Lava-Mātra: A Moment with Jayapatākā Swami by HG Prahlāda Priya Dāsa #JayapatakaSwamiArchives

My name is Pilate Priya Das. I'm a disciple of Srila Prabhupada. I was initiated on July 19, 1976 in New York during the time that RLA Prabhupada was visiting for New York Rath Yachtra. My legal name is Phil Galeli. And the reason I mention that is our legal names are listed on some of the projects that we've done, such as Lord Krishna's Cuisine with Yuruna David. So in 1975, I was approached by some friends and I noticed that they were making different things, signs and different decorations for this festival that they said was called Rathi Atra. And there's no need to get into what the Rathiyatra festival is. Enough devotees have described that I really did not want anything to do with it. And I kept saying, no, thank you, no thank you, no thank you. And they described to me that Rla Prabhupda only came very infrequently and that he may not ever even come back to Philadelphia. Philadelphia is where I was born and raised. So I decided that out of respect, I could come and I could meet rla Prabhupada and see what this was about. Now, at that time, at least 8 to 10 of my friends were interested in Ka Consciousness. And some of them were, you know, this was early 70s. And for anyone that was around at the time, they know that was a crazy time. So I just thought they were out of their minds. But I decided to go. And I was with my childhood sweetheart, who I wound up marrying and getting initiated with. And we decided to go. So at that time we went and they were preparing for the Rathi Yatra and Rla Prabhupda came in the car. Tamal Krishna Goswami was with him. Ramananda was there. And he stepped out of the car with his cane and he was staring very. Because I had told everyone, I'll come, but I won't put on any war paint and I won't bow down on the ground with anyone. And they said, that's nice. If you'll just come, that'll be good enough. So Prabhupada got out of the car and he was staring in my direction very intensely. And I started to look behind me to try and understand who he might be staring at like this. And it turned out that there was no one behind me. So suddenly I found myself down on the ground, down on the ground. But I didn't know why I was down on the ground. And I was peeking from side to side, to see how long do I stay on the ground and what do I do and why, you know, how did this happen? And Prabhupada was coming from the car, walking toward the rathi atra cart, maybe 12ft, 15ft. And I was peeking up like this, and I heard the cane. His cane snapped on the ground. So I looked up, and Rla Prabhupada was looking down at me. And he went just like that. His glance, many devotees have explained the same feeling. His glance was so powerful that it felt like he could see through you with one look. It's as if he knew everything about you. And I was captivated, a little frightened, actually, because it was such a heavy feeling. So a little bit afterwards, half an hour, whenever Rla Prabhupada sat down to lecture. And the lecture was given at the Art Museum in Philadelphia, which is a very beautiful setting. Buildings from 1776, from revolutionary times. Anyway, I sat, and the most interesting thing is for me, if I. They videotaped a 1975 Rathi Atra. And just as I'm sitting in front of this camera now speaking, I happen to be right next to the camera that was recording Rla Prabhupda's lecture. Because I remember saying to some devotee, do you need me to move? Am I in the way? And so forth. And my mind is still saying, you know, I'm not so sure about any of this. And Prabhupada began to speak. And the first thing that he did was thank the devotees, these nice boys and girls, etc. Etc. Paraphrasing. It's all on videotape. And he said, on behalf of my spiritual master, I want to thank them. He said, now we have centers in London, Australia. And I thought, oh, this is an international movement, so this is not some small cult from Philadelphia or some small cult from someplace. And that struck me. That struck me. It stayed with me. So every time I see this video, my perspective of seeing Rla Prabhupda giving that lecture is exactly the perspective that I had that day, which was amazing. So later that day, someone gave me a BTG or I bought a btg. And I thought to myself, well, there's no harm in just having gone. And I cut out a little picture of Rla Prabhupda and a little picture of Krishna and Radharani, and I taped it onto my wall. And at that time, I was a musician. I had a full scholarship to musical academy. And so I was very musically inclined. And I had a really High quality stereo. But I hadn't been listening much to it for some reason, whatever the case. And I put these. Taped these pictures on my wall. And I said, okay, Krishna, if you're for real, give me a sign. And now I felt ridiculous saying that, you know, as if I'm commanding God to show himself to me. But that's what I said. I said, okay, Krishna, if you're really God, give me a sign. A moment later, I walked over and I pressed the power button on my stereo. And George Harrison singing My Sweet Lord came on. Hare Krishna. Hare Krishna. I remember freezing in place. I was frozen because I couldn't understand what had just happened. Now we're all getting to an age where those first few kernels have popped. And now many, many, many devotees our age are leaving their body, and many. So where was I? So I was listening to Srila Prabhupada's Le. I put the stereo on and suddenly I hear the holy name. And I became just. Just shocked because Krishna sent me a sign of all people. So at that point, we began going to the temple. And when I say we, there were at least 10 of us. That 10 became ultimately 13. And we would go on Sundays and we would hear the lectures and, you know, we would get into the kirtan. And this went on for some months until we thought we were so advanced that we would set up our own little temple. Because many people were skeptical, to say the least, about going to the temple. And that reminds me of a story that's important from before. Before I met Prabhupada. When I was 14. I was walking down the street with a friend of mine and I hear bells and clanging. And I look and I see a bunch of boys, men dressed in orange, chanting Hare Krishna. And I turned to my friend and I said, boy, I wish I could get the kind of drugs that they're taking just to get. You'd have to be really high just to get into the outfit itself to put on a sheet. And you're standing in the middle of the street. So one of these devotees handed me a Back to Godhead. And because I was an arrogant punk, which I still am, I took the back to Godhead magazine and I walked a few feet forward and I threw the Back to Godhead in the trash. Then I continued to walk with my friend, and something in my heart told me, that was really rude, what you just did. You could have simply said, no, thank you. You could have handed it back, but you threw it in the garbage. They paid money to print them. They're out here doing what they're doing. And so I went back to the garbage can. I took the BTG out of the garbage can. I stop the first stranger I could find, whoever was walking by. And I said, excuse me, here you go. That's from those guys over there. So that's the potency of Ka consciousness. And in my mind I see that as the seed Bhakti latabeeja. I see that that was when Prabhupada Krishna gave me softened, softened my soul softened a hard heart. So what we did was we had a house and you know, many of us were with our spouses to be. And we took one of the bedrooms and we set it up with cinder blocks and wood and pictures of Lord Caitanya and pictures of Prabhupada. And for those people who did not or would not come to the temple, we would have a Sunday feast. Which is kind of amusing considering, you know, we knew about, we knew about as much about Ka consciousness as we did neuroscience, physics or, you know, yeah, you. You name it, we didn't know anything. But these people would come and the best we could, we would cook some feast and offer it and. And then gradually for those who became a little soft hearted, they would go to the temple. And at that time we decided that we really should join the temple. So 13 of us decided that in a matter of. I was in college and I had a full scholarship for music. So this would have been maybe October or November is the beginning of my second semester if I recall correctly. And we had made an agreement that at the end of the semester, you know, we'll take a break and we'll all go down to Miami, Florida and surrender to Krishna. So this was the plan. And meanwhile we were going to the temple and seeing the devotees. So this one day someone told us the Radha Dhamidar bus party is in Philadelphia. And there are two sannyasis that are very, very amazing and intelligent and very close to RLA Prabhupda. And that would have been Tamal Krishna Goswami, His Holiness Tamal Krishna Goswami and his Holiness Vishnujan Maharaj, who became like a big brother to me. Vishnujan Maharaj we could spend the next hour on. But for the purposes of this particular interview or video, we won't. So we met them. We went to the temple and we met them. And to describe how neophyte, neophyte means a beginning devotee, someone who's just, just starting out like an infant, trying to stand up and Walk. We met the sannyasis. Sannyas is the renounced order of life. We went onto the bus, we saw the deities, and we met these two wonderful servants of rla Prabhupada. And again, to show how neophyte we were, they mentioned something about needing flowers for the deities. So being the arrogant punks that we were, the next morning when we went back to see them, on the way we passed by a cemetery. And the cemetery, it must have been someone really important because the cemetery had huge, amazing arrangements of flowers. Big flowers, small flowers, colorful. So we thought, oh, Krishna needs flowers. So we pulled over the van and we loaded up all the flowers, thinking, oh, this person's dead. They can't appreciate these flowers, but Krishna will. So we load up the van, and when I say we load up the van, the van was full, full with flower arrangements. And we go, and we're so proud of ourselves. We're thinking, go, Swami Tamakrishna Goswami, Vishnu John Swami. They're going to be so happy to see how sincere these young boys are that they're coming with all these flowers. And Tamalakrishnamar, I said, so, Dr. Phil, you're a college student and yes, Maharaj, and you're not working right. No manners, just going to school. Where did you get the money to buy these flowers? I I, I first thought was to lie and say that I bought them. But he knew by looking at these flowers, it had to be thousands and thousands of dollars of flowers. And I told him what we did, and he chastised me. He said, devotees don't steal. He said, first of all, none of these flowers are useful because they've been offered at a cemetery for a dead body. He said, secondly, we never take property that belongs to someone else. And at that point, our pride and our happiness and everything, like a balloon with the air being let out. And that was a big lesson for us. So needless to say, at that point we understood a lot more about what the character of a devotee is. So during this time, and it was a matter of two or three days maybe, that the sannyasis were there. And this, if I'm not mistaken, was in preparation or it was after the Rath Yatra, I'm not 100% sure at the time, timing, but they got to know us and they knew that there are a couple crazy kids in South Philadelphia that were coming to the temple and were getting more and more involved. So I had one boy who I grew up with from the time I was little, little, you know, Infant. And I told him, I'd like to take you to the temple. He was very reluctant, and he went with me. And he was mortified, horrified. He stood with his back against the wall and wouldn't speak and wouldn't move. And when we left, he just freaked out on me. Why did you bring me here and you didn't tell me? So anyway, the reason this story is important is because some months went by and we met the Sannyasis from Radha Damodar. We were reading some of RLA Prabhupada's books, and we had planned to all go at the end of that year to Miami. Coconut Grove was the temple. Abhiram was the temple president. And we thought, we'll get four far away from where we were born and raised. Because naturally, and it may not be this way for everyone, for a lot of us, we didn't want to be surrounded by the influences that we had grown up with, because they were not very. They were not good influences. So at that time, a couple months after I brought my friend and I had met the Sannyasis, I received a phone call. And Bhaktadev, who it was at the time, my friend said, I want you to take me to Baltimore. I want to join the bus party. I said, what? You were terrified when I took you to the temple? He said, well, now, you know, I've been speaking to you, and, you know, I read a book and, you know, and I met the sannyasis. And I just. I have a really strong desire to go and to join the bus party. So I said, how could I say no? I said, of course. And again, I'm so proud of myself. Look, I made a devotee. I'm so. I'm so ka conscious. So we get in the car and we drive two and a half hours to Baltimore. And it was the Baltimore temple, and the bus party had stopped there. They would go from city to city preaching, stealing the Brahmacharis. And at that time, it was Tamal Krishna Goswami, Vishnu John Swami, and Gargamuni Maharaj. Three sannyasis are there. So they thanked me for bringing Bhakta Devishnu. John Swami said to me, bhakta Phil, go and shave his head and make him a Sikha. And I said to him, maharaj, I'm barely old enough to shave myself. I said, this. This is not a good idea. And. And we kind of laughed. And my friend said, it's okay. It'll be fine. So we went off to the bathroom or wherever, and I started to Shave his head. Well, when we came out of the bathroom, he had, you know, 10 or 12 little pieces of tissue paper stuck bleed to all the cuts that I had left in his head because, you know, I knew I wasn't old enough hardly to shave. And Vishnu John Swami looked at me and he said, bhakta Phil, you're a demon. And I said, I've been trying to tell you guys that. I've been trying to tell you that we're demonic. We're not devotee material. So at that time, after the laughing and whatever, Bhaktadeva was dressed in his dodi and his head was shaved. And ultimately he went on to become Tamal Krishna Goswami's personal servant for many years. And again, that's a whole other story. But just as I was getting ready, it was about 8, 30, 9 o' clock at night. I knew I had a two and a half hour drive ahead. And again we had already decided that we would join. Maybe we were delusional thinking that, oh, six months from now we'll join. You know, kept putting it off, putting it off. But I was heading toward the front door of the temple and over this loudspeaker I heard Bhakta fill Bhaktafil, tamal Krishna Goswami wants to see you upstairs in his office. And it was just like when I got that BTG from the devotees and put it in the garbage. I had two choices. One was to keep walking. I was maybe 10ft from the front door just to keep going. And that was my inclination, keep going. Because I knew he's going to ask me, why am I bringing this devotee and I'm not joined. Or I could turn around and I could be respectful and I can go up and see. So my better angel sent me back upstairs. At this time, the three swamis began to preach to me. And I say, preach to me. But when these three combined powerful sannyasis. Preach to you, it's more than just a happy conversation. It took three hours. And I would say things like, but I'm so much better on the outside. I'm making devotees. Look, I'm making devotees. And Goswami would say, just see, just see Vishnu John, how arrogant he is. He can't make himself a devotee, but he thinks he's making devotees. So this went on. But Maharaj, you know, I have a scholarship and I'm in college. So you can go back to college if you want. Sometimes if you don't like joining the bus party. I said, well, most importantly, I Have my childhood sweetheart. And our wedding is planned for next month, which was all true. So this was early December. I said, so all the families have been invited. The wedding's been arranged. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. How do you know that this marriage is a good idea? He said, how old are you? 18. We were 18 or 19. He said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I said, we all agreed to go to Miami and join the temple once the wedding was done. And once the. No. And Vishnu John Maharaj, they were, like, sweet and sour. Goswami was. Sour is not the right word, but, you know, one was good cop, bad cop, you know, and if you had to put them in the categories, Vishnujan Swami was the good cop. Tamal Krishna Maharash was the bad cop. He was heavy. And one by one, they're defeating my arguments. They're just crushing me. I remember I started sitting up in a lotus position. Then I went back on my elbows. Then I went back a little further before I found myself literally laying flat on the floor, staring at the ceiling, realizing I'm not getting out of here without giving an answer. So I said. He said, I want you to go home and cancel your wedding. I want you to leave college. I want you to talk, you know, tell your. He said, first, they never wanted me to leave. They just wanted me just to make a phone call and say, that's it. I'm not coming back. I said, that can't happen. I wouldn't do it to my parents. I wouldn't do it to my wife to be. I won't do it. I just won't. So if that's the answer, then that's the answer. I won't do it. Okay. What do you propose? They asked me. I said, I need two or three weeks to go and get rid of my belongings. Well, no, no, you can bring all your belongings here. I said, do you want to pay this 8 or $9,000 on this car that I just bought? Oh, no, no, never mind. Never mind. So the belongings. Okay. I said I have to somehow convince my wife to cancel the wedding. You know, and the only reason that I wouldn't come back is that she would have killed me because I, you know, can understand. I have to tell my parents. I have to talk to my professors. No, no, I think if you go, you won't come back. I said, when you made the announcement for me to come and see you, I had two choices. I could have walked right out the front door, or I could have come up and I'm here in front of you. If I give my word to you, Sannyasis, I will not break it. No, no. I've seen this before, you know. I've seen so many people say they're going to do this and do that. I said, maharaj, that's my answer. If you give me two or three weeks, I'll get these things done and I'll join the Radha Dhammadar bus party. He said, okay. What do you think, Vishnu? Jalan Maharaj I think he's sincere. Goswami, I think he's sincere. I think he'll do what he said he's going to do. And Gargamuni is just listening and he's watching. These two operate because they were smooth operators. They were expert at making devotees on behalf of RLA Prabhupda. So in order for this agreement to stick, I went back. When I left the temple, I was traumatized. I was literally traumatized, as if I'd gotten attacked by a dozen thugs or been run over by a bus. I couldn't believe that I had just agreed to quit college, cancel my wedding, leave Philadelphia, and travel with 20 different men who I'd never met on a bus to places that I had no idea where we would be going. But Vishnu John Maharaj knew I was a musician. And he said to me, he was the sweet. He said, no, you'll come with me and I'll teach you harmonium and you'll just stay with me, you know, and we'll stay on the bus and. Because the last thing in the world that I wanted was to be going out on the street and handing out magazines and books. Because I remembered back to how I felt at that time when I was younger, first time meeting, seeing the devotees. So he was smooth. I got in my car and again, it was freezing cold. 20 degrees. I couldn't drive. I couldn't even see straight. I was so shocked. And I crawled in the backseat of the car and I literally cried myself to sleep thinking, what have you done? What did you just do? You just agreed to surrender your life to Krishna. And I woke up, you know, disoriented. I wasn't sure where I was. And so forth. Drove home two and a half hours. By this time, it's maybe one or two o' clock in the morning, and my wife to be was awake. What happened to you? I said, well, you know, I took him and I shaved him up. And she. I remember stopping me. She said, you didn't. You didn't tell me you didn't? And I said I did. And she lost it. She just lost it. I told her what the arrangement was that I'd made. I told her I still wanted to marry her. But Goswami's suggestion was that she go to Miami and get trained up for six months. That I go on the bus for six months. And then he gave me his word that at the end of that six months, if I still wanted to be married, he would personally make arrangements. Which he did actually. He actually did that. Which for those of you who knew Tamal Krishna Goswami, that in and of itself is an amazing thing. So Poorna Shakti, who was my childhood sweetheart, that's her initiated name, went into the kitchen and took out a big knife and started to walk toward me with this knife and you know, I should cut your throat. How dare you embarrass me? Cancel my wedding, you know? And I remember saying, just please put it right into my heart. Because I can't even believe what I just did. And I don't blame you. I think if you kill me, it's preferable. Just please kill me now. I don't know what I did. I lost my mind. I surrendered to Krishna. So anyway, somehow or other, after much discussion and no stabbing or no physical altercations, she agreed. And one other boy, Shanky Das, who I believe has passed away since he also joined the bus party. So it was the three of us, Bhakta Dave, Bhakta Sergio and Bhakta Phil. And we joined that bus party. But the interesting thing is Tamal Krishna Maharaj had this program set up. My phone would ring at 7:00 in the morning. Haribal, back to Phil. Have you faith? Yes, Maharaj. How many rounds do you have chanted? I think four, Maharaj. Call me back when you have eight rounds done. So I struggled through these rounds. It felt like forever. When you're in a devotee, some chanting, eight rounds are done. I call back. And he would. He would call Vishnu Jan Maharaj to the phone. He would hold the phone over Vishnu Jan Maharaj's harmonium and Vishnu Jan Maharaj would chant bhajans to me, which when I think about it now is just inconceivable that these two sannyasis would take half an hour, an hour out of their day in order to keep me encouraged so that I would follow through. And, you know, I mean, they must have felt like they hit the jackpot. There were 13 of us, so those of us that joined the bus, you know, small percentage, but all the rest were still. They actually all went off to Miami and became devotees. Some stayed, some left, some are still here, some are not. But every day for two weeks, maybe two and a half weeks, Tamal Krishna Maharaj would do the same thing. How many rounds do you have done? Vishnujan Maharaj, he has eight rounds done. And Vishnu John would sing to me for 10 or 15 minutes, Jarad Hamadhava kunjabi ha. And I'd hold the phone up so anybody who was near me could hear Gopija Nabaraba. And it was wonderful and it was sweet. And at that, when that time was up, I gathered up my belongings and I drove back to the Baltimore temple and I joined the Radha Dhamidar party at the end of six months. There was much going on in ISKCON at the time. But at the end of that six months, the bus party was disbanded and we all wound up in New York. And they had just purchased a 12 story skyscraper as a temple. So we were all there. I thought temporarily, but I went to Tamal Krishna Goswami and I said, I kept my word. I traveled with you for six months. I went to Mangalorety, I chanted my rounds, I went on book distribution. I want to get married. And she kept her word. She's there, she's trained, she's been book distributing. Within days, he bought a ticket, flew her to New York and brought her to the temple. So this would have been June. On July 19, 1976, we were initiated and married. And I became went from Bhakta Phil to Prahlada Priya Das. The most important part of that being Das servant. And she became Purna Shakti, which means the whole complete energy. And that was our introduction and our beginning to devotional service. And there's so much more. But as we used to say in Bala Books, which is a children's book publishing company, that Rla Prabhupada authorized yoga, Swar Prabhu and myself to do. That's a story for another time and another place. And on behalf of all of those, all of those boys and girls who Rla Prabhupada saved through the sannyasis, persistence, you know, my utmost gratitude to all the devotees. And I'll add one more thing, one last thing. In Mayapur, when they announced, right after Rla Prabhupada's departure, they announced how ISKCON would move forward. Most of you know how that was. And they prepared a list of disciples who would initiate. I was asked by Tamal Krishna Goswami and my childhood friend Bhaktadeva, who was then Damodar, was his personal servant. He said, they want somebody to help serve prasadam, but they want devotees. They know they don't want, you know, they don't want this too much to be heard or said. And the first thing, Tamal Krishna Goswami, he stood up and he said, so this boy, Prahlada Priya Das, became a devotee on my bus. And he was my most difficult challenge. I never thought he would come back, but he did. And here he is. He's still here. And. And on one hand, it was a little embarrassing to hear, but RLA Prabhupada's mercy is so powerful that if you simply open your heart and chant the holy name with respect, with a little humility, you can't go wrong. Not everybody stays. Not everybody. We all come into this material world on different levels. And fortunately, over the last 50 years, the Ka Consciousness Movement, ISKCON has learned to meet people where they are instead of trying to bring people where they want them to be. So some people will take the Ka Consciousness like this. Others will take years. Some will never surrender. But you have to give it a chance. Hare Ka. So Mataji is asking me if I have any stories about His Holiness Jaipattaka Maharaj. Well, the first thing I'll say is that banging is really annoying. Now that the banging stopped, I'll say the banging is still annoying. If this noise interferes, we'll redo the interview. Back in 1970, I came to India for the first time. And part of that trip was to Mayapur. And when we came to Mayapur, there was one long building and one building under construction. And we slept in rooms that were, you know, 110 degrees, mosquitoes. It was heavy. It was really heavy. For me, it was heavy. And I had only been an aspiring devotee for two years. I've been initiated. But, you know, I remember thinking, I'll never come back here. This place is just too austere. The food is austere. We got sick. So many things. But prior to that time, I had met Jai Pataka Maharaj. I was fortunate. In New York, whenever the sannyasis would come, very often, they would send me off to the airport to pick them up, which meant that I got to listen to what all the news was. So I have one particularly nice story. The reason I started with the trip to Mayapur is that at that time I thought, I'll never come back here. Here we sit currently, as we do this interview in Sri Mayapur Dam. And it has become a city. It has been transformed by the potency of His Holiness Jaipataka Maharaj on behalf of rla Prabhupada. Not too long ago on Gurpanim evening, I saw Jaipataka Maharaj and I whispered in his ear. I said, maharaj, what you've done. What you've done is extraordinary on behalf of Prabhupada. Because I knew if I didn't say on behalf of Prabhupada, he might chastise me. I said, thank you. I said, you know, you've given us all shelter. I didn't have a lot of personal association with my life. We knew each other and I would pick him up. But one particular funny story back in 1978, I think it was, they came, I picked them up, they did their business at the temple. And then I was taking them back to the airport and they had just come out, Sony had just come out with a brand new little gadget that they called the Walkman. And the Walkman was so you could put cassette tapes into it and you could put your earbuds in and you can walk with it. So suddenly. And I had gotten one for my cell phone, so I had my Walkman and I was at the airport with Taikutaka Maharaj. And I said, prahlada Priya, what is this little thing here? What is this? So I said, well, Maharaj, they just came out with it and put your cassettes in and you have earbuds and you can listen and you can hear Prabhupada's lectures. That's very nice. That's very nice. And I said, I'll tell you what, if you give me your information, I'll get you one and send it to you. And he said, that's okay, Prahlada Priya, I'll just take yours. This wasn't the first or the last time that I had to deal with a senior godbrother or disciple doing that. And you know, look back now and it's a heartwarming story. You know, I was a bit taken back at the time, but I said, sure. I was thinking, I can get myself another one. But Jayanta Takumara, there's asking, how do you say no to a sannyasi? But he will go down, obviously as the longest standing sannyasi in Bodhi Vaishnav history. He will go down as a hero in the sense that his body can barely function. Yet this is all manifest. Buildings, schools, restaurants, a city. Srila Prabhupada's dream. This is all manifest by his tenacity, his sincerity. And I, for one, again, am truly grateful to have had his associate, to have his association, to have had his association in the past. And for anyone that ever visits Mayapur, once they take the dust of the dam to their head, they should take the dust of his feet to their head as well, because, of course, there's so many hundreds and thousands of devotees who participated. But he took on Srila Prabhupada's fighting spirit, didn't matter. His body, one of the most important influences in ISKCON projects for eternity, at least for the rest of Kali Yuga Hare Ka, all glories to his divine grace, Rla Prabhupada all glories to his disciples, and all glories to the disciples of their disciples who are helping to spread this movement. Thank you very much. You're welcome.