20241205 - Third Stream — Jñāna-vicāra part 3

This is a transcript of a December 2024 YouTube lecture (Third Stream — Jñāna-vicāra part 3) delivered mainly by Bhaktivedanta Narada Maharaj. He critiques Advaita Vedanta—arguing its examples (snake/rope, silver/oyster, milk/yogurt) and logic are flawed—and asserts Vedic literature supports a simultaneous one-and-different view: Bhagavan can be impersonal, localized (Paramatma), and personal (Bhagavan), but Krishna as Bhagavan is ultimately realized by pure devotional service. The latter part of the recording contains community announcements, chanting, and instructions for distributing Srila Prabhupada books.
It it's sa Hallelujah foreign Advaita Vichar. Let us examine the basis of advaita philosophy. In this world all kinds of material objects you observe are classified into different categories of substances. And by subtle analysis they eventually concluded concluded to be inert matter. Subsequently, all objects endowed with consciousness identified as conscious entities. The faculty by which these two types of objects are designated is a specific function of the mind and falls under the line of logic. The task of investigating the origin of mental activity is not the function of this faculty. Yet it concludes through various analysis that both chit consciousness and jada inert matter may result in a fundamental principle in the subtopics. So Prabhupada saying that they use the neti niti factor. Do you know that factor?
No, this is conscious nati.
This is conscious nati.
No, no, this is conscious healthy.
This is conscious native no sovereign southern.
You find unconscious sometimes not.
So some things you find it conscious, some things are not.
Oh, this is the.
So this is the main principle.
What conscious? What's the power?
So people are trying to figure out what is conscious, what is truly purely inner matter. First, Brahman transforms into the world. In this context, an impulsive Brahman is imagined and considered as the root of both consciousness ship and matter germs. It is then thought that just as milk transforms into yogurt, similarly Brahman transforms into the world. Alternatively, just as there is an illusion of silver in the oyster shell or a snake in r, similarly the world is an illusion superimposed on Brahma. So.
Only vinyl which has chit consciousness.
So through the nifty navy principle you can find out which is chit which has consciousness, which is matter in that matter.
So the moran swans do the chitchat.
So the akra world is in there. The Brahman transforms into cheap factor Brahman as the illusion of the world. This conclusion involves considerable considerable speculation and logical analysis. But flaws are apparent at every step that is partly vector mind. How can the illusion of the world arise? The example of the snake illusion in the rope is entirely ineffective because if you look at it, there must be a distinction between the rope and the snake. If the snake is considered as a part of Brahmana, then how can the union occur if there is no separate entity called the slave? In this case, Advaita does not hold true. Similarly, the example of silver in the oyster shell is also flawed. If the yogurt which is transformation of mul is compared to the world as the transformation of prana, then just yogurt is the real substance, the world too would be real. Thus Advaita cannot be maintained. Share either. All examples used to support Advaita are logically flawed. Logic can never be established. Logic can never establish the Advaita doctrine if logic is abundant. If it is if logic is abundant, who will support this doctrine? It is argued that daring perception supports Ayurveda. That is too impossible. Direct perception itself is dualistic and to destroy this perception logic is employed. If it is said that the Advaita proponents rely on certain Vedic tense, those texts also contain statements supporting dualism along with those supporting Advaita. Not particular viewpoint is favored at any at the conclusion, so.
Have the supreme personality of personal and personal is of.
The philosophy that the supreme Lord is both personal impersonal in that which is mentioned in the Vedas which are made to support the impersonal demand are basically false.
Is.
Krishna. Is both of these ideas.
On the text realized? I was emotional otherwise.
So Bhagavan is simultaneously realized as the impersonal truth, localized Paramatma and multifarious facets.
Personal.
Impersonal, localized and multifarious is the essence of the Venus. Upon careful examination, all Vedic scriptures teach the inconceivable simultaneous oneness and difference non dual and pure Advaita dualism to refute conflicting viewpoints. Statements supporting both perspectives has been employed at various places. In reality, pure Advaita is not the view of the Vedas. The Vedic scriptures as a form of the incarnation of realized knowledge are impartial. There is no particular doctrine of the Vedas. Natural knowledge, common sense, Vedic scriptures, logic, direct experience, realized knowledge, direct and empirical evidence. All these do not support a Veda. It is the flawed argumentation and irrational beliefs that uphold that philosophy. Yes, Kurman Sentence studies so Lord Chaitan is saying not to hear the Advaita.
Philosophy on this verse of Vedas. How particularly.
So? In this section it says that the Vedas don't particularly claim Advaita. In some places they say simultaneously one and different.
This is the arch.
So this is the Lord Chaitanya's philosophy as mentioned in the Srimad Bhagavadam 4.2 9.41 to 48 because the conditioned soul is always disturbed by the bodily necessities such as hunger and thirst, he has very little time to cultivate attachment to hearing the Hectadian words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the most powerful Lord Brahma, the father of all progenitors, Lord Shiva, Manu, Daksha and other rulers of humankinds. The 4th century first class Brahmacharis Sanaka, Sanatana and the great Rishis, Sages Marichi, Atri, Amhera, Pulasaya, Pulaha, Kratu, Guru and Vashishtha and my humble self Narada are all stronger Brahmanas who can speak authoritatively on the Vedic literature. They're very powerful because of austerity's meditation and education. Nevertheless, even after inquiring about the Supreme Personality of Godhead whom we always see, we do not know perfectly about Him. Despite the cultivation of Vedic knowledge which is unlimited, the worship of different demigods by the symptoms of the waning mantras, demigod worship does not help one to understand the supreme powerful personality of Godhead. When a person is fully engaged in devotional service, he is favored by the Lord. Lord who bestows his causeless mercy. At such a time, the awakened devotee gives up all material activities or ritualistic performances mentioned in the Vedas. My dear King, you should never out of ignorance take to the Vedic rituals or to fruitive activity which may be pleasing to hear about or which may appear to be the goal of self interest. You should never take this to be the ultimate goal of life. Those who are less intelligent accept the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies as all along they do not know that the purpose of Vedas is to understand one's own home where the Supreme Personality of Godhead lives. Not being interested in their real home, they are illusion, their illusion and search after other hopes. Okay, end of the code. Bhakti Vena Tabu continues. There is no fault to believe metaphorically that the individual soul upon liberation becomes Brahman. When the material ego is transcended, only ego of Brahman remains. However, within that Brahman there will still be in hand distinctions such as tasted, tasted and the act of tasting, which will then become the inevitable nature of the person who has attained the state of Brahmana. So Krishna is. Krishna is called the Paradhyama. He is the highest form of Brahman. People judged by laziness, they finally accept Brahman. Actually there's Bhagavan. Sorry. Actually there's Brahman, there is Paramatma, and then there's Bhagawan.
Bhagawan can only be realized. Hurdles serves.
But Bhagavan can be. Bhagavan can be realized. Bhagavan can be only realized by pure devotional service. Devotees who do devotional service can realize Krishna as the supreme personality of Godhead. This naval dev is representing the practice of devotional service. How many would be philosophically overloaded? If you ask them some questions, then you know, they like to use. They like to use your brain, use your mind. What is liberation? Cessation of material identification of the soul is liberation. What is liberation? The cessation of material identification of the soul which is the nature of consciousness is called liberation. Liberation is a temporary phenomenon for eternally liberated souls. Liberation is not considered a concept as they were never conditioned. What's the need of liberation? Only the conditioned souls can attain liberation. There are two kinds of soul which will be explained while describing the pure knowledge. It cannot be said that liberation is necessary for all souls as liberation is not the concept related to every soul. Prema is the essential truth in relation to all living beings, hence it is necessary. Prema is indeed the essential truth for all living being and it is necessary. According to Advaita Vedanta, Brahman is described as impersonal, devoid of energy. Even if Brahman is described as impersonal, its impersonal nature is simply stated as being distinct from the specific nature of material objects which is also particular quality of Brahman. If Brahman does not possess energy, then how does this created world or illusory world exist? In this philosophy, when there is no other substance beside Brahman, we are compelled to attribute the cause of this phenomenon to Brahman's energy. We conclude our refutation of Advaita Vedanta here since our actual task remains. Our statement is merely by merely by. The fourth type of knowledge which is called Brahma Gyana is the distortion of Isvara Dhyana, the knowledge of the Supreme Lord. Distortion of Isvara Dhyana Knowledge of the Supreme Lord Third type of knowledge Knowledge of the Supreme Lord Ishajnana is the seed of knowledge. Shankaracharya Ashtavakra, Dattatreya, Nanak Kabir and Shivanarayana are all teachers of teachers who propagated fourth type of knowledge. The Sutta Gyana, Pure knowledge is the fifth type of knowledge that arises from the seat of Ishvara Jnana. The knowledge of the Supreme Lord is not Advaitabad His. This is the part where his grace Gopati Krishna said it's too philosophical for you.
He did not say this.
He did not say. You see, Bhakti Natakur is refuting and.
Doing the work his heart. Certain causes.
He said a certain philosophers brought this knowledge, wrote down this knowledge he sent. They say Brahman has no energy. But they say that material world is the illusion created. So. So to have illusion you have to consider that Rama has results. So if Brahman has energy, that itself would refute the views of the Advaita. Actually Krishna, the supreme personality of God here he has energies and those energies create the material world and the spiritual existence. The philosophy of Admitar is not very good. Instead the philosophy of Ointya Veda Veda Tattva makes more sense. So you should accept Lord Chaitanya and the personality of Godhead.
So we will announce about the cake.
From Gantag Sunita Mataji. Yeah, Guru Maharaj, she's from Madhukanta Prabhu temple. So please bless her also.
Guru Maharaj, today the birthday of Moshami Mataji she doing book distribution here in Mayapur. Can stand Mataji.
Stand up.
They have a birthday cake there. And then listen, everybody can chant and bless her to continue who distribution and become Krishna consciousness.
There's also devotees here for the shelter. Okay, Please chant the mantra after me only in English. Yeah, say the mantra English. Say Hare Krishna in English.
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hari.
Ramol Same in Mongolia.
Krishna Krishna Hari.
Okay.
Nama.
Krishna Prashaya Shimade Bhaktivedanta Swamin Itinamine Namaste Saras Radidari Govravani Pracharine Nirvi Sesha Shunyavadi Paschatya Deshatarine Nama O Vishnupadaya Krishna Prashnaya Bhutane Srimate Jayapataka Swamin Itinomine Nam Nama Acharya Padaya Niday Kripa Praday Gorakata Damadaya Nagaragrama Tari Nay.
Namah.
So.
Nadia devotees. Right? There is a physical book table. There is a physical book table. Please grasp the opportunity to participate in distributing Srila Prabhupada books. How many would you like to read and distribute Srila Prabhupada books? Please raise your hands. I don't see much. I don't think so. You know reading. Okay. For those who are physically present so this transcendental lotus rooftop there is a physical book table only for you place or you left near the gate. And please do visit for your before you leave. And welcome to Gurmaja's virtual book chapel. From Sidamayapur Srila Prabhas Court on 7 June 1968 to Gargamoni Prabhu. The best process for selling books is to get them reviewed by various important papers. These are hundreds and thousands of influential papers in your country. And if the books are viewed they will be quickly sold. And from the physical book table we have Chitra Malini, Keshavi Devidasi two Gitas and Mosami Devidasi and Balachandra Devidasi Bhalavinda four small books and from Kasabesh Damini Devidas and her family one Gita and 10 small books and this is a perfect example gives a tennis to one issue and fulfilling the commitments of Guru Maharaj Prabhupada and Wang Lan why also these devotees get a special Nasima Pujan pursue from Navin Shridam all of you devotees also bless them calling out loudly after me. Please pass on this wonderful opportunity of opportunity of participating in the pastime of Guru Maharaj in distributing Srila Prabhupada books even if it is a single Bhagavad Gita and just 10 small books as it is 1 is to 10 ratio. Please do WhatsApp Guru Mahaj Virtual table anytime to announce your contribution at +919434760402 +919434760402 stay tuned for tomorrow's La Chaitanya's class now prayers. Let's do in do an intense prayer for this PD and full recovery of Guru Maharaj and of course our prayers include for all those who are whose name not arrived but are celebrating their anniversaries today for their well being and blissful in Krishna consciousness. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare thank you Dear devotees, let us offer our humble and respectful obeisances unto all the Vaishnavas Nantokoti Vice Sheila Prabhupada the key.
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