375: Recovery Super Special - How To Heal Fascia Faster, The Latest On Ibuprofen, Do Compression...

In this episode of the Ben Greenfield Fitness show, which happens to be a recovery super special, how to heal fascia faster. The latest on ibuprofen, do compression tights really work? And much, much more.

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Well, Brock, it's been quite a while.

Yeah, it has.

According to my record, you've been gallivanting the globe.

I have been gallivanting the globe. I was in deepest, darkest Peru for the last three weeks.

Was that Peru? Was it? Were. The whole time you were in Peru?

Yeah, yeah, I was in. Well, I was in Toronto for, like, four days before we went to Peru. But, yeah, the rest of the time, I mean, Peru is so diverse. Like, we were in rainforest, jungle down in the Amazon, then we were in the high Andes, then we were in the high jungle, then we were in the Colca Canyon, which is complete desert. It's like you could basically just go all around Peru and experience everything there is to offer on this planet. Pretty much. Like, they've got beaches, they've got mountains, got canyons, they've got cactus.

Wow.

They've got it all.

Is the Peru Chamber of Commerce paying you?

I should totally work for their. What are those things called? Not the Chamber of Commerce, the.

The Peruvian Tourist Board.

There we go.

The Tourist Board.

Yes. I should totally work for them, except I don't speak Spanish.

So were you there doing ayahuasca?

I did not do ayahuasca. And it's astounding how many people asked me that when they'd find out we were going to Peru.

They're like, oh, are you going to do ayahuasca?

I'm like, no. And I also go to New York and don't do heroin. Surprise.

Well, everybody and their dog goes to ayahuasca to do Peru. You know, it's very trendy, so I'm disappointed in you that you. That you didn't jump in and hook, line and sinker.

Okay, well, in all, like, full disclosure, I did go to a shaman and we did do a cleansing ceremony. Now, it didn't involve any Hallucinogens or anything like that.

But is that like colonic or anima? That kind of cleanse?

There was no pooping involved either. There's a lot of shaking of things, chanting of things, smearing some stuff on my head, facing particular directions and stuff. It was really cool. But there was no hallucinating or vomiting or diarrhea, sadly.

Well, I am actually going to do that as a thing. I think my next business, I'm going to market ayahuasca enemas and ayahuasca clonics.

I'm pretty sure that's a billion dollar idea right there. Everybody wants to shove more things up their butt and shoot more things out there. But.

News flash issues.

So, Brock, this is the part of the show where we talk all about the latest research that I've been tweeting, as I tend to do over@twitter.com BenGreenfield or on the weekly round. Do you know that every week now I'm sending out all these news flashes on the weekly roundup?

Yeah, yeah. Surprisingly, I'm on your mailing list.

Oh, that surprises me. Yeah, yeah, you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com, sign up for the newsletter. I'm sending you this. You know what else I'm doing now is I'm sending out snippets from the latest books I've read because I'm still reading a book a day. I am now, well, well into almost over 365 books a year now for 10 years. So I got a lot of books.

This practice of breaking copyright law, maybe you should try to keep that under your hat a little bit more, not tell everybody about it.

You mean when I post entire snippets and excerpts from books online?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just that illegal practice of distributing publicly other people's copyrighted material.

I think it helps out authors, honestly.

I agree. I also think torrenting is a good thing for the movie industry, but it doesn't negate the fact that it's illegal.

Yeah, I guess I'll take it down if some author wants me to, but honestly, they're little. They're little tiny snippets anyways, though, see, I'm doing like book snippets. I'm doing like, you know, new things that I'm trying. And then of course, the most popular posts that we've done and then news flashes like this. So since we're talking all about recovery today, have you seen the latest on. On ibuprofen or NSAIDs?

I. Yeah, for some reason I Actually keep my finger pretty close on the pulse of this stuff just because I used a lot of them back in the day. I think you did too. Like when we were racing really hard, I was popping NSAIDs like crazy.

I never did because they always made my stomach hurt. And it wasn't because I was aware of the liver and kidney toxicity and all the other issues that have come to light about them. I just didn't like the way they made my stomach feel. But this latest study that came out a couple of weeks ago was testing ibuprofen and non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs on muscle response to training and they found a significant attenuation. And for those of you who don't like to use big words, that means basically a significant inhibition of strength and muscle building.

Swapped a big word for a not.

Quite as big word really. Multi syllabalic means it don't work as good. Exactly.

You don't get as much good out.

Of it anyways though what they found was that after resistance training that anti inflammatory drugs had a really significant impact on an inability to be able to gain strength. And part of that may have been the same reason that everything from vitamin C to vitamin E to curcumin may cause the same thing. Right. You blunt that hormetic response to exercise and it may be that that's part of the way that these are acting. But I suspect that when you look at things like liver and kidney toxicity and the impact on things like satellite cells, that there's more going on than just a blunting of the hormetic response to exercise. And so it's apparent in the study that what they said was that there was a downregulated MRNA expression of interleukin 6. So there is definitely an impact on the inflammatory response. But ultimately what it comes down to is if you're trying to get swole or you're trying to build strength, or you're trying to get hypertrophy, then ibuprofen is not your friend. In the same way that if you're exercising in the heat especially, and you're concerned about liver or kidney toxicity or leaky gut issues or stomach damage, ibuprofen is also not your friend. So there you have it.

You know what that proves what this actually proves, that the old saying no pain, no gain is true.

It is kind of true, huh? I mean, you do have to allow soreness to settle in. That's one thing that I do. You know, we'll talk about this later on. I think we have a question about anti inflammatories or timing of anti inflammatories I believe.

Do we. I don't know. I thought somebody called one in, but.

We'Ll throw one in here.

Let me say this. Even for things like curcumin and I love like high dose curcumin, high dose cbd, some of these potent anti inflammatories, I always time them away from the workout and my favorite time to take that kind of stuff is right before. I don't know if you've ever done this Brock, right before you get deep tissue work. I learned this from the folks down at the human garage. They overdosed me on curcumin one day and also gave me some cbd. And then I had them do their really intense like teeth grittingly hard bodywork and my muscles just melted. So that's a good time to take those. Those anti inflammatories would be to. And I still wouldn't take ibuprofen because of the stomach issues. But if you're going to take some of these others right before you do deep tissue work or body work is a really good time.

But that's interesting is that sort of along the same lines as taking a bunch of niacin before doing a sauna? Like just getting all that blood into your, into your tissue.

Different mechanism of action. So for, for curcumin and for cbd it's actually more of a muscle relaxation response. Plus there's a little bit of a pain killing response as well. Nice. Here's another one. They tested these compression, what they say, compression garments, which makes it sound like one giant compression pajama, but more or less compression.

I was thinking more like a gown.

Right. A compression gown.

These compression tights, what they tested was whether or not wearing them during sleep would help you to recover in this case from high intensity exercise and from muscle fatigue. And these are things that people will sleep in sometimes. You know, sometimes I'll wear compression tights before a race after a hard workout when I really want my wife to be impressed by my sexy underoos, I'll put on my compression tights. Actually no, you don't want to use compression tights in any type of sexy romantic situation because they, they inhibit your ability to get it up, shall we say?

Pretty significant, the opposite of what you're.

A little bit painful. Yeah. Anyways though, what they found was that when folks wore these compression tights during a night of sleep, it actually did promote what's called localized muscle fatigue recovery, meaning the Removal of a lot of inflammatory byproducts out of muscle tissue. Now, what it did not do was improve. And this seemed like a no brainer to me, but they still cited it in the article. There wasn't a difference in neurological recovery. And what that means is that with weight training or any other form of training, you know, musculoskeletal fatigue is pretty easy to figure out. You're sore, the muscles kind of hurt, you get this delayed onset muscle soreness, and that subsides after typically one to two days. And it turns out that compression tights, when you wear them to bed, especially for the legs, can help that to occur even more quickly. But with neural fatigue, you can exhaust the central nervous system, the local nerves, or what are called the neuromuscular junctions, and then a lot of neurotransmitters and hormones like dopamine and serotonin and epinephrine and cortisol, all of these can tend to get depleted as well. And that's the definition of neurological fatigue. And typically, neurological fatigue takes longer to recover from. This is why I'm a huge fan of heart rate variability training. Because heart rate variability training, or HRV training, or HRV testing, allows you to see if you really, truly are recovered, even if your muscles aren't sore anymore. And so it allows you to keep your finger on the pulse of not just what's called musculoskeletal fatigue, but also neuromuscular fatigue or neurological fatigue. So the idea here is that even if the compression garments help your muscles to feel a little bit better the next day, you should still pay attention to neurological fatigue too, because it doesn't mean it's affecting your nervous system much at all. And training through neurological fatigue, or what's often called in exercise science, CNS drain, central nervous system, system drain. That's when you tend to see things like over training set in, or immune system deficits, or getting sick or getting injured. When athletes feel like they're not sore anymore, but they still push and they're still neurologically fatigued. That's why I'm a fan of, you know, some of these more advanced methods of tracking recovery.

Okay, but speaking of advanced methods, what if. Let me just put this to you. What if you took a pair of compression socks, you tied them really tightly around your head? Would that help?

Yeah, you mean for, for like your brain? I'm pretty sure, yeah. You go first.

Okay.

All right.

I do. I do have a really tight toque.

I could use too. Yeah. Jack up that compression Compression toque.

Oh, there's a billion dollar idea, too. We're full today.

Yeah, it's right up there with my ayahuasca enemas. This is kind of sort of related to recovery, but it's these brand new color changing tattoos that monitor your blood glucose. Do you see this?

Yeah.

So basically what they're doing now is they're using what are called biosensitive inks, designed at places like Harvard and mit and they interact with the bodies and interstitial fluid. That's the fluid that transfers nutrients into cells and carries waste out of cells. And this fluid can act as an indicator of the chemical concentrations in the blood, of things like blood glucose. So there's this new blood glucose tattoo that they're using that will change from green to brown when your blood glucose goes up. There's another one they have that'll track your sodium concentration and prevent you from getting theoretically dehydrated by turning brighter green when you have more sodium in your bloodstream, which would indicate dehydration, you know, a drop in water, an increase in solutes in the blood. But it's really interesting. These tattoos will actually indicate something like blood glucose. And I think this is cool because, you know, they do have things like these continuous blood glucose monitors. And obviously it's not that hard to go to Walgreens and get like little accu check blood glucose meter to test your blood glucose at any given point. But I talked about this when I spoke recently at the Wesley Price conference a few days ago actually, over in Minneapolis. This idea that glycemic variability, it's called glycemic variability, those are just daily swings in your blood glucose levels that tends to be extremely highly correlated to obesity, to overweight, to chronic disease, and even to longevity, Meaning how many, what are called intraday glycemic excursions that you experience, whether that be hyperglycemia from starches and sugars, whether it be hypoglycemia from the insulin rebound type of effect that might occur from those foods. Basically, this concept of glycemic variability and management of glycemic variability via everything from, you know, constantly moving after meals, to using some of the things we've talked about before on this show before, like Ceylon cinnamon and apple cider vinegar to. To engaging in what's known as the first phase insulin response, meaning that you chew your food really well or you use bitters before a meal to enhance your blood glucose response to a meal. Basically all of those strategies are extremely important, not just for lowering your risk of diabetes, but for longevity and overall reduction of chronic disease risk. And these tattoos might be a really good way to see if you're. If you're doing that well. Plus, they're sexy as hell.

So you're saying that the blood sugar roller coaster is not a fun ride that you want to be on?

Probably not. No. Not a fun ride at all.

You know, the only problem with these tattoos is I'm afraid if I had one, I'd, like, eat a whole bunch of donuts just to change the color of the tattoo to match my outfit.

Mm, yeah, that's true. That's true. You can. You could biohack your tattoos to match your fashion.

Yeah, it's like, oh, this doesn't match my. My pants. So, yeah, pound some. Pound some sugar.

Exactly. Just like a chameleon.

Exactly. Colors a diabetic chameleon.

Hey, here's one more. This. This idea. Oh, I did want to mention one other thing. When it comes to this glycemic variability, do it. I just helped Wellness fx, there's this blood testing platform, come out with a new anti aging test, and we included glucose on that test, but then we also included another highly related corollary, IGF1. And so what this test tests for, and I just went to the lab and did it myself. You test all of these different biomarkers that have been associated with aging, and they are red blood cell magnesium. You can write these down or go to the show notes if you want to know what to test. If you wanted to see if you were doing a good job with your anti aging protocol. So red blood cell magnesium, estradiol, high sensitive C reactive protein, also known as hscrp, marker of inflammation, a full lipid panel, testosterone and free testosterone, IGF1, insulin, omega 3 fatty acids, and a complete blood count. Like, if you could test anything other than just your telomere length, those would be the biggies. And so I approached Wellness FX a few weeks ago, and I said, hey, look, why don't you guys just have a panel that will only test these biomarkers associated with aging? And lo and behold, they designed the panel. So it's called the Greenfield anti aging panel. I can put a link to it in the show notes.

And it's only $4.99 right now.

It's actually even less than that. It's like 300 bucks. So. Yeah.

Oh, I meant $4.99.

Oh, yes. Yeah. No, it's a little more than $4.99.

Yeah. As I expected, those Are not inexpensive tests. If you get them all separately, that's for sure. So actually under 300 bucks is pretty amazing.

Yeah. So bundled you actually it's a pretty good deal, so everybody loves a bundle. One other study I wanted to mention was that, you know, a lot of people will say that our ancestors never took supplements, so we shouldn't take supplements.

Yeah, idiots say that.

Yeah, idiots. Anyways, they had this story that came out in Discover magazine about how Neanderthals. It's entitled Ailing Neanderthals used penicillin and aspirin. And what they found, this international team from University of Adelaide in Australia, they analyzed DNA from these different Neanderthals and specifically analyzed DNA from their teeth. And they found that these Neanderthals were surviving on interesting things like woolly rhinoceros and wild sheep and wild mushroom and pine nuts and moss and mushrooms and tea bark. But then they also found that one of them, who they somehow determined was a sick Neanderthal. I'm not sure how you do that with DNA analysis, but they have a way of looking at the bacteria and seeing if they're sick or not. They found that this dude was eating a steady diet of poplar, which is a tree that has the natural painkiller salicylic acid in it. And that's the active ingredient, aspirin, of course.

Acetylsalic, silic acid.

No, salicylic acid. Yeah, this guy was also. It might be acetylsalicylic acid, but yeah, that's a rabbit hole.

We're getting hung up on that.

Nevermind, I don't want to get in an argument about that. The other thing was that he was eating these plants that were covered in penicillium mold, which generate the antibiotic penicillin. So what they're hypothesizing is that he was suffering from a dental abscess. And because he was suffering from that, he knew to dose with penicillin, mold and salicylic acid and everything from essential oils to things that folks would prepare and mortar and pestle, wild nettle and nettle seed and all manner of different ancient medicines were really just the equivalent, in my opinion, of modern supplementation. And what I find even more fascinating is we see animals doing this too. Have you seen about these animals that self medicate?

Yeah, yeah. The dolphins that get high and.

Well, yeah, I mean, not just psychotropic, you know, not just party animals, but literal party animals. For example, like baboons eat the leaves of this specific plant. That combats a Flatworms. When they get flatworms or one of the other things that you'll see is there's, there's like lemurs in Madagascar that they've studied that will nibble on things that increase milk production like tamarind leaves and fig leaves. They've got pregnant elephants in Kenya have those leaves of this, this tree that they will eat to induce delivery and to cause uterine contractions. And of course there's a whole bunch of different animals that, that self medicate, like bears and deer and elk and different carnivores, a lot of them for parasites by the way. They actually animals somehow intuitively know which leaves and which plants will help to get rid of parasites. That's a big one. You see ants self medicating with. But there's a lot of interesting studies on self medication in animals and it goes above and beyond. Just like I think what do they talk about that in the book Stealing Fire? I think about how animals get high. Yeah, so, so animals don't just get high, but they also will self medicate. So I think it's fascinating this, this idea that, you know, ancient man and also modern animals tap into nature as a form of self medication. Yeah. It's not encapsulation, it's not tablets or pills or powders. But it's very interesting. And that's, that's my response to people, you know, when people say you don't need supplements. Nobody, nobody used to take supplements. Well, they kind of did. We just have a more convenient mechanism of delivery now. In my opinion.

In your face, Alexander Fleming.

In your face.

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Ooh, I did. I'm excited.

I tweeted about it. I'm probably gonna go. So Wim, Hof and me and a group of other folks, possibly you, if you're listening in, we're gonna go climb Mount Kilimanjaro. Which is, I mean, yeah, people die climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, but it's because they're, they're stupid. Wim's done this three times. I mean, that's stupid or unlucky or. Yeah, anyways.

Or pigheaded. I think most people die on those kind of trips because they're.

I don't want to sound insensitive, but I think the reason that a lot of people Die. From what I understand, it's altitude sickness and lack of proper preparation, so.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, in altitude sicknesses, they say that altitude affects you when your attitude is wrong. And it's like when you push through it instead of being smart and being like, you know what? I just need a few days to adjust.

Yeah, you need the right altitude attitude anyways, though, Wim Hof, me and a group of lucky folks again, possibly you. If you're listening in, we're gonna go climb Mount Kilimanjaro in our shorts. So there you have it. With no oxygen, what else would you wear? Exactly. Shorts and no oxygen. It's not that hard, but, I mean, it's a little bit of a challenge. And we're gonna be followed by documentary filmmakers. I believe Dominique d' Agostino might be going to test people, you know, with regards to, like, ketosis and oxy deficits. Rumor has it a couple of celebs might be joining in, like Jim Carrey and Chris Hemsworth. And so that's crazy. Yeah, you can go. Go climb Mount Kilimanjaro with Thor and the Grinch.

The Grinch. That's what he wants to be known for.

So it's 5,000 bucks to. To get in on this. I think they're looking for, like, some corporate sponsors, too, but the website is tippingpointsummit.org tipping pointsummit.org I'll put a link to that in the show notes, too. If you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com 375 and you want to get in on the. The Kilimanjaro climb, then go check it out. Tipping Point. What did you say?

$5,000?

It's $5,000 to, like, register and actually go on the climb. But then I think they're also looking for sponsors, like, you know, title sponsors and stuff like that to promote on the documentary and to promote through all the media that's happening for the event. Cool. And they're also raising money for charity. It's raising money for the St. Jude's Children's Hospital. All right, there you have it. So check that out. And then this podcast is brought to you by a few really cool things. The first is something that I literally just had my ears this morning when I was drinking my smoothie and my smoothie this morning, by the way, for any of you who are curious, was bone broth with ice, a little bit of used a vanilla whey protein powder to get a little bit of extra glutathione. Because I've been Traveling. And then I blended all that up, and I put a little vitamin C in from some lemon juice to enhance the collagen absorption from the bone broth. And then put in some coconut flakes, a little bit of spirulina, and a few cacao nibs. And suck that bad boy down. So that was my. That's my brekkie. What'd you have for breakfast?

I actually had a big mush of stuff like that, too. I had some collagen protein mixed with some yogurt with some coconut flakes, chia seeds, flax, ground up flax seeds and also throw in there. Oh, and some avocado.

Amazing. Sounds delicious.

So it's just a big pile of mush. And I actually thought about while I was eating it, I was like, oh, man, Katie Bowman would be so disappointed in me because it wasn't chewy. I wasn't working my mandibles.

Yeah. Speaking of that first phase insulin response. That's why I always save all the chewy stuff for the very end. After I'm done blending, then I put it in. Then you chew on your smoothie. Yeah.

And if anybody doesn't know what we're talking about, what do they say?

Chew your liquids, swallow your solids. Something like that.

Who says that?

I think I totally messed that up.

Nobody says that.

That's crazy, doc. No, it's, drink your solids, chew your liquids. I'm pretty sure that's the phrase. Yeah. Oh, no, seriously, look it up. Pretty sure.

That's because that sounds like crazy talk.

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That's a new code?

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No. They invented the Internet after I was long in a relationship, so.

Yeah, me too. I've been married for 14 years. I never got a chance to use any of these dating websites except amihotornot.com. remember that one?

I do remember that one.

Ye.

That was not a good idea.

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No, we're not allowed to say that. They might get mad at us. Plus we'd never get our podcast sponsored by Tinder. I'm just saying.

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I have absolutely no idea.

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Afraid not. No, I don't think I qualify.

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You know what's ironic is my human charger currently needs to be charged. Otherwise I would have used it this morning.

Yeah. All right, a few quick things for those of you listening in. I'm headed to San Francisco this weekend, the weekend that you're listening to this podcast episode to race tonight, the San Francisco Spartan Race on Saturday. Be sure to come by and say hi, especially if you're racing. I'll be there along with my twin boys. And then November 28th and 29th, I'll be in New York City. The Evening of the 28th, I'll be speaking at the Alchemist Kitchen in New York City. And the Evening of the 29th, I'll be speaking with doctor or chef? Not doctor, he's a chef. I get the two mixed up because they both wear white coats. Chef David Boulay. Amazing. Like a French Japanese fusion cuisine chef. So I'll be speaking in November then, and traveling all over the world at some other events. The XPT experience in Kauai, Hawaii. December 7th through the 12th, they'll be in Hawaii. And then December 11th through the 23rd, I'll be speaking at a yoga retreat down in Panama. And then finally I'll arrive home in time for Christmas and my birthday. So there you have it. I'll put a link to all that stuff over@BenGreenfield Fitness.com 375 in addition to all the other upcoming events.

Listener Q and A.

Hi, Ben, My question is, what would you what would.

You recommend for injury of fascia or fascia? I don't know.

Would you recommend peptides.

Or something like MK677? Thank you. You know how I like to think of fascia, Brock? How? Like a giant stocking of your whole body. Big stocking. And it actually is kind of like that.

A gooey, sticky stocking.

A gooey sticky stocking. I used to dissect cadavers when I was at University of Idaho I was the guy in charge of dissecting the cadavers that would come into the anatomy and physiology lab. And fascia is very, very interesting stuff. So basically, fascia will surround the muscles, but then dive deep into all of the musculature. It almost looks like a honeycomb from the inside out, or the way that I like to think of it is, have you ever looked at a wedge of an orange and all the individually little wrapped pods that open up when you open an orange the right way? Yeah. So fascia is a little bit like that. It connects muscle to bone. So tendons are actually considered to be a part of the fascial system. And then bone to bone, ligaments are also part of the fascial system. And it has slings around all the different organ structures inside your gut. It cushions your vertebrae. So technically, discs are considered to be part of the fascial system. It wraps around the bones, which a lot of people don't realize. So fascia is very interesting, and it's so prevalent around the human body, and that that's one of the reasons it's been overlooked for a really long time. You know, it was thought for a long time it was just like these little packing peanuts in between all of your soft tissue.

And it's really a lot more advanced than that. I mean, if you listen to my interview with the Human Garage, we talk about how a lot of communication within the body, in between the joints and the muscles in the brain, occurs via the fascia. So to understand how you can get fascia to recover more quickly, you have to understand a few things about fascia. First of all, it's what's called a tensional fluid system. And what that means is that I think we did talk about this with Katie Bowman, is that fascia that's juicy, that's well hydrated, that, you know, you think of your fascia like a sponge, right? When your sponge dries out, it's very brittle and hard and gets kind of crispy. But then when the sponge is wet and well hydrated, it's springy and it's resilient. And you can, like, you know, curl it into a little ball, and it'll bounce back and you can wring it and you can twist it, but it's hard to break. And fascia is very similar. And so one of the things that's super important is to keep fascia well hydrated. And it comes down to more than just drinking water, because when we're talking about fascia, the way that it can become brittle or the way that you can get a greater risk for erosion or tear or rupture. Drinking water is one thing, but it has to actually reach the tissue. It has to reach the fascia. So to be able to get the tissue hydrated, or what we would call irrigated, because they're actually these little micro vacuoles that feed into all of your fascia, you have to combine adequate hydration with adequate amount of myofascial work. You know, that, that's why every single morning, you know, when I get up, especially the older I get, I make love to everything from the, you know, the, the double peanut lacrosse ball thing to the foam roller, to the, you know, to that evil thing from, from rogue fitness called the Battle Star to, to like vibrating tools like the Hypersphere or the, the Viper, which are like vibrating foam rollers. I have all these different methods, but so I, I get up in the morning and I have two enormous glasses of water chock full of minerals. And then one of the very first things I do while the coffee or the tea is on is I work on my fascia. So remember, it's not just about drinking water, but it's about working the fascia so that you're untangling a lot of the gluey bits and getting hydration into the actual fascia. So that's one thing to think about is hydration. Movement can also help out quite a bit with getting hydration into the fascia. And that's why I'm a huge fan of active recovery as well and moving in a lot of different positions and at different angles. So that can help out quite a bit. So I know some of this stuff is pretty intuitive, but these are the things that a lot of people don't think about. Another thing that can help to add a little bit of juiciness to the fascia is springiness. So when your tissue is able to retain its natural spring, the rebounding effect of the fascia helps you again, to get more hydration into the fascia. So doing things that involve bouncy movements and that could be like the, the Tai Chi or the, or the Qigong type of shaking protocol a lot of people do in the morning. Like I learned this one from Commander Mark Devine, where you just stand and you kind of shake your whole body for about five minutes every morning. Jumping on a mini trampoline, jumping rope, box jumps. Kettlebells are technically a really good form. Like a kettlebell swing is a perfect form of kind of like a, a springing type of Action that's, that's very nourishing for the elastic qualities of the fascia. So that would be, you know, a good way to start the morning would be get up, you hydrate, you do the deep tissue work, and then you do something springy, right, like shaking or like mini trampoline or kettlebell swings or anything that basically increases the health of the fascia from a springiness standpoint. The other thing to understand is that fascia is a very rich sensory organ. It's one of the richest sensory organs. It has about six to 10 times the higher quantity of nerve receptors than your muscles have. And because it's so reliant upon proprioception, not only do you want to keep it hydrated, and not only do you want to keep it springy, but you want to improve proprioception by engaging in balancing type of motions so that you're constantly kind of like keeping the fascia awake, so to speak. So this would be like single leg balance drills, single leg squats, you know, single arm type of drills. A lot of yoga moves rely upon quite a bit of balance. One of my favorite ways, and this is actually what I did this morning for my workout, was these core foundation routines by this guy named Dr. Eric Goodman. And he's got these different routines where you elongate and you stretch and you do what's called decompression, but it's like self decompression. And that's a great way to introduce more hydration into a joint. So for example, you would stand, this is one I was doing this morning. You stand with your feet wide and you kind of drive your heels into the ground and then you push your butt out away behind you and you reach really, really long with your hands out in front of you and you just take anywhere from five to 10 deep breaths in that position, decompressing the spine as you breathe. So that's a perfect example of something you could do to work on both balance as well as like this decompressive or, or tractioning effect that again, introduces more hydration into a joint. So those would be a few of the things that come to mind for the fascia that are just like simple things you can do. They don't involve like injecting peptides or anything like that, but that are just basic day to day habits that will help the fascia stay supple and stay hydrated and keep adhesions from forming. Of course, because you're doing the deep tissue work as well.

Stretching is, in my opinion, stretching is not as important as some of these other recommendations that I've given, just because the fascia can withstand up to 2,000 pounds of pressure per square inch. So if it's tight. If it's tight, you're not going to be able to just stretch your way into healthy fascia. I'm a bigger fan of, you know, a lot of the bouncy, springy type of motions where you. You're taking advantage of. Of momentum along with hydration and some of these deep tissue work. Kelly Starrett's book, Becoming a Supple Leopard, goes into this idea of holding areas of tension with sustained pressure, sometimes for three to five minutes. That's how long it takes. So understand that, you know, even though you see in a lot of these instructional videos, you know, people will foam roll over an area like 10 times, and then just. Just move on to the next area. Sometimes you need to find a spot where there's tension in fascia, pin it, and work that for a good three to five minutes. So I would check out Kelly Starrett's book, Becoming a Supple Leopard, too. And that's actually. I mean, this is just like a perfect kind of speak of the devil type of thing, is that when I woke up this morning, my psoas and my iliacus were a little tight. So I have Kelly's book. Hi, Kelly, by the way. I think Kelly's gonna come out that San Francisco Spartan as well. So I have Kelly's book out in the same kind of bin that I keep all my deep tissue work in. And I just flipped open. It's like a cookbook, right, for your fascia. So I flipped open to the iliaca psoas section, and he had a really good one in there where you take a lacrosse ball and you lay on your back with your legs up on a couch, and you pin that lacrosse ball into your psoas with a kettlebell. And then while holding the kettlebell against the lacrosse ball on your hips, you kind of move your leg in circles and up and down and back and forth. It's called flossing the psoas, right? So I flossed my psoas on the right side, and I flossed my psoas on the left side. And I kind of worked my way up to the iliacus. And then after that, I stood up and I went through Dr. Eric Goodman's core foundation routine. So, like, this morning was a perfect example of me caring for my fascia. And of course, like I mentioned before, I did That I had two big glasses of water with minerals. So it's a lot of those simple things. Those are things I recommend before you go out and frickin buy peptides or BPC157 or TB500 or any of these kind of molecules that are supposed to help to heal muscles faster. Honestly, I'm a bigger fan of starting with the simple things for both taking care of your fascia as well as recovering from a fascial injury. Now, that being said, I will give you two perfect examples of how you could use something like peptides and other techniques. So I have a little bit of a hamstring issue going on right now.

Geez, you're falling apart, man.

Well, I'm always doing things to my body. I live life to the fullest. Brock anyways though. So right now while you and I are talking, I am using what's called pemf. And I'll talk about this a little bit later on in the show when I talk about recovery. But more or less, PEMF increases circulation.

To muscle tissue, but it also activates mitochondria, this specific process called myosin phosphorylation. That's the process of energy production in your muscle. And phosphorylation produces ATP. When a muscle or fascial area is depleted of ATP, it becomes a little bit weak and a little bit unresponsive. And when PEMF does that, it also increases blood flow to an area, so it can accelerate tissue healing pretty dramatically. And because I have this little hamstring issue going on, and this was just from doing box jumps and maybe going a little bit too heavy on the kettlebell swings I did when I woke up this morning, a little injection of what's called BPC157. Very simple to order online. And I just did a subcutaneous injection of that into the upper right hamstring. So I laid down on the floor while my kids were getting ready for school and the dog was running around me and I shoved a needle up into my butt and did my BPC157. And now while you and I are talking, literally right now I'm wearing compression shorts. But tucked into those compression shorts, I've got this little device called a flex bolt, which is a PEMF device. And I have it set at a frequency that actually heals muscle more quickly. It's a 100Hz frequency. Underneath that frequency I have magnesium lotion. So the frequency from the flex pulse is kind of driving the magnesium lotion a little Bit deeper into the tissue. But that's a perfect example of kind of like a little bit more of a biohacking approach to something like a fascial injury. But I don't want to underemphasize the fact that you should go with, with a lot of those basics before you start to do things like PEMF and injections and magnesium lotions and, you know, things along those lines. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah. I actually would consider the magnesium lotion to be one of the more basic ones, but. But definitely, yeah, that's, that's good stuff. And actually a lot of surprises in there. I didn't think you were gonna go where you went. That's awesome.

Yeah, there you go. And, and by the way, the PMF is good. Another, another thing you could use to drive.

Something like a topical, right? Whether it's a topical CBD or topical magnesium or topical anti inflammatory in the muscle would be electrical muscle stimulation. Be sure that if you do that, don't use one of these TENS units, which just deadens nerves and covers up pain. And be careful. Even with some of the stronger units, they have their time and place for strength and power and things like that. But I use the Mark Pro for injuries. It's an electrical muscle stimulation device called the Mark Pro because it uses what's called a dynamic decaying waveform. And all that means is it grabs some of your slow twitch muscle before it recruits any fast twitch muscle. It's a little bit more of a therapeutic way to heal a muscle. So if you weren't going to do PEMF and you were going to do what's called electrical muscle stimulation, you'd use this dynamic decaying waveform. But ultimately those are some of my biggies. Hydrate, do some, do some bounciness, swinging, springy type of stuff, do your deep tissue work, do your tractioning or your decompression type of work and then look into some of these things like injectable BPC157 or the other close cousin of that called TB500, which are just healing peptides that act kind of similarly to stem cells, except you can inject them yourself. Look into like pulsed electromagnetic field therapy or electrical muscle stimulation or both if an area is injured. And then if you want to kind of drive a topical deeper into the tissue, put a topical like magnesium lotion on before you use something like that. And those would be some of the biggies that come to mind.

Okay, so our next question, and this is because we actually called out on Facebook for specific questions about recovery. So not all of our questions not like normal. Not all of our questions are actually audio questions. I actually have to do some. Some reading now. Think I can handle it.

Are the words very large with colorful pictures? Because if so, probably. If not, highly doubtful.

She totally wrote a pop up book for me, so no problem. All right.

You got this, Brock.

Okay. Okay. Jen says, how far down into the red do you allow yourself to go with hrv? As a cyclist, I follow my coaches periodization training program. Weekly, monthly, seasonally. She races a bunch of crits, mostly on weekends. So often I will find a hard week of workouts where I don't fully recover, but then it'll be followed by a lighter week where I may be recovered for the entire week. I don't like to see falling into or I don't like to see that I'm only 21 or 25% recovered. And I worry that I'm doing some damage. I don't get sick, but I do feel extreme fatigue sometimes, which requires extra recovery methods. I guess I always wonder if this is making me a better athlete or just increasing the need to recover, if you know what I mean.

You sounded just like it, Jen. Yeah, I closed my eyes.

Could have swore I put on a wig. That was the difference.

Here's what a lot of people misunderstand when it comes to doing something like tracking your heart rate variability or wanting to feel recovered all the time. The fact is that a high heart rate variability is not always a good thing. And if you're looking for greater training adaptations when it comes to tracking something like hrv, which I do believe is one of the best ways to track your readiness to train or your recovery. And I use multiple methods for that. I wear a ring that spits out a readiness score for me every morning. This ring called the Oura ring. And then I also use the app called the Nature Beat app to see whether it's sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system fatigue that might be causing a lower hrv. So I can kind of train intelligently that day. If my sympathetic nervous system is beat up, I might still be able to go out and handle a swim or a bike ride or a run. And if my parasympathetic nervous system is beat up, vice versa, and if both are beat up, then that might be a, you know, Game of Thrones day or, you know, hang out with the kids playing Legos day.

Wait, what do you mean by Game of Thrones day? That sounds ominous.

Yeah, exactly. So I've run around naked in the backyard with my, with my broadsword. Anyways, though, so the idea though is that if the HRV is low, sometimes there might be a reason that it's low whether you're working with a coach or whether you're training yourself. And the reason for that is because training with, with a high intensity or high volume when your HRV has dropped low can basically put you into a state of slight overreaching. And in many cases that is a good thing if you're able to bounce back for that. It's called overload training. And one of the most common responses to overload training is a progressive decrease in hrv. It's the typical alarm response to a stressor. Usually it's the sympathetic arm of the autonomic nervous system that's gonna get activated in response to that chronic stress. Your resting heart rate goes up and your HRV goes down. And that's why a very intense day of training could result in a suppressed HRV like I mentioned earlier, due to neurological fatigue for a good three or four days after a hard workout. That's why you can't just listen to muscle soreness and why you need to track something like your nervous system recovery, but you can actually stay in that state for a while. For example, there was one study that they did on decreased HRV in response to overload training, right? Like training when your HRV is still low, and this was in runners, and they spent a good three weeks in an overload period of low HRV with continual training. And then on the fourth week, what they did was they reduced the training load and they did what's called a tank taper. The HRV went up. And not only did it go up, but it exceeded the original baseline values. And the athletes saw a significant rise in aerobic fitness by overloading and then detraining the body or allowing for a little bit of a taper. And there's a physiological reason for this idea, and it really is a process of what's called periodization, where you train hard, you have certain times of the year or times of the week where you overtrain, or what would be more appropriately called overreach, and then you super compensate, meaning that you allow yourself to get adequate recovery to recover from a workload your body was previously not suited to withstand. And that allows you to see almost like a stair stepping increase in your fitness. Now when you overreach or when you let your HRV go low and you continue to train through that again for up to three weeks, you can do this as long as you're being careful that you're not over training and you're simply overreaching. And that's where, you know, working with a coach or personal trainer to make sure that you're not crossing over into the realm of overtraining, that's a tricky fine line. It is. It's a tricky fine line. That's where you need to work with a professional like us. I say so myself. Work a work. When you taper some of the things that happen, once you've actually dug yourself deep in that hole, you get a big increase in mitochondrial density and what's called mitochondrial proliferation. Big increase in capillarization or blood flow to a muscle area. Big increase in enzymatic activity related especially to aerobic fitness, which is related to, again, mitochondrial density, capillarization, oxygen delivery to muscle tissue, et cetera. All of these take place when you give yourself permission to sometimes train through fatigue or sometimes train with a high hrv. Now, I'm often asked, well, as I just alluded to, how hard is too hard? How do you know that you're not getting into overtraining territory? And in a case like that, typically what we see with overtraining, as opposed to overreaching, is a very significant drop in libido, a very significant drop in the testosterone to cortisol ratios. If you were doing blood testing, a significant increase in muscle soreness accompanied with things like a loss of weight, decreased what's called a profile of mood state score, a lot of variables that go above and beyond just kind of feeling tired and stiff and instead feel more like you're getting sick. I know that that's kind of more of a qualitative approach, but if we were looking at this with heart rate variability, for example, some of the things that I look for, like in a healthy, robust athlete, if I see both the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system values dropping from like the thousands in to the hundreds, that would be one example. Or if I see a very significant drop in weight, or if I see a resting heart rate go up at rest by more than about five beats, those are all signs that you're kind of delving into that over training versus the overreaching category, at which point you really would want to rest and nip things in the bud. But super compensation is definitely a reason to train, even sometimes when you are fatigued and to not worry that much. If you have fatigue sometimes and you want to push through that fatigue to get yourself to the point where you can stair step down. A typical scenario would be something like that three week on, four week or three week on, one week off scenario where you train hard for three weeks and even if it gets tough at some point, you keep telling yourself you're going to get that one week off. And I personally use more of an organic approach. I'll look at the calendar, I'll see where I'm going to be traveling and doing intense travel where I wouldn't be able to train as hard. I'll train really hard leading up to that travel level and then super compensate and recover when I've got my ass on an airplane for the next 12 hours and then I'm sitting in a conference room for the day and I have a lot less of a chance to work out. So you can do it organically, you can do it systematically, but ultimately I wouldn't worry too much about your body being 100% ready every single day of the week because that's not really how you increase fitness.

Yeah, it's a hard thing for especially new athletes to wrap their head around sometimes is that fitness isn't a linear, linear line. Like it doesn't. You don't just feel stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger and then boom, race day happens and you're done. It's really a much more of a roller coaster.

Yep, exactly. So there you go, roller coaster. Or as we say down here in the US a stair stepping effect.

What is the difference between pill amino acids, powder amino acids, and naturally taken in by your body amino acids like food? Well, I guess the, the first thing is that food looks a lot better on Instagram and in food porn photos compared to a pile of powder and tablets.

That's one aspect, yes.

So if you want more likes, go with real food in terms of recovery benefits. You know, just backing up here in terms of amino acids, you know, there, there are eight essential amino acids that your body needs and that your body can't necessarily make itself. And I actually, if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com, i don't have time to get into the whole article, but I just published a 3,000 plus word article on the difference between essential amino acids and branched chain amino acids and why anybody who's engaged in anything from ketosis to intermittent fasting to looking for increased muscle, to being injured and wanting better recovery should definitely have either an essential amino acids tablet or an essential amino acids powder versus just steak or chicken or fish or egg or something like that as a part of their Recovery protocol. And even though the whole article, we take a deep dive into issues with branched chain amino acids, which range from hyperglycemia and insulin resistance to a deleterious effect on serotonin levels, to a depletion of B vitamins versus essential amino acids, which cause far fewer of those effects and have a lot more benefits. One of the things we talk about is this idea of amino acid utilization, amino acid utilization. And that's how much of the actual amino acids, as the phrase implies, are actually available from the source that you're using to get those amino acids building blocks for everything from neurotransmitters to muscles. Now, at the very low, low end of the spectrum are indeed branched chain amino acids. Only about 1% of the amino acid content of a BCAA is utilized by your body. So 99% of a branched chain amino acid is just nitrogenous waste. That's why I am not a big fan. I mean, I experimented with them for a while. If you go, I think it was actually Peter Attia and I were talking about this back in the day when we were discussing my ironman training protocol, and he suggested branched chain amino acids for my ironman training in ketosis. And they helped but didn't hold a candle to essential amino acids. And part of that is due to that amino acid utilization issue. Yeah, they're less expensive, but they're also a huge, huge amount of them just results in nitrogenous waste that your body has to process and then eliminate. So there's even a little bit of a load on the kidneys.

Nitrogenous waste.

Nitrogenous waste.

That's my new band name.

It's a good, good band name. Yeah. Could probably start some kind of a garbage truck pickup service based on perhaps waste pickup whey and soy proteins that is about 18% or so absorbed when it comes to amino acid utilization. You can get that up a little bit if you take digestive enzymes when you consume your whey powder or your soy powder or any like, vegan protein powder. But there's still a pretty crappy amount that's actually utilized by the body compared to some of these other options, because you see foods like meat and fish and poultry, those do a lot better, almost twice as well as protein powder when it comes to amino acid utilization. Those are about 32% absorbed. You still get well over 60%, just basically excreted as nitrogenous waste. However, eggs are pretty high. Eggs are nearly 50% utilization. So if we were looking at nature's perfect protein for. From a food source with as little waste as possible. An egg would be at the top of the list. It's also a little bit easier to digest for a lot of people compared to meat and poultry and fish, even though some people do have allergenic issues to eggs. And then if you look at essential amino acids, even though there are almost zero calories in an essential amino acid, because all of it gets absorbed and utilized, rather than being utilized as calories, it's actually utilized as a neurotransmitter building block or a muscle building block. 99% of essential amino acids get put to work by the body, so you only get about 1% or less of nitrogenous waste. And not only that, but you get absorption. And this is really important for athletes who are using this during a workout or before a workout within about 15 to 20 minutes. So you get an instant absorption with almost zero loss of the amino acids that you're trying to get. So food is tastier for sure. Food looks better as food porn. And I'll link in the show notes to my podcast with Dr. Minkoff where we take a deep, deep dive into amino acid utilization. But ultimately.

I would use essential amino acids. And full disclosure, my new company that I just launched, for those of you who didn't hear about that new company, it's called Kion K I O n like one of our flagship products for the reasons that I just described and for the reason that I personally, and especially when I'm traveling or I'm fasting or I'm in ketosis, I pop 20 to 30 grams of amino acids per day. Because of that amino acid utilization with very little calories and very little digestive cost. I use a lot of amino acids. And one of our flagship products over there is an amino acid tablet or an amino acid powder.

So if you want to check those out, just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com 375 but ultimately, Amino acids don't hold a candle to food. Do I like steak? Do I like chicken? Do I like fish? Yeah. As a matter of fact, I just posted speaking of food porn to Instagram, last night's dinner. You know what it was, Brock?

No idea. Something delicious.

Yeah. Prepare to drool. This is what I make when my wife's not around. I come up with weird recipes. So I made myself a nice little wild caught salmon cooked in grass fed butter with sea salt and black pepper and a fiddlehead fern powder, which is this amazing little vegetable powder I get from this guy named Dr. Thomas Cowan. Fiddlehead fern powder. And I'LL link to my Instagram page for people who want to see this one. And then I am on a big pumpkin kick right now because it's the fall. So almost every night I bake a Pumpkin at about 350 degrees for about an hour and a half. And then I take the pumpkin out and I salt that with a little bit of avocado or olive oil. I put a little fiddlehead fern powder on that and I served all of that over a bed of arugula. So salmon baked pumpkin over arugula with fiddlehead fern powder and sea salt. So I do not just eat tablets for my protein, but I do take advantage of better living through science. And Caleb yeah, I'm a I'm a fan of essential amino acids for sure compared to food when it comes to getting everything you can from an amino acid utilization standpoint.

Okay, well, we've got our next question is another one that came in on Facebook and unfortunately Elena didn't go over to Speak Pipe or over to BenGreenfieldFitness.com and leave her question as an audio, which I'm going to reiterate that everybody should do from now on because otherwise you have to listen to me struggle through reading it. But her question is I'd really like to delve into understanding the recovery of self esteem, particularly when placing expectation on oneself to perform and train when the body is ready. But the mind throws a load of negatives. As an athlete and part of a team, it was easy to recover quicker as the camaraderie and the sharing of muscle pain seemed to overcome the overcome it psychologically. But now with family commitments and in an industry of helping others, it's become mentally draining to recover for her next training session.

Well, Brock, despite my extreme passion for sports psychology and the mental side of.

Training, not I don't remember you having that.

Yeah, I'm not that into the mental game. I mean, as a former tennis player, I definitely did a lot of studying on the mental game and I've talked a lot about it before on the podcast and I'm okay with speaking to it. But when I saw this question from Elena, it got me thinking about a book that I literally just read. And it is a fantastic book. It's written by a PhD and a professional triathlete, written by Simon Marshall and Leslie Patterson, and it's called the Brave Calm the Down and Rise to the Occasion. The Brave Athlete. Brand new book and it gets into this and Simon is a complete wizard when it comes to this. So I asked Simon if He could give his perspective on Elena's question, and he was kind enough to actually reply to Elena. So I'm going to go ahead and give Elena Simon's response. And this is again the guy who wrote the book, the brave athlete. So here you go, Elena.

Hi, Elena. That's a great question, and it's actually one that I get asked quite a lot. How do I stop negative thoughts from undermining my self confidence? It might be nagging thoughts about not being fit enough or fast enough or lean enough, or living up to expectations that you've created in your head that tell you that in order to feel enough, you must meet them. And as you discovered, when you're in a supportive group, people who give you praise and encouragement, it's often easier because you get a booster seat for your confidence. It's almost as if you're outsourcing some of your confidence to others. But when you're training alone, things can feel much harder because they are much harder. The negative self talk often gets a bit louder and more persistent because there's not as much to confront it or contest it when it happens. And when you get physically and emotionally tired as it sounds like you experience, whether this is from work, from family commitments or whatever, your ability to swat away those thoughts gets even harder still. So the question is, what can you do about it? Well, the first thing to realize is that these thoughts aren't actually coming from the real you at all. And when I say real you, I'm talking about the part of your brain that does the thinking, the frontal cortex. Now, the thoughts that you're having begin in a primitive emotional center deep in your brain called the limbic system. It's what we call the chimp brain. Others have called it this too, but we call it a chimp because it acts like a young primate. It's this emotional reacting machine that's prone to tantrums. It can be a bully. It can also be soft and cuddly. But it's often the bully in our head. And all of your feelings and emotions originate in the chimp as well as the fight or flight response. And they're there for a very good reason. We have emotions that try and force us to make a decision. We don't want you to be in danger. Your chimp brain's first goal is to keep you alive. That's a pretty noble cause. We thank it for that. But it doesn't know that. It's just sport. It thinks you're entering into a life and death situation every time or at least a situation that it's really scared of. And when I mean scared of, your chimp brain is terrified by the thought that you might either be shown to be embarrassed, humiliated or inadequate. So why does your chimp brain hate these possibilities so much? Well, because millions of years ago, being in those environments often did mean death. When we became ostracized from our troop, we had to fend for ourselves. We had to forage for our own food and for safety and so on. And this rarely ended well. But of course, not anymore, right? Modern day living is not. Our lives aren't at stake anymore. But try telling your chimp brain that he doesn't care or know any different. He's just going to give you feelings that scream at you to avoid the situation and to do something that's less scary and more comfortable. So when exercise hurts, you just want to stop. When you see other competitors and your first thought is, oh my God, they all look so much faster and stronger and leaner than me. What am I doing? You've actually been tricked by your chimp brain. Your chimp brain has hijacked you to convince you that you need to get the heck away from there as quick as possible. So the first thing to recognize that this is totally normal. We all feel a certain amount of doubt and worry and negativity when we feel threatened, psychologically or physically. But the trick is not to try and arm wrestle the chimp or to try and expunge these feelings and reject them, but actually accept them, because they're not actually coming from the real you. So in an exercise I call a chimp purge, I even encourage athletes to listen to the negativity, to say out loud all of the negative things that your chimp is screaming at you. You don't actually interrupt him when he's doing this. You don't stop until your chimp has exhausted himself. You know he's exhausted when he runs out of negative things to say or start saying the same thing over and over again. And for most athletes, this can take between, you know, three to ten minutes or so. It's important that you don't stop just after 30 seconds, because otherwise you've just given yourself the world's worst self defense talk. You do it until your chimp has nothing left to throw at you. You can do this, you know, often what I recommend is you do it as you roll up to a race in the car. Before you get out the car, you say out loud or you write it down, or you say it to yourself at Night, the night before, that threatening situation or the situation that scares you. And afterwards, you feel a bit lighter, unburdened. And many people report feeling, like, strangely tranquil. And there are some biochemical and neurophysiological reasons why this happens, but suffice to say, it really actually works. So obviously, do it when you're. When you won't be distracted, or do it in a quiet place so you don't look like a total lunatic. But it's a really effective strategy. CHIMP PURGING and the second thing I recommend is to start confronting each of the negative thoughts with the powers that only your smart brain, the real you, has. And that's facts and logic. So for each negative thought, ask yourself two questions. First, what evidence is there that this will or actually could come true? And by evidence, I don't mean the stories that you've concocted in your head. I mean real, tangible proof that this could come true. And second, if it could come true, so what. What will happen if this does actually play out? So I'll give you an example, because I was speaking to an athlete yesterday who's a novice 5k runner, and this is what her chimp brain was telling her. You're going to get pummeled out there. You're not a real athlete. They're the real athletes. You're probably going to come last, and people will be looking at you, you're fat, stuffed into that Lycra and thinking, why is she doing this? She's got no business being here. So you can see when you hear those words, they obviously sound a bit silly because they're not the real house. And we know that a lot of these things intuitively are rational, but they still seem to. They still feel really powerful in our own heads. So it doesn't matter if that's not what's happening in your head. But it's a good example because it's a really common thought pattern among athletes, especially beginners. So the first thing we need to think about is the likelihood of these things coming true. So, as I said to this athlete, have you ever actually been to a 5k before and watched other athletes or spectators? I mean, most people are so absorbed in their own stuff to even notice other people, let alone judging other people. That's simply not what the running community does. And if some of them do do that, then they often get called out or criticized for it. But the reality is that no one actually cares how fast you are or what you look like, except you and your chimp. But let's say, you know, there is a possibility that you'll be near the back or even last. So the next question is, well, so what? So for that we say, well, listen, guess who gets the most encouragement or the biggest cheer at races? It's not the runners at the pointy end of the race, it's those nearer the back. So. So what that you feel like, you know, a sausage stuffed in Lycra casing? We say, well, listen, remember, this is what life in Lycra as an athlete is all about. It's tight because it's, you know, it's lighter, it's faster, and it's the part of the clothing that makes you an athlete. So the next time you're facing an intimidating situation, I'd like you to remember this mantra. The only two things that are always in your control are effort and attitude. Now this is true whether you are a newbie 5k runner or a professional world champion. Every race is about committing to giving your best and staying positive. Nothing else matters during the race. And it's the only thing that you should judge your performance on. So with that, good luck.

So, Elena, there you have it, straight from the mouth of Simon Marshall, PhD, the author of the Brave Athlete book. So a big shout out to Simon for his help with that question. And for those who want to read the book, it actually is really, really good. My favorite part of the whole book was the part where you get to write down your alter ego, and mine was Rocky Balboa. So in my next Spartan race, I'm going to be wearing like the. The gray hoodie and dancing up on stage with my Italian Stallion T shirt. That's my plan. So anyways though, I'll put a link to the book. BenGreenfieldFitness.com 375 you can check out this book and hopefully that helps you out. Alaina, great question.

Okay. Which leads us to our final question from Jeff. Another written question, and it is a simple one. It's what are your top five free or least expensive recovery musts? Ooh.

Ooh. Fun.

I dare you to keep it to five. I bet you can.

Okay, I could totally keep it to five. Watch me.

You think?

Number one, free or least expensive. That's not gonna shock anybody. But that I'll still cite a good study for cold water immersion. Brand new study actually just came out on this. Even though there's a lot that came out before it on cold water immersion that can shut off post workout inflammation. I remember now. This is what I wanted to say about inflammation, it wasn't about curcumin and stuff, it was about cold. The results of this one are pretty simple. With 11 hard training males getting submitted to 20 minutes of cold water immersion post workout cold waters, hard males, cold water immersion worked on that and much more. It worked and it did so really well. Not only was the swelling vastly controlled with the cold water immersion, but we saw a very significant blunt in the normal inflammatory response to resistance training. However, because that can also blunt the natural hormetic response to training, my recommendation is that unless you've had a really hard workout close to bedtime and you got to get your core temperature down so that you sleep well, this would be for any workout that occurs closer than three hours to bedtime. Because a hard workout close to bedtime, if it finishes any closer than three hours, it will disrupt your deep sleep cycles. Aside from that scenario, save your cold shower for earlier in the day or later in the day. Same reason as you should save, like I mentioned earlier, things like curcumin and CBD and other anti inflammatories for a different time of the day, but ultimately cold showers. And I'll link to this new study on cold water immersion if you want to see what it is. Cold showers, cold immersion cryotherapy chambers are not free or least expensive, but that'd be another option. That's number one. Got it. Okay. Number two, even though we see for example some studies cited on PubMed that say that fasting and lack of fluid and food intake might challenge an athlete's ability to be able to recover optimally, turns out that there's actually some other really interesting studies that look at improved recovery from both endurance exercise and weight training with a fasting protocol and even caloric restriction. For example, in one study they had three weeks of overnight fasted endurance cycling in athletes and all of them saw improved post workout recovery. Then there was another study on fasted endurance training that found that it might more quickly reactivate muscle protein translation meaning an increase in post workout muscle protein synthesis and muscle recovery by fasting after endurance exercise. Or more specifically, I'm sorry not fasting after but performing endurance exercise in a fasted state. We also see in weight training another study that found that subject who lifted weights in a fasted state have a greater anabolic response was called an intramyocellular anabolic response. And they see increased levels of a muscle protein synthesis signaling mechanism called P70 kinase that's an indicator of muscle growth. There's a guy named Martin Burkin, he runs a website called Lean Gains, I think is the name of his website, Leengains.com where he delves into this a lot in terms of fasted training and boosting of muscle growth. Although he recommends, as do I, that to amplify those effects even more, you take drumroll, please amino acids prior to a fasted training session to do that even better. You also see better glycogen repletion and better glycogen retention when you exercise in a fasted state. So I would say some form of fasted training, not overdone, would actually be a decent way to recover. And on your off days or your easier recovery days, doing something like a calorie cycling approach, where you're clearing up inflammation that might result in from just the normal digestive process would be another recommendation. So not only doing some of your workouts in a fasted state, but also fasting on your easier days can be a good recovery strategy. And the only thing I'd recommend that you do on those fasting protocols is include some of the things that your body does need, like a good multivitamin mineral complex, a good amino acids blend, and potentially like some ketones or some minerals to kind of keep your energy levels up. So, big fan of that approach.

All right, that's two.

That's two. Next one would be light. So red and near infrared light, and I actually have light shining on both my back and my front side this whole time that we've been podcasting can be fantastic for repair of damaged tissue. There are studies that have shown that red and near infrared lights, both far and near infrared light, can assist with muscle tissue damage, can assist with collagen production, can assist with mitochondrial density. And one of the reasons for that is because these light therapies help to improve the mitochondrial respiration cycle and help mitochondria produce energy more efficiently. And that means your muscles are going to be less likely to suffer from fatigue. They also help promote production of antioxidants, which reduces oxidative stress. They reduce inflammation that leads to cell damage. They increase what's called microcirculation, meaning your tissues are better able to receive oxygen and other nutrients that they need for muscle healing and also get rid of toxic byproducts. And there's even some really interesting studies that show that light therapy promotes muscle hypertrophy, or actual growth of healthy muscle tissue in terms of both muscle thickness and strength. And they've shown those results using ultrasound and what's called dynamometry, which would be a way to Test your actual strength. So it turns out that there's a host of studies that have shown that everything from low level laser therapy to infrared therapy can assist with muscle recovery via a lot of those mechanisms that I just talked about. And it turns out that big biohack in the sky called the sun actually produces near and far infrared rays. And by simply getting outside into the sun, you can take advantage of a lot of those things. I use this light, I don't think it's any secret. I use this thing called a joov light for enhancement of testosterone and for collagen production and skin and to stay toasty warm when I'm cold after my morning smoothie. But ultimately it turns out that infrared light, whether it's from the sun or whether it's from one of these biohacking type of devices, would be number three. So there you have it, number three. There you go, number four. I talked earlier in the show about PEMF and how it can stimulate that process that I referred to called myosin phosphorylation. And a lot of these PEMF devices can restore.

We didn't say what PEMF stands for at any point, maybe time to say.

That pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, and that can be used for sleep at different frequencies, like 3 Hz, for focus at 10 Hz, or for muscle repair and recovery at about 100 Hz. There's even some really interesting studies on like depression and anxiety at a thousand hertz. Well, these same electromagnetic fields produced by some of these devices that can be placed on specific areas of tissue to heal injuries or to enhance muscle repair and recovery can also be had by. Drumroll, please. Going outside and walking barefoot on the ground or laying on the ground, or even as they do in some, some especially eastern countries. Like there's a great story about this in Egypt, for example, that some workers will do this to enhance their muscle recovery. At the end of a hard day, they bury themselves under the sand, like out in the desert. Any of these methods. Yeah, go to the beach, bury yourself in sand. But any of these methods actually expose you to the earth's natural geomagnetic field. It's called earthing or grounding. So you could use one of these fancy PEMF devices, or you could also just walk barefoot on the ground or earth. There are these PEMF devices called the Earth Pulse, for example, like I mentioned, the one on my butt right now is called the flexpulse. A lot of options there. And then there's even these sandals that I Wear when I'm in recovery mode called earth runners that have copper plugs in the bottom of them that allow you to stay in touch with the planet as you're walking or running or recovering. So I'll be number four.

Wait, here's a question for you. Does that still work if you're on like asphalt or concrete, or do you have to be on like grass or dirt or gravel?

It's only going to produce a significant effect if you're on grass or dirt or sand or something like that. But it's still useful if you're outside and you don't want to go barefoot or you're concerned about sharp rocks or glass or things like that. So yeah, those are called earth runners. And by the way, everything I'm talking about I'll link to over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com 375 and then the last one would be sleep. But not just sleep, but deep sleep, which is where a lot of your repair and recovery is going to occur during your slow wave sleep. And there are certain strategies that you can use to enhance your slow wave sleep. I mentioned finishing up any hard workouts within three hours before bedtime, or if it's closer than that to bedtime, taking a cold shower afterwards to decrease the body's coffee core temperature. Because that cooling effect can really enhance the deep sleep cycle. And I've tested my own sleep again with this ring I mentioned, the Oura ring and that allows me to track deep sleep cycles. And one of the best things I can do for deep sleep is to just have my sleep temperature where it needs to be. But in addition to that, when it comes to deep sleep, there's a few different botanicals, nutrients that work well, anything that causes a release of gamma amino butyric acid I am a fan of. There's one thing called passion flower extract that you can just get in like a dropper bottle from say Amazon that you can take prior to bed for a natural release of gaba. A small glass of alcohol can actually cause a release of gaba. Like a little glass of wine for example. What? Yeah, yeah. That's a natural source of gamma amino butyric acid. Now if you overdo it, you wake up a little bit later on once that all wears off. So you don't want to flood yourself with gaba, but a little bit can be pretty helpful.

Would you call that a microdose, a.

Micro dose of alcohol? There's another supplement that is called Sleep remedy made by Dr. Kirk Parsley that has A little bit of a really good form of GABA in it that does a good job crossing the blood brain barrier. It's a very small GABA molecule. Ph GABA cannabidiol, believe it or not, has been shown to improve deep sleep cycles quite significantly. So that'd be another option using like a CBD type of supplement and then the pulsed electromagnetic field therapies that I talked about earlier. Using those in bed at a frequency of about 3 Hz can help quite a bit with deep sleep as well. So that would be another one to look into. Kava Kava is actually something that increases deep sleep. I know some of these aren't free, but they're relatively inexpensive things like kava or passion flower acupuncture or acupressure laying on one of these mats. And I've actually been doing that a little bit before bed. I've been doing a lot of my reading in the sauna these days because it's getting cold in Spokane and in the cool winter, it's nice to go lay in the sauna before bed at night. And then I'll take a nice walk outside to the hot tub to cool the temperature a little bit, get in, get out, come back inside. But I lay on that acupressure mat in the sauna. Acupuncture and acupressure have been shown to specifically assist with those deep sleep cycles. A couple other things that I would look into would be pink noise. Not white noise, but pink noise. A lot of these apps, like I have one called Sleep Stream, will produce a specific form of noise very similar to white noise, but at a slightly lower, lower frequency. And what they've shown is that that boosts deep sleep even better than some of these white noise noise blocking apps. And those are typically free or pennies on the dollar to use something like a pink noise app. And then there's even this concept of TDCS or trans direct cranial or current stimulation. There are devices like the halo, for example. Those are marketed to athletes for use prior to hard workouts, but you can also use them before bed to enhance your deep sleep cycles. That would be another example. That's more like $600 compared to free, but it's an option. And there are even websites online that show you how to make it yourself from Radio Shack with a battery and some wires. So there's that. And those would be some of the biggies when it comes to sleep. There's a lot more, obviously I got, I could go on and on when it comes to deep Sleep. But those are some of the first things that come to mind. Would be like a cannabidiol or a gaba. Acupressure, acupuncture, pemf, kava, some kind of a sleep stream app. And you'd use pink noise with it. And then, yeah, those would be some of the biggies. So there you have it. Cold, cold, sun, earthing, deep sleep and fasting. So there you have it. Free and easy recovery Biohacks straight from the Ben Greenfield fitness show. Biohacks.

Nice work.

Yeah, well, I know we've been going on. I'm getting a long in the tooth, so I think it's about time that we.

Yeah, this is a long one that.

We give something away. What do you think?

Absolutely. Let's do it.

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The Planet of the Apes guy?

Not in my book. I'll tell you. I'll tell you. But first, why don't you go ahead and read the review?

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Or perhaps he's a talking ape.

Or a talking ape from the future as well. Yeah, that's right. He's in Planet of the Apes, too. Huh?

Yeah.

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I did eat a lot of coca leaves while I was there, so that could explain why I was so damn funny this week.

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