From Divorce & Financial Ruin To Becoming A Healthy Parent, Nature-Schooling, and More...

My name is Ben Greenfield, and on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life Podcast, constant depletion.

Not knowing, not being educated, not being resourceful, not having the tools, having no idea that growing a baby depletes me of so many. Like I download what 70% of my minerals to my child while I'm pregnant.

Faith, family, fitness, health, performance, nutrition, longevity, ancestral living, biohacking, and a whole lot more. Welcome to the show.

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She's a pretty well known wellness and health authority. She was an international model from the time she was 18 years old. And that led to a lot of interesting developments along the way that she's going to share with you on today's show. Her name is Angie Fletcher. Angie Fletcher. And everything we talk about the shownotes are going to be at BenGreenfieldLife.com Fletcher F L E T C H E R Like a lot of these interviews with the people who are featured in Boundless Parenting, I didn't want to just rehash everything that she covers in that chapter about her experience as a single mother and then a married mother and the elements of her parenting approach that are unique and the educational and disciplinary approaches that she's used. Rites of passages, teaching her children about raising their own children a whole lot more. But I also want to get into her own pretty unique and I think pretty inspiring backstory. So we're going to jump into all that and plenty more. Angie, welcome to the show.

Hi. Thank you so much for having me. Those intros are always so crazy.

Yeah, well, I do my best. I try to strike a balance between making you look really good and just making stuff up about you.

So I appreciate both.

Yeah, yeah. Hopefully I was mildly accurate. So you actually have a pretty crazy story leading up to the point you even became a parent. You were a model, huh?

I was, yeah. I mean, I grew up kind of very, very, I would call it normal middle class. Other than my dad died when I was 10. When I was 11. Sorry. So I grew up very, very normal. German, Swiss parents living in Canada. All the normal things that I thought was normal, like, you know, eating Lucky charms in the morning. And.

For me it was Captain Crunch. But I get you.

Yeah, exactly. Well, to be accurate, it was like no name fruit loops. But anyway, my mom would shove a tablespoon of cod liver oil down my throat before I left for school. And then I'd be burping up fish oil. But that was like the healthiest part of my growing up was that 1 tablespoon of cod liver oil. Other than that, my mom, because she was a widow at 38, she did the best she could with the tools that she had. And so, you know, we went to. We grocery shopped on discount Tuesdays once every month and got what we needed. A lot of it was frozen. We lived in the upper northwest of Canada, so I always thought that I was just, you know, my mom kind of labeled me as dark, as dramatic as not depressed, but we didn't really know that word back then.

But just very dark. I was very low.

Had a ton of physical ailments, like my period. I had period cramps so severe for three days out of the month that I'd be in the fetal position. I missed school three days.

But it's probably all a cod liver oil, by the way.

Yeah, exactly.

A multifaceted stuff happening. But for me, what I look back on now is a lot of my grief, my.

Untalked about grief turned physical for me, which now we know that there's obviously such a connection between physical and emotional and mental, spiritual health, all of that. But back then, I didn't. So my missing three days, a month of school really was my body processing as a young girl, a pubescent girl who lost her father, her hero. And so it was almost like my body giving me those three days to allow myself to be in the fetal position and cry and really grieve my dad. I didn't make that connection until 20 years later. But looking back.

I was hypoglycemic. I was labeled all these things, which really, again, was just depletion for me because I didn't have the right nutrients, I didn't have movement, I didn't have all these things, didn't have sunshine, didn't have all these things in my life that I do now. I went through school, I became a model at 18 and started working internationally and started living in Europe. I moved to New York. I got married at 19 to another model, and we lived in New York. We lived a blissfully naive, happy time. Had my baby in New York. I started my mothering journey, my motherhood journey, when I was 24.

Now, I gotta ask you real quick, like being a model and then getting pregnant and having a baby, did you have a lot of the common nutritional deficiencies, like fatty acid deficiencies, you know, the hypothyroidism from low calorie intake? Like a lot of those things you would expect from being a model?

No, no, I didn't at all. Because I ate about a tub and a half of chubby hubby Ben and Jerry's every night. So I got some good calories in that way. Yeah.

No, I had zero Clue zero about nutrition. Nothing. My postpartum season with my first was.

Almost as horrific as it gets with postpartum depression, which again, now I know is postpartum depletion. But I talk about my first postpartum time as one of the darkest times of my life.

And don't really need to get into it here much because I go over it a lot on my website and in different places, but just depletion, constant depletion. Not knowing, not being educated, not being resourceful, not having the tools, having no idea that growing a baby depletes me of so much. Like I download what, 70% of my minerals to my child while I'm pregnant. So many things. I had no idea how to recover myself. Just thinking, oh, everything's about the baby. Everything's about the baby.

You mean after you had your baby, you didn't know how to replenish?

No. Even during, I mean, I was, like I said, I was 24, I was a model. I had no idea about anything nutritionally wise. I would not eat to stay in the sample size. I didn't know anything. This was 25 years ago. Wait, I'm not 50, I'm 44. This was 20 years ago.

Should have included that in your bio. So even before you had the baby or during as a model, you didn't experience anything in terms of that you would label nutritional deficiencies from being excessively lean or anything like that?

Absolutely, yeah. Again, because I didn't know anything else. I grew up so old school and so calories in, calories out. And for me, staying a sample size, I was taught normal model size, I'm 5 10, but to stay a 0 or a 2 for me, I just became anorexic. And I hate labeling it that because obviously that's so severe, but I really was, I was so deficient, which obviously aided to my depression and my anxiety because I would eat like I would walk all day long in Germany, going on go sees, going on castings, working, and I would eat maybe half an apple dipped in some Nutella and like that. That would be my nutrition. And then, you know, again, not knowing anything about cycles, hormones, female cycles. I would then start craving pasta and then I would binge on pasta. And it was, yeah, it was me not having any tools, not having any resources and just trying to stay in a sample size, which would mean that I didn't eat.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I was reading a story on your website about how you wound up in the hospital after, like the fireman had to come into your Apartment. You were on the bathroom floor naked. Was that before or after you had your baby?

That was after my first baby. That was after my divorce, actually. So that's about cutting to. That's like 10 years later, around.

So I had our baby in New York. We moved to Los Angeles. I got separated in Los Angeles and divorced. And as a Christian, you know, growing up, I didn't have any family members that were divorced. The D word certainly wasn't in my vocabulary at all growing up. So getting a divorce for me seemed much more extreme than for a lot of other people. It seemed a lot more dramatic because I stopped talking to my mother for three years. She didn't agree with my divorce, so I stopped talking to her because I knew that I had to go through that divorce.

And so during that time when I wasn't speaking to my mother and I was alone with my baby going through financial hardship because my ex husband wasn't. Anyway, I don't need to throw him under the bus, but I definitely was going through a lot of financial hardships. So I was in this one bedroom apartment and my husband at the time, my ex husband was. We shared custody. So at the time that I didn't have him, I lived for him. I did everything for my son, like, everything. And when I didn't have him, those were times where I turned to substance abuse. So I was doing a lot of stuff that ended me in the bathroom in my apartment alone. And it was so small that I was sitting on the toilet. I had massive diarrhea. At the same time, I was vomiting in the sink because the sink was that little pedestal sink that was quite close to the toilet. So I was kind of like coming out from both ends until I ended up passing out. And I don't know how I grabbed my phone, I don't remember, but I grabbed my phone, called 911, and the next thing. You know those traumatic moments in your life where all you really have is memories are those like little flashes of memories?

Yeah.

So I remember a guy, I remember a male voice coming in and then he had to call a female.

Not attendant. He had to call a female because I was naked, covered in my own feces and who knows what else. But so, yeah.

At one of the lowest points in my life where I couldn't even afford to pay my rent, I ended up with a. Probably around a $10,000ambulance bill and stayed the night in the hospital as they were resuscitating me and filling me with IVs and all that.

It was a Dark, dark time. That was a low wellness moment for me. But it was one of those pillars, one of those foundational pillars that just changed the trajectory of my life. Either.

It was either I could keep on living that life, or I knew that I had to make a change. I had to stop doing stuff that didn't happen overnight. It still was a couple years after that, but I started making changes. Quitting smoking and just making little changes that led to huge lifestyle changes.

Yeah. So how long did it take you to get from that point to starting to jump into things like triathlons and really become almost like a wellness authority? What happened that kind of pushed you in that direction?

I wouldn't call myself an authority by any means. I definitely am an expert in my own experience. And triathlon saved my life by far. The only thing everyone asked me how I quit smoking. Because now, of course, we're in a season where anxiety is so prevalent that people turn to old habits or new habits to try and soothe that. And for me, the only thing that helped me quit smoking was doing something that was harder than quitting. Because I tried to quit for over a year and I would throw the pack in the garbage, I would throw them in the sink, and then I would go back in the middle of the night and ground in the garbage can to try and find that half of a butt and still smoke.

I wasn't able to quit until I completely changed my lifestyle and training for triathlon. Doing those six to eight hour rides where you think you're gonna die, but you still have to make it home. So you find a way that mental and physical training was harder than quitting. So quitting seemed easier. And that's kind of how I lived the rest of my life. I kept on doing hard things so that what once was hard now became easier because I've done something harder.

Yeah, yeah. And at what point along the way did you get remarried and start a new family?

So my.

I've been married now for eight years. So my.

So funny, right? Covid makes you like, skip time. We're like, wait, that was three years ago. No, it was five years ago. So doing triathlon. My coach in triathlon was a guy that I knew from 20 years prior and he coached me and he was going through a divorce at the same time, and we became good friends again, rekindled, and then fell in love. And. And so I got married to him probably about eight years ago. My mom died six years ago, and right after my mom died, I got pregnant and subsequently pregnant again. So I had two babies back to back.

So the guy that you married, you're talking about Arland? Is that how you pronounce his name?

Yeah, Arland.

Okay, cool. And you guys operate this whole wellness website now. But he was originally a triathlon coach.

No, he was originally a model as well. He was a farm boy. Grew up on a farm, a huge family farm, and was discovered much the same way that I was up in Canada, just kind of doing his thing and then was catapulted into the international world of modeling, which used to be.

Before Instagram modeling. Modeling actually used to be a thing where he used to travel and actually be this international model. So he was a very, very well known model. Modeled for every designer. Like he was the classic Zoolander. Like the classic Zoolander. Lived in New York, Louisiana, Europe, everywhere.

And then he started doing triathlon as well, which he was always very athletic. So living in New York as a model, you worked out at the Reebok Club. And it was just kind of part of that lifestyle of being a model. As a male model especially, he was very fit. And his wife at the time was doing triathlons. So he started doing triathlons as well.

And started coaching me and he taught me how to swim.

I was terrified of the water, like, beyond terrified. I couldn't even open my eyes in the water because I remember my brother used to tell me that in the back where those filters were, that's where the killer whales, that's what kept the killer whales. So I couldn't even open my eyes in the pool, never mind in open water. And because of my husband now, who was my coach at the time, I actually did escape from Alcatraz Triathlon and came in first place as an age grouper in the Los Angeles Triathlon, where they had such overwhelming waves at the time that they rescued over 200 people in the water. And I became quite a strong swimmer, just again from constantly overcoming, constantly doing hard things.

And then I went to China for Worlds and came in sixth place on the bike because cycling is my passion. I used to bike with my dad, so that was kind of a connection to him. And so I did that for years and years, probably around 10 years, was one of the top age group athletes. I never went pro just because I was too old. I started in my 30s. So I didn't, you know, I didn't. I never got my pro card. But it was, like I said, it saved my life. Triathlon saved my life because it became my lifestyle, training became my lifestyle. And I, I stopped Going to parties. I stopped. I was in a big celebrity circle in Hollywood, and when I was smoking and drinking and partying, I just had to quit that lifestyle in order to overcome my social anxiety because once I quit smoking, I couldn't go out anymore because I had such social anxiety because I didn't know what to do with my hands and with quitting smoking. I also quit drinking because the two went hand in hand. There was such a wire in my brain that when I had. When I had a glass of wine, I had to have a cigarette because it was like the pairing of the two was just so amazing for me that to this day, it's very hard for me to have a glass of wine without craving a cigarette.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like you discovered and you brought up the movie, so I'm going to throw out the line from it that there's a lot more to life than being really, really, ridiculously good looking.

Yeah, a lot more.

I'm pretty sure that's Derek Zoolander, and he plans on finding out what that is.

Nice quote.

Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of good quotes in that movie that.

You Googlies. Yeah. Delivering to you. Googly. Yep.

Yeah.

So anyways, you raised your first son. His name was Oliver, right? Or is Oliver.

Yes, Oliver J. Yeah.

And one thing that I thought was really interesting in your contribution to the parenting book was where you talked about the kind of like, the tiny traditions that you formed as a single mother, like the things that you did with him to. To come closer together. And that's like a repeated theme I saw a lot in Boundless was parents stepping out of the way to create these traditions and rituals, even if they were small. Tell me a little bit about the traditions that you had with Oliver.

Yeah, it's so cool. First of all, I didn't even thank you so much for having me be a part of that book. I think it's such an incredible tool for parents because there is no tool book. Right. There is no one book. And you putting this together with however many parents, I just love that it's this one tool box that people can go and see what different people are doing and that it's not. Parenting is no one size fits all. Nothing is. Obviously.

Yeah. That was the goal, by the way, was like, I wanted you in there because you have experience as a single mother, as a divorced mother, and then later on as a married mother. And I didn't want to just have my voice or my wife's voice or. Or say, I also was raised Christian. I know a lot of pastors and teachers who are Christians. They have a different perspective than others. And I wanted to get a full spectrum of people. So I have everybody from Paul Check who has two wives, to single fathers, to divorced mothers, to a whole subset of people so that people can kind of borrow from the best of the best. And, yeah, one thing about that is the traditions and the rituals. So what kind of stuff did you do with Oliver?

Yeah, well, it's so fun, like I said, answering those questions because it feels like a million years ago.

He's almost 20, so it was a full lifetime ago for me.

I did such different things in that season of my life than I do now in this new parenting season for me. Back then, 15 years ago, I didn't have any money, so I remember being so embarrassed because I was driving in the car with a guy at the time and Oliver was in the backseat. And we were driving up La Brea Boulevard in Hollywood, and we passed the Dollar store, and Ollie from the backseat goes, oh, mom, look, it's your favorite store. And I was like.

Kids, say the truth. And because I would go there, that's where I would grocery shop with him. That's where we would get all of our supplies. And so he knew that store. And life was. It was really, really hard, but it was also extremely simple. So on Friday nights, some of our little rituals would be we would roller skate, and he would ride his little bike to Blockbuster. Again, aging myself, but we would ride our bikes to Blockbuster, go and get a movie, and then on the way home, we would grab ice cream and come home and make little root beer floats while we watched a movie. And, you know, again, for me, at the time, I was so embarrassed and so low and depressed because I was like, oh, all my friends are, you know, taking their kids to Disneyland and taking their kids here and there. And here I am on Friday night, all I can afford is to rent a movie, you know, and sit down with him. And it's funny because also what I found in parenting is our kids have such a different perspective as we do than we do. So as Oliver was growing up, I would ask him, like, hey, what do you remember? Because I remember that time being so dark. And I remember putting him to bed early so I could smoke my cigarettes out on the balcony. And he just remembers these sweet, different things. So my ex husband stayed in the big million dollar house that we had in Hollywood, and I decided to leave. And I just had a mattress on the floor in our little apartment, and Ollie just He literally tells me. He's like, mom, I had the sweetest time with you because our apartment was so small. I felt so close to you. I felt like I was all that mattered. And we would have sleepovers on the mattress on the floor. Cause we didn't have ac, so there was a little upstairs and a downstairs. We would bring the mattress down for the entire summer and sleep on the floor. And he remembers that as being such a sweet time. And I look back at it now too, going, oh my goodness, that was a sweet time. Yeah, because it was just little simple things became. Became big traditions because it was just us.

Yeah.

You know, there wasn't these big distractions.

Yeah, it's a really good point. Like, we. We think that our kids need like fancy epic vacations to, you know, some exotic beach locale or a different country or even a different state. And like, this is fresh on my mind because we recently had kind of a little bit of a nightmare where we were going to take a family vacation to Costa Rica. And this was like a week and a half ago. We flew all the way to Costa Rica and got turned around and sent home at immigrations because somehow my passport had been reported as lost or stolen, which is crazy because I just traveled with it the month prior. So there is some kind of snafu in their system. And their protocol there was they just send you packing on the first flight back to the U.S. they flew us back to Newark, then we had to fly to Denver. And we eventually, like 30 hours later, got back to Spokane. And so now I'm sitting at home with my sons who were expecting this amazing vacation to Costa Rica. And I thought, well, I gotta make this a special week for them. And we wound up doing basically like card games and board games every night, going out to little diners and local hotspots for acai bowls and waffle brunches.

We did an escape room. We went on hikes almost every day. We would do like breath work in the sauna in the evenings. We watched a couple of movies and had like movie dinner nights. We did a couple of one on one date nights. And you know, all in maybe during that entire week, we. We probably spent like, maybe $250 more than we would have spent during a normal week at home, just making a special week for them. But, you know, it was basically just like a staycation and they loved it. You know, we got to the end of the week and they were like, this was probably better than Costa Rica. And we were just at home the whole Time just making do in our local community. And I mean, kids just want to be with their parents. And this is a repeated theme in the book. They want presence, they want time, and they really don't care if it's in some spendy hot spot halfway across the globe.

Yeah, I totally agree. I think it's totally the opposite. I think that they want that simple life. It's the intention behind it. You know, my kids have no idea if they're in the middle of Africa or if they're in a tent in our front yard because their imaginations are so huge that we think we need all these big things and all this extroverted stuff where really, if you sit down, like, all my daughter wants to do is talk with her little Barbies or her little cars. Mama, can you talk cars? Mama, can you talk rocks? Like, their imagination is so huge that often when we think of all these things that we have to do for them, we're actually stunting their imagination, you know, like making a movie out of a book or doing something instead of just sitting there and, you know, putting little twinkle lights in their. In their room and making it this African safari.

Yeah, yeah. And granted, like, there is something mind expanding about travel for both children and adults. When we do travel, leading up to any vacation that we go on, we make it a point to cook foods from the area. Like, if it's a. If it's like a. An international hotspot. Like, if we're going to, I don't know, Japan or Thailand, we'll cook meals from that region. We'll do language studies. Like, we're currently, like 100 some days in the Duolingo because we're going to go ride our bikes in Italy this summer and we'll study the history of that place. And it fits perfectly with, like homeschooling or unschooling. This idea of using travel as a lot more than just hopping on a plane and going to the place. Right. There's months and months leading up or making it a part of the educational experience and the unknown elements of travel. Having to speak new languages, go to new places, figure out, you know, how to get there via planes, trains, and automobiles. I think a lot of that's very mind expanding for a kid or an adult. But at the same time, yeah, some.

Parents put pressure on.

Yeah, exactly. I think some parents just, they put pressure on themselves thinking that that's what you have to do for a special time for a kid. And like, we had this dream when our kids were young of being that nomadic family who would work on the beach in Thailand from our laptops while our kids, you know, ran around with the monkeys or whatever. And we realized, like, there's kind of like a dark side to hypermobility. Like, it's hard on kids. Circadian rhythms. They don't form roots in the local community. There's. There's so much in your local community that you take for granted and don't go out and explore, like the museums and the restaurants and, you know, and the classes and the things that are right there under your nose, because you're kind of like, you know, glancing sideways at the Joneses who are traveling all over the world and thinking that's what your kids need. But I don't think any parent needs to guilt trip themselves. 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If you're already in Phoenix or the Sedona area, you know where you're going. So here's the address. BenGreenfieldLife.com ShineSedona that's BenGreenfieldLife.com forward/Shines Sedona. You can get in, you can grab your ticket. There's different ticket levels. There's the tickets for the VIP dinner experience. You can even attend virtually at a fraction of the cost if you can't make it there live, even though there's a lot of cool things happening, of course, if you are there live. So one more time. BenGreenfieldLife.com ShineSedona if you don't know how to spell Sedona, just go Google that. Shine Sedona. I hope to see you there. All right. I've worked to achieve many things in life, but my greatest yet most humbling work, I think, has been with my role as a father. Parenting is blissful. It's brutal. It's far beyond anything I ever could have anticipated. My sons are now teenagers and. 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What I always say in my stories on Instagram is do what you can in the season you're in because everything that you're talking about with expansion and travel and everything leading up to it, if I took that as a parenting goal when I was single, going through a divorce where I didn't want to move five miles from my ex husband because my goal as a single mother to be able to alleviate my guilt of actually leaving and separating the family. I stayed close to my ex husband so that my boy could grow up with his dad. So those were my choices, but I certainly would. I couldn't give them the life that I would have wanted to, which is exactly what you described. But there's seasons and I'm now able to give my children a different life than my firstborn. I almost have like a little bit of. I'm like a grandma now because I'm able to make different choices. But do what you can in the season you're in, because anything that you do, you can be intentional with that and your children will thrive.

And you talk about that in the chapter how Oliver went to public school in Los Angeles just because that was the decision that you had to make. But now your other kids, you have two other kids right now, right?

Yeah, I have a five year old and a four year old.

Yeah. And in the book, you talk about how now you're homeschooling them and nature schooling them. And I think you use the term world schooling them at home there in Texas. So I'm curious, what's that look like now in terms of the type of educational experiences that your two younger kids are having, especially in terms of nature schooling and world schooling. I'd love to hear you explain a little bit more about what those are.

Yeah, again, it's totally just a different season than I'm in, so I'm able to give from a different place. And again, parenting, dual parenting is a lot easier in some aspects. In other aspects it's not because when you're a single parent, you are able to just do whatever you want and not have someone check you on it and not be frustrated at night because the dad's keeping the kids up when you're like, the kids need to go to bed and you're frustrated. So there's pros and cons to both. Right. But right now with our kids.

We'Re just outside all the time. We're building our homestead here. So my five year old boy knows how to use a chainsaw. He knows how to use a bulldozer, an excavator, a skid steer, he knows how to chop wood, he knows how to make a fire, like at 5 years old, where careful, you're going to.

Have a social worker wind up at your door with a chainsaw comment there.

Believe me, I get in trouble in my DMs all the time because I show him driving this big machinery, but he just knows how to do that. But he also, he's also not right now, but he's gonna know how to ferment his own bread and how to make his own bread. And my kids are both gonna know how to. I don't know how much. Well, I can say a lot on here. You always say a lot. They're both gonna know how to shoot a gun, how to protect themselves, how to do what you do with your kids as well. Just so many different hands on things that Oliver wasn't able to experience hands on and wasn't able to make that connection because it was just so such a different regimented idea. And for my kids, they're so confident in doing what they know how to do because they don't have any tests telling them what they're good at or what they're not.

So they're still young. Obviously, we're going to be doing kind of more of a regimented thing as they get older, but for right now, we're honestly just outside 90% of their waking hours. They're outside, they're just playing, they're exploring, they're working with us, they're doing chores, they have a schedule. It's basically our home schedule. And while we're out there, we're counting rocks, we're adding rocks, we're subtracting rocks, we're multiplying trees, we're just doing everything where they're learning math and learning different skills.

Now, do you have a general idea? And the reason I ask this is Washington state, for example, where we are homeschooling, unschooling. They have a list of 12 core subjects that a child has to demonstrate proficiency in. And then there's also the fact that if they want to go to a college or university, there's certain elements of an entrance exam that they might have to understand, like, let's say algebra or calculus or logic or some element of, say, like computer programming or science, chemistry, physics, et cetera. How do you tackle that? How do you make sure that they're also learning what it is that the world, so to speak, kind of expects them to need to know for success later on in life if they do need to jump through the hoops. Like, do you, do you keep track of that at all? Do you have like a plan or a curriculum in any rough format at all?

I will.

I don't right now because we're just doing so much with our business and with starting over here in Texas. But I absolutely will. There's tons of books, there's tons of resources online, like just for your area, just for our area here of Texas, because everything's, like you said, different in every state. So once I get more specific, which is within this year because Alakai is turning six this year. So within this year we'll definitely be looking into all of that because, yeah, we're not just completely off the grid.

We're in society. We're doing it here. We want to do it right for them, but yeah, we'll be looking into all that. I just don't have anything right now?

Yeah, we try to check a balance. So what we do is we usually set things up as like quarterly blocks, almost like quarterly semesters. And each of those at the beginning and we have a meeting with our kids and this person who we hired to kind of like be the educational coordinator to help us like keep track of everything on a spreadsheet. And they scan their journals and their activities for each day and send them to her. And she makes sure that we not only have pretty robust records to where we could demonstrate what it is that they've learned each day, day or each week or month or block. But then she also figures out, okay, well, they've shown an interest in, let's say, like glassblowing. So which part of this year is going to be a good one for them to go in and enter a glassblowing class? Or These are the 12 core subjects that Washington State requires them to be studying. Which block are they going to? Or which time of the day or time of the week are they going to actually do those things that might not be the intense passions and interests and desires that they have, like, let's say math or learning a language like Spanish or physics or chemistry. So there's a little bit of programming in there to where they'll wake up and there's typically a couple of one hour blocks during the day where they are learning in a more traditional sense the word. Like they're actually with books or with an online tutor or taking an online class or doing something that would be considered traditional education. But then aside from those couple of hours, like everything else is based on them, in our meetings with them and with their educational coordinator explaining to us what it is that they're actually really, really interested in, what it is they're curious about. And then us figuring out activities in the local community or tutors or online classes or things we can order from Amazon in terms of like games or books or toys or projects for them to do during the day. And then the other thing is that there's also things that you might come across as a parent that you think would be cool for your kids to learn. Like, for me, a lot of times it's books, right? So for example, I just finished the Creative act by Rick Rubin and both of my sons. Great book, by the way. Both my sons, they're really into writing fiction, they're really into making music, they're super into art. And so I knew right off the bat, oh, there's a lot of really good information in this book as far as co writing and co authoring, you know, working with other collaborators on a project, expressing your true authentic art versus what you think the world expects, looking at things from a passion standpoint versus a monetization standpoint, et cetera. And so typically what I do is each month there'll be one new book that I've read that I then take them through. And usually it's like right before we have dinner with, we go through and cover the chapter, the couple of chapters from that book that they've read. We have a discussion about it before dinner, and then typically they're writing some kind of a book report on that book. Another example would be like, I recently discovered some videos that I like from a guy named Dennis Prager, who runs Prageru, and these little five minute videos. And so when I discover something like that, I will email their educational coordinator. I'll say, hey, these are really cool videos. I want my sons to be able to watch them too. And then she'll look over their schedule and be like, okay, so there's a, these are five minute long videos. So she'll be like, oh, they have a morning slot on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, during which they could squeeze in that five minute video and then write down in their journal that they then scan later on and send to her like one paragraph of what they learned from that. And so it's like this, it's this balance between what the world expects them to know that they do need to know if they want to like go to college later on or pass an entrance exam or something like that, plus what they've expressed in terms of their own passions and interests and desires, which is honestly like probably 70% of what they do, plus what you've discovered as a parent that they might not have discovered on their own, but that you think would be really, really beneficial for them and you figuring out a way to finally squeeze that into the day. So those are kind of like the three elements that we, that we weave into their, you know, unschooling or homeschooling or alternative education, whatever you want to call it.

And your boys are, are they teenagers yet?

They're 14. Yeah.

14. Yeah. And they. Did they write their own cookbook or something too? Well, didn't I see that?

I think it's good for every, every kid to be encouraged to have some kind of like a business because a, they learn how to take whatever their purpose statement is in life and weave that into some type of work that could be monetized or could pay the bills or could at least get the information that they love to learn and deliver that to the world in some meaningful way. And this is something that like another repeated theme in Boundless. Like a lot of these parents, kids, they have a YouTube channel or they have like a mini podcast, or they have like a blog where they're writing articles and putting them out there in the public. The reason I like that is a, it teaches them how to take what they've learned and teach that to others or deliver it to the world in some meaningful way. But then because they have a cooking podcast and cooking videos that they put out and like affiliate accounts and sponsors and expenses in terms of like paying a social media manager, et cetera, they now have to review their profit and loss statements each month. They have to decide if they want to hire someone to delegate something to, you know, let's say, like making a new website versus learning how to do that themselves. And so in that way they have to decipher doing what it is that they're good at versus spending time in the weeds on things that might not be their best purpose or their best calling. And so who knows, like they might, you know, drop this whole cooking podcast when they're 16 or 17. Maybe it'll branch out into some other website where it's not just cooking, it's, it's writing, it's fiction, it's, you know, painting, whatever. But the idea of giving your child some kind of a platform and they, you know, they've had that platform since they were seven years old to be able to publicly give stuff to the world and then be able to track a lot of the ins and outs from a business standpoint of what's going on with that. I think it's more beneficial than like a paper route or some other like traditional job, you know. So I think from an early age, training a child in some way to take their passions and weave entrepreneurship into that is a really good idea. So yeah, to answer your question, for them, it was a cooking podcast.

Well, you're teaching us so many different skills, like a multitude of skills in that one self employment experience. So that's what I love about the generation that we are even, but especially our kids with the whole Covid thing. That happened because growing up my mom was a nurse and when my dad died, she always said to us girls, I have a sister and two brothers. And she always said to us girls, it doesn't matter who you marry, make sure you have a career, get your career. Don't only have your husband making the Money, you need to have your own career. And that was always in the back of my mind as I was modeling, because I was like, shoot, this isn't really a career. I need to get that classic career. And my sister became a nurse. And so a part of me always felt like my mom was more proud of my sister because I was just a model and even though I was making money, it wasn't like this secure career, as it were. But what's funny, not funny at all. But ironic is, so my sister was a nurse for 21 years and I was a model and an actress and an athlete and now an influencer. Like all of these classic really not careers, all these self employed things. And now my sister, after 21 years of being a nurse, was just recently fired.

For mandates. So she now lost her job. And I am thriving.

In my way of how I'm monetizing. And Arlen just brought it up last night where he's like, do you think your mom would be so proud of you? And I was like, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if she would be. I don't know if she would still have it in her brain that I should have had a career. But it's so funny, right? Because my entire growing up I was like, oh, need to have a career. Need to have a career. So now even I love that you said that about your boys because it's exactly what we're doing with our children too, where it's like you want to teach them all of these different skills so that they don't need to choose a career, because we've all seen in 2020 that you can lose your career of 50 years just on a dime. So having like teaching skills instead of like teaching mindset and teaching skills so that they can be resilient and adaptive because the world is changing at such a rapid pace now that there's not really one thing that you can do to survive. You need to do a multitude of things.

Yeah, yeah. And that's something. And this might not be perfect for every parent, but we have like this family constitution. It's got our family mission statement, values and everything else in it. But as a part of that constitution, it's written in there that by the age of 16, a child needs to have developed like a Greenfield son or daughter needs to have developed some way to be able to be financially independent. Right. And so my sons have known that since they were about 10 years old. And I kind of remind them about it like every month, like, how is your merchandising account on Threadless going? And how's that book that you're developing going, that you're learning how to write a book proposal for that you could get out to a publisher for eventual sales. And so they know at the back of their mind that they can't just play. Right. And you don't want to adult them too soon. But they know that at some point they have to be able to monetize some of their passions, to be able to bring in money to help to support the family, to help to pay the bills, to help to save up for college, if that's what they want to do, to help to support their business, if that's what they want to do. They know that the money from mom and dad starts to get cut off at age 16. And I mean, we even have like a family trust. And any wealth that's distributed from dad or mom in that family trust, well, it's slowly bled out between the ages of 18 and 35. Right. Like they wouldn't get it in all one lump sum. So we kind of are trying to create a scenario where they realize they have that slight mild pressure, not stressful, but enough pressure to know that they need to develop some form of financial independence by the time they're 16 years old.

Well, I think the biggest point of that is monetizing their passions.

You're not a slave driver. They're passionate about something. And the best thing, the goal in life is to monetize from something that you love, to love what you do or.

Love how you work, and it's never work. What's that?

Yeah, it's Mark Twain. Yeah, I love what you do. And work becomes play or something like that.

Yeah, it's never work. Yeah, I mean, I wake up every single morning so filled with passion because I love my work so much. I don't need coffee to wake up. I don't need anything to wake up. Now at 44 years old, I'm literally waking up before my kids because I'm so passionate about teaching and about what I do that it's not work. Like, I've become a workaholic because I love my work so much.

Yeah, yeah.

I agree with all of that, except the coffee part. I still love my coffee.

Well, I have my coffee daily, obviously, I just don't need it. People ask me, oh, when did you have your coffee? I'm like, probably not till about 10 o' clock in the morning after I've had my breakfast. My coffee is a bonus. It's a Treat. It's something that I look forward to. It doesn't wake me up in the morning.

Yeah. Now, one part on your website speaking of coffee and habits and routines is you and Arlen have a really great like blog and wellness platform and a lot of education for people out there. And you have one section of your website where you talk a lot about like the tools that you do, everything from movement like walking and stretching and exercise and hiking, connection with nature. And then you get all the way into self care like meditation and breath work and you know, hot baths and brain training. So I'm curious for you from a routine standpoint and you being someone who really prioritizes and.

Optimizes wellness, what it looks like for you as a mother and as a parent, weaving a lot of these wellness routines and even in some cases what people might call like, you know, biohacking, et cetera into a daily routine. I guess this is one of those rote questions, but I think this is always an interesting question like what does the day actually look like for you in terms of especially how you're weaving in caring for your own body and brain? Because my audience just loves the health stuff and also often asks me like, how do you squeeze it all in with the kids and everything else. So what does your day look like, you and Arlen?

Yeah, I get that question every single day as well. What's a day in the life? What do you eat? Blah, blah, blah. And I never answer the question simply because there is no simple answer. For me, everything is seasonal. It's cyclical and it's seasonal. So for me, being a 44 year old woman, everything is in a cycle. So my schedule is very flexible. It's much like what you said with your kids too, where you have these increments and you have routine but with flexibility. So I have this list of what I know I want to do within my cycle. So whether I'm in my follicular phase or luteal phase or menstrual phase, every day will look different within that phase for me. And also it'll be flexible with my two kids. So I have a teenager.

Wait, now I gotta interrupt you right there. Just real quick, how do you actually map your cycle? Are you using temperature?

Yeah, I use my Oura ring. I use temperature. I also have an app on my phone, so I do those three things. I also check my mucus. Oh wow. I know, yeah. My discharge. I don't know how else to. There's nothing cute about that.

And how to say that, but I do check my discharge to see when I'm ovulating and what phase I'm in because your body is a miracle and it tells you everything you need to know. So I use like a multi faceted approach to fertility and to checking my seasons or my cycle. And now I just got thrown off because I just said the word discharge and moist and I don't like that.

I was just keeping my mouth shut. But go on, moving on from the discharge. What else does the day look like?

Once I've checked my discharge, I usually like to get into the cold plunge. No. So again, no day looks the same because if I were to be so regimented that I need to wake up at 5 o' clock in the morning and then go for a run and then do the cold plunge and then like if I was up till 2 o' clock in the morning with one of my kids, then I'm going to give myself grace and I'm not going to wake up at 5 o' clock in the morning. So every day looks different. And also whether I'm weight training on the day or whether I'm walking or whether I'm running, I cold plunge and I sauna on different times in my cycle as well. I talk about this right now because cold plunging has become such a hot thing for people. And it's so funny because you and I have done it for years that now when I'm talking about it, people are like, oh, how long do you stay in? And I'm like, well, it's not a pr, especially for women. It's extremely harmful to think that you have to go in there and set a pr because it's not a competition. Some days it's much more beneficial for me to be in for 30 seconds than it is for me to be in for nine minutes. Because of my body composition, because of what part of my cycle I'm in, there's going to be negatives for me to stay in longer. You know, I stayed in for nine and a half minutes at 30 degrees and I almost died one morning because I did it alone. I became so hypothermic that I couldn't even warm up in the sauna and I started going into convulsions because I'm so competitive with myself and I didn't know there was those diminishing returns. So you need to know your body. And I mean, I'm a biohacker in the true sense of the word, that I just, I experiment on myself. I have for the last 10 years. I read and I research and I do stuff, but I'm my own guinea pig, so I'm not reading. And there's also not a lot of stuff out there right now for women with cold plunging and with saunas and stuff like that. So I'm doing my own experiments on where is that point of diminishing returns? Where is that point where it's too far? And then I see what part of my cycle am I in? And I want to get the most benefits and stacking those benefits. So again, going back to what does a day look like? It's all over the place. All I know is that I have certain things in certain seasons of my life that I know will be beneficial for me with where I'm at. And I know that sounds like the most general thing, but right now I have these small kids. So I'm not training for triathlon. I don't have these big goals where training would take me away for four or five hours from my kids during the day. I'll be in that season. I'm going to be training for an Ironman when my kids are more independent and when they don't need me as much. I would love to do an ironman in my 70s.

Yeah, I just don't want to train.

For that right now when they're so small.

That's something I think about a lot too. There are certain epic hunts up in Alaska that I want to go on and some different climbs I've been invited on. And for me it's been a process of telling myself, well, your sons are going to be grown and out of the house at a certain point. You'll have many years to engage in these solo, mildly selfish activities that are big epic adventures. You couldn't take a 12 year old boy on second. They're becoming of the age to where we can do a lot of this stuff together. We have a free diving and a spear fishing trip later on in this year. We're going to do a Navy SEAL beatdown style weekend in California in March. We're doing a hunt in Molokai, a bow hunt in Molokai for Axis deer later on in the spring. And so it's kind of funny because as they get older you can start to do a lot of this stuff with them. And for us from the get go. Even when I was training for Ironman when they were kids, it was a double jogging stroller up and down a hill and it was dragging the double bike stroller behind me on the bike and it was literally swimming with them on my back. And when the YMCA lifeguards didn't like that, I would do kickboards and they would kickboard behind me, or they would sit on the edge of the pool and watch me and cheer for me and help me to count laps. And now when I do breath work, I'm dragging them into the sauna and we're all sitting there and sweating and we're all going out to the cold pool. And even though I sometimes have my workouts that I do, and they're part of this little club called Apogee, which is a group of young men who challenge each other with workouts and have monthly meetings with a mentor, et cetera. Or actually it's weekly meetings every Friday with some new mentor like a military specialist or an inspirational speaker, whatever. And as a part of that, there's workouts that are assigned to them and there are a lot of times push up, squat, burpee, pull up style workouts. But I'll find out from them in the morning when we do our family meditations in the morning, which is also kind of like the family huddle to find out what everybody's up to during the day, what are we going to have for dinner, what time is mom going to yoga, what special activities do the boys have during the day? I'll find out what their workout is and then I'll either do it with them or if I've already got my own thing planned because I'm doing a lot more kind of like, I don't know, old manish, super slow training now and, you know, things different than burpees and pull ups all simply go out to the gym with them. They do their workout, I do mine. I put a podcast on a big Bluetooth speaker or an audio book or some nice music and we're out there together. And so from the get go, from a very early age, I, from when they were very early age, I've tried to figure out a way, as inconvenient as it can sometimes be, to creatively include them in as many of my physical activities as possible, even if that means scaling the workout or even just letting them do their own thing by having me be around as a part of it. I mean, even for Spartan racing, you know, I used to go out on fitness walks where I do bear crawls and log lifts and burpees and they would just be like extra weights that I drag around with me. So if you get creative. And again, like, I see this a lot with the parents in the Boundless parenting book, like they try to include their kids along with them versus pressuring themselves to get up at 4am and get to the gym and get it all done so that they can be home and be with the family. If you're creative, you can include the family with a lot of this stuff.

That's exactly what I've done my entire life as a parent as well, is giving yourself enough grace to know that there's seasons. And I did the stroller thing as well. I would put on a packed weighted vest and do the stroller. And then like my kids always have done stuff with us and there's again seasons now where they're a little bit older, where Arland is at home. So he's able to, like this morning, you know, he's able to be in the house with them if they were to wake up. But I wake up early cause that's my sweet spot. I go for a run, I do my whole cold plunge, sauna, everything come back by the time they wake up and Arlen is here. But I couldn't do that for a while and I certainly didn't do that when Ollie was young either, so. But they watch you. I think the biggest thing for me that I keep on talking about is do what you can in the season you're in and do what brings you joy. Because if it doesn't bring you joy, like it brings me so much joy to wake up and watch the sunrise and to be going for my run and the sunrise. But if it doesn't, if that's not what you like to do, then don't do it. Do something else that brings you joy. And your kids will see that and they will witness that. The other day they were playing with orbeez and they put them in this big black container and ocean. My 4 year old runs up, she goes, mama, can we put water in this? It's our orbee cold plunge. She knows that it's a cold plunge. And sometimes you can do it with them, sometimes you make sure that they're taken care of and then you prioritize yourself. But they know that as well. And it's not out of guilt, it's out of knowing that you're prioritizing yourself so that you can be in a place where you can then keep on taking care of others. So I don't put my kids to bed every night. Arlan does, but I don't. So I'll do the nighttime routine with them and then I'll kiss them good night. And a couple nights ago I kissed them Goodnight. And Alakai goes, okay, mom, have a good enema. I love you. Because he knows that I'm going into the bathroom.

My son say the same thing. They see me walking upstairs Wednesday mornings with the stainless steel bucket that smells like coffee. And I come out like half hour later and like, hey, dad, how was your enema? I don't know how many kids grow up with their parents just walking out of the bathroom with an enema bucket. But it is funny like, like kids just, they, they assume it's, it's normality. And I don't imagine when they go over to their friends houses for slumber parties that a lot of the other parents are doing coffee enemas in the morning. But you know that, you know, the family meditations, the breathwork, the sauna, the cold. Yeah, they're growing up in a different environment, but I think that that's better than them being a square peg in a square hole and just fitting in. Now.

You have some really cool kind of like closing statements in your chapter of Boundless where you talk about the message for parents that you would put on a billboard. Like one is be the example for your kids that you wish you had for yourself. Which goes along the lines of what many other parents said, like more is caught than taught. Or be an example. Don't just talk to them, but show and demonstrate. And then you also have the message to slow down. Your kids are only so young for a tiny season of your life. But then you also say you want to have a huge billboard that just says grace. Now we all need to give ourselves more grace. I'd love to hear you explain what you mean by grace and giving yourself more grace as a parent.

It goes exactly along with do what you can in the season that you're in. Because.

Exactly what we were just talking about of do you wake up at 6 o' clock in the morning, do you do this or do you do that? And we now, more than ever before, because of social media being this huge platform of comparison and anxiety, it can obviously be used for good, for motivation, inspiration, resources, education. But I would say the biggest thing that it's used for is comparison, unfortunately. And there's so much paralysis in thinking that. And that's again, why I love this parenting book, because there's so many different modalities, nothing is going to look the same. And it doesn't have to. You can do what's best for you in the season that you're in. I have two completely different parenting styles.

That I did with Oliver than I do with these kids, which is completely different than how I grew up. But when you focus on seasons and on cycles and knowing that the season is going to change and if you're doing the best you can with the tools that you have in that season, but constantly keep on growing those tools so that you can be better in the next season and giving yourself grace along the way, that's my biggest message, is don't compare yourself. Do what you can in the season that you're in. Give yourself grace. Because if you're, if you don't give yourself grace, and I'm preaching to the choir, but if you don't give yourself grace, you're going to lose all the intention that you have and completely burn out. And you're not no good as a parent anyway or as a human being because you just burnt out.

Yeah, it's such a good point. I mean, we hear that mantra, how you live your days is how you live your life. And I think some people take that and try to set up the same daily routine, especially parents day after day and then guilt trip themselves when they have a season of life where they don't get whatever, you know, for our audience, like the workout or the cold plunge or the red light or the meditation. But I think what's more important, like you've just explained, and perhaps that phrase should be rephrase. For a lot of parents, how you live your seasons is how you live your life. It doesn't have to be the same. And for me, as a creature of habit, I've had to give myself permission to make calls on the fly when it comes to how the day is going to go and to still have the general perspective. Hey, you know, I want to move, I want to get hot, I want to get cold, I want to get access to sunlight, I want to get access to the planet Earth. I want to eat good, nutrient dense food. But it doesn't have to be, you know, I got to get my 20 minute meditation at exactly 7:30 in the morning or I have to do the heat and the cold plunge right before dinner to optimize my glycemic stability before dinner or I have to have my superfood smoothie for breakfast versus taking the kids out for waffles or having a cinnamon roll with them while we play cards at the breakfast table. You just have to understand that it's going to fluctuate. But the days, if you have this general theme, and I love that article, I'll link to it on the show Notes. If folks go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Fletcher, you have an article like, 51 different things that are part of your wellness routine. Well, it's not as though each of those need to be rigidly scheduled every day. It's just that the general outlook, hey, I get hot, I get cold, I move, I breathe, et cetera, is just woven into the season. And then from there, you got to have a great amount of flexibility, especially if you're a parent.

It shouldn't be a daily thing, because I think for a daily thing, for me, the goal is to be fruitful. And being fruitful looks different in the four different seasons. So if you want to be fruitful in the winter, you're not going to put your pot out in the middle of the field.

With the sun. You need to bury something in the winter. You need to bury it in the dark and cover it so that it can do what it needs to do to be fruitful in the winter so it can be fruitful in the summer. You know what I mean? Spring, everything looks different in different seasons. You do different things in the spring than you do in the fall. The season of the fall is so beautiful because we celebrate death so that we can celebrate new life. But if you did the same thing, like as a farmer, if you did the exact same thing throughout all four seasons, you wouldn't have a crop. But to be fruitful, to actually have a crop, you have to use different tools, different modalities for the different seasons of life that you're in. And that's just become so valuable for me because it's not monotonous, it's not overwhelming. You know that there's a season to slow down. There's a season to just go hard and make hay while the sun shines. Like, there's different seasons and it keeps it attainable rather than just overwhelming and paralyzing.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know we're running out of time, but I absolutely loved your chapter in the book, like all of the chapters, chapters, it's just got a fresh, unique perspective. And you have that unique standpoint of having been a divorced single mother all the way to being a married mother now. And your story is just super inspiring. So I recommend, if people want to read that, you can go, of course, to BoundlessParentingBook.com, shameless plug, and I'll also link to Angie's website where she does, like I mentioned, have some great articles and really good perspectives as far as maintaining wellness as a parent and as a busy working mom. And that's all@bengreenfieldlife.com Fletcher F L E T C H E R and when you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com Fletcher, you can ask Angie more questions. You can ask her more about her routine. You can leave your own comments or thoughts or questions or feedback or tips of your own. So again, it's all@bengreenfieldlife.com Flesher and Angie, thank you so much for coming on the show and for sharing all this with us.

Yeah, I'm so grateful. I've been inspired by you for over a decade personally and with your parenting and everything. So it's a great honor to talk to you today. Thank you so much.

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