20250108- Fourth Stream — Rati (Bhāva)-vicāra part3

Rashtay.

Sarchari Yadavayanamaha.

Hare Krishna Dear devotees, today we will continue with a reading from Sri Chaitanya Shikshamrita of Srila Sachidananda Bhakti Vinod Thakur so Quotation from Bhakti Rasamruta Sindhu 1.3.54 translation of that verse by an offense against the dearest devotee of the Lord, even real Bhava will be destroyed. It can also turn to Bhava Bhasa or become Bhava of an inferior type. Srila Prabhupada's translation of that verse Transcendental attachment either Shahda or Para can be nullified by different degrees of offenses at the lotus feet of pure devotees. If the offense is very serious then one's attachment becomes almost nil and if the offense is not very serious, one's attachment can become second class or third class.

So how this verse tells us how the danger arises out of the so.

This verse tells us of the dangers of Vaishnava Aparat.

Dear the Lord to the Lord that even real daw can be destroyed.

If one offends a real devotee to the Lord, a dear devotee to the Lord, then even his real power diminishes. So one should be very careful not.

To commit any vaiava apparatus.

So one should be very careful not to make any offense to the lotus feet of the dear devotees of the lord. Bhakti Rasamruta Sindhu 1.3.55 translation of that verse by intimate association with a knowledgeable person who desires impersonal liberation, real Bhava becomes Bhava Basa or else it turns into identifying oneself as the Lord. Srila Prabhupada's translation of this verse if someone becomes attached to the principles of salvation, emerging into the existence of Brahma Jyoti, his ecstasies gradually diminish into shadow and para attachment or else transform into principles of Ahankra Ho Upasana. This Ahangraphosana describes a living entity when he begins spiritual realization by identifying himself with the Supreme Lord, Mayavadis would address each other as Narayana.

How realize.

So? Because their thought is that when the Maya is removed then they realize and they'll become Brahman.

Since I think there's no personality, personality is Rogero.

Since they think that personality is material.

That personality has also been a lot.

So they think that when the personality is also illusion when it is removed one becomes Brahman.

Not to listen to the Mayavadis.

So Lord Chaitanya warned us not to listen to the Mayavadis. That.

Mayavadis destroy one's devotion.

That Mayavadis destroy one's devotion. That.

Goshawas say that when they emerge with Brah Jyoti, they only God.

So they personally think that when they merge into the Brahma Jyoti that they would become God. So they are very dangerous to listen to.

They are very tricky words.

They have very tricky words. Merging Mukti Sahayujamukti is they want Sahayujamukti or the merging Mukti. Devotees never accept this Mukti.

And the Lord is what?

And the devotees want to have service of the Lord. So they accept. They sometimes accept the four kinds of liberation. If that includes service to the Lord. This is another offense to be an impersonalist.

He was a guru.

Sarobama Bhattacharya. He was a guru to many impersonalists. So. And he asked Lord Chaitanya that he would like to teach him the Vedanta Sutra.

Saharani listen and Sahara not asking any.

Questions for many days. Lord Chaitanya was listening. And Sara Brahma Bhattacharya said, you're not asking any questions. When he asked Lord Chaitanya so. So he asked Lord Chaitanya, why don't you ask any question? Do you understand what am I saying?

I understand.

So Lord Chaitanya said, no, I understand the Sanskrit locus, but I don't understand your explanations. That means Lord Chaitanya knows more than Saro Brahma Bhattacharya. So Saro Brahma Bhattacharya asked Lord Chaitanya to explain the verses. And he explained the verses very nicely and very correctly. So like this, Saro Brahmapattacharya was converted into a Vaishnava. And then Lord Caitanya showed him some of his transcendental forms. 1.3156 of the Bhakti Rasamruta Sindhu ata Eva Kachiteshu Navya Bhakteshu drishyate shannam ishwara Bhavo yam nityado mukti Paksha kah. Therefore, it is sometimes seen that new devotees during dancing or other acts of devotions, acts of devotion, identify themselves with the Lord momentarily to achieve liberation. Prabhupada's translation to this verse. Sometimes it is found that a neophyte is taking part in chanting and dancing very enthusiastically. But within himself he is under the clear impression that he has to become one with the supreme whole. Okay, Continuing with Bhakti, not Takurs commentary, explanation. Due to its small nature, as long as it exists, it remains small, full of interest and destroys suffering. This shadow rati is realized either through association with devotees or during the practice of angas limbs of vaidi. The shadow rati is is fickle, meaning it is not stable. Even people ignorant of the true essence experience this rati through association with devotees. By great fortune, this shadow rati which is a reflection of Shuddha rati, pure Rati, arises in the heart of the living entity. When it arises, the living entity experiences increasing auspiciousness. This shadow rati is not true bhava. It is known as bhava basa, semblance of bhava. If the pure devotee bestows mercy, then very quickly this bhava basa transforms into true bhava. However, if offenses are committed against the devotees, the shadow rati disappears. Would you like to say anything, Gurmaj? The rati in the heart of the devotee is reflected in the hearts of impersonal Brahmavadi followers or those under them who worship the imagined deities due to being near to the devotees. When these liberation seeking individuals witness the sweetness of satvika transformations of a devotee's heart during kirtana or other celebration, it creates an imitation of this satvika transformation in them known as reflected rati. Hence, the symptoms of rati in the case of saguna worshippers can also occur in this manner. The fundamental principle in this is that the saguna worshippers, finding the desired success of liberation by the process given by their acharyas, express their heart's pain to the imagined deities through the apparent symptoms of vrati. The partial happiness that is obtained through their ultimate aim of pleasure in relation to liberation is reflected in this. Both shadow devotion and reflected devotion are mere imitations of vritti. They are not pure. Pure rati is exclusively fixed on the supreme Lord, taking the eternal form of the Lord as its object and the living entity as the shelter. In this view, the worshippers of imagined deities of the living entity has no eternal existence, hence no shelter for rati. The form of supr I'll be done. The form of the supreme Lord has no specific significance for them as ultimately their necessity lies in impersonal knowledge. Therefore, the subject of pure rati is also not recognized in this way. Thus, the rati observed in them is merely a reflection of pure rati. So this paragraph. So this paragraph tells us about real rati, shadow rati and reflected rati. Some people who want kind of impersonal liberation.

Actually kind of shadow rati, Rati or Rati.

So they experience a kind of shadow rati or reflected rati. It's less intense than the real rati.

But some ecstatic symptoms are there.

But some ecstatic symptoms are there.

These are not fixed.

These are not fixed.

Because they don't believe in the eternal form of the personality Godhead.

Because they don't believe in the eternal form of the personality of Godhead.

Sometimes feel ecstasy, sometimes not.

Sometimes they feel ecstasy, sometimes not.

Sometimes as you sang us, get a glimpse, a momentary glimpse of.

Sometimes explained that you get a glimpse, a momentary glimpse of the real ecstasy.

So then preview what real ecstasy is like.

So you can get a preview what real ecstasy is like.

Hen we change the third rati, if you understand the eternal form of Krishna.

It can be changed into pure rati. If you can understand the eternal form of Lord Krishna.

Sometimes people experience his lighter form of shadow rati and Richard rati.

So sometimes people experience this lighter form, the shadow rati and the reflected rati. Who wants real rati? The reflection type of Bhava's semblance carries the real signs of real rati and manifests some portion of the happiness of material enjoyment and liberation. This Pratibimba Rathya Bhaasa awards one desired goal, enjoyment or liberation without one's effort. Rla Prabhupada's translation to this verse, if somewhat without undergoing the regulatory principles of devotional service or without being guided by a bona fide spiritual master, shows such imitative attachment. This is called shadow attachment. It.

Principles.

Someone is not practicing. If someone is not practicing the principles of so without practicing the principles of.

Bhakti Yoga, without taking shelter.

Without taking shelter of a bona fide spiritual master. If they show some. If they show some imitative attachment, this is called a shadow attachment.

So those people who want material and a shadow title, Shadow of judgment.

So those people who want material enjoyment or liberation, they show this type of shadow attachment. We call it in Sanskrit as Pratibimba Rathyabhasa Reflection Rati Abbas. If one wants enjoyment or liberation, they can get this without effort.

That's why I'm encouraging all devotees to actually desire service to Krishna.

That's why I'm encouraging all the devotees to actually desire to serve Krishna. Service for Krishna.

Material healthiness and liberation.

Of suffering, Material happiness and liberation. They shouldn't like, okay, like this. Material happiness and liberation, cessation of suffering. You can get this.

Realization.

When the impersonal realization. But by serving. So by serving Krishna you get real attachment, real rati that is much better.

Krishna is so kind.

He.

Is devotees.

So Krishna is so kind that he manifests himself to his devotees.

Last night we were reading.

Last night we were reading from the CC Chaitanya Charitamrita and.

Came down. Came down with.

So when Lord Chaitanya had to leave Orissa, the kingdom of Gajapati and enter into the kingdom of a Muslim governor.

He was a drunkard.

He was a drunkard.

He heard of our Lord Chaitanya.

So somehow he heard about Lord Caitanya and he had the transformation to come and see him. So he came dressed. So he came dressed as a Hindu. He offered his obeisances to Lord Chaitanya. So he immediately got by the mercy of Lord Chaitanya. He got Rati.

And he asked Alhazan.

So what's the argument? Okay. He asked, could I do some seva for you? Lord Chaitanya said that he wanted to get to the Ganges. So this Muslim governor agreed to accompany him.

He took 10 boats of soldiers.

He took 10 boats of soldier.

Pirate.

Infected daughters so they could pass through. What? Infected pirate. Sorry, sorry. Okay. Pirate infect. Okay. Yeah. Pirate infected forests water. Okay. Pirates of the waters. So pirate infected waters.

Even the people who had no religious.

So Lord Chaitanya, you could grant love of Godhead even to people who didn't have previous attachment to Krishna.

Hare Kaza. Hare Krishna. Krishna. Krishna.

Krishna.

Hari. Hari.

Hari.

Hari Hari. From Ramona onto the rotten Orange river and then took 10 boat loyals soldiers.

So the Muslim governor accompanied Lord Chaitanya from Ramuna Haribo to Roop Nayan river with 10 boats of soldier and accompanied him.

Any questions?

They're still processing it. The best.

Guru. 230 books.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay. Yes.

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