Ancient Aliens, Fallen Angels, Hidden Secrets Of The Vatican, The Coming Superhuman Race

We need to ask two fundamental questions before we launch ourselves into what I view as a post human apocalypse. And that is, number one, what does it mean to be human? And number two, should we preserve our humanity?

All right, folks, it's been something I've hinted at a couple of times. We've never really done a podcast about topics like, say, UFOs or aliens or the nephilim or anything like that, but I have been eating up the content and the book called Birthright by my guest on today's podcast, Timothy Albarino. And he's like the Indiana Jones of lost civilizations and hidden treasures and legendary creatures. You know, for me, as a guy who has grown up in North Idaho and eastern Washington, I've, of course, always known about the legend of Bigfoot. But Tim goes way beyond just Bigfoot and dives into a whole host of esoteric topics like alternative history and ancient methodologies and architecture, giants, cryptids, UFOs, alien abduction, transhumanism, occult conspiracies, eschatology, you name it. Tim's got something out there on it, and he has some fantastic videos on his website. Obviously, you could go deep down the rabbit hole. And I am going to put a link and resources for everything that we talk about, including Timothy's fantastic book, Birthright. If you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Birthright, that's BenGreenfieldLife.com BirthRight. Tim, welcome to the show, man.

Hey, Ben, thanks for inviting me.

No problem. By the way, you go by Tim or Timothy.

Tim's fine.

All right, cool. That saves me a few seconds. Syllables. How'd you get into all this, man?

Well, I suppose it started when I was 18 years old and I got kicked out, slash dropped out of high school, and then I moved to the Amazon jungle to the Amazon basin in Peru, and that's really where the journey began for me. By the time I was 19, I was living in the Amazon and encountered all kinds of weird things and had some interesting encounters myself in terms of.

Let's call it, some paranormal stuff and. But also became familiarized with some of the legends in Peru, and then, of course, the megaliths and stories of giants. And so that's. That's really where things began for me, was in the Amazon basin of Peru.

The Amazon seems like kind of a random place to go after getting kicked out of high school. How'd that actually go down?

Well.

Truth be told, I was kicked out of high school, and then my first attempt at traveling abroad was.

Ireland. I had this dream of going to Ireland. And so I'll make a very long story very brief. I landed in Gatwick, London in order to go up north to Scotland and cross over to Ireland. And we had this whole, me and my buddy had this whole three month long trek plan planned and.

They deported me from up from Gatwick the next day. So first kicked out of high school, then I got kicked out of the United Kingdom.

Were these for similar reasons? I mean, were you just walking over with a, with a joint in your mouth or something like that or.

No, no, totally different reasons. I was never a troublemaker in any way. I never did any kind of drugs, I didn't drink.

I was actually very, I would say, very straight edge young man.

In school. I just.

That'S kind of a different conversation. But let's say that I wasn't.

I wasn't excited about certain policies in school, like homework. I had my own policy and that was that I didn't bring school home. So I would, the teachers would pass out homework and I hated that place so much that I refused to bring it home. And so I would just sign my name and turn it back in. And very politely, I was never, like I said, I was never disruptive student, but I passed all my grades. But you know, I did so by the skin of my teeth. But school bored me to death for one thing. And I wasn't very enthusiastic about the social interactions and the environment and the fakery of.

High school. So that was a different.

By the way, I'm nodding my, I'm nodding my head like I understand, but I, I was homeschooled K through 12, so it's a little bit of a foreign concept to me. But I, I think I get it. I, I'm just wondering if any of your teachers have had a chance to get their hands on, on your big books now and seen your videos and.

No, that would be very interesting. But I got kicked out of the England for other reasons. In fact, the reason why they kicked me and my buddy out of England boils down to the fact that they didn't like.

The particular immigrations officer. This woman I was dealing with, she was not too fond of young white American Yankees. Male, I should say young white male American Yankees. That's the way she put it.

Yeah.

And so she, she, she called me a Yankee. It's the first time I've ever been called a Yankee in my entire life. And literally turned us around, put us on the plane home the next day. And how does that get me to Peru? Because when I came Back to the United States, Back to Cleveland, Ohio. Well, actually a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio, Brook Park, Ohio, where I was, where I grew up in which I was desperately trying to escape. It was just the. The doldrums of. Of suburbia America. And I was quite an adventurous lad. And so when I came back, I was very depressed. I was distraught, to say the least. Like, I can't get out of here. And it just so happened. My father was a pastor. It just so happened that there was this Mexican missionary, he was a Mexican American missionary to Peru named Alfonso Felix. And he happened to be speaking at my dad's church, like the week I came back from being deported from England. And my stepmother.

Had been to Peru with Alfonso. And she said, tim, you need to go to Peru. She saw how depressed I was from getting ejected.

From the United Kingdom and she said, you need to go to Peru. I didn't really have any desire to go to Peru, but it was the only option left. The door opened and I ended up going down with Alfonso for a month or two. And then I came back to the United States to work for, you know, a couple of months just to save up enough money to leave for good. So it was the 18. 19 years old. 18 years old was the transition to Peru. By the time I was 19, I was living there.

Long term.

Wow. I'm chuckling as you talk about the young white male American Yankee. I feel like that could be a new pronoun, like the YWMA identify as a white DNA.

Yeah, so obviously no one uses the term Yankee. I feel like it's under. Underutilized.

No, I mean, the last time I heard that was when I recommended my sons read Mark Twain's book, the Yankee, Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court. Great book, by the way. Those of you who need a. Need a good Mark Twain read. So anyways, you know, talking about Peru, obviously, elephant in the room here. We have all the news headlines, at least at the time that you and I are recording this, about these alien attacks in, In Peru. I'm curious, have you returned to Peru since then? Is that. Is that where your interest in, in, you know, things paranormal first arose?

Since this situation that's unfolded in the jungle with these.

Oh, no, no, since. Well, since. Since you originally went there with this missionary. Like, did you get interested in the paranormal while there?

Yes. Yeah. So I ended up staying in Peru for a couple of years, just wandering around, mainly in the Amazon. I was. I was all over the place, including way up the river where this place recently with the villagers and, and, and the aliens, the alleged aliens.

I was in the Andes as well. I was all over the place. I was kind of a vagabond.

And then I, after, and I had some, that's when I had some very interesting experiences. And then after that, I went back to Ohio briefly back to, back to Cleveland, Ohio. And I ended up getting married to one of the young ladies in my dad's church. A thing I swore I would never do, by the way. And, and then her and I moved.

To get married or get married to a church girl.

Well, I, I, I always said, look, if I'm going to get married, I'm not going to marry an American woman. Especially an American woman from Cleveland, Ohio, and especially American woman from Cleveland, Ohio that happens to be a member of my dad's church. And that is.

You're not going to marry a Yankee.

When I did. Yeah, exactly. And that is precisely what I did. So. And then I, after we got married, we moved together to Peru and the adventure continued in Peru for a number of years. All told, I lived about 10 years in the Amazon basin.

You said you had some interesting experiences there. Sounds like that got you a little bit interested in this whole paranormal piece. What were some of those experiences?

Well.

I guess I should say that one of the primary motivations to.

Not necessarily going specifically to Peru, but leaving this, as I said, the doldrums of suburbia America was. First of all, I had this insatiable appetite for adventure. That was the first thing. I just couldn't quench it. It was just insatiable. I mean, I, I.

Read through the Chronicles of Narnia when I was, when I was, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old. Then I, then I devoured the Lord of the Rings when I was a teenager. And I just had, as I said, I just, I just had an insatiable, insatiable appetite for adventure. So that was part of the equation. But then the other part of the equation was I also had an insatiable appetite to encounter God. I grew up in church and I had a very good upbringing, by the way. I had very good parents, grew up in a very healthy environment.

And so I'm thankful for that. But I was left with this, this desire to have like a burning bush encounter with God. And I was willing to sacrifice everything to attain it. And I just felt like I was being drawn into the wilderness, so to speak, to get away from everything and to get by myself and to isolate myself somewhere and seek the face of God intensely for an extended Period of time, and that's a very long story. But ultimately, I did do just that in the Amazon, and I had quite the experience, which is a whole, you know, take me three hours to explain that. But let's just say that for the sake of brevity, that I. My.

Quest was fulfilled. Let's just put it.

Most of the people I talk to these days who talk about having a spiritual experience in the Amazon, they're using in theogenic substances, you know, ayahuasca or something like that. Was this similar for you?

No, no, I've never touched ayahuasca. I never even smoked a joint to this day. I mean, you know, I smoke cigars and pipes, but, you know. Yeah, it's tobacco. It's not. It's not weed, so.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Although down there, they snort that up their nose, right, with the. With the hoppe, the tobacco. I think it's. It's a nicotine.

In the jungle, they smoke a very, very crude cigarette called a mapacho. Yeah, it's. They roll it themselves, and it's just. It's very harsh and very strong.

But, you know, there's a lot of ayahuasca, and I just. I don't ever. I never want to alter my. My state of mind. I just don't. I don't like it. I don't even like to take pain pills, strong pain pills. I just don't like the feeling of my mind being altered in any way. And so I've always stayed away from those kinds of substances, psychedelics and ayahuasca and.

Those kinds of.

I'd be curious for your take on that, because there's obviously that guy, Brian Marascu, I had him on my podcast a couple of years ago, who swears that entheogenic substances were a core foundational part of early Christianity. And a lot of people are using psychedelics or entheogens, in my opinion, a very similar way to how they were used for the purposes of divination, for example, in scripture, referred to as pharmacia. And as a part of this, and I would imagine you've probably come across this yourself, people report interacting with or seeing entities, and they're often consistent entities from person to person, like some kind of a purple fairy or a praying mantis or whatever.

Machine elves.

Yeah, the machine elves. What's your take on that? Do you think these are actual aliens or angels or demons or something like that that people are experiencing?

Well, my take on this would be that there's a field of consciousness.

And I haven't really spent a whole lot of time developing this idea of mine. But I think there's a field of consciousness. I think that all of us are intrinsically connected to some degree. And, and that when you take psychedelics, you sort of tap into this Internet of consciousness, let's call it. And so that would explain why people experience the same sort of. They see the same sort of things, they have sometimes the same sort of experiences, both with their positive and negative trips. So if you're tapping into again, an Internet of consciousness, if we are all intrinsically connected and not just us, but other conscious entities as well, then you're dealing with a perceptual reality. You're not necessarily dealing with a tangible reality, a physical reality. Rather, you're in a perceptual, let's call it a realm, although I don't really like that word very much.

We're in a perceptual realm in which our minds are plugged in to this Internet of consciousness. And that would explain why everyone, not everyone, but why there's so much similarity in people's experiences and why you can interface with different kinds of entities and why people receive similar messages.

Why shamans, for example, can access information regarding plants, regarding medicinal plants and other things like that. Because in the same way that we access information on the Internet that's available to everybody who can get online. And so there's something like that, in my estimation, happening. There's. We don't understand consciousness and we are all intrinsically connected even on, even in the material sense.

You know, with, with quantum entanglement and all of that. There's, there's something like conscious entanglement as well. So, and that's a gateway. It's, it's a gateway. And, and here's the, here's the reason why I think it was so, why it is prohibited in the Hebrew scriptures. Because when you open yourself up, when you plug in.

To this Internet of consciousness as a human being, you're at a disadvantage.

You're in a perceptual world that you're not familiar with. You are not in control at that point. And so you're susceptible to all kinds of manipulation and deception.

And who knows what else. And I think it's, we don't understand it. And, you know, you're playing with fire when you subject yourself. Now people will say, you know, aren't there, isn't it, aren't there benefits to, for example, low dose psilocybin for patients who are terminally ill with cancer or something like that? Who, when they take some psilocybin, assuming they have a good trip, and most people do with psilocybin, that it actually abates the fear of death and it helps them to accept their terminal illness.

I don't think I would be opposed to that. I think, you know, I think there's environments in which psychedelics might be useful. But I've seen some pretty dramatic things happen with people who take ayahuasca. I've seen some people get absolutely ruined. And you hear about all the good stories, but you don't hear the bad ones. And the bad ones are pretty dramatic. I mean, people I know, people who did ayahuasca and suddenly they've got a visitor, they've got something that is following them.

It's a phenomenon.

You might consider it something like demon possession, where these people suddenly can't shake this presence. It's like it's attached itself to them. After ayahuasca, and this is a real problem for these people. They go down there to get detoxed. In Terrapoto, Peru, where I spent a lot of time in the Peruvian Amazon basin, there's a place called Takiwasi, which is very, it's famous, it's run by some French people. And it, I lived right next to it and it's a detox center and they use ayahuasca and they use shamans. And I heard some stories from the people who've gone through the detox. Yeah, they got detoxed off of an addiction to heroin or something like that. But now they're dealing with what appears to be.

Something like demon possession. And so they traded one problem for another.

Yeah, I have multiple friends who have done a lot of that. And I think the only kind of, I guess, decent media that the dark side of ayahuasca or plant medicine in general has gotten is I think the New Yorker, New Yorker magazine did a nine part podcast series on sexual abuse and stripping the Amazon of its resources. And also some of these issues with bipolar, schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder that I think you and I might suspect could be something like an entity or a demonic possession or something like that that a lot of these people come out of those experiences with. And I have multiple friends who have had to go through an exorcism like experience after coming back from something like ayahuasca. And I don't think that kind of like your reference to psilocybin when used in the proper context, I don't necessarily think that that makes those plants or those plant combinations evil. I think they're just being used.

In a way that perhaps God, if you're a creationist or a Christian perhaps didn't intend their use. I've used low dos psilocybin before to crush through a creative writing day. I think it's fantastic for something like that, as is an ergo like fungus such as LSD in very small doses for a workout or even something like hop a or low, low dose ayahuasca for hunting. Right. To increase sensory perception, which from my understanding it was originally used or at least partially used as hunting medicine in many of those cultures. And so I think there's a time and a place to use these. But even, I mean, I'm even to the point where with something like, say like a psilocybin dose, which I wouldn't consider trauma therapy or end of life therapy for something like cancer to be low dose, I think it's more like a heroic dose of psilocybin that's used in a lot of the research on that. And I know I'm biased coming from a Christian background, but I think that even in those cases there should be a better attempt to come before God, to implement the spiritual disciplines in your own life and to engage in things like meditation and prayer and community and worship before you turn to psilocybin to release something like past trauma.

Yeah, you don't have the, you know, you're talking about low dosing on psilocybin. You don't have the agency of a. Or to meet, let's call it the mediation of a medicine man or a witch doctor, which changes the game because I, I had some acquaintance, some acquaintances of mine were, were.

Curanderos, were Peruvian witch doctors, Andean witch doctors, let's say. And.

And I asked them during the ayahuasca session, what is it that you're doing? Because I've witnessed ayahuasca sessions, I've never done it myself, but I've watched them. And obviously the medicine men are playing different. The curanderos are playing their different instruments and chanting and so forth. And their job, according to these guys who are curanderos who do do ayahuasca sessions with people regularly. And in fact, one of these guys was quite famous. He said that, well, our job is kind of twofold. One, we lead people on this journey.

Into this experience. We lead them through this journey, we make sure they're okay.

But also we are inviting the guides, we're inviting.

The spirit guides, the spirits of the jungle and of, and of the ancient spirits to come and interact with these people.

And he Then he proceeded to describe what this looks like. And so they would invoke these different entities during this ceremony.

And he says that we actually witness the entities, and so do the people sometimes who are having the experience, the ayahuasca experience, who are under the influence of the brew.

These entities, actually, because they're usually sitting in a circle, the entities enter the circle and they go up to each person and they look at them in the face. Each one, they examine them. And when they find one that is suitable for whatever it is that they're looking for, they go into that person.

And this is what they described to me. This is what the curanderos described to me, the shamans. And. And so there's this added component which is the mediation of a shaman, which changes the purpose, the direction, the intention of what you're doing. And if you're taking a low dose psilocybin to deal with depression or something, your intention isn't to make contact with entities, and you're not doing it through the mediation of a shaman, which I think that totally changes the environment.

Yeah, I agree. I would say that the use of those substances is like a nootropic or even for therapeutical purposes is, as you've just alluded to, far different than their use for something like divination or, say, possession. So, yeah, I think the use and the intention kind of lies behind the effects, good or bad. By the way, that field of consciousness, that universal field of consciousness that you referred to, you know, obviously some people with some of these drugs we're talking about are able to tap into with a lot better efficiency. Is that related to the akashic record that I've heard some people talking about? Like this idea that the entire history of humankind is somehow stored in this other dimension and acceptable and able to be tapped into by witches or sorcerers or shamans or folks of that nature.

It may be. I think there is something to be said for the collective memory and experience of mankind that there's. That even genetically, there's. I think there's probably some genetic memories that we carry from our ancestors. We certainly carry genetic components of our ancestors. Biologically, we bear the same. Some of the. Some of the markers of our ancestors. And so it wouldn't surprise me that our consciousness is somehow affected by that as well, and that there may be. You know, you may be able to access memories, you may be able to access information through this field of consciousness. But again, human beings are, in terms of our intelligence in terms of our ability to navigate these waters.

We're infants. And we're always going to be at a disadvantage when encountering other entities who are much. Who are much more, let's say, efficient and practiced, experienced at dealing with us than we are at dealing with them. We're always going to be at a disadvantage.

Yeah, I think I have actually written something like that before in an article I wrote about plant medicine a couple of years ago. Who are you to think, lying in your New York City loft with your shaman, recently certified shaman friend, that you're going to enter into some spiritual portal and be able to withstand effing around with entities who have been playing with human beings, brains and minds and bodies for about the past 10,000 years or whatever? That's an arrogant assumption, a dangerous one, in my opinion. But you've obviously kind of alluded to the idea that you believe in entities or in this other spiritual world. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, I get that impression from reading your book as well. But for illustrative purposes, you know that incident that both of us alluded to about the Peruvian miners? Do you think that that's a situation where these are like aliens or entities that these people were seeing?

Well.

If we think about this field of consciousness as an Internet of consciousness, you and I are accessing the Internet right now, but we're not inside of the Internet. We are physical beings simply using this technology to interface. So it could be that there are physical beings on the earth and off the earth who are accessing this field of information, this Internet of consciousness, who are not physically inside of it, but just like you and I are in different locations accessing this technology, interfacing. They're interfacing with us, but that doesn't mean that they're there. That doesn't necessarily mean that they themselves are there.

It could be biological beings simply interfacing with their minds.

And not actually like some sort of a spiritual entity. But that doesn't discount. I don't discount the notion of a disembodied entity.

Obviously, I believe in demon possession and that those are specifically disembodied beings. But those disembodied beings, the condition of their disembodiment is a curse. It's not natural. It's unnatural for them. And it's a situation that they very much would like to resolve. It's a torturous state of affairs for them, a condition that is intolerable. And so.

I would say we're probably dealing with entities that are actually Physical, biological beings interfacing with us, let's say telepathically, through this Internet of consciousness.

So it sounds to me like what I'm hearing is that in the case. And I don't know a lot about what happened recently in Peru. You could probably explain it better than I could, but are you saying that there's the potential here that whatever these villagers were having to deal with were spiritual entities that had taken on the form of some known physical shell or physical body that they were able to access on Earth, like a human being or an animal or something like that?

No. I would say that if indeed these villagers were encountering.

Extraterrestrials, in their words, then what we're dealing with are specifically material entities, physical beings. I don't think that this is some sort of a supernatural experience. I think it was. It's very much a physical experience. I think what we would be looking at in this case is entities who are in possession of exceedingly advanced technology.

So what's the origin of these physical beings? Like, where do they come from?

Well, that.

There'S no way to know.

For sure, but I guess where would you say? Because I think you talk about this a little bit in your book Birthright, about the potential for these to be like entities from a whole different. Like these lords of a different realm that are now present on Earth or something like that?

Yes. You could have entities that are. You can have entities that are indigenous to planet Earth that are primordial indigenous creatures, that may be. Bigfoot, by the way, a hominid, an ancient hominid that's been here forever, or at least as long as mankind, if not longer. You can have that. That's one possibility. Then you can have entities that came here at some time from elsewhere. These would be extraterrestrial beings who arrived to Earth at some time in the past and who've taken up habitation here, who've inhabited the Earth, probably under the Earth, under the oceans, and who have been interacting with us ever since they've been here, that would certainly. You would quote, unquote, fallen angels would fall into that category for sure. But they might also be. They might also have been here before us. And then you have the possibility of entities that are actively visiting the Earth. So, again, in an extraterrestrial capacity, they're coming here and doing whatever they're doing, but they're not from here and they don't live here. Although I would say that if there's an extraterrestrial faction visiting the Earth, they probably have bases here as well. So just like we would do if we were visiting Mars, we would establish a base.

An outpost. So at the very least, these beings would have outposts here. But then you also have in the mix, you do have entities that are disembodied demons, specifically, that are in the equation, but not necessarily related to these extraterrestrial entities. And in my book Birthright, one of the first things I do is establish the fact that the biblical narrative presumes the existence of extraterrestrials unequivocally. It absolutely presumes the existence of ETs, because.

These beings that the Bible ambiguously designates as angels pre exist mankind very clearly. So they pre exist us. They shouted the sons of God. The Benai Elohim shouted for joy when the foundations of the Earth were laid. So these beings, the sons of God, that is the angels, preexist mankind. That makes them extraterrestrial, because they even pre exist the foundation of the Earth. So an extraterrestrial simply means a being, if we're talking about a sentient creature, a being whose provenance is not planet Earth. So if you were not created or born on Earth, you are, by definition, extraterrestrial, period. And angels certainly fit that description, the good and bad. And so these angelic race, who I designate in my book as the elder race, because A, they're clearly older than us, and B, they certainly constitute a race from a civilization, by the way, they have all the earmarks, all the trademarks of civilization, of an advanced extraterrestrial civilization. In fact, and I'm just reading practically through the narrative, the biblical narrative, and if you read it practically, and you don't try and, you know, you don't put on your supernatural spectacles or something like that, you just read it as you would read anything else, then these are logical deductions. And so you have in play this angelic race, who I call the elder race. When you talk about extraterrestrials, who are certainly. Who are certainly flying around in our airspace, our airspace, in advanced aerospace vehicles, they're navigating the skies over planet Earth in advanced technology. You would have, at least to some degree, the elder race would be involved in this activity, good and bad. I think the bad guys are confined to the Earth to some extent. That doesn't mean that they have to stay on Earth. But this is where they were and where they have been for a long time. And the good guys would be being dispatched from somewhere else and coming here for various reasons, the kind of reasons that we read about in the Old Testament, for example, and in the New Testament. So it's difficult for Christians to make a transition from paranormal thought to practical thought when thinking about these things. But when you do make that trans. Transition your paradigm, you can, you can comfortably accommodate extraterrestrials into your paradigm without losing your faith.

Yeah.

And that, and that, to me, seems to be very important, especially in this day and age. Yeah.

And beyond Christian historical writings or the Bible, isn't there a lot of other literature, including, like, ancient Indian texts that have reports of some kind of advanced technology, particularly advanced flying technology, that humankind has kind of experienced a lot in the past beyond just like the recent surge of what appears to be increased activity reported by the Air Force or some of these sightings in Peru?

Yeah. The Indian epics talk about vimanas, which are flying machines, and they describe them in great detail. And they even describe the engine. It's a, it's a mercury engine that operates by.

By rotating mercury. And.

And this, it's, again, it's described in great detail. These vehicles apparently can hover in place. They can fly at great speeds. They can, they discharge what appears to be missiles or lasers.

And again.

These vehicles.

Are written about in the Indian epics in the context of historical fact. These are not necessarily taken as myths.

By the Indians. Rather, this is history to them. So there is indication, there is some indication that there might have been some kind of advanced aerospace vehicles on Earth in the distant past that were, that were.

That, let's say, human beings were encountering or perhaps even manufacturing.

Yeah, those Indian writings, those are like thousands of years old. And so if this technology has been around for that long, do you think that we've actually inherited some of this technological, know how that we now have or at some point even, you know, for example, pre flood or, you know, back to the ancient megaliths or something like that had inherited technology?

Yeah, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. These are the two main documents that we read about this. These.

Advanced flying machines called vimana, but also within this epic. And this is a antediluvian epic.

What's that mean? Anti diluvian.

Antediluvian simply means before the flood. Pre flood. Before the great cataclysm.

Of which all major cultures talk about. They all discuss this great cataclysm.

That's not just like Sunday school. That's like all over the world.

Oh, no, no, no. This is, this is ubiquitous around the world. And most, most, most of these cultures specifically talk about a Flood. But it's described variously all over the Earth with these primary. Every primary culture on the planet has a cataclysm myth. And so not only were these. Not only do these vimana, rather these Indian epics talk about vimana flying craft, they also discuss.

In great detail this conflict, this massive war that occurred. And the war, the war involved not just human beings, but it was also the gods. So you had the gods with their various armies, human armies and other creatures involved, and.

They were engaged in this epic conflict, this war. And that notion that there was a great war.

This incredible war in which advanced technology was deployed.

Followed by a cataclysm that destroyed the Earth and annihilated every faction involved in this war. That story is also duplicated all over the Earth. We're all familiar with the story of Atlantis, for example, and everyone knows that Atlantis was destroyed in a cataclysm, okay? But a lot of people don't realize that before Atlantis was destroyed in a cataclysm, it was engaged in war.

It was expanding its empire. And Atlantis was, you know, according to the myth, and according to Plato, Atlantis was founded by Poseidon, by the God Poseidon, who copulated with a human woman named Plato. She conceived and gave birth to five sets of twins. And they were, according to some other sources, these were giants. The kings of Atlantis were giants. So there are 10 kings of Atlantis, and they ruled over seven islands and three continents. And these kings of Atlantis, these demigods, ended up going to war with the other nations. And Plato says specifically with Athens and. And Athens, which was founded by the goddess Athena. And the Athenians were the only military force able to withstand Atlantis. And so there was this epic conflict that was underway, but it was interrupted by a global cataclysm which not only destroyed Atlantis, but also Athens. It destroyed the whole world. And obviously this syncs with the biblical account. So you find.

This cataclysm mythos.

All over the Earth, and it usually involves floods, earthquakes. It discusses some sort of a global conflict, or at least a conflict in which the gods or the offspring of the gods are involved.

And.

And the annihilation of almost all life on Earth as a consequence of both the conflict and then the cataclysm.

Well, I mean, like, if you had a dad who was a pastor, and I grew up going to the average evangelical Sunday school, you hear about this antediluvian period, this pre flood period, and you basically hear this story, people were really bad. And then God flooded the Earth because people were really bad. And he had to Kind of like cleanse the earth. And it brings to mind maybe people stealing with each other and maybe some big orgies and some murder and anarchy or whatever. But it sounds to me like you're suggesting that it goes a little bit deeper than just people walking around doing bad things to each other.

Yes. And this, by the way, was the Hebrew perspective. Ancient Hebrew cosmology very much included the narrative that I just unfolded. And it's found in the Book of Enoch primarily. And this is what, by the way, not only did the ancient Hebrews, but also during the time of Christ, they were all very much aware of what I call the Enochian tale. In fact, Christ alludes to it and he uses a title, Son of Man, that's not found as a proper title in the Old Testament, but it is featured extensively in the Book of Enoch in these particular messianic prophecies pertaining to him. And so.

The ancient Hebrew perspective, which is where we should be deriving our perspective as Christians if we're going to talk about the pre flood world. But most churches don't because they're simply not well versed in Hebrew cosmology. And from the ancient Hebrew cosmological perspective, they believe that there is this particular incident that occurred in which the sons of God, specifically the, this hierarchy called the Watchers, this group of entities called the Watchers, descended to the earth in the days of Jared. So this is in a pre flood context. And they saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, were comely. This is of course recorded in Genesis 6. But Genesis 6 is merely alluding to a story that everyone already was familiar with and that probably came specifically from the book of Enoch. And so these Watchers, having seen the daughters of men, observed them that they were comely, they lusted after them, they desired to copulate with them and to produce offspring with them. So they descended to the earth on the summit of Mount Hermon. They bound themselves by an oath of mutual imprecations because they knew what they were about to do was a grave transgression. And then they descended.

Into the plains around Hermon and they chose wives from the daughters of men. I think it was a transaction with the, the fathers of these women that they would give, they would teach mankind, they would give mankind knowledge and, and help them in the, in the.

In creating technologies from this knowledge. And in exchange, men would, would give their daughters hands in marriage. They would authorize their daughters to marry them. So there was this Faustian bargain that was struck. And then these Watchers, they copulated with their Wives. The wives conceived and gave birth to giants. And then the giants began to devour mankind. And the technology, the knowledge of the Watchers was.

Was causing all manner of havoc to be unleashed on Earth. And also their offspring were exceedingly evil. And the giants and the empire fractionated this, what I call the empire of the gods. And there was this great conflict, and this was part of their judgment. And I'm really just encapsulating the story here. So there's this great conflict between the offspring of the Watchers, these giants who. Who were likely the kings of these disparate nations that they created. And they went to battle and they almost annihilated each other in this great war. And then came the ultimate judgment, the flood of Noah. So obviously we're tracking almost, we're paralleling the Indian epics and also so many other stories, even Atlantis here. And this, by the way, this is how the ancient Hebrews viewed the pre flood world. This is not some invention. This is exactly how they viewed the ancient, the antediluvian world. And so the fact that evangelical Christians and pastors don't discuss it isn't because it's extra biblical, it's because they're simply not informed of Hebrew cosmology.

Yeah. And it is a little bit overwhelming when you start to think about it. It's interesting, these technologies that you refer to. And I think you have a film, and even though I read most of the book Birthright, where you get into the deep literary and historical context of what you're just talking about regarding the Hebrew historical understanding of these events on the plains of Lebanon and these fallen angels, but many other historical texts as well. But you also have this film, I think it's called the Technology of the Fallen. So I know you've looked into this. What kind of technologies are we talking about that you think traded hands here?

Yeah, I did a film series with a guy named Steve Quayle. We made three films called True Legends.

And in regard to the technology, the way that I view the Antediluvian age.

Is generally speaking, the level of technological development of mankind was probably something like the Bronze Age or the Iron Age. But in the midst of this Iron Age, let's say, civilization, you had these extraterrestrial entities.

Who were on the Earth and their hybrid offspring. And these guys were in possession of advanced technology, technology and superior knowledge.

And so the general masses of humanity were not building flying machines. Rather, the gods and their offspring were building these things and using them to control mankind.

And to build their various Factions, their various kingdoms. That's why I call it the Empire of the Gods.

And.

The Book of Enoch, by the way, describes 200 watchers. And there were 200 watchers who descended in the days of Jared. So it wasn't just a few, it was 200. And these 200 watchers created their own kingdoms on Earth. And this is exactly what Plato says, by the way, that the gods, the story of Atlantis begins with the gods apportioning the Earth among themselves. In other words, all the gods, all these Greek gods are dividing the Earth among themselves, and their intention is to create their own kingdoms. And. And so when you think about all of the kingdoms of these gods collectively, you're looking at an empire of the gods. And they were, you know, friendly in the beginning, but they ended up having conflict and going to war, ultimately. And so I think that there was. There was superior knowledge on Earth to some extent in the antediluvian world, knowledge that the human race probably wasn't supposed to have yet, and caused all kinds of calamity for mankind and also technology. So if you're going to have these extraterrestrial. Advanced extraterrestrial entities called the Watchers, who are coming from somewhere else, coming to the Earth, they're coming with their technology and with their knowledge. So they're introducing into this Iron Age civilization, they're introducing technology that is. That is far surpasses anything we have today, let's say, certainly in regard to their advanced aerospace vehicles and their weaponry and so forth. So you would have a Bronze or Iron Age civilization influenced by extraterrestrial knowledge and technology. And what I like to liken it to is the movie Stargate. I don't know if you remember the movie Stargate with Kurt Moss.

I never saw it.

Back in the 90s.

No, I never saw it.

Yeah. So in the movie Stargate.

They go through this Stargate, and then they find themselves on another planet. And this planet is populated by, like, a Bronze Age Egyptian civilization. And you have all the Egyptian motifs, and these people are worshiping this God, Ra. And Ra happens to be an extraterrestrial. And, you know, the pyramid is actually. This pyramid that he lives in is actually a. You find out it's a. It's an. It's a spaceship. And the Bronze Age civilization is just living like a Bronze Age civilization. They're not themselves in possession of advanced technology, but Ra and his mistake do have advanced technology. So they're governing. They're ruling over this civilization, this Bronze Age civilization with technology and the People, of course, think that these are the powers of the gods and so forth. So we might have had something like that happening in the antediluvian world.

And in fact, I would wager to guess that that's exactly what was happening in the antediluvian world. We had entities in possession of advanced technology. And indeed, you know, when you talk about, from a biblical context, when you talk about quote unquote, fallen angels, and I say quote unquote because fallen angel is a contrivance. It's not that term doesn't appear anywhere in biblical or extra biblical texts. We've just. It's a contrivance really. The way to describe these entities, these fallen angels, is insurgent sons of God or rebellious.

Disobedient sons of God who.

Who have committed an act of insurrection and turned against the kingdom of heaven. So they're the enemies of God. But they look just like the good guys, the bad guys and the good guys. There's no reason to think that they look any different. So quote, unquote, fallen angels aren't these hideous, grotesque beings with horns and pitchforks and wings? No. Rather, they look just like their, just like the other members of their race that is this angelic race, the elder race. They would look very much like us. In fact, we look like them. So they, they, they would look, you know, very human like and be quite beautiful.

More so than, than, than mankind. Although they are exceedingly insidious and wicked. So you don't think they were the enemy.

You don't think they were like lizard people or dragons or serpents or stuff like that?

Although I wouldn't discount the notion that lizard people do exist. And maybe these are also like the Bigfoot creature.

Primordial, sentient creatures that have existed on Earth since time immemorial. So that's a possibility. I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility because going back to the ancient Indians, they also referenced these beings called the Nagas. And you find this reference all over the Earth as well. The Nagas are like a serpentine race of humanoids that are very ancient and have been interacting with mankind for a long time. So you have this, you know, you have this sort of.

Panoply of characters that, that show up in the, in the mythos of, of many different cultures. Like, for example, giants. Giants are ubiquitous. The serpent people are almost ubiquitous. The, the, the sons of God, these, these, these and this angelic race that looks like us, but more beautiful than us. They're also nearly ubiquitous in the legends of these primary cultures all around the world.

And maybe similar to what you were alluding to before, I mean, maybe they, their original physical form, you know, a different realm or whatever, was lizard like or serpent like or reptile like, but they were able to take on the physical form of a more recognizable earthly entity or something like that. You know, like a weird lizard creature inhabiting a human body.

Well, I was going to say, you know, you have to keep in mind that there's advanced technology also in play. So we'll be able to probably, maybe in 100 years, we'll be able to create holographic projections, even change our own appearance holographically. You're not necessarily changing your biology. You're just projecting an appearance that.

Is a projection. So that's also in play. You could have holographic technology all over the place.

And that could be in play. Also in that incident in Peru, you could have holographic projections that appear to be physical things when in fact they're not.

Will be there, as I said, probably in about 100 years.

Well, that actually makes me think because obviously you see, like, I don't know, Graham Hancock or I even think you traveled to, if I'm not mistaken, the high Andean plane in Peru and Bolivia to look at the archaeological evidence of some of these technologies. But do you think they could potentially, I don't know if this is a conspiracy theory or what, but like they could potentially exist in their more complete or less ruined form in places like, I don't know, the Vatican or something like that?

Possibly, yeah, possibly. I think, you know, the Vatican knows. I have a saying in a tagline in one of those films that I did with Steve Quayle that the Vatican knows all the secrets. And that appears to be true. The Vatican intelligence agency, which our intelligence agencies refer to as the entity, the reason why they call it the entity is because it is so vast. It is almost all knowing. It is much. It permeates.

Much deeper than any of our intelligence agencies and all over the world because it's. The Vatican is one of the oldest institutions on Earth, so their intelligence agency is the best on the planet. Obviously.

The Church of Rome has been operating for a very long time for centuries.

And has been intricately involved in.

Almost every single Western nation, if not every Western nation and even some other nations around the world. In the east, for example, the Vatican has had counselors and in fact, the Jesuits. That's one of the reasons why the Jesuit order was formulated. The primary reason why the Jesuit order was formulated was to combat Protestantism.

But also to infiltrate nations. The Jesuits were the most highly educated agents of Rome. And so they served in the councils of kings all over the world, even in the east, because they were so highly educated. And so imagine that going on for hundreds of years. That's why the Vatican's intelligence agency.

Is so well equipped and so well versed in the affairs of so many nations around the world, and especially as it pertains to, let's say, ancient secrets. The Vatican archive is immense. Off the top of my head, I cannot remember how large it is. I think it's like it's over a mile long or something. It's absolutely men's. And I'm talking about the one, the secret one under the ground. It's not secret in the sense that nobody knows about it. It's secret in the sense that it's almost impossible to get access to it. And it's full of manuscripts, very ancient manuscripts and artifacts. And so I think that were the archives of the Vatican to be opened.

It would demand a rewriting of history to some extent, man.

I think that's bigger than the Smithsonian. Kind of explains why the best gelato in the world you can find outside the walls of the Vatican, which I've been to, They've got all the ancient technology secrets to the best gelato.

That's crazy. The secrets to the best gelato? Yeah, man.

Have you ever been there, to the Vatican, or tried to get access to some of the hidden chambers?

Multiple times.

Yeah, that'd be interesting. I was asking if you've ever tried to get access to any hidden chambers or if that's even a reality.

It's very difficult to get clearance to go into the archives. Some people have, but only in certain areas. They don't let you just peruse the archives. They give you access to particular segments of the archives at a time. But, my God, that would be. I mean, really, it wouldn't do me or you much good because most of what they have in there is written in Latin and Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic and who knows what else. So we would be mostly interested in looking at the artifacts. Do the. Does the Vatican, for example, have the bones of giants? I would say, unequivocally, they have the bones of giants. And I don't mean some random femur or something. I think they have full skeletons of giants. You know, 50 giants.

You could theoretically do, like, a genomic reconstruction with that type of data of, like, a fallen angel or nephilim or at least the nephilim human being combination.

That's a very good point. And I'll bet that's been done.

Well, that's interesting because, you know, the Vatican. Because I'm to a certain extent involved in the anti aging longevity and age hacking industry. And obviously there tends to be some overlap between that and transhumanism. And the Vatican actually hosted the last huge anti aging transhumanism longevity enhancing event. And it kind of makes me wonder if there's actually some research or some great interest there going on based on this technology in terms of potential for, you know, decreased human mortality or even immortality or something like that.

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. I wouldn't doubt it. I think that transhumanism is a fundamental part of the new religion which is coming, which I write about my book. And I think that that new religion is going to be. It's going to be. What's the word I'm looking for here? It's, it's going to be ushered in and guided by the Church of Rome.

Or at least the Church of Rome is going to have a significant role in crafting the doctrine of this new religion. And this new religion is. I coined a phrase in my book called apotheotheism, and I believe that describes the new religion. Apotheo comes from the word, it derives from the word apotheosis. And apotheosis means the glorification or deification of man. So man becoming a God. And theism obviously is the belief in the gods. And so when you combine.

Apotheosis with theism and you get apotheotheism, what you're describing is a scenario in which a religion in which the existence of the gods is embraced and man himself is attempting to become like the gods. That is apotheotheism. It is the belief that the gods exist and we shall become like them.

Yeah, I mean, I'm no conspiracy theorist and I embrace science and technology, but when I look at the surge in divination and possession involved with the increasing kind of like necromancy that previously would have been, you know, the realm of priests and is now available to the common people with artificial intelligence, genetic engineering, transhumanism, and, you know, a lot of these technologies seeming to rise at the same time, this idea of humans being at the verge, perhaps to a greater extent than we have in history, of achieving some kind of superhuman like state seems like it could be a reality.

Oh yes, there's no question about it. And we're going to advance quite a bit in the next decade, next decades in regard to genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence and nanotechnology specifically, but also a host of other technologies that are associated with those. But we are, we. The technology is being developed exponentially. We hear a lot about artificial intelligence because it's sort of the, it's the sexiest technology being developed right now. And it's very practical. It's the most practical right now because we don't all have access to genetic modification, but we can all play with artificial intelligence. We can all go on ChatGPT and use it to write a report or something like that, or go on to midjourney and create amazing images through using artificial intelligence in a matter of 30 seconds. So, but that's, but, so that's sort of, like I said, that's sort of like the sexy.

Technology that's apparent to everyone out in the open. But what's happening under the radar is you have nanotechnology being developed under the radar and you have, you have genetic technologies being developed under the radar which are going to come together. So a technologist called this age that we are currently living in, they call it the hybrid age. And the reason why they call it the hybrid age is because all of these various technological streams have been developing independently. Genetics, robotics, artificial intelligence, nanotechnology, to name a few. But right now, something very interesting is happening. These technologies are converging. So you can imagine these streams converging into a river and this convergence, they're coming together. So you're going to be able to combine artificial intelligence with nanotechnology, with genetic modification, with robotics. Right. And which includes cybernetics. When you, when you combine these technologies together, what you have effectively is the power to literally remake our biology in whatever image we see fit. So we will literally be able to redesign human biology and indeed not only redesign human biology, but supersede to.

Evolve ourselves into something other than human beings. Is what I'm trying to say. To become post human, we will have the power to.

Manipulate the next step in our directed evolution and create something other than a human being. A post human that is no longer, can no longer really be described as human.

Yeah. And if you believe that human beings are inherently good, I don't think that's that scary of a notion. It's kind of cool actually. But if you look at like the, what, what was likely going on back when the nephilim or these, these, you know, fallen angels who bred with humankind, ruling the world in terms of the sectoring of the earth and human beings serving as servants and slaves to them, all the way down to the, you know, the German attempts in the 40s to develop a superhuman race. You don't see things working out very well when one certain sector of humanity gets extreme power in terms of the amount of love and empathy extended towards the fellow human beings who might be under their influence, under their power.

No. And the problem here is we're also setting the stage for complete technocratic control over society. We're giving technocrats the tools with which to absolutely control every facet of human existence. And that. That's really.

There's no way to avoid that. That's going to happen at some point. But I think in this, in this day and age, we need to ask two fundamental questions before we launch ourselves into this post human, what I view as post human apocalypse. And that is, number one, what does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be a human being? Is there something intrinsically important about being human? And number two.

Should we preserve our humanity? Is there something intrinsically important about preserving our humanity? So what does it mean to be human? And based on the conclusion we draw, should we be concerned about preserving our humanity? Are there reasons to be concerned about losing the genetic trademarks that make us human? And I make the case in my book, that's why it's called birthright, by the way, because there's a birthright associated with us being human and it's dominion of the earth. So there are consequences to abandoning the trademarks, the genetic trademarks of Adam and transitioning into something that is post Adam, post human.

There are very consequential.

Theological principles at work here as it pertains to those two questions. What does it mean to be human? And is our humanity worth preserving? And so this is something, by the way, that these two questions have. These questions have not had to have been had to be contemplated by previous generations. We're the first generation that has to actually ask these questions. What does it mean to be human? And is our humanity worth preserving? No one else has had to contemplate this because they didn't have the technological tools to remake human biology. But we do. Or at least we will in the coming decades.

Yeah, it's a little bit murky. It's like, where do you cross the line from ceramic hip implants that allow somebody to go out and, you know, play baseball with their grandkids to, you know, how do you kind of decide if neuralink is appropriate, if that's appropriate, or, you know, back to the ayahuasca thing? Yeah, you're tweaking some dials in your brain. But what about when you have a cup of coffee or chew a piece of nicotine gum? I mean, there's a lot of murkiness when it comes down to the definition of what is human or what puts humans in a state of. In which their, their faculties or their spirit is compromised. Honestly, that's just why I pray for wisdom every day. Because I know we're entering into a kind of. Kind of crazy next few decades, and there are some unanswered questions that I just. I just go to God every day and ask for wisdom and protection, you know?

Right. And our kids are really going to be dealing with this more than us and, and more than that, our grandkids. And so.

It is a good question, and it's a question that I can't answer. Where's the line between human and non human? I think right now, the kind of technologies we're playing with, you know, we're not. We're only seeing the very beginning of where this is going. Neuralink. You know, in, in. I would say in about 10 years from now.

Many human beings will be. Will be perusing the Internet with their brains. Not. They will not be using their fingers. They will be using their brains. They will literally be thinking the Internet.

In the same way that we go on to Mid Journey. For those who've played with Mid Journey, the, the AI that, the Discord version of AI that, that you can produce whatever images that, that you can come up with in terms of the prompts. So when on Mid Journey and on all of these artificial intelligence platforms that produce images, you have to go in and you have to prompt the artificial intelligence. You have to prompt the AI so you have to tell it. For example, I did the other day, just to show my kids Ninja Turtle playing a guitar. And it just created these amazing images in 30 seconds, which just absolutely amazing. It would have taken an artist a week to make one of these. And, and so we're going in with our fingers and we're prompting it. We're typing out, you know, Ninja Turtle playing guitar. Well, in 10 years, you won't type anything. You'll just think it and it'll be instantaneous. And the artificial intelligence will be so fast that, that you will think Ninja Turtle playing guitar. And as soon as you formulate the thought, the image will appear. That's where we're headed.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

Weird eyes and six fingers. Because the computer still kind of f things up, but it's. Yeah, it's kind of eerie, kind of cool, but kind of eerie. You know, it's my. My sons and I, we have a new game design company or maybe making card games and board games. We've actually found for some of the illustrations, a little bit of AI here and there to add something or visualize something before we draw it ourselves on the drop pad has come in handy. But yeah, I think some of this stuff is stuff that people need to know about and be aware of. And, dude, we're running short of time. But I mean, you have this book Birthright, and then you have these three films, the Technology of the Fallen, the Unholy Sea, the Holocaust of the Giants. You have this vast repository of videos on YouTube and elsewhere. I'm actually pretty happy and grateful I'm able to introduce some of your stuff to my audience and the people listening in because it's pretty cool stuff. Like, I really like that book Birthright. So if people are listening in, I'm going to link to all this stuff@BenGreenfieldLife.com Birthright, which is again, the name of Tim's book. And Tim, you got any other crazy adventures planned just before I let you go?

Yeah, I'm going to Guatemala. I'm going to Costa Rica. I'm doing an event in Costa Rica. I'm always going places, investigating things. I've got literary, other literary projects in the works, film projects. I'm leaving tomorrow, actually, to go on a film to. To film for a week in Missouri. Content related to Giants, by the way.

Wow.

And so I'm. I'm always running all over the place. People can track with me on YouTube. I've got my Birthright lecture series on YouTube. That's sort of a primer to the book.

That's where I found you.

I'm on Twitter. I'm on. I'm on. I'm on Twitter. I'm on. What's it called? Instagram. And I've got a website, Timothy Albrino.com and I'm always doing something. And I do have, like, for example, we. I'm doing an event in Costa Rica in February. And so I'm always doing stuff like that. If people are ever interested in anything like that. I just got done doing a public expedition to Peru.

We had a fantastic time. We visited the megaliths. And so you can track with me on social media or sign up for my mailing list on my website if you're ever interested in joining one of those expeditions.

Cool. I'll talk to you offline. I'LL be in Costa Rica in February, actually, so I'll get more information on that. And in the meantime, giants in Missouri. You heard it here first, so check it out@BenGreenfieldLife.com Birthright look up Tim. You can even go on one of his ventures with him, as you just heard. So, Tim, thanks so much, man.

Hey, thank you, Ben. Anytime. It was a. It was fun.