Jaya Pataka Swami and Ranga Devi answer questions about initiation (shelter from age 11, initiation from 12), stabilizing Krishna-consciousness through hearing and chanting, bringing non-devotee friends to the temple, and advancing in practice by avoiding the ten offenses to the holy name.
Is getting initiated important to going to Krishna?
Is getting initiated important to going back to Krishna? Is getting initiated important to go back to Krishna?
Krishna sadness. You are a spiritual astra. And.
If Krishna sends you a spiritual master and you accept it, then it is very useful.
It could be obstacle.
But if out of false ego you don't accept it, it could be an obstacle.
But if you don't read bonafides.
But if you don't need a bona fried spiritual master, you can Hare Krishna. That's okay.
How old are you? How old are you?
Almost tenderized. Almost 10.
So people who are 8 years old, they don't take aside.
So people who are 8 years old, they could 8 up, they could take aspiring.
Or 11 years old and have shelter.
Those who are 11 years old up can can take shelter.
Taking shelter.
And Those who are 12 years old up and who have taken shelter, they could take initiation. They can take initiation.
Inshallah we not consider that until people are at least 12 they can understand the reality of taking energy.
Because we don't consider that people unless they're at least 12, they may not understand the gravity of taking initiation.
Hare Krishna Guru Maharaj, please accept my respectful obeisances at your lotus feet.
Thank you very much.
Thank you for the beautiful class. My question is, whenever I hear some class or I'm reading regularly, I do feel Krishna conscious at that point. But the consciousness is so flickering that whenever we are interacting with someone or in our personal relationships, we often go in that ego mode. In personal relationships like the consciousness is.
So flickering, consciousness is flickering. So sometimes when we're in that ego mode, especially in some personal relationships.
So how do we, how can we have the determined consciousness that we can shift from egocentric to Krishna centric relationships?
Does that rely for such rehearsal?
I mean there are different relationships with Krishna.
Mutual experience with respect is reliance on.
Ghata and variety, mutual servitude, friendship. Yeah, first neutral, then servitorship and friendship with respect there realized in Vaikuntha with.
Narayania, friendship, friendship and trial with Krishna.
There'S friendship, a familial friendship, let's say parental hood and conjugal.
What's so then our present body is not. We may have a friend body, our relationship may be a mother or baby.
But our present body, it's like that. We may even have a man's body but still have a relationship as a gopi or mother.
We may have a female body, be a friend or father.
We may have a female body and still be a friend or a Father.
Our present body doesn't dictate what our relief is.
Our present body doesn't mean or dictate.
What our relationship is with Kajal.
So through the Bhagavatam to Caitanya Chaturamita, we get to know all the different kinds of relationships we have through the relationships with Krishna.
Whether you are attracted by one.
Maybe we are attracted by one.
And that takes time.
Maybe it takes time.
So what? Gradually by dusting, by practicing.
Gradually by listening. Listening by practicing devotional service.
Advance.
We advance in Ka consciousness.
To the.
Rag we go from the Vidhi marga to the ragnuga marg, all the things. So these things happen gradually and naturally.
Well, how to worry how I achieve all these things?
We don't have to worry how will I achieve all these things?
Rather it happens naturally.
Rather it happens naturally.
It takes time.
But it takes time.
And we have any kind of false ego attachments.
If we have any kinds of detachments or false ego, we should forget those.
Alzheimer's doesn't exist. Or we identify with our body.
All kinds of designations that we have with our body.
We purify those.
So like you are talking about ego, we purify those.
And this way our consciousness becomes pure.
This way our consciousness becomes pure.
Unless we achieve this pure consciousness, we can't really appreciate Ka.
Unless we attain this pure consciousness, we can't really appreciate Ka fully.
I hear thy senses preserve the master of the senses.
So we engage our senses to serve. The master of the senses.
Purifies.
And gradually this purifies our consciousness. Came all the way from Atlanta. Came all the way from Atlanta. I'm preaching to a few of my non devotee friends and I was wondering at what stage should I try to bring them into the temple? Because I don't want my nondivity friends. And then I'm thinking at what stage should I actually bring them to the temple? I don't want them to fall in like making offenses or something like that. Yeah. Because I don't want them to fall into making some kind of fences and like that.
You would know your friends better.
You would know your friends better than me.
When you're ready, maybe first bring it out, there's no people there.
Maybe you can bring them when there's no people there. Just to explain the deities and just to see if things.
They saw you in class but you know, say something like.
And if someone is giving a class and that, you know, they would not say something that would likely burn them out.
And you have theologists, the third house who the hell classes there like in Atlanta.
There are three houses and I think like the third one, the lowest one down. They have classes there.
Watching Satan. Controlled atmosphere.
That may be more like a controlled atmosphere. What's your name? Ranga Devi. Ranga Devi, thank you for coming here and your friend. So my mother. My mother, father Mary Devi Nasi from Netherlands. Is that. Sorry my Balavi. Yes. Any other question? My question is how to advance in chanting. My question is how to advance enchanting Hare Krishna?
If you chant.
If you chant then automatically you advance.
Chat. Try to avoid offenses.
We chat and try to avoid offenses. Have you heard the 10 offenses?
I avoid those.
So we try to avoid those.
And then lastly then naturally you were advanced authority.
Because.
We don't have such taste to 20 hours.
Also because we don't have so much taste to chant 24 hours a day.
So unless possible do the other practices.
So as much as possible do the other practices.
Are also serves.
There are nine practices of devotional service. You can do hearing and chanting and then there's other ones.
Hare Krishna. Guru Maharaj, please accept my Amala Bhasan. Settle your divine water feet. Guru Maharaj, you mentioned in the class today that some people go to Krishna for material benefit.
You mentioned that some people go to Krishna for material benefit during the class.
And the real benediction is love for Krishna. How do we keep balance asking Krishna for material desires and Krishna love. Love for Krishna.
How do we keep a balance in asking Krishna for material benefit and asking Krishna towards his love for Krishna?
You see, at Krishna for our material reverence, it's like doing business.
Asking Krishna for material benefits is like doing business with Krishna.
I done so much service for you. For you it's always I've done so.
Much service for you, now give me something.
We don't want to do business with Krishna.
We don't want to do business with Krishna.
We want to serve Krishna.
We want to serve Krishna like the other beings.
Service to Krishna.
Bhakti Yoga means service to Krishna.
Krishna told Prahlad, you don't ask anything you want.
Krishna told Prahlad, you can ask for anything you want.
He said, I'm not here to do business with you.
He said, I'm not here to do business with you.
Why do you tempt me?
Why are you tempting me?
Please have mercy on my father.
Then he said, rather ask me for something and have mercy on my father. If I have to ask for something, then have mercy on my father. Paladmara says.
So like that. We want to ask Krishna material So.
Like that we don't want to ask Krishna for material things he gives us anyways. I mean, all the things we have are being given by him.
So now I want to repay him.
So now we want to repay him. We want to do something for him.
And that way they say, oh, probably going to do something.
Just like if you have children. And then they say, oh, can we do something for you father? Can we do something for you?
What do they want?
You would be thinking, what do they want it?
You are, you are. You love Krishna, but actually you don't want anything.
You want to have love for Krishna. Krishna may test you.
He will test you.
He will test you.
And right there, right? Either directly or through Maya.
Oh, either directly or through Maya.
Krishna, in my heart, you know that he thought we can't fool Krishna.
If we understand that Krishna is in our heart, he knows everything. We can't fool Krishna.
Yeah, by survey Krishna, he can lead us out eternally in the spiritual world.
By serving Krishna, we can be with him eternally in the spiritual world.
Without nice facility. Not this gives that already.
If we want to be in the material world and have nice facilities and all that, Krishna gives that already. Actually we should be attached to Krishna, not attached to these material things.
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