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Hey folks, it's Ben Greenfield. And I have sitting on my desk right in front of me this really cool device. You may have seen me post about it on Facebook or Snapchat or Instagram, if you follow me on any of those channels. And it's got this strange blue light generating water canister on the top of it and then a nasal cannula and a tube that come out of it. And while I sit here and I work during the day, I breathe the air that comes out of this thing. It's called a Nano V, made by a company called Life Science Technology. ENG3 Life Science Technology out of Washington State. And it's a fascinating device that supposedly repairs DNA damage and generates.

Some kind of a signal that actually.

Well, I should shut up and have the scientist on the show talk to you about this because I've got a guy who can explain this a lot better than I can. That's actually why I wanted to get him on the show. Because all I know is I feel amazing after I use this thing, whether it's before exercise or just during the day. But I have yet to wrap my head around kind of the full story behind how this crazy contraption works. So I figured I'd get a biophysicist on the call and his name is Hans Eng, and he's the president and the CEO of Eng3 Corporation, which is the Seattle based company that uses biophysics technology to make these very interesting medical devices. And he has over three decades of experience with advanced medical technologies both domestically and abroad, and has his mechanical engineering degree from Berlin, Germany, combined with a background in material science and proteomics. So, Hans, welcome to the show, man.

Yeah, Ben, welcome. Thank you for having me here.

Yeah, it's a beautiful German accent that you have there.

Thank you very much for the introduction. And you used a lot of key words which are describing the background of our technology and which are destroying parts that we are utilizing within the technology. And yeah, you were asking about where everything comes from and what it is doing. Let me see if I can translate this in a very fast way to your listeners.

Actually, you know what, can I interrupt you before you even start to explain that? Because actually I want to know more about you, man. I mean, you're a biophysicist, but you seem to have this interest in repairing DNA damage, like in these medical technologies that are doing things That I wasn't familiar medical technology could do. Is this something you've always been interested in? Have you always been kind of interested in the human body and medical science? Or how did you actually get interested in this?

Yeah, that is basically my background. I studied material science in Germany. And part of the material science during this time were also.

Say very soft materials. Proteins are soft materials. They have a different kind of binding energy to build their crystal structure and the final structure. And with this knowledge, I started to work in medical device companies. At first in human implant technologies. So companies are building artificial bones, artificial joints. One of the company in Berlin, which further got bought by Johnson Johnson, I worked at the R and D department. And the surface structure, how those kind of artificial joints and bones being accepted by the body involved cell biology. So cell biology was an important part of this kind of area. Yet to know how the body works. And during this time, cell biology was not really high developed as it is today. And we had to study and to learn a lot of things how the cells are working. And we were pretty mechanic everything. So.

My department where I worked in and we were mainly interested in how do proteins work. Because proteins in our body are the workhorses. The proteins in our body do everything. Not in the human body, only in every body of a living species. The proteins are the key part. The proteins are built out of amino acids. 50% of the amino acids that we need for our life are produced in our body by our body. The other 50% we have to take in by food. And these small number in the 20s, amino acids. These amino acids are being used during the gene expression to create more than 900,000 different proteins in our body. So 900,000 different proteins in our Body, some only by one protein, sometimes in a protein network, are working in our body and execute function. Some of those proteins know cholesterol, insulin.

Is. We know a lot of enzymes. We know that we need enzymes for digestion. We know that we have hormones which are protein growth hormones. And so Most of these 900,000 proteins we don't know. We know something about maybe 30,000 proteins, their structure, we don't know their size. They are having very short lifetime. And we have more than 10,000 of different proteins in a cell, in one cell. And they are running every.

And a very protein like molecule in our cells are the DNA. The DNA actually is not a protein, but a protein like.

Structure.

Hold together by hydrogen bonds, which is a very weak bonding energy that makes them.

Things.

That happens to them could destroy, could damage a protein, could Damage a DNA and then you will lose this kind of function. And as we know today, all chronic diseases that we have is nothing else than a loss of certain protein function. We don't know which one, but we know that the loss of those protein functions finally end in a chronic disease. And the accumulation of lots of protein functions are basically causing the aging. And at the end when we lose most vital protein functions, we are dying.

Now what do you mean when you say that a loss of protein function is associated with chronic disease? Can you give an example?

For example, diabetes. We know that insulin is involved in a diabetes. That dysfunction, the insulin production could cause diabetes. We know that a certain kind of other apoptosis function that means the programmed cell death, when that is getting lost, that causes cancer and a lot of other copd, Alzheimer, chronic diseases, cardiovascular diseases are all related to protein functions that are getting lost.

Yeah, I think it's interesting, you know, have you ever heard of Aubrey de Grey?

Not very intensively.

Okay. He's this guy who has the Sens Research foundation and they research longevity and specifically the reasons that people get chronic disease or the things that one could do to enhance anti aging. And I interviewed him on the show and he has like seven different.

Proposed reasons that aging damage occurs. And he for each of those seven reasons, like every single one has to do with proteins, right? So mutations, right. Like changes to nuclear DNA that contain genetic information or proteins that bind to the DNA Junk. Right. Like cells constantly breaking down proteins and there's this buildup of literally harmful junk protein that accumulates outside of cells like, like amyloid in Alzheimer's patients. Cells secreting proteins that might be mutated or might be harmful. That's basically known as cellular senescence. Right. Or cells that are cross linked. Extracellular protein cross links, he calls them, where cells are held together by special linking proteins and when too many cross links form, the tissue loses elasticity and that causes for example, arteriosclerosis in vessels or fibromyalgia in muscle tissue. And so I think it's interesting you're talk proteins and chronic disease and. And when I interviewed him, like, you know, every single reason that people get old is basically because of DNA damage or some kind of protein damage or buildup of junk proteins. You're kind of speaking the same language as him. Oh, and by the way, for everybody listening in, I'm gonna put shownotes to this. I'll link to that podcast I did with Aubry, but I'll link to everything else Hans and I discussed. Just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com DNA Repair. That's BenGreenfieldFitness.com DNARepair so, Hans, sorry to interrupt you, but I believe you're talking about how DNA actually gets damaged.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. So by knowing that all these problems and the aging itself is accumulation of protein damage, we are very interesting. How is it possible to do something against it? So we know that a lot of possibilities or ideas are out there to prevent damage. So to avoid that damage happen. But then we have to look a little bit on the facts. What are the mechanisms that is doing these damages? And when we look at this, I think there is basically not a big thing to do to protect them. Because the biggest damaging event in the cells are actually caused by a very important process that has to occur in the cell. That is the ATP production. The energy production in the cell is utilizing oxygen, but is producing as a side effect, an unavoidable side effect, free radicals. These are the reactive oxygen species. We are producing per day, about 6500-000000-00000 free radicals. A normal breathing person. If you're an athlete and if you're doing endurance sport, you can easily have 100 times more of this amount of damaging molecules in your cells. That is unavoidable. And these damaging molecules have only mainly one group of other partners. They can find and really connect with each other in the cells. And these are the proteins. So there are 10,000, 30,000 different proteins in cells that are getting damaged. DNA is per day damaged far more than 100,000 times.

Wow.

And these have to be repaired, and our body is stable. And I say in biology, there is a process that is enabling the repair. And as fast it is repaired as better the system stays healthy, you can perform further because you're not losing functions, you're not losing abilities to generate your cell ATP, for example, your cell energy. So we were not interested to avoid the damaging process. We are interested to support the repair process.

The repair process. So you're not trying to stop the damage. You're basically like a better strategy for people rather than limiting the damage would be to just repair the damage that's going on.

Yes.

Why wouldn't you want to stop the damage and do the repair at the same time?

That is your choice. I mean, that is a choice of the person itself. I can try to avoid a certain lifestyle. I can try to avoid a certain way how I eat, how I work, what I do.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, you're not saying, like, go have A Big Mac and super sized fries every day. And then like, like breathe into your special device to repair the DNA. Right.

Right. But some people do this, they have a lifestyle, for example, they have a really demanding lifestyle if you have a very stressful job. Demanding job, yeah. You basically could say that you're running every day with your brain. A marathon.

Well, or if you're, or if you are a marathoner or an Ironman triathlete or a crossfitter or somebody like, like me who's beating up my body every day. I mean I'm not eating junk food, but I am. I'm putting my DNA, I'm bringing it to hell and back every day. And I know it. Right. That's why we're talking. Because I'm constantly figuring out ways to repair it.

Yes, yes. You as a person or me as a person. I try to minimize the bad influence, the bad impacts. But our technology and our company, with our background, we try to of a product that you can improve and boost your repair capacity on top.

Now before, before you talk about the repair capacity, sorry to interrupt, but how does DNA actually get repaired in the first place?

The DNA is being repaired by enzymes. Couple of years ago people got Nobel prizes. I could exactly show which kind of enzymes in a certain area of the DNA is involved in.

You could think about that. These are little like a zipper. They are running up and down the DNA in a certain area and they look if everything is okay and if there's some breakage, they ask other proteins to repair this part. And if the breakage is too big, is the damage too big? Then the entire DNA is being discarded. The cell sometimes is being discarded and the new cell is being initiated. So you have a replacement of a broken cell. And here you see when those proteins for example, got damaged because the damage does happen to every protein or could happen to every protein and cell if those protein repair proteins damaged, then the repair action so control mechanism to look for damage to the DNA cannot happen anymore. Now you have a broken DNA in the next gene expression, you get a wrong blueprint for the next generation of proteins. And now you start to run bigger problems in the cycle because the proteins that the DNA is initiating during the gene, gene expression, the proteins have failure. And now you run in bigger health problems.

Okay, got it. So basically when you're looking at DNA repair and you're saying these enzymes are assisting with DNA repair, essentially enzymes are like removing incorrect bases and then replacing them with the correct bases. And that that's essentially going to take care of replication mistakes in the DNA that would result in mutations that would then result in things like mitochondrial deficits or accelerated aging, or an increased rate of telomere shortening, etc.

Right.

Okay. All right.

If the DA is not being repaired, you have a major blueprint damage for all next generations of proteins in the cell.

Okay, got it. So at this point, when it comes to DNA repair, one of the things that when I first looked into this device, that I kept seeing over and over again on your website, was this concept of reactive oxygen species, or ROS, as we call them. Where do Ross fit in when it comes to DNA damage and DNA repair? Like, why is that something you talk about so much?

Yeah, we have to start to explain the technology on a level that commonly known. So if we would jump right away in the process, what we are doing in the device, there would be a big gap between what the majority of people know already and what we say. So we have to get a little bit more to the beginning. And you mentioned that our technology is called bioidentical signaling technology. Also that is a kind of group name. So we have to explain where the signal is coming from. And here we have to go to the source. The source of the signal of this process are a very specific kind of reactive oxidant species, the reactive oxygen species. There are many different which are produced by the mitochondria during the ATP production. They are released in the cell. And we have a lot of information, a lot of paper out there that describes the redox signaling process and the damaging process of free radicals. But also now we have since many years, all the important repair processes which are triggered by the reactive oxygen species. There's a lot of material out there.

So reactive oxygen species can trigger, repair.

A very, very specific mechanism out of a very specific group from the reactive oxygen species is responsible for the. For the repair, to trigger the repair. Yes. And these very specific reactive oxygen species is called activated oxygen. And to describe it, when you inhale the molecule and in the ATP, the molecules are getting ripped apart, the oxygen molecules. Sometimes an electron is getting pulled a little bit further to the outside. And when this kind of atom.

Is released into the cell, the electron jumps back on the preferred distance to center. And when that happens, very specific electromagnetic energy is being emitted by this electron. So that is a common process in all materials that we know.

You put energy in.

Moving the electron further to the outside, that is called. You excite the material. And when you stop to put the energy in the so called excitation energy, that Was absorbed, is being released again, is being emitted in form of material specific electromagnetic energy.

Okay, so basically, if I could interrupt really quickly.

When you're talking about reactive oxygen species, specifically when it comes to DNA repair, what you're saying is that the process of the production of ATP is causing free radicals and that certain reactive oxygen species.

And I know reactive oxygen species could be things like nitric oxide or hydrogen peroxide, or hydroxyl radicals, or superoxide, or all these different so called antioxidants. A lot of people think reactive oxygen species are bad. Many of them act as antioxidants. Those are essentially mopping up the free radicals, mopping up the cell membrane, the DNA damage, the mitochondrial damage, and the protein dam that can occur through normal cellular metabolism. And what you're saying is what you're trying to do is create somehow more of these good reactive oxygen species.

No.

Okay, yeah, now I feel like an idiot. Thank you. Okay, so I'm just kidding. Go ahead and explain this.

Yeah. The lot of different reactive oxygen species are being produced in the cells and they, they are involved in the damaging process. Some of them are getting filtered out by antioxidants. But there is one very specific reactive oxygen species that is an activated oxygen. And oxygen is in this activated state. It is a free radical. It has to emit its excitation energy.

Then it goes, after emitting the excitation energy, it goes ahead and is doing the bad thing, or it is connected with an antioxidant and is being neutralized. But the emission of the electromagnetic energy in the cell is an unavoidable process that happens in every oxygen species. We can measure it. Today we can have measurement instruments that we can measure how much of this kind of electromagnetic energy somebody is producing or a plant is producing. So that was one of the breakthroughs in the last several years, in the last 30 years that we were able actually to build so small sensors that we could measure this emission. Electromagnetic energy in this case is not a visible light. We cannot see this, which basically means we are not glowing in the night. But the electromagnetic energy is the oxygen specific energy. And if we look in Wikipedia or any other school book today, even in high school books, sometimes they teach the students what is the wavelength that this kind of solid oxygen is emitting. And with the right sensors, you can measure it. When you are precise enough.

This electromagnetic energy is being used in the cells to repair, or better to form, to create the three dimensional structure of the proteins.

What you're saying is that you're not making more of these good reactive oxygen species, what you're doing is you're simulating the same electromagnetic wave that they would produce.

Yes, that is absolutely correct.

It is very difficult to produce very precise free radical. The production of the free radical is very often catalytic process that could create all kind of different free radicals. To be sure that you precisely only produce one kind that you want to produce is very difficult and very, very expensive to do. So that would not be available in a commercial thing. And because it is a catalytic process, it is also not very. Doesn't have a big outcome today. We can do this instead with electronic devices. We have a very controlled process. We know exactly what kind of electromagnetic waves we want to produce, how many we would like to produce, and we have a permanently ongoing feedback system that tells us that we are actually producing it. So in our devices, it's not possible that you have a device that doesn't work because it will always test itself. It will make sure that you get this what we are planned to produce with this device.

Okay, so actually reactive oxygen species actually create a certain amount of electricity. They create an electromagnetic wave. And you are, you're simulating that same electromagnetic wave, but you're doing so by somehow, by somehow creating that electromagnetic wave with a water molecule rather than a reactive oxygen species molecule.

Yeah, the electromagnetic angle is an electronic process that we produce in it. Now we have to go back for a second back to the biology. We have to see what happens in the cells when this electromagnetic signal was produced and how is it possible that the protein gets it and it utilizing it for its last formation into the three dimensional shape. One thing is also that I would like to mention is we have a very good 3D animation video on our website that explains this entire process in a very.

I'll link to that video for, for people who aren't getting this via audio. I'll link to that video over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com DNA repair.

Yeah. So in the part of the biology we have to look in is a process of protein folding. Protein folding is a thermodynamic process, not a. It's a pure physical process, not a chemical process. And a protein that is built out of amino acids in a chain has to fold in a very, very specific form and then it is functionable. The last forming process, the thermodynamic one, needs energy. The surrounding of the protein, and that is water that surrounds the protein needs to get in a higher energy state. And when that is enough for the protein that is surrounding it, then the protein will fold, basically it will use the energy, it will suck the energy out of the environment, able to make next process to form into the three dimensional shape. And is changing by doing it, it is changing its entropy. So this process is described since also around 20 years in the literature and cell biology. And very important part of this was a university in Washington. Here in Seattle.

There'S a department for water science and Professor Pollock in this department with a lot of science.

I've interviewed Dr. Pollack before, he's extremely interesting. He's the guy that basically researches structured water and the idea that water carries a specific electrical charge that when present allows human cells to be able to better absorb that water or the water to be able to better pass through vessels. Like whether it be a plant or a human vessel.

Yes, yes, yes. That is one of those interesting thing, what water can do. When water is entering into the fourth phase and there are a lot of different things that the body is utilizing. In this case, in our case, this kind of water structure means that the water that is surrounding the unfolded protein changes its structure by receiving, by absorbing the electromagnetic energy. When another structure change happens to the water, the protein that is embedded in it will basically suck it out, will use it to change its entropy and form its final stage so that it works. This kind of folding process is absolutely essential for living species. The proteins would never fold by itself into three dimensional structure if it wouldn't have the support by the water that is surrounding it.

And Professor Pollack, like I said, he describes in detail the material science that happens to the water. So when he described structured water in his books, in his publications, and you see worldwide, basically all big universities have somehow research departments in this area today, he described describe this in very good animations on websites and on other publications.

Structure changes happens when water is able to absorb electromagnetic energy. It can only absorb very specific electromagnetic energy.

And one of the electromagnetic energies that water is absorbing is exactly this energy that is emitted by the activated oxygen. So now how things are falling together. Water is able to absorb an energy.

That is provided by the activated oxygen in the cells. And the embedded proteins in the water that absorbed it are now utilizing it for their folding process. So as more of this kind of electromagnetic signal we have, as more of the structured water is being built around the protein and as more is available in the search, as more the proteins as faster the protein can forward and repair itself.

That makes sense. So basically you're producing this signal inside the device without producing any reactive oxygen species. I obviously spoke wrong A few minutes ago you corrected me. So you're transferring that signal into water, basically into humidity. And then when someone breathes this humidified air, what happens is that same electromagnetic signal that would be produced by good reactive oxygen species, you're essentially just like sucking in through your lungs and your nose. It goes straight into protein repair, straight into DNA repair. And you guys have now been studying and doing research on how this actually works within the body and you've found that it actually works? You found that it actually results in DNA repair?

Yes, yes. That was one of our first studies to show and to prove that the effectiveness by using this technology will affect the proteins. And we took the biggest available protein like molecule that is a DNA in the cell. There are test equipment out there. And we did it in Austria, in Germany. So an Olympic training center in Austria provided ASLI damaging their DNA. We took the blood, it was sent to a special company in Berlin. They were able to analyze the DNA damages. So we took the group of athletes, they did a hard training and after the training we draw the blood every day over a period of a week.

How fast is the DNA being repaired without using our technology in this group of. And then we let them rest for several weeks and we did the same thing. And after the training, they used every day the ANOV device. And we saw that the average repair improvement within a week was around 17 to 20%, which is a really big high number in having support and faster DNA repair.

Wait, what are you measuring to measure DNA repair? What's the actual parameter you're measuring? It's not telomere length or something like that?

No, we are measuring the DNA directly.

Okay.

So we measure how many DNA double string breaks are still in the blood and then we compare the numbers after one week. That will show us then that the treatment with a nano V technology the people had around 17 to 20% less DNA breaks after one week than the people than the same people who didn't use the nanov.

Holy cow. I didn't even know you could measure DNA repair like that. That's crazy. It's very cool though.

Oh yeah, yeah.

It just makes me feel good about using this thing.

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So there's a lot of people listening in who may not want to repair DNA necessarily because of anti aging goals, but some people might be more interested in, for example, exercise. Have you guys studied at all the effects of this on exercise performance?

Yes. We took other group of athletes at a different sport university in Vienna and we measured.

How fast they get rid after intensive training, how Fast they get rid of the lactate cause the production of lactate in concentrated extreme sport is unavoidable. But we would like to get it out. The lactate reduction in the body is a complex protein function. As faster you get it out, as faster you can train again. And the same group we used other markers, we used the inflammation.

Response for these people and where we see after the training that people have a higher inflammation, which is understandable because the heavy training damage cells, damaged proteins and the body has to react in form of inflammation to repair those things. So the inflammation markers should go up after training and then go very fast, slow down. That would document the fast and successful repair of damages in the cells. We had the same thing around 17, up to 20% faster lactate reduction.

In the people in the test groups and around 17 to 20% improvement in the inflammation markers. And that was a blind, double controlled study. So the people didn't use it, didn't know what they are being tested or if the nanov devices were working or turned off. And it was.

I think it was even published from the university. I really know.

So if it's shutting down, if it's shutting down inflammation like that, should I be careful using this too soon after exercise? Like wouldn't, wouldn't it potentially like blunt the hormetic response to exercise in the same way that like high dose antioxidants like vitamin C or vitamin E might actually blunt the hormetic response to exercise? Would this be something to avoid post exercise or is the mechanism of action different? And the reason I ask that is because I know that for example, when you drink hydrogen rich water or use one of these fancy new like hydrogen tablets, like that's something that can quell the inflammatory response without blunting the hormetic response to exercise. That's one thing I'm aware of that can do that. But I'm curious in terms of this, like could it potentially quell the natural inflammatory process too much?

The inflammatory process after damage should be high. We would like to have damage being repaired and inflammation is one stage, stage number two in the repair status in the repair mechanism. And that was what we saw, that the inflammation went down within a week. Faster down than usual is only because at the beginning it was higher. We had more repair right in the beginning after the damage and then it faded out faster and we had faster, no more inflammation at these people. So it actually supports the biologic process of repair. It is not suppressing anything. If you use for example, a lot of antioxidants after damage, you can suppress the inflammation. And that is something that you don't want to do because you would like to have the repair done and finished as fast as possible. Sometimes we know that the inflammation process comes with uncomfortable side effects. It can hurt. We have a swooling. It can hurt. If you would like to suppress those things, then you use probably not our device. You would use an antioxidant and every other things to stop the repair process. But that is not the usual way to go. And the usual understanding of having a healthy life to suppress inflammation.

What's the difference between this then, and using an antioxidant?

The antioxidant is trying in the body to.

Catch free radicals that are produced in the cells to catch them before they connect with other important components in the cell. So instead of having the free radical connecting with a protein and damages it, or having the free radical connecting with the DNA and damage the DNA, the body is producing by itself antioxidants. Or we supplement our body with antioxidants so that these molecules are being now available for the free radicals to connect. So that is a prevention one. But by knowing that the cells or that the body produces 6500-000000-00000 free radicals, that is an extremely fast process. And when a free radical is being produced, it uses right away the next molecule that it can find. It is not looking for, where is my antioxidant molecule? It grabs right away the next molecule. So there's always a very strong question about what happens when we do the antioxidant treatment. Is that really getting to the free radicals, or is it something that the free radicals kind of ignore or could ignore and do their damage anyway?

And that's actually also that we see that too many antioxidants are causing other problems.

Because they are interfering with other biochemical reactions in the cells which we would like to have, which are biologically important. But the free radicals, too many antioxidants are suppressing, then again, a very healthy cycle.

Okay, so if I understand this correctly, when we look at antioxidants that would be used in different processes within the body to eliminate reactive oxygen species or reactive oxygen species molecules, basically the antioxidant therapies would inhibit the oxidation that would be caused by reactive oxygen species by like, basically more or less catching the Ross. But they eliminate not only the reactive oxygen species that would act as free radicals, but they also would eliminate the reactive oxygen species that would act as beneficial signaling molecules. And so if you take in a bunch of antioxidants, especially Post exercise, it's going to handicap cellular repair functions because it eliminates both the good and the bad reactive oxygen species. Whereas if you were to for example, just breathe in via water, the actual signal that the reactive oxygen species would be generating, you're going to get all of the beneficial aspects of taking an antioxidant without any of the detrimental aspects.

Yes, yes.

Okay. Yes, interesting. Now what about these oxygen therapies like hyperbaric oxygen therapies or supplemental oxygen or exercise with oxygen therapy that would increase the percent of oxygen above normal levels. A lot of people are using those.

Is that going to be something.

That would affect this? Is this going to be something that you'd want to pair with a therapy like this because it's producing a lot of extra reactive oxygen species? Or how does this compare to something like oxygen therapy? Or how would you use it along with something like oxygen therapy? Because I personally have.

I do exercise with oxygen therapy. So at certain times during the day, even like this morning, I did a 30 minute exercise session where I was, I was using quite a bit of oxygen at a percentage high above normal levels.

Any oxygen treatment that is out there, it could be hyperbaric or it could be e. Water, exercise with oxygen. They will all benefit by doing it together. The main focus for an oxygen treatment is to produce more ATP at the end to bring oxygen through breathing apparatus, through the transportation in the blood to the mitochondria, where the mitochondria produces more cell energy, more ATP. Why do we want it? Because we know that all these protein controlled functions in the body are using the ATP for the chemical reaction. So basically you said you can have a lot of nice working, correct working proteins in the cells. If you don't have the ATP, the fuel for the biochemical reactions, your body wouldn't work. So you need the fuel. So hypo oxygen or hyperbaric oxygen or the ewatt. These are system processes where you bring more oxygen to the ATP production and the biochemical reaction can start. As we heard in the beginning, when you produce ATP, you are producing unavoidable the damaging component that damage proteins. So the combination of bringing more oxygen for the ATP production into the body and supporting with our technology, the repair of proteins that are now able to use ATP for the biochemical reaction are pretty perfect.

Okay, I got it. This is really interesting. So it looks like for kind of like a biohackers lab, for example, like to put together the ultimate man cave like I have. And this is actually how I have it set up. Right now, just based on my own understanding of the topic. And I'm happy I have this set up the right way. I've got my nanov device right here beside my desk. I have like my oxygen therapy device behind me and I could for example, work out on my oxygen therapy device, do my protocol on that. And then when I go to work at my desk later on, like later on in the morning, I can just hook this nanov device up and use that to basically quell a lot of the reactive oxygen species that got generated from that oxygen therapy and then still get all the benefits from the oxygen therapy with none of the damage.

Yes. Cool.

I like it. I like it. Awesome, man. So how long are you supposed to use this? Because that's something I don't have my head fully wrapped around. Should can I use it? Because I've turned it on like a few times a day, sometimes for like 30, 40 minutes and other times I've used it for just 15 minutes. I mean, can. Can use it too much or is it like kind of a, based on your own clinical research, a recommended period of time to use it for?

Yeah, one thing is how much time you have available. Time is always an issue and a lot of people are looking for, oh, can I have it? Maybe I can have 20 minutes, half an hour time, break slot somewhere. And therefore we have different devices. Where we have, in the high end devices, we can say use it 15 minutes per day. That would be a good start. So to the upper side, how often can you use it? Maximum? Basically you can use it 24 hours a day.

We are not introducing another component that is forced to be metabolized in your body.

Hold on, hold on. Based on what you've just told me, just a minute, you might hear a little bubbling noise. I'm turning it on right now. I'm gonna run this bad boy the rest of the podcast. There we go. Boom. Hear that little bubbling noise. Oops, I dropped something. Hear that bubbling noise? It's going right now. So if you guys hear like a little bubbling, it's pretty to look at too. We'll put a photo in the show notes. So now I'm breathing this air. So I can do this every day for as long as I want.

Yes. There's only one little thing and that is very individual. If there is a lot of repair going on into your body, you can sometimes feel it and sometimes it also is uncomfortable for us, this repair. And I have to.

Everybody knows, for example, that after a good party and the next morning, some People have the problem that they feel the repair that goes on in their head. So these kind of headaches, this repair process after those damages can be possible to feel it. That could happen also with using the nanov device, especially in the beginning when repair is higher than usual. We have never used the device. So you start slowly into it and when you are setting up your body and your body is being used to it, then you can use it as much as you want as long you stay in your comfort level.

Okay, got it. So athletes could use this to accelerate the removal of lactic acid or pre workout to accelerate lactic acid buffering and also to repair oxidative stress damage from exercise. People who are just trying to live longer or who are using biohacking and using oxygen therapy, things like that, they could use it to quell some of the potential cellular damage and DNA damage that would be unavoidable from those activities. But have you studied this in any other situations aside from just like basic DNA repair, anti aging or in athletes, Are there other specific populations like chronic disease populations or other people that you found this would be especially beneficial for?

We have not studied on chronic diseases because that is with FDA registration. Our product is an FDA registered product. In the moment we study and publish it on a specific disease, then the device can be only used with a specific disease and not anymore for something else.

We are not able and we are not interested to study and to tailor this device only for one disease. This device is tailored to improve this protein repair. The rest is what a lot of people today know. Protein damaged proteins are the cause for chronic diseases and when you assist the repair of proteins, you probably will have a very beneficial outcome on a chronic disease.

Well, you probably can't say it because you'd get sued, but I can say it that there's a very interesting paper on pubmed I found that talks about targeting DNA repair pathways for cancer treatments treatment and I thought that was very interesting. Obviously cancer, as a lot of people know, if they listen to this podcast much, is a little bit of like a metabolic mitochondrial disease more than it is what we've been led to believe in the past, just like pure genetic mutations gone awry. But regardless, once cancer has set in, it appears that DNA repair mechanisms can greatly affect the recovery from everything from like cytotoxic treatments like chemotherapy for example, to a lot of the damage that tumors can create because more mutations in DNA can occur as tumors accumulate progressively and higher rate of DNA repair and protein repair could theoretically and you don't have to say this, Hans, because I don't want you to get in trouble. But I would see this as being a pretty efficacious thing for cancer treatments as well. But obviously, as you've alluded to health, general health, anti aging and athletic performance would be kind of like the big three that I'm seeing at this point that you guys can actually say this does work for based on research.

Yeah. Now, in the connection with cancer, there's one area that we definitely see how it is used and that is for the regeneration during and after cancer therapies. When people are using it in this situation, they are not targeting, they are not focused on the cancer tissue itself. When you have radiation or chemotherapy gone to your body, you have a lot of damages, cellular damages on healthy tissue, which is a collateral damage during this process. If you are able to repair this health still healthy tissue to regenerate faster, to perform back to the normal again, then you have a chance to go through the entire cancer therapy. So that therapy itself will be successful. Whatever your doctor or your expert chooses for you, you have a faster regeneration during this time. And that is where we see where that is often repaired in a cancer treatment. Again, not treating the cancer, only treating the person who need the tissue area of the person that needs to regenerate faster, where you still have enough regeneration capacity in.

Yeah. Well, I like this thing. I think it's amazing. And again, I've been using it for the past four months, and I swear it's just so easy because I can sit at my desk and type and write and talk on the phone and talk to German biophysicists and be breathing my air at the same time. And I know you've got a few different models, like your eco model, where the standard time is 60 sessions, then the one that's twice as powerful, which is the pro device, I have the exo just because I'm an overachiever, which is four times more powerful than the base device. And that's, that's what you'll find in a lot of homes, even professional settings. Like, I know a lot of physicians are setting this up in their clinics. I think my friend Dave Asprey has one down in Santa Monica to his biohackers lab down there. I know some chiropractic docs have them. And athletes, of course, you guys have a whole host of athletes you list on your site who are now using this thing, and I'm one of those as well. So for people listening in, if you want to get access to a lot of the clinical studies that they've done on this as well as their, their pricing. Check out the website and access the show notes and I'll also put an interview to my or or a link to my interview with Aubrey De Gray, that longevity interview that I mentioned. Also put a link to my interview with Gerald Pollock about the water in the show notes. Just go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com DNAresearch that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com DNARepair Hans, I want to thank you for coming on the show and sharing all this stuff with us. I think this nanov device is a game changer and I get like, I try out a lot of devices, dude. I try a lot of stuff. I shove a lot of stuff up my butt and in my nose and take a lot of different supplements and try out all these fancy devices. But this is one of the ones that has a hollowed place in my office. So thanks for designing this in your secret Batman labs over there in Seattle.

Okay? It's not so secret. You can come in here, visit us. We are almost neighbors here in Spokane and we are happy to share all this information and would guide you to other information too.

Awesome. Next time I want to visit 18 different Starbucks, I'll come over there to Seattle.

Thanks for coming on the show, man. I appreciate it.

Okay, thank you very much, Ben.

All right, folks, so I'm Ben Greenfield along with hans Eng from Eng3 Corporation. This device is called the Nano V. I'll link to it over@BenGreenfieldFitness.com DNArepair and thank you for listening. Have an amazing week. And until next time, stay healthy, breathe some, breathe some electro stimulated air. There you have it. All right, folks, later.

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