20250419 - First Stream — General analysis of the mellows - part 5

Transcribed excerpt of a live Krishna-consciousness discourse (April 19, 2025) led by a speaker called Gurumaharaj with at least one co-speaker and Q&A participants. The session reads and explains passages from Sri Chaitanya Shikshamrita and Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, discusses distinctions between bhava, anubhava, bhakti stages (including bhava and prema), sahajiyas vs. sincere devotees, display vs. control of ecstatic emotions during deity darshan, and practical encouragement for book distribution and guru/teaching qualifications in ISKCON. The recording alternates short lecture segments, scriptural quotation/paraphrase, and an extended listener Q&A and announcements segment (book table, donations, prayers).
Shaitan. So I'm gonna give a class on one paragraph.
So I'm gonna give a class on one paragraph.
Question and answers.
And then I would open up for question and answers.
Or you can. Or you can think ahead of any questions.
So you can think ahead if you have any question. Okay. Hi, Krishna. Dear. Dear devotees, today we will continue with the reading from Sri Chaitanya Shikshamrita, Vashla, Sachidananda, Bhakti, Vinod Thakur, the five types of Swabhava, nature, the Rati that is attained by the name Staibhav. Not this one. Okay. Can you hear us? Seven seconds. We have read all these things. Okay. 25, 92. Okay. Okay. Yes. Yes. There's some technical errors. The ancient authorities have given the following statement from Mahabharata as well as other statements as an example to show that rati, which is the play of the Lord's greatest potency and which is inconceivable, can never be defiled by material logic. Srila Prabhupada's translation to this verse from Bhakti Rasamruty Sindhu. No one, while remaining on the material platform, should discuss these different descriptions of Bhava and Anubhava by quoting different statements of transcendental literatures. No one, while remaining on the material platform, should discuss these different descriptions of Bhava in Anubhava by quoting different statements of transcendental literature. Such manifestations are displays of transcendental pleasure potency of the Lord. One should simply try to understand that on a spiritual platform there are many varieties of reciprocal love. Such loving exchanges should never be considered to be material.
How people on the mundane platform may consider these Baba ecstasies as material.
So we can see how people on the mundane platform can consider this Bhava ecstasy to be material and.
Not achievable. Highs are devotees, and they are not.
Achievable by the devotees.
Actually, these are very high ecstasies.
Actually, these are very high ecstasies.
They're part of the accessible achievements.
So they are part of the accessible achievements without.
I mean, as well, the eight levels of devotional service.
As you go up on the eight levels of devotional service, eighth level. And the eighth level is Bhava receive.
Prema and I need some special mercy to receive Prema.
You may need some special mercy.
Bhava is something that everybody can achieve.
Baba is something that everybody can achieve and eventually should achieve it.
So then from Lola, when Krishna is pleased with your sincerity, when they got.
Prema, and then in Bhava when Krishna is pleased with your sincerity, then you can achieve prema.
But ah and Sa. It's achievable.
But it's achievable.
And we want every devotee to achieve it.
And we want every devotee to achieve it.
Actually I brought about one and it's everybody should be a guru.
Actually Srila Prabhupada wanted in iskcon everybody should be a guru.
Eventually they should study and be able to give Krishna's instructions.
They should study and eventually they should be able to give out Krishna's instructions.
And so when you're a student, it's not that you stay a student forever.
If you're a student, it's not that you would stay as a student forever.
Eventually you'll be a teacher.
Eventually you'd be a teacher even if.
You go to college.
So even if you go to the go to a college, first you have to get your degree.
That how do you get your higher degrees, master's, Ph.D. and then eventually get.
Your higher degrees, masters and Ph.D. and then you become a teacher.
So like that probably wanted tens of thousands, hundred thousand million.
Ten million gurus select Prabhupada. Tens of thousand, hundred thousand. A million and then 10 million gurus.
People Prabhupada said it wow, high ball.
When Prabhupada said this, people were like.
Like Gauri and Mata. They're imitating Bhakti, Siddhartha, Saraswati, Prabhupada, they're not following him.
So even the Gyrimad, they're imitating Bhakti, Siddhanta, Saraswati, Thakura, Prabhupada, but they are not following him. We see so many Gaudiyamats, one Gaurimat, one guru.
I mean Prabhupada Quran has done millions of gurus.
Srila Prabhupada wanted one is gone millions of gurus.
I mean we should first be a good disciple.
I mean we should first be a.
Good disciple and then we can become one reasonably great Christian. Krishna, as he said in Bhagavad Gita, other shastras.
And we should repeat Krishna, as he has said in the Bhagavad Gita and.
Other shastras, then we become a teacher.
And then we become a teacher.
And.
So.
I watch a Tamil he was asking every devotee.
So Lord Chaitanya was asking every devotee, mature devotee, to take disciples.
India was a big pushback.
In India there was a big pushback on lady gurus.
But Prabhupada, he didn't push back.
But Prabhupada, he didn't push back.
How to qualify different devotees.
Here we should see how to qualify different devotees.
How to give them training.
How to give them training.
How to let them practice.
How to let them practice. How to.
How to achieve achievements.
How to have them achieve these different spiritual achievements which are mentioned here. Which are mentioned here. The ancient. Okay. The material world is only a degraded reflection of the spiritual world.
Bhava is a perverted reflection. Here they say degraded reflection.
Prabhupada, he would say perverted reflection. Here they would say. Here they say degraded reflection.
Some people have put their love in material relations.
So people, they put their love in different material relations like their father, brother.
Your sister, father, your sister.
Hello countrymen or your fellow countrymen.
Actually you should love God, you love Krishna.
Actually you should love God, you should love Krishna.
Instead you are pacifiers to let you love other people.
So instead they give you other pacifiers to let you love other people.
So Hiranya, Hirashipur he wanted his son to love him.
He wanted his son to love him. Praaat he loved Krishna but pilat he loved Krishna.
So Hiranya Kashima wanted to kill him.
Wanted to kill him.
You don't delegate yourself to me, this God, I don't see it anywhere.
So here Yakashipu wanted to kill him. If you don't dedicate yourself to me, this God, I don't see him anywhere.
I will kill you.
I will kill you.
You get your power for the sake. He asked Prahlad where did you get your power?
So he asked Prahlad, where did he get your power from?
And Prahlad said, I get my power the same place where you get your power.
Prahlad said I get my power from the same place where you get your power.
What? You don't accept that?
I do, but you don't accept that. But I do like this Prahlada so much. Krishna conscious.
Narasankade came.
Say that that Narasimhadev came and saved him. Okay. Where do sorrow, anger, fear and disgust which are condemned in the material world come from? The material world does not have an independent existence. It merely a perverted reflection of the spiritual worlded. Somehow it gives different adjectives. Perverted reflection of the spiritual world. The arrangements, emotions and processes that are pure and auspicious are in the ideal spiritual world are reflected here in the material world in an auspicious manner. The qualities that provide eternal auspiciousness in the spiritual world in the form of shelter. When Reflected here, all those natures are considered piety. Here the qualities that provide auspiciousness in an indirect form, Gatireka Rupa. When reflected here, all those natures produce inauspiciousness and are regarded as sins. For example, fear, sorrow in relation to Krishna provide an indescribable auspiciousness and nourish the blissful Rasa.
Loves the supreme personality so much that is spiritual. Krishna's having his feet, his Lola's feet.
So when one loves Krishna so much, he is fearful Krishna is harming his feet.
The road is very hard.
So the road is very hard. Little pebbles are here and there and his starfeet may get hurt.
In the material world that feeling is considered inauspicious.
But in the material world that feeling is considered inauspicious.
But if you have that feeling for Ka, then it's auspicious.
If you have that feeling for Krishna then it's auspicious.
It rides indescribable inauspiciousness nourishes this for.
Rasa it provides indescribable auspiciousness and nourishes the blissful Rasa. This note will finish this Gurmaj. They'll finish this part.
Huh?
This. The continue of the note of the. Of the. Is the note of this okay? There's a. Okay, there's a quotation. I don't know where is it from. We wish to declare that Rati which has the son Rati which has the son of a Kahut which has the son of the cowherd king Nanda as its object is is the height of most intense bliss. The fear in the spiritual world reflected here initiates future inauspiciousness for the Jiva. The purport is that therein in the spiritual world all the nature of eternal happiness find their culmination in Ka alone. Herein in material world sense gratification is the culmination of their reflected sentiments. The culmination here is the cause of misfortune and and impermanence. Hence those nature that nurture happiness there in the spiritual world is an indirect way being reflected herein in the material world creates sorrow Here this in whose heart the experience of spiritual happiness is dormant. They cannot easily understand this purport and.
Carol allowed the attraction between man and wife as sorrow.
So in the material world the relationship between husband and man and wife that creates sorrow.
But in the surgery since Ka is indestructible.
But in the spiritual world since Ka.
Is indestructible, all these fears and Negative sorrows. There are actually different manifestations of love.
All this fear, this negative sorrow, they are actually different manifestations of love.
So this may not be understandable. Materialist.
It is. It's in what? What was that may not be understandable. Sorry, Guru Mahar. It may not be understandable to the materialist.
Here Krishna consciousness, the husband and wife are supposed to both love versatile.
But here in Ka consciousness, the husband and wife, they are both supposed to.
Love Krishna and Hotload they may have probably give example sensual tastes like salt. Too much or too little.
Okay. Like Srila Prabhupada gave that example. Like salt, if you have too much or too less, the food doesn't taste good.
But the point is that if you have the right amount, then if your predominant predominant feeling is for Ka, then Lord Chaitanya he was recommending that.
So if you have that, then you have this predominant feeling for Krishna. And then Lord Chaitanya, what was the last Padgurmaj?
Lord Chaitanya was right.
Lord Chaitanya was trying to find that.
So over and over, question, answer.
Now we're over to question and answers. Lord Chaitanya recommended that Lord Chaitanya.
Question.
Saturdays and Sundays are question and answer days.
Hare Krishna. Guru Maharaj, please accept my respectful obeisances. Sometimes.
How many times? Only once, all the time.
Kirsten. Sometimes during deity Darshan, I have seen devotees display symptoms of crying and smiling in bliss which are sometimes hard to control. So is there a way to control this feeling in front of adults? Or is it okay if it outpours as a cry for Krishna? Please enlighten us.
Because they are Sahajiyas, they display emotions.
Because the Sahajiyas, they display the emotions.
As a sign that they are very advanced devotees.
As a sign that they are very advanced devotees.
They are actually cheaters.
But they're actually cheaters.
So for that reason, Bharti Sudha Prabhupada, they try to control their emotions.
For that reason, Bhakti Siddhanta, Sataka, Srila Prabhupada, they try to control their emotions.
I saw Prabhupada right now several times.
But I saw Srila Prabhupada break down several times.
So it's not that he was trying to show off, but it's not that.
He was trying to show off, but he.
Sometimes he can't control it.
But sometimes he can't control it.
And we don't want to leave. We try to control Bhakti. We heard that Bhakti Siddhanta.
So they try to control it. Sometimes he would leave the class and.
Because he couldn't control it.
Because he couldn't control it.
So, you know, so we try to suppress it.
So we try to suppress it.
So it doesn't get. Because, you know, that's our policy.
You know, that's our policy.
People, if they are despite their emotions, then how people may be misunderstood.
People, if they display their emotions, others may misunderstand. That.
Was the situation on the previous eras. Previous eras.
The situations in the previous yugas. Previous eras. The previous eras. The eras of Bhakti Vinod Thakur. Bhakti Siddhanta Sarsati Thakur.
So a lot of Sahajas.
There were lots of Sahajas.
I mean, Martin Thakur had a song.
Has written a song and he mentions the different types of Sahajiyas.
Maybe not so many Sahajas.
Now we are in a situation where there are not so many Sahajiyas, more ISKCON devotees.
So we want you all to feel the ecstasy.
So we want you all to feel.
The ecstasy, but not necessarily to display it.
What Sagrumaj?
Not necessarily to display it, but not.
Necessarily to display it.
Because and display it show off and some kind of roti stasha.
So if you want to display your ecstasy to show off, then it's a. It's some kind of pettishtasa. So that's the thing.
That's a good sign. Sincere.
It's a good sign if it's sincere.
By saying that everyone cries or feels.
Something by seeing the deity. If one cries or feels something, that's good.
But the downside is that it's popular because of the material aspect.
So the downside if you show it off, it's not good because of the material aspect.
Sometimes even regular child I He is a child of Rala. They couldn't help it.
But sometimes the previous Acharyas, even Srila Prabhupada, they couldn't help it.
And Rabban had the class at Gitanagari.
You can hear the class in Gitanagari.
How Lord Chaitanya embraced.
So there he gave a class how Lord Chaitanya embraced Sanatana Goswami.
And he said it was like lady of her style.
And he said that it was like the meeting of Krishna and the Gopis.
And at that time he actually broke up.
At that time he actually broke up.
And so I mean I saw Mayapur and the deserthernes day of.
I saw in Mayapur on the disappearance day of Bhakti Sidantha Open Disrupting him.
Next question. Hare Krishna Gurudev, please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada and all glories to you. My question is the determination and dedication you have. We are not able to get even a little drop of it. Could you give us some tips on how and what inspires you? Your unqualified daughter Anandini Murari Priya Devidasi ISKCON Indoor.
How Bill I would my telling you what inspires me or that.
Pistol about my telling you what inspires me, is that sufficient?
And then practicing Krishna consciousness since 1968.
I mean I've been practicing Ka consciousness since 1968.
At that time Prabhupada told me to read the Gita 10 times if I wanted to be initially.
At that time Prabhupada told me to read the Gita 10 times if I want to be initiated.
Rathra was initiated. I had a book Gita 10 times. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 1, 2, 3, four, five. Still got that Gita.
So after I was initially I had this book, the Gita it had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 1, 2, 3, 4,. And I still got the Gita.
I'm very much inspired by Bharat's books.
I'm very much inspired by Srila Prabhupada's books.
Not everything I don't know but now everything to do with Krishna inspires me.
So now every I don't know since when. But now everything to do with Krishna inspires me.
I'm inspired just talking about Krishna.
I'm inspired just talking about Krishna.
I'm inspired hearing about Krishna.
I'm inspired hearing about Krishna.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much. Has the certificate is Khan teacher certificate ttc so she can teach Shasti courses. She's a Shastic teacher, a guru.
Everybody should be at least a Sikh role.
Everybody should be at least a Sikhsha guru. And eventually I hope a Diksha guru. Okay, Hare Krishna.
So Guru Mahraj is blessing all the devotees, those who are assembled here and online.
So.
Learning.
The books, you all help me. 1000 book, 2000 book. But yesterday it was only 18 books. Too bad. So today make sure you know, he gets thousand at least.
So Guru Maharaj Kij so welcome to Guru Mahraj virtual book table. Dear devotees, for those who are physically present here on this transcendental lotus rooftop for you there's a physical book table to the left of you near the gate. It's meant for only you and nobody else in the universe. So you have this wonderful opportunity to serve Guru Maharaj in his physical book table. So go before you leave and see in what way you can sponsor a book or you know, buy or sell books. And today we have from Mathura Desh Yatra headed by Buddhi Krishna Prabhu for Vyasapuja his grace Brajeshwar Krishna Das 11 Bhagavad Gita is grace Radha Jeevan Bharkam 197 Bhagavad Gita family 51 Bhagavad Gita Buddhi Krishnada's family 11 Bhagavad Gita Vinay Nithai Prabhu Vriksha 76 Bhagavad Gita Adit 3 Mati Aditi Rohit Sawant 11 Bhagavad Gita IS grace Murali Manohara MC Ghala Gala Devotees 356 Bhagavad Gita & Murali Mahar Manohar Prabhu 20 Bhagavad Gita Sankarshan Chaitanya Das Prabhu 76 Bhagavad Gita Vikram Ramdas Prabhu 51 Bhagavad Gita Anya Ravindra Azab 51 Bhagavad Gita Sarvesh Prabhu 51 Bhagavavad Gita Divya Gopa Prabhu MC 20 Bhagavad Gita Paresh Krishna Prabhu's sector 76 Bhagavad Gita Gokul Prabhu 108 Bhagavad Gita Rasendra Madhava Prabhu 13 Bhagavad Gita Krishna Rajana Das 11 Bhagavad Git Shivanath Giridari Bhakti Viksha team 76 Bhagavad Gita Radha Ranjan Prabhu MC 1000 Bhagavad Gita Haribo just now Guru Maharaj wanted and it has come and Srimati Renuka Mataji 19 Bhagavad Gita Bala Murugan Prabhu and team 51 Bhagavad Gita Madan Mohan Chaitanya Das 49 Bhagavad Gita Mada Mohan Chaitanya Das again 20 Bhagavad Gita and we also have our Nitya Sevites Balachandrachana Vinita Gandharvika Devina SE BALON the 12 small books in the last three days from Kasadesh devotee we have Dominique Devidasi and her family three Bhagavad Gitan 30 small books in three days. This is exactly as per Srila Prabhupada's instruction to guru Maharaj in 1:10 ratio. These devotees are consistently maintaining this service on a daily basis. Thank you devotees for your enthusiastic role model and being an exemplary example for all of us to follow. And Shashanka Koti Krishnadas from USA six small books in three days Srila Prabhupada and Tender Book Distribution Also these devotees get a special Narasimha Puja in a few awards from Love in Sri Dham Mayapur and all of you devotees also bless them by calling out Nithai Gauravaranga with me Nithaiga Ranga thank you. Please pause on this wonderful opportunity of participating in pastime of Srila Guru Maharaj in distributing Srila Prabhupada books. Even if it's a single Bhagavad Gitan just 10 small books. Please do WhatsApp anytime to Guru Maharaj virtual book table at 91 943-4760402 and stay tuned for tomorrow's Lord Chaitanya class and let's have an intense prayer for Gurumraha's PD and full recovery. And of course our prayers include for all those who are celebrating their anniversaries today for their well being and blissful Krishna consciousness. So please join me in the intense prayer. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare thank you very much. Vaishnavranam Wanchakal Pataru Bhascha Kripas Hindu Bia Patitanam Pavane Namon.
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