20250110- Fourth Stream — Rati (Bhāva)-vicāra part3

Swami Nitina Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Pangon Langai Tegirim Dinatarinam.

Hare Krishna Dear devotees, today we will Hare Krishna Dear devotees, today we'll continue with the Today we will continue with the reading from Sri Chaitanya Sikshamrita by Srila Sachidananda Bhakti Vinod Thakur as mentioned in Sri Bhakti Ramrita Sindhu 1.3.4 7.48Through occasional association with genuine devotees, this reflection of the moon like Bhava appears in the hearts of some persons who are attached to enjoyment or liberation but who have become somewhat satisfied by following the angas of bhakti such as chanting the actual moonlight Bhava is situated in the sky of a real devotee's heart and it rises as a reflection in the non devotee by the potency of the association with that real devotee. Srila Prabhupada's translation of this verse Sometimes it is found that a person actually attached to material enjoyment or salvation has the good fortune to associate with pure devotees while they are engaged in chanting the holy name of the Lord. By the good grace of the Lord, one may also cooperate and join in the chanting at that time, simply by the association of such pure devotee, the moonlight rays from their hearts reflect on him and by the influence of the pure devotees, he may show some likeness of attachment caused by inquisitiveness. But this is very flickering.

It's desire chanting.

For a new person, just like chanting in association with pure devotees, just by doing just by doing so sometimes may awaken shadow attachment. Or it's very flickering. It would come and go, but it.

Gives one a little glimpse of what's ahead.

So it gives one and glimpse of what's ahead so that they would keep up with devotional service. And.

This sounds of potency.

This shows the potency of chanting.

Associating.

With devotees and associating with pure devotees. So such a person may get some kind of a shadow rati or a virgin rati or reflective rati.

One keeps on chanting and I turn into real rati.

But if one keeps on chanting, that may turn into real rati. Okay, or continuing from okay, continuing with the reading. Or it could be transformation of Jada rati material rati. In some cases it might be Kapot rati, duplicious rati where the support Ashaya of rati who is the living entity, considers himself impermanent and the subject Vishaya, the supreme Lord is Nirvishesha without attributes, meaning devoid of form. The worshipper's Rati is therefore impermanent, conditional and duplicious material or in the form of reflection by certain circumstances, whether by understanding of the Acharya's intention or by attaining. If any of the previously mentioned five types of worshippers develop the understanding that their worship deities is eternal and that they are the eternal servants of that deity, then a partial manifestation of Shuddha Rati, pure Rati occurs. The Rati of worshippers of Vishnu, Shiva Ganesha. Becoming directed toward consciousness, it gradually culminates in Krishna, Sri Krishna, the meditation on sun by Surya Upasakas, worshippers of Sun. Gradually this rati takes shelter in Sri Narayana within the sun, the Rati of Prakriti nature worshippers progresses from thinking of energy to ultimately this rati takes shelter of the Supreme Lord as the source of that energy. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna has said that those who worship other deities while neglecting some aspects of proper method of worship, are actually actually worshiping me indirectly. So.

Sometimes rati which are not permanent.

So there are different kinds of real things. So there are different kinds of rati which are not permanent, not the real thing. So some may be a partial effect.

Of Shuddharathi, some things may be.

Some maybe shareharati Duplicious Rati.

Devotional Krishna and understand that he is eternal. Atma is eternal. We are the servant of Krishna.

So gradually one focus on Krishna and understands that he is eternal. The Atma is eternal and focuses on serving Krishna via his servant. Eternal servants. Sorry.

Then they start to realize.

Then they start to realize real Rati. Okay.

I was coming to the temple like one or two days I was coming.

I was coming to the temple for one or two days and.

Prabhupada gave me some beads.

Prabhupada's secretary gave me some beads and he said, you can chant on this. And then I chanted for like six hours. I chanted like 32 rounds or more. I felt all kinds of spiritual bliss.

And different things.

Tears in my eyes and different things.

I came back to tell the water.

So when I came back to the temple, Prabhupada secretary was waiting for me. Oh, by mistake I gave you Shla Prabhupada's beads. I'm not supposed to give those to anybody. Please give them back.

So.

The next day I was checked. So next day I was chanting on an ordinary page. It was not the same. So somehow I got the beats of Srila Prabhupada and that gave me a great ecstasy. As Mentioned in the bhagavad in the 9.2232 5 but those yoga Kshema Vaham miham. It's too hot. Okay. But those who always worship me with exclusive devotion meditating on my transcendental form, to them I carry what they lack and I preserve what they have. Those who are devotees of other gods and who. And who worship them with faith actually worship only me, O son of Kunti. But they do so in a wrong way. Yanti Deva Vrata Devan Tutran Yanti Pitra Vrataha Bhutani Yanti Bhuti Jia Yanti Maam Matyajino pmaam. Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods. Those who worship the ancestors go to the ancestors. Those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings. And those who worship me will live with me. Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods. Those who worship ancestors go to ancestor it.

So these are verses are all you got.

These are verses from Bhagavad Gita. So this states how can. How one.

How one?

What did you say? How one. This states how one.

Everyone worships other gods.

If one worships other gods.

They go to that place, take birth.

So they go to God, they go to that place and they take birth amongst that people. Krishna is saying, when you worship other gods, you actually worship me.

It's not the right way of worshiping Krishna.

It's not the right way of worshiping Krishna. So when you worship the devas, you take birth among the devas.

Under the forefathers.

So when you worship the Pitris, you take birth among the forefathers.

All the worship all the spirits.

So those who worship ghosts and spirits take birth among them. But those who worship Ka will live with Krishna.

Who wants to worship Krishna.

So who wants to worship Krishna?

Who wants the words of the ghost?

Who wants to worship ghosts and the spirits? Who wants to worship the demigods? So who wants to worship the Pitris? Who wants to worship Krishna? They will ultimately reach me alone. The main principle is that due to certain impurities related to the support Aya and the subject Vishaya of Rati, the Rati does not become complete. As the discussion on Rati gradually progresses and Rati is nourished, the support Aashaya and the subject Vishaya of Rati become free from all impurities over many lifetimes. At that point, pure Ka Bhakti becomes accessible to those living entities. Occasionally association with sadhus in the nourishing factor of that rati in the world. There is numerous examples of Jada rati material rati observed in the lives of those addicted to intoxicants, involved with prostitutes, deeply attached to household life, and focused on satisfying their bellies. When Laila dies, Majnu doesn't leave, doesn't leave. When Urvasi leaves, King Aayati loses his life, Romeo gives up his life for Juliet. There are many such examples can also be found in books. Are these not symptoms of Vrati? What is this rati? When the conscious living entity becomes bound by matter and identifies itself with matter, its inherent nature of Bhagavad rati becomes distorted with ashraya shelter. The living entity abandoning the Vishaya subject in the form of supreme Lord, it extends its symptoms toward material objects, considering them as the Vishaya subject. The worship of the various demigods and demigoddesses by the monastic Saguna worshippers is all only material imagination. The action that is performed by material rati towards the subjects of material imagination, that action is also performed in relation to the imagined demigods and demigoddesses as well. Just as readers and listeners become sad when they hear the joys and sorrows in Gulliver's novel and display signs of rati with sympathy to sympathy towards the imagined human characters, so too will the devotees display signs of rati when they remember the past times of imagined deities. What's surprising in this an old woman, a listener of the Ramayana, became extremely agitated upon hearing about Rama's exile to the forest. When other listeners asked her the reason, she said, oh, one of my goats went into the forest and it never returned. Ra remembering that I cried upon hearing Rama's journey to the forest, consider this. Not all who cry in the name of worshipping the Lord exhibit shuddharathi pure rati. Many of them display the effects of chadarati material rati. This material rati in certain contexts is also a reflection of pure rati manifesting the signs of rati among worshippers of imagined demigods and brahmavadis. All four previously mentioned types of rati have potential for deceit. For instance, a wicked wife may display false marital material rati to dispel her husband's suspicion. Many cunning individuals exhibit signs of rati before imagined deities with the hope of hope of obtaining offerings, particularly goat meat, thus demonstrating examples of deceitful rati. Some people seeking the favor of the Acharya and recognition of the saintly community with the desire to gain respect of the general populace and success of their undertakings like Karl and Amy to get honor in grand festivals, accept duplicity in Bhagavad and display symptoms such as dance, sweat, horribulation, tears, rolling on the ground, trembling. And occasionally even display the symptoms up to Baba. But there is no Sattvika vikar in these hearts. In their hearts.

This reminds me of Subaru's mother.

So this reminds me of Subak Swami's mother.

Symptoms of Voila.

When she came, she displayed all the symptoms of Baba.

Rolling on the ground.

Rolling on the ground.

Crying, crying. My son should go home.

My son should come home.

This kind of pulse.

So this is a kind of a false rati. Her attachment towards her son. So Srila Prabhupada said, oh, your son can go. Really? Really. If he wants to.

Do you want to go with your mother?

Asked you bakswami, would you like you want to go with your mother.

Stay here?

And he said, no, I want to stay here.

She was shocked.

She was shocked. So Prabhupada said, we are not holding him. They can go if they want. We have so many devotees here.

Not holding them, we are not holding them.

And.

All that is.

So sometimes someone they would do these things like dancing, sweating, horripulating, tearing, rolling on the ground, trembling and occasionally even display the symptom up to Baba.

There's no satvika change in their heart.

But there is no sattvika change in their heart.

Actors symptoms.

In the movies, sometimes the actors display the symptoms.

Crying, trembling, crying, Trembling on the ground.

Rolling on the ground. So these are what Srila Prabhupada called it perverted reflection. So very naturally you can display or feel these emotions. So it's not that nobody cries, nobody dances. What.

Is that? Material world they call that love.

In material world they call that love after. Sometimes maybe they want before. So one should have these natural ecstatic feelings for Krishna. And.

There'S no commit any offenses. If you don't commit any offenses.

If you don't commit any offenses then that's permanent. Then it's permanent.

It goes higher, higher.

It even goes higher and higher.

So we would like people to awaken the real rati.

So we would like so we would like people to awaken their real rati for Krishna. Radha Madhav Panchatatva it.

In the heart.

So these symptoms don't appear in the heart. Just a reflection by devotional service. You can eventually awaken these emotions to Krishna.

Okay, tomorrow bob with them. I had houses.

Tomorrow. Okay, so tomorrow Gurma should be giving.

Where is Guru Datta.

Guru that.

I heard that you are going to help us in buck the kids. Thank you for your help. Back tickets here is that on your left. She's going to Bombay tomorrow.

Also.

Is.

Also leaving to uk.

Can you see her?

And we have also how many devoted from Australia?

Sydney 60.

We only can hear if they say Haribol.

Okay, Hare Krishna. Dear devotees, tomorrow morning Guru Maharaj would be giving a Bhagavatam class in the temple hall Panchitatva temple hall so the class starts at 8am and goes up to 9am and also just one more thing I just wanted to let you know. Okay, okay. And no and no virtual Darshan for Far east devotees. So as Guru Maharaj has to attend some meetings tomorrow. So see you. See you all morning in the morning at the temple hall Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj.

Dear devotees, for those who are physically present here, to the left of you near the gate there's a physical book table which is Guru Maharaj personal physical book table. And this you have the opportunity to do some service of sponsoring Bhagavad Gita small books etc to fulfill the instructions special instruction given to Guru Maharaj by Srila Prabhupada to distribute 10,000 Maha Big books and 100,000 small books every month. It's a monthly contribution and Guru Maharaj is depending on all of you devotees to fulfill this instruction of Srila Prabhupada every month. In fact every day. Dear devotees, welcome to Guru Maharaj virtual book table. So today we have Kumbh Mela Gita Dawn Premature Devidasi from Bangalore 1008 Bhagavad Gita Mumbai J 802 Bhagavad Gita Santarupa Nemaidas from Jamshedpur 2 Bhagavad Gita Moonmoon Shill from Nadia, 4 Bhagavad Gita Mantreshwar Chaitanya Das from Surat 10 Bhagavad Gita Shankar Goldar from Nadia 4 Bhagavad Gita Shamal Das from Kolkata 4 Bhagavad Gita Anima Das from Kolkata 11 Bhagavad Gita Nit Adikari from Mithnapur 11 Bhagavad Gita Govinda Mandal from Kolkata 5 Bhagavad Gita Satik Majumdar from Kolkata 21 Bhagavad Gita Saikat Burman from Spain 11 Bhagavad Gita Tushar Debnath from Tripura 11 Bhagavad Gita Hirak Sarkar from Nadia 24 Bhagavad Gita, Mantresh Gangadas from Baroda 67 Bhagavad Gita Anubrinda from Hoogly 12 Bhagavad Gita from physical book table we didn't receive any report. So we have our Niti Saivites.

Eight.

Small books in the couple of days yesterday and to me and from Kasadesh we have Domini Mataji and her family two Bhagavad Gita, 20 small books, Sumohini Devidasi two Bhagavad Gita and 20 small books. They both are exemplary example for displaying the 1:10 ratio exactly as Guru Mahraj wants it to fulfill Srila Prabhupada instruction to him. And we have Toshin Krishnadas 2 Bhagavad Gita, Yugala Devida C 10 Bhagavad Gitas, Hemagatri Devidasi 11 Bhagavad Gita. So thank you very much. Especially for those who are sponsoring in a 1:10 ratio. This represents exactly how Guru Maharaj wants it. In order to fulfill Guru Maharaj I mean his Guru Maharaj special instruction to him regarding book distribution and it's a monthly contribution for Guru Maharaj and forest is a daily contribution and Srila Prabhupada chanthandle book distribution. All these devotees are getting a special Narasimha Puja in a few hours from now in Siddham Mayapur. And all of you devotees also please bless them by calling out Nitai Gauravaranga with me. Nitai Gauranga. Thank you and please pass on this wonderful opportunity of participating in the past team of Guru Maharaj distributing the profile books even with a single Bhagavad Gita or just a few small books. Please do WhatsApp anytime to Guru Maharaj Virtual book table at 919-434-7604 and stay tuned for tomorrow Srimad Bhagavatam class in the morning and evening Lord Chaitanya class and let's do an intense prayer today at dialysis we have we'll have an intense prayer for speedy and full recovery of Guru Maharaj. And of course our prayer is included for all those who are celebrating their anniversaries today for their well being and blissful Krishna consciousness. Please join me in the intense prayer. Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare. Thank you very much. We went to the 13th chapter.

Wow. Six and seven.