.
So he put milk in the water. So people in India, these petty people they are very expert. Okay. Third, those who advertise themselves as Vaishnavas to gain money, fame or any other material things.
Three ways that people has not.
So these are three ways that people misuse Vaishnava attire. As a part of secondary rules. It is mentioned to respect all human beings and so accordingly everyone is to be respected. They are not considered within Vaishnava society. Those who are currently associated with Vaishnavas if their pure devotee can also become suitable companions for pure Vaishnavas. So? So someone was telling me Prabhupada was going somewhere and someone was telling him to Srila Prabhupada that this devotee is criticizing him and this devotee is doing something wrong. Prabhupada said stop.
Only one devotee here.
There's only Prabhupada says stop. There is only one devotee here. That's me. Material family. Okay. Material family and Vaishnava family. Okay. One should not have deep conversation with anyone than similar nature of devotee other than similar nature of devotees. As mentioned in Haribhakti Sudhodaya 8.51. One develops qualities similar to those whom one associates. Like jewel picking up colors according to its surrounding. The wise man will therefore take shelter of those of superior quality in order to raise his own qualities. In regard to increasing the Vaishnava population do not have any other association other than devotees. One should give proper training to wife in Vaishnava philosophy as much as possible and make sure she gets initiated. It's a great fortune that one gets a Vaishnavi wife in raising a family. If one begets a child with with a Vaishnava wife then there is no question of materialism. Parents should understand that the child born is a servant of the Lord and must be happy at increasing the Vaishnava population.
Rajna other than life getting Vaijnav children running way of increasing the Vaidna population.
Vaishnava husband and wife Begetting Vaishnava children is one way of increasing the Vaishnava population. So.
Somehow our other.
Increase.
In the world.
Somehow or other we need to increase Vaishnavas in the world.
Preaching is one way.
So preaching is one way of. Oh sorry. Preaching is one way of increasing and also. And also begetting Vaishnava children. So for that you need a Krishna conscious wife or a Krishna conscious husband.
Your wife is not initiated.
If your wife is not initiated, when she should be initiated. So we heard about one family. The husband is initiated but the wife eats onion and garlic. So it's important for both husband and wife to be Vaishnavas or pure devotees.
So this is a Bharat.
So this is Bhai Bhaktivedakar. He.
Goes into detail.
So he goes into detail. Who's the Vaishnava? Who's the devotee? Pure devotee.
Harry has a child. Lord is a servant of the Lord.
So here he says the child born is a servant of the Lord.
Also. He was arising that.
So Prabhupada also He was advising the devotees also should.
Rather children as Vaikuntha kids should value.
Their children as Vaikuntha kids. Sri Sri Radha Madhava Sakibrinda Mayapur Chandra ki Giraj Maharaj ki Shri Panchatatwa ki Shrishi Krishna Chaitanya Prabhunit. So Guru Maharaj, she's your disciple from Lithuania. Guru Maharaj, can you wait for a while? She's your disciple from Lithuania. Here, here, here, here. Next to her. But she's a Russian speaking devotee. So please bless her. Okay. Okay. Hare Krishna, my beloved. Dear Guru Maharaj, please accept my Koti Koti humble obeisances. Please bless me Shla Gurudev so that I can relish Bhagavatam nicely and become a dust in your lotus feet. Okay, got you. I want to see the symbols. Okay. Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj Dhanvad Pranam at your lotus feet. Shanti Rupini Kamala. Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj, my humble obeisances at your divine lotus feet. She's offering you some stars and flowers. Okay. Baptize the cake. Okay, Perfect. Okay. Hare Krishna Gurma is blessed. You're saying something. Okay. Okay. Okay. I go to the last one. Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj, please bless me so that I may always Please. Okay, Haribo.
So we have the Bismarck challenge.
So we have the bhishma panchaka challenge.
Salzarial 1900 sources so far we have.
1900 devotees registered online.
So how many of you are going to join this Panchajang challenge?
How many of you going to join the Bhishma Panchak challenge? So from day after day after tomorrow it starts from day after tomorrow Bhishma Panchak starts from Gita Bhavan Gorangi said that normally Bhishma Panchak has five days. But this year it's only four days. So we can feast earlier. Hare Krishna Haribo, where is the challenge? The challenge is bismapanchakchallenge.com you can ask Gorangi Gandharvika is there Mataji is here. Move. Let her come forward. Okay. So she's our dear God Sister Gorangi Gandhika Mataji. So please approach her. Okay. If you want to join the challenge. Haribo. Okay. There are devotees from Baroda. 70 devotees are here. The devotees from Nepal, about 15 or 16 I think headed by Kripalu, Gorsundar Prabhu. So blessings to all of you from Srila, Guru Maharaj, Krishna Matirastu also Amala Manjari, Vishal Goranga. They are here from the uk. Yes, they are here. I saw Hamila Manjiri just now. I saw. Okay, she's there. She's waving. And Vishal Prabhu, after your Gayatri we have Sunday.
Guru Maharaj. Dear devotees, those who are physically present here. There is a physical book table to your left the gate. So before leaving please do visit. That's Guru Maharaj's personal physical book table. So there you can sponsor. Guru Maharaj has given a special offer for this Karthik month to sponsor 30 Bhagavad Gita 11 Bhagavad Gita A day during the Kartik month. Till end of Kartik month you have this offer open. So if you do that, your name is chanted here in Gurumuraj channel in Sridhar Mayapur. And you get hundred into 1000 times spiritual benefit every day for each Bhagavad Gita. And today we have from haura Tapas Rai, 1 Bhagavad Gita Brajanath Gauradas from Andhra Pradesh. 116 small books. Rupa Sengupta from Assam. 1 Bhagavad Gita Suman Patra from Kolkata. 2 Bhagavad Gita from Assam. 2 Bhagavad GitA from Bangalore from Udaipur, 4 Bhagavad Gita Kalashmi Lalita Davidasi from Mumbai. 3 Bhagavad Gita Samir Maithi from Mithnapur. 4 Bhagavad Gita Sri Ramachandra Karuna Maidas from Bangalore. 15 Bhagat Gita Tushar Sharma from Bangalore from Hyderabad. 40 Bhagavad Gita Nantu Bagh from Hoogly 1 Bhagavad Gita Madhav Kinkari Devidasi from Chennai. 4 Bhagavad GitA Priyasaki Chitraleka Devidasi from Assam. 3 Bhagavad GitA Apurva Anand from Singapore. 4 Bhagavad GITA Rajesh Das from Mumbai, 2 Bhagavad Gita Ajit Atmakunda Das from Surat 2 Bhagavad Gita Mantris Gaurangadas from Baroda 30 Bhagavad Gita Mantras Gaurang Das, the leader has come with 70 devotees here. Guru Maharaj heard that and he has blessed all of you. So maybe if opportunity comes he will meet you. Raju Halder from Kolkata 8 Bhagavad Gita Datta Prakash Seti from Pune 2 Bhagavad Gita Narayani Ashok from Chennai 4 Bhagavad Gita and 19 small books Mita Saha from Hoogly 11 Bhagavad Gita Argya Ghan from Haldia 4 Bhagavad Gita Dr. Ankit Bhargavi from Ahmedabad 25 Bhagavad Gita Sarvanatha Krishnadas from Bangalore Once Srimad Bhagavatam and one Satan is Jayananda Gaura Haridas from Chennai to Bhagavad Gita Sudarshan chana from Madnapur 4 Bhagavad Gita from Nasik 5 Bhagavad Gita 50 small book A1 is to 10 ratio Excellent example. Then we have we have our Nitya Sevai four small book each day Then we have Balaji Natarajan Dhruva Chinmayiya Devidasi from USA 1 Bhagavad Gita 10 small book and 1 is to 10 ratio Nithyananda Ramadas from Chennai 30 Bhagavad Gita offer of Guru Maharaj accepted gladly Hemangi Gopeshwari Devadasi from USA 30 Bhagavad Gita one each day throughout Karthik month Arun Sai from USA 30 Bhagavad gita for Damodar month one book a day from Kasadesh we have our Nitya Sevais Damani Devidasi and her family 1 Gita and 10 small books 1 is to 10 ratio Janaki Pavani Devidasi and her family 1 Bhagavad Gita and 10 small book again 1 is to 10 ratio Gaurangi Devadasi 1 Gita and 1 small book 10 Yang Zion 1 Gita and 10 small book 1 is to 10 ratio the how many Devidasi's friend 1 is to 10 ratio 1 Bhagavad Gita & 10 small book so these devotees are wonderfully demonstrating to the whole world what Srila Prabhupada exactly ordered our Srila guru Maharaj that 10,000 Maha big book and 100,000 small book each month he has to distribute. It's a monthly contribution towards Guru Maharaj and Guru Maharaj is doing it with all of your help. Thank you very much for being a role model and an exemplary example in this regard. Srila Prabhupada Transcendental Book Distribution Ki Jai all these devotees get a special Narasimha Puja and a few awards from Naveen Siddham Mayapur. And please all of you also bless them by calling out Nithai Gauranga Nitai Gauranga. And please pass on this wonderful opportunity of being in pastime of Guru Maharaj distributing Srila Prabhupada books even if it's a single Bhagavad Gita and 10 small books to any time to Guru Maharaj's virtual book table at + 919-434-7604 and and 02 and stay tuned for tomorrow's Lord Chaitanya class and let's pray intensely for Guru Maharaj. Speed recovery and full recovery. And of course our prayers include for all those who are celebrating their anniversaries today for their well being and blissful Krishna consciousness. Please join me in the prayers. Hooray. Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. Thank you very much. Vaishnav Wancha Kalpatarubia Kripa Sindobia Avacha Patitanam Pavane.
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