Pro Baseball Pitcher Noah Syndergaard's Biohacking Routine, Must-Read Books, Travel Hacks, and More.

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Hey folks, before we dive into the podcast with pro baseball pitcher Noah Sindergard, AKA Thor, you should know that there is a point during this podcast where a controversial topic comes up, at least controversial among nerded out biohackers. Namely that some infrared saunas might have toxic products in wood because the wood has been imported and exposed to toxins or contains volatile organic compounds. Including the claim that the wood that's used in saunas like Clearlight or Sunlighten is imported from China and would contain things you don't want to be breathing in when you're in the sauna. I dug into this. So first of all, if you go to the show notes@bengreenfieldlife.com ThorPodcast I was able to hunt down all the certificates of registration, the Sustainable Forest Initiative certificate, along with the chemical analysis of all the wood used in the sauna that I use, which is the clearlight infrared sauna. It's a fantastic sauna in my opinion. And I also talked with Clearlight to dig into this. Turns out none of the wood that they use is grown in China. They're mahogany is from North Africa, the base wood is from Canada. The hemlock framing wood they use is from Canada. The wood certificates they use again are going to be attached in the show notes to this podcast and they purchased their woods from Western Forest Products in Canada for the mahogany that they use. That's from National Forest Products Industry Corporation and they are what's called an FSC certified producer. Clearlight buys the natural wood, it's 100% untreated kiln dried wood so it does not need to be fumigated. They don't fumigate the saunas when they import to North America. The wood is never fumigated for saunas designed for North America and when importing into some other countries they require it, but not for the US and Canada market. So ultimately you do not need to be worried about breathing in toxins and VOCs when you're in clear light sauna at least which is the one that I did my research into because honestly that's the one that's in my basement. You of course should make sure that you use non toxic cleaning supplies in your sauna, that you wipe it down after you sweat because your sweat has metals in it, but the actual sauna itself is safe. So I hope that clears the air.

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See what I did there and let's go and listen to my conversation with Thor.

Well folks, I've been arranging this podcast behind the scenes for the Past couple of months. My guest on this show was actually going to be doing this live with me up in Spokane, but he had some snafus, as did I. So we're recording virtually for you. He just came off the rooftop in a beautiful Manhattan beach, whereas I'm stuck in snowy Spokane, Washington. But we're making it happen either way. My guest is Noah Syndergaard. You might know him as Thor. He's an American professional baseball pitcher and he played in MLB for, he's played for the Mets, the Angels, the Phillies, Dodgers, Cleveland, Guardians. So you might be wondering why I picked Noah as a guy that I really wanted to interview on the show. Well, it's because you might have seen him appear in GQ magazine amongst many other places as a guy who's a very forward thinking athlete. He's kind of almost like, I don't know if anybody's ever called you this nor if it rubs you the wrong way if someone did, but kind of like the Tom Brady of baseball or something like that. Like all of your biohacking and red light and earthing and grounding and BFR training and nose to tail eating and all these things that GQ magazine talked about in their interview about. I think it was titled Noah Syndergaard Thinks Baseball has Gotten Soft and Humans have too. That one definitely I thought was was very interesting and you're up to a lot of stuff that I think would be super cool to hear about. So anyways, if you're listening right now, all the shownotes are going to be at BenGreenfieldLife.com ThorPodcast that's BenGreenfieldLife.com Thorpodcast and I guess I should ask you right off the bat Noah, how did you get the nickname?

First of all, I just wanted to say thank you for having me on. It's a huge honor to be here. I've been listening and learning from your guidance and wisdom for a long time. So when you asked me to be on it, it felt like I was getting called up to the big leagues or getting drafted again. So it was just extremely honored and humbled to be here. I actually have a funny Tom Brady story too. I recently met him and they saying don't meet your heroes kind of thing. It wasn't like he was a bad guy. It was just like I had been drinking a little bit at this party and I was kind of busting his balls about if he was going to have any nightshades and then I asked him what his favorite recovery modality was and he's like, I've kind of tried them all, but I don't really stick with any of them.

Oh, man. I was hoping he might have said infrared pajamas. Well, he sipped on an eggplant martini.

Infrared pajamas do sound awesome. Actually, the Thor nickname is not super exciting, but I think I got it when I was still with. I was drafted by the Blue Jays in 2010, and.

One of their fans on Twitter correlated like cinder guard, the guard G, A, R, D, and my last name to Thor's home realm of Asgard.

And that was even before I had long hair. I started growing my hair out in 2015.

So I actually have a dog named Thor. And I don't want people to think that it's just like I'm so infatuated with that moniker. But we got him when I was a junior in high school, so. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I've got a dog named Dasher, but I don't really fancy the nickname Dasher. And my dog before that was Rupert.

Big into reindeer.

Wouldn't want Rupert. I did have a Bruno. I wouldn't mind a Bruno. I have a Comet who's. Yeah, a lot of our dogs are named after reindeer, actually. So the, The. The Thor things. Interesting, because you actually are. Are you considered to be pretty big as far as an MLB pitcher goes?

Yeah, I think I'm probably one of the biggest pitchers. I'm like 67250 to 260 at one point. Yeah, I guess there's a role of Chapman. He's. He's pretty big too. I'm trying to think if there's anybody else. I think I'm a little bit of an anomaly there.

Yeah. And I get the impression that at least from what I've seen of you and read about you, even though you and I haven't talked much in the past, besides just some random back and forth texts, that you're kind of an outside the box thinker, or at least a little bit of a pattern interrupt when it comes to things like fitness and recovery and diet. Have you always been kind of wired up that way, like thinking outside the box as far as your own performance and recovery?

I think this path has really started. I was a chubby late bloomer when I was in my teens and had suffered from a little bit of bullying. Not necessarily from my peers or other teammates, but I could always hold my own there. But just from other coaches, I think probably three or four that tried to motivate me by putting me down. I just didn't really. I didn't really see it that way.

So I think there was one day I was at Chili's with my dad and my mom was on a business trip. And instead of ordering a soft drink, I decided to transition to just having some water. And from that point on it just exponentially increased.

But yeah, if I could just. I was always the pickiest eater too when I was younger, and now I'll eat just about anything. If I could narrow it down to five food groups that I could that I would consume. I am a bit of a foodie, but I'm also like super into the health and wellness. I do grass fed grass finished beef cooked in either tallow or. The great thing about being in California right now is you get access to raw dairy. So I go to the grocery store. Love Erewhon.

You like the $30 jars of fancy yogurt from Erewhon, huh?

That's pretty much all I spend my money on. That's just a passion of mine. Some guys like watches and I like raw Dairy or $40 growlers of oxygenated water.

Erewhon actually is pretty fantastic. I'm heading down to LA in a couple of weeks and I always swing by there and hit up the hot bar in the cafe for the cauliflower buffalo bites and the raw cakes. And they have a pretty good range of stuff, but it empties your wallet pretty quickly. I think in the GQ magazine article maybe it was there that I was reading that you implement a little bit more of a nose to tail approach when it comes to your meat.

I did that article maybe two years ago and I feel like even just two years ago, I'm a completely different person. I think. Oops. Did you hear that?

I can hear your phone dinging. But that's okay. You can turn off the emf, man. Switch in airplane mode.

Well, that's what these headphones are right here are EMF blocking.

I noticed that for people who are watching the video. By the way, Noah's wearing the special headphones. You could probably tell people what they are, Noah. But they're a very special form of headphone that lowers emf. They're like air tubes, right?

Yeah, they're the Defender Shield brand I do believe that you told me about.

And then so you got grass fed grass finished beef cooked in tallow, raw butter, corn and soy free eggs, which, I mean, some people just go to the grocery store and like, the options are just completely overwhelming with organic pasture rays. Like, what the hell does all this mean? And corn and soy free is, I think all you really need to know about that, raw dairy and bone broth and fermented vegetables. And I'm actually in the process of finishing Kate Shanahan's book, Deep Nutrition.

Oh, my gosh, that's a classic. That book is so good for anybody who wants to wrap their head around the whole seed oil thing. She was one of the first people to champion the idea that you really need to think about the kind of oils that you take in based on cell membranes and the adherence of that stuff in the mitochondrial membrane. I don't know how old that book is, but Kate's been around for a while.

I can't even go to restaurants anymore without thinking about it. There's so many restaurants that serve or claim to have grass fed grass finished, but they use canola oil or soybean oil, any kind of vegetable oil, really. As far as, like, nose to tail. There was a time where I was freezing liver and then I would take it out, chop it up really fine and just shove it in the back of my throat and chase it down with, like, a element.

Yeah, the elements. The electrolyte packs. Yeah, yeah. You know, the Liver King's approach is honey and sea salt. The way I do it is I just freeze them and put them in smoothies.

I have a great Liver King story, actually. I used to be a huge advocate of his.

But I was completely off him even before he was exposed for steroids. Because when I was with the Phillies last year.

We were playing the Astros, and I just thought it'd be a great networking tool to.

Leave him some. Some tickets when we were in Houston. And I figured that if you're in the family section and, like, he would know that you're a Phillies fan at that point. And he was also messaging everybody on the team, like, Zach Wheeler, J.T. romuto, Bryce Harper, like, with the same, like, copy and paste. Hey, Primal. Zach. Hey, Primal. Jt. Hey, Primal. Bryce. And like, oh, we have Liver King on our side. But I'm not super active on social media. If I need to download something or put something on Instagram, I'll download the app or I'll just have someone do it at my agency. Do it really quickly, and then I'll delete it. And it's been great for my mental health.

Yeah.

So left him tickets. And he was like, tagging me on Instagram with, like, Astros baseball. And I'm like, what the heck is going on? And then apparently he was taking raw liver shots and raw egg shots with Orbit, their mascot, in the family section. And the girl I was dating at the time actually went up to him and called him out. And, like, you're dead to me. And she's like, what? He's like, yeah, like, how can you be an Astros fan? And I left him tickets for his wife, himself, and his two sons. And allegedly his two sons had traded tickets with someone else so they could sit with their friends. And so now I had two fully grown men in Astros jerseys in the family section.

Oh, he was wearing an Astros jersey?

Yeah, in our family section.

Oh, geez.

And then I was curious to how open and honest he'd be about it. So I text him like, oh, did your sons enjoy the game? And he's like, oh, they actually traded tickets with their buddies so they could sit and there. And he's like, oh, everyone is super grateful and nice except for this one person. And it was this girl I was dating at the time. So at that point, I had. He lost my support. And I'd always defend him when people were like, oh, he's definitely on steroids. I'm like, he may or may not be on steroids, but that's just a dangerous thing to speculate. Like, I had people that were saying, oh, he's definitely on steroids. I'm like, you haven't even been to a gym before. Like, how are you going to, like, say that? Like, it's just, like, a very dangerous thing to. To just claim upon somebody. But I think Paul Saladino is the true liver king. I do take his nose to tail supplements.

He's got good stuff. And by the way, the person who I would trust the most when it comes to just at a glance saying whether or not someone is on steroids is probably Derek, the more plates, more dates guy. He seems to have a pretty good eye for that. Obviously, you can tell based on the eyebrows, the forehead, the shape of the jaw, kind of like the protrusion of the abdominals, whether or not growth hormone is present. There's some telltale signs. I think most people who know those telltale signs weren't really convinced that Brian Johnson, the liver king, was all natural. But he's a very interesting guy. I mean, he's actually a pretty smart businessman, and I think he's probably even more intelligent than, like, kind of the meathead vibe he puts off on social media. But he has made some critical mistakes, that's for sure.

If I'm on steroids, then why would. I'm not spending 10 minutes in the cold plunge, or. I first came across him when he did that MTV crib style tour of his house. And there's no WI fi, it's all Ethernet based. His gym is immaculate. His kitchen setup's awesome. The hot tub, that's actually a cold plunge at 33 degrees. He's all about grounding and sunshine in the morning. So I'm like, this just doesn't make any sense. If I'm on steroids and I'm not doing that, I'm not cheating. Or I'm like, if I'm going to cheat the system, I'm not going to put in all that hard work.

Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. And that's also kind of clutch, what you said about social media, how you'll delete the app and maybe install it if you have to post something. But I think it was an interview that Tim Ferriss had with, I believe his name is Sam. He was like the CEO or now he's still involved with Levels, the blood glucose testing company. I don't think he's CEO anymore, but he talked about how his MO is. He just has an executive assistant who will choose posts, put together posts and then pass them by him for final approval. And that's the way that I do things, is I will take photos and then just send them over to a social media assistant, shout out to Heather if she's listening in and she'll put the right hashtags on it and post it and everything. And I try, even though I occasionally post my own natural stuff to Instagram, I try to outsource it as much as possible just so it's that many fewer times you have to open up those apps. And then, same thing with my sons, I tell them, look, and they don't have any social media apps on either of their devices because they literally at 15 years old have a social media manager. Meaning like if they have videos, photos, anything, they send them to her. She monitors comments. If there's a comment they need to reply to, she'll email them and ask them what they want to say. But it's so much more clean and less distracting on a device when you're not managing your own socials and only posting if you absolutely have to.

Yeah, social media is a dangerous, harsh world and I really haven't been super present on it since I left the Mets.

Especially because the last two years have been kind of a, a kick in the balls, just kind of struggling and I just don't really want to see people's opinions and they can just hide behind their little keyboards.

Yeah. What happened? Why are you struggling?

I think it has a lot to do with I tried to reinvent myself when I had Tommy John surgery because never again in your career are you going to have 12 to 18 months to really reinvent yourself. Most of the off seasons are three to four months long and it's just all about rebuilding and getting ready for the next season.

So I just really went on this path and it got to the point where I almost felt like I had the yips and I like forgot how to pitch naturally. And then once I had that setback, I thought the original mri, the doctor that read it thought I had another tear in my ucl. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Like I can't do a more perfect, better rehab. And like I failed and I hadn't even got back to competition yet. So I don't know if my body went to like a fight or flight lockdown mode and just stored that trauma somehow, but I just hadn't been the same since then. I feel like.

Each offseason has had a different theme for me. Like last year, like last year I was with the Angels for most of the season and then I got traded to the Phillies and I had a pretty good season for the most part.

I just wasn't the same. I wasn't throwing 100 miles an hour. I was like 93 to 96 really. And still my mechanics were off. And I got traded to the Phillies and I was serviceable as a.

Back end starter.

Went all the way to World Series, which is a great experience. And then once the season was over, I went to most guys stopped throwing. I continued to throw. I went to this baseball training facility on the east coast that's called Shred Athletics Immaculate Training Facility. And like they had some ideas for me. And then I was going to another place in Arizona, but they're based in Kent, Washington actually. It's called Driveline. And they had another idea for me and I decided to go with Driveline's method and I don't really think that was the right fit for me. And then I went to see Dr. Harry Adelson, did the whole full body stem cell makeover and I think it helped out, but I don't think I gave myself enough time to recover from that because at that point it was like December 1st and then you got to start throwing and training.

How soon after getting the full body stem cell protocol did you have to get back into training and lifting or traveling?

I gave myself two weeks or so.

Yeah, that's a decent amount of time. I Mean that thing, though. Different people recover in different ways. I find. Because I've done that protocol three times now, I think the full body stem cell makeover, and I'm usually pretty good to go within a couple of weeks to be lifting and traveling and pretty mobile, et cetera. And the idea just for folks listening is you kind of want to baby all those new baby stem cells you have in your body. And you don't drink for several weeks. You avoid heavy lifting and joint loading. Try not to do a lot of airline travel if you can. Avoid inflammatory foods and just live super duper clean with walking and swimming and yoga and stuff like that for your primary exercise modalities. But I've had some clients do it and they're literally sometimes four to six weeks before they're really able to take on a heavy load. And you're right, like, if you. You don't time that window properly, you don't quite get all the benefits. I remember the first time I did it, I raced a Spartan race a week later, and I was kind of upset with myself afterwards. Cause I could tell I kind of messed up a lot of the work he'd done.

Yeah, I mean, it was just my first time doing it. I'd definitely do it again. And then I signed with the Dodgers, which are essentially like, they've been known to fix everybody. I did a lot of very super, intentional, deliberate work with their coaches for three months. And I think it was still going down the wrong path, like movement patterning wise. It's just kind of disappointing because all I ever did was work out or work hard and try. And then the season started and I had a good, really good first start, but then it was just downhill ever since then. And it was just kind of the analogy I use is trying to change the tires on a car while it's still moving. And it's really hard to make, like, drastic changes in your delivery and your mechanics when you still have to compete every five days. And the Dodgers don't have the patience to like, allow you to. I mean, they're. The Dodgers are like, they expect. They have certain expectations, and I wasn't meeting them. And then I got put on what they call the Phantom il, which is basically.

Come up with a. They use, like, my blister. I had blister on my finger to put me on the IL for two months.

Wait, what do you. What do you mean when you say they had a blister on your finger to put you on the il?

They call it the Phantom il, which Is. I mean, you're on the il, but it's not really for really like a.

Like an actual issue. It's just a point where, like, they don't want to, like, release you. They want to give you an opportunity to just take a little break and figure some things out. And I was kind of getting on the right path. And then I got traded to the Guardians before I. I ever made it back to the big leagues with the Dodgers. I was making some rehab outings in the minor leagues, and I was performing pretty well. Still wasn't like the old me, but I think a lot of it has to do with, like, I had been throwing nonstop for the last three to four years ever since, like, you start throwing and you're Tommy John rehab, depending on your surgeon. Like my surgeon recommends. It was Dr. All Check in New York four months before you start throwing, and then you're throwing all the way to month 15. So it's like, pretty grueling because they take the palmaris longest and your wrist put in your elbow. Basically a tendon has to turn into a ligament, essentially. So you got to stress it a little bit day by day and to help fortify it.

And then I just had that setback at month 15, and then did stem cells PRP from the. Like, the doctors did that. I didn't do that on my own. Stem cells from my hip PRP. And I did 30 hard shell hyperbaric chamber sessions. And this is when I started going down this path of, like, mental fortitude, because I have my own soft shell hyperbaric chamber. And I never had any issues with it in terms of, like, panic or anxiety. But the hospital grade hardshell hyperbarics is a completely different animal. And I went into it not knowing what to expect. And I get there and I'm like, holy crap. Like, this is like, I couldn't wear my contacts in there. I had to wear these other glasses. I'm looking through this acrylic lens at this tv. You can watch tv and there's always somebody there by your side. But I was like, it takes 10 minutes to get to pressure, and it takes. If you want it out, it takes 10 minutes to get you out.

Yeah. And that's at like 2, 2 and a half atmospheres compared to the, like, the 1.4, 1.5 you might get in a home unit.

Yeah. And I think what it boils down to is, like, the amount of control that my central nervous system had. Like, I really had to relinquish a lot of control to the person operating the machine. And it takes. So it would go 10 minutes to get to pressure. And then there was. I did 30 sessions. I gutted it out. But almost every single time I had some severe anxiety at the beginning where the PA would have to come in and take me through like a guided mindfulness meditation. And then after that I was completely. I'd go from panic to crazy laughter by the end of the session and about two hour sessions and I did it.

And was it more like claustrophobia or was it more of the pressure in the head or something else that led to that sympathetic nervous system?

I didn't have any issues like stabilizing my, my ears really. It was just. I think the first time I did it I had like an anxiety attack because like my legs were like shaking uncontrollably. But I just focused on like box breathing and meditation the whole time. So I think my central nervous system started to affiliate. Oh, hyperbaric, not good, scary place. So I just could not overcome that. And the mind is such a powerful tool. Like, for example, I never had an issue with flying and now it kind of makes me uneasy. Like I remember, like I made my debut when I was in 2015 and I don't remember ever having any anxiety with flying until 2018 probably. So it's. And that's kind of like the theme of this off season is just working on the mental side of things.

Yeah, it's interesting actually. I have this theory about hyperbaric. I've been thinking about that breathing carbon dioxide, based on the anxiolytic and actually some of the physiological benefits of carbon dioxide, especially for reducing lactate accumulation, is something that I would actually like to see more hyperbaric companies playing around with like the ability to be able to breathe carbon dioxide rather than pure oxygen or introduce more carbon dioxide into the chamber. Dr. Mercola, who catches some flak, I know, actually just published a very interesting article. Maybe I'll link to it in the show notes. And it's a 13 year old video by one of the OGs of anti aging and longevity and health, Ray Pete. And it's a whole treatise on why carbon dioxide is actually good for us. I think I talked about this when I interviewed James Nestor who wrote the book breathe devices like the carbogen that they'll use in people with trauma or PTSD to actually breathe carbon dioxide to lower anxiety and stress. I'm just wondering if hospitals use some form of carbon dioxide in HBOT chamber, if that's something that's feasible. I Wrote to Hyperbaric Oxygen USA to Jason Sommers, who runs that company actually, just this morning to ask him about what it would take to outfit a hyperbaric chamber with the ability to breathe CO2 while you're in the chamber. So basically, you're looking at simultaneously elevated levels of O2 and CO2, which has a pretty interesting tissue oxygenation effect. So that'd be interesting at some point, don't you think, to see what it would be like to breathe carbon dioxide in HBOT?

I mean, I'd be down to try that. Dr. Saunders is my guy right there, and I first heard of him listening to you guys talk. And that's who helped me get my soft shell hyperbaric chamber.

Yeah, yeah. Shout out to hbot. Hey, what else do you have in your. Your wellness routine or, you know, in my house I call my Zen den, you know, where I've got all my recovery tools scattered around. But I'm curious what your go to's are as far as what you have at home.

Okay, so I'll take you through kind of like my morning routine. I do love mornings.

So I wake up probably around between 6 and 7, and before I do anything, before even my feet hit the ground, I just kind of give myself a little me time to check where I'm at, kind of give myself a little body scan, and then I will typically go down to the beach and start with a little sunshine and grounding. I prioritize morning sunlight to get my circadian rhythm in sync. And I normally would do, like, just sometimes I jump directly into the cold plunge, but that was a little intense. I'd like to give myself a little moment to prepare for that I've actually seen.

And this is probably one reason why you see people in triathlons occasionally having heart attacks in the swim portion evidence that the cold water could cause atrial fibrillation or cardiovascular issues if you just go straight from lying in bed to jumping in cold water. So I'm kind of the same way. I feel like it's almost too much of a shock and too much of a sympathetic nervous system activation to just wake up and jump into cold water within a few minutes. I'm usually not doing cold until a couple hours after I've gotten up, usually before I start my work day.

Oh, yeah, I have a Marozco forge like you as well. And I mean, 32 degrees when you first wake up and you still got sleep on your eyes, it's a lot. So I'll either do like 20 minutes of meditation on the beach. Or I'll help prepare my central nervous system for the shock of the cold water and do some wim hof breathing. And also, I don't know if you're. I'm sure you're familiar with Braintap. I do like that device a lot.

Describe the Brain Tap to people.

The Brain Tap is a. I mean, I have the headphone set to go along with it. So it's just like a.

Headphone set that actually, I guess it plays like some sort of binaural beats or frequencies. It's got some kind of, like, they have tons of programs. And I guess it helps speak to your unconscious mind a little bit because sometimes you'll play a program and you'll have two different voices. And like, I guess the point isn't to try to listen to both, but your. Your unconscious mind is picking up on both. And then it comes with like a little visor as well. And the headphones. The ears also have like, LEDs in them as well to, I guess, stimulate, like, the inner ear muscle. And the visor has LEDs and the visor as well to emit some sort of patterning.

So I think it's a really cool piece of equipment.

I agree. I dig it. I'm not very hypnotizable, and that thing will bring me to another planet, Especially if I do like the space journey or the Earth journey, or there's one that's like the medieval journey back to medieval times, where a voice is just like, walking you through this whole new experience and adventure that you go on in your mind. But it's paired with, like you said, Noah, light and sound stimulation to the eyes and the ears and the photoreceptors in the ears. And so it shifts the brain into this changed brainwave state dramatically. I even have a couple of friends who have gone through the. There's a whole series on there on how to use your own body as a pharmacy to kill pain. They've done it for low back pain and seen a remarkable positive effect on back pain when using the braintap Back pain sessions. Like you mentioned, there's hundreds of different sessions you can do. My favorites are the journeys. You ever messed around with any of those?

I don't think I have.

Yeah, you dig them. They're pretty cool. For those of you who may have heard a quick hiccup there in the interview, I had a tennis match this morning and rehydrated way too well, so I had to go take a potty break. And Noah grabbed some water and he was just describing that he's only got one kind of water that he drinks. So to hold it up. Noah, what is it?

It's Mountain Valley. Throughout the mlb, I have been known as the green water bottle guy. And it's kind of funny that. So when I was with the Angels last year and we're playing the Phillies, like where the buses drop us off, it's like the longest walk to the visiting team clubhouse. And you have to walk past the home clubhouse and they just had pallets of the sparkling versions and all their different flavors of the Mountain valley. And everyone's like, oh my God, Noah, this is your team. And I'm like, lo and behold, two months later, I get traded there.

Yeah, Mountain Valley is pretty good. I believe it might be Jack Cruz, who's big into minerals and magnesium amongst a few other actually a lot of really great doctors. Dr. Leland Stillman shout out to him previous podcast guest. He has a lot of his clients do a hair tissue mineral analysis and finds that mineral replacement is really good. And there's a few brands that are pretty high in minerals. Mountain Valley is one. Pellegrino is good. Magnesia and Gerolsteiner are also pretty darn good for minerals from bottled water. And of course the glass version is clutch. But before we took our potty break and your water break, you were talking about the brain tap. So you got the beach with the grounding and earthing, you got the cold, you got the brain tap. What else is part of your wellness lounge protocol?

Once I kind of prepare my central nervous system for the day and for the cold tub, I will drop in the cold tub and I actually got this really cool red light device. I actually have it over here if you want to check it out. I'm gonna go grab it really fast.

Yeah, let's see it. By the way, for those of you watching the video again, it's gonna be a BenGreenfieldLife.com ThorPodcast all right, let's see what this is, man.

Yeah, so yesterday, I mean I just got this in the mail and I think I found that the company through I just was googling one day like the Truth about Joovv or something like that and I came across this company called Get Chroma and they have this device called Ironforge. And after I cold plunged yesterday, I came up to my living room just butt ass naked and shined this all over my body. And this thing packs a serious punch. It is like 90 second treatments. And if you have hold it over one body part or limb for too long. It gets pretty hot.

Yeah, that's like one of like the medical. It's like a medical device LED red light laser. So that's unlike the Juve or the Kineon or some of these full body panels or spot treatment panels. That's one where it's literally for some pretty intense inflammation or joint recovery. And it's also more dangerous, I guess, like you were talking about. Like it'll heat up tissue pretty quickly. Like it is an actual pretty powerful laser in that thing.

Yeah. And I guess I should backtrack a little bit of the. I think all this recovery modalities are all fine and dandy, but they're really nothing if you don't get quality sleep. So my. I think the best way to prepare for the next day is.

The previous night. And I don't really take a whole lot of sleeping supplements. Normally around when the sun goes down, I put my blue light blockers on. I mean I'm not. I have been known to watch a little bit of tv, but I still don't really have any issues like falling asleep pretty naturally. So I put my blue light blockers on, take some magnesium by glycinate or 3 and 8 and I make like these tart cherry juice limeades, these mountain valley sparkling good organic in the glass. Tart cherry juice and some fresh squeezed lime and it is unbelievable.

And tart cherry is great for sleep. That's like kiwi as a melatonin precursor. I kind of have a similar thing. I do coconut water and tart cherry and gelatin and sometimes I'll put like a little reishi or magnesium or I've even put some of that quicksilver lipocalm stuff which is a bunch of GABA inhibitory neurotransmitter precursors. And I stir all that together in a pot over the stove and then pour it into little molds. I just have these little Reese's peanut butter size cup molds that I got on Amazon and then refrigerate that and I'll just pop a couple of those gummies before I go to sleep at night. And they're great for sleep. And considering you pay like 30 plus bucks for a little jar of sleep gummies and you can make them at home with that. It's a pretty good recipe. But yeah, for anybody who's not turned onto the tart cherry thing, there's a lot of good research behind that for sleep.

Yeah, I forgot sometimes I will have some bone broth too before bed. I've heard that glycine helps with sleep as well.

I would sometimes take some L theanine, but I already live a different world in my dreams as it is. I don't need to have any crazier dreams because they are quite vivid. But I guess that's good sleep feedback because it tells me that I'm in REM sleep. I don't know, but you might be a better answer to that one.

So you're obviously not doing cannabis before sleep because that shuts down dream cycles. Have you always been a crazy dreamer?

For the most part, yeah. But I don't really have nightmares now.

Yeah. Yeah, you're just doing a lot of emotional processing and memory consolidation when you sleep. If you dream more. Did you know that GPT can now do dream interpretation? That's actually really popular. People go to ChatGPT and type in their dream and get interpretation from it. Because GPT is basically red, if you want to call it that. Thousands of dream interpretation books.

I read an article that ChatGPT or whatever it's called had predicted that in however many years the whole world was going to be vegan.

Yeah, it might be attempting some kind of a back end manifestation there with the veganism thing. The thing is though, that actually reminded me when I was talking about books. You read a lot of books. Don't you have a book club or something like that?

Yeah. So during COVID I was trying to do something healthy and try to just get people involved and I was always a pretty good student. But getting straight A's and whatnot, that's kind of easy. That's just like rote memorization. And I didn't really learn a whole lot of problem solving skills or like emotional intelligence when I was in school.

So it was easy during COVID to start a book club. And like every. Actually my first one was what Doesn't Kill Us by Scott Carney. And I did it as like a collab with Adrian at Morozco.

And then every month I was picking a different book. But now like that was easy during COVID because I was rehabbing and I wasn't have to worry about performance. But then last year when I was with the Angels, it was like more one book every two months.

And then it was hard to really do it. This year with the Dodgers I did. I tried to pick different themes and like apply it to like different fan bases. And because more I'm like, I like books like Breed but James Nestor or Biology Belief or.

A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle and some People just don't. There's a small group of people that I feel like like those sorts of books. So I try to diversify as a little bit and.

It'S just hard with the Dodgers this year because people don't really care about what you're doing outside of the field if you're not performing very well. So I'd like to pick it back up. I think there's just a huge benefit to reading and stepping in the mind of another human being and just trying to gain some sort of emotional intelligence. And I just genuinely enjoy it.

Have you read Morgan Housel? Morgan Housel wrote the Psychology of Money. Have you read his new book?

I've never actually heard of him.

Okay. And you know what? This is embarrassing. I've been binging his new book and I don't remember the name of it. It's Morgan Housel's new book. The same guy who wrote the Psychology of Money. That one's a fantastic read. That's my bedside read right now.

But you like reading boring books though before you go to bed, right?

Yeah, I like reading books that don't make me think about my business or deep science and physiology that just gets my brain churning. So I'll read things like self improvement books that I wouldn't say are boring. They just take me outside the zone that I've been in all day long when it comes to work. So spiritual books like Devotionals or for example, one I'm reading right now is Practicing the presence of Jesus by Joni Eareckson. Tada. And then this new book by Morgan Housel. Those are all the type of books that are on my bedside. And then I bring my sons through a new book. We kind of have our own father son book club. So we do a new book about every two weeks and have pre dinner time discussions about whatever we've been reading. So right now we're reading a book about irrational human psychology and logical fallacies. And then after that we're moving on to a business book called what the CEO wants you to know. And I try to with them generally bounce between rhetoric, body language, self improvement, finances, a lot of practical in the streets knowledge that will make them better students or better future husbands or businessmen. And so we do a lot of reading at our house. We kind of systematize it in terms of having our own little inside the house book club. And then I typically read an additional usually around two to three books a week right now.

That's impressive. I'm like maybe one a month right now. The Most recent books I've read, I really just devoured 10% happier by Dan Harris. I thought that was an amazing meditation book.

Think Again by Ryan Grant. Might be Adam Grant.

I think it might be.

Actually I don't even know who Ryan Grant is. And I'm still trying to get through Deep nutrition and I just got over like I'm like 350 pages deep and it's just now finishing the. Okay, we get it. Hydrogenated vegetable oil is bad. And now we're on to processed sugar.

One of those books that could be summed up pretty easily if you want to learn how to read books faster. And he just came out with the second edition of this book that covers AI and smart drugs as well. You should check out Limitless, Jim Quick's book Limitless.

Yeah, I've read that. Yeah, I've tried that method, but sometimes I just like to slow it down a little bit. I know like your mind can read faster than you can actually like speak.

But it's, I mean I've been. That's how we were taught in school and that's what was ingrained in our head for the longest time. So it's just hard to break through that. And like as far as the book club goes, it's, it is like a. It's got Noah's Book Club as the title, but I'm still trying to figure out what it actually is. There's nowhere to like for fans to really like engage. It was just like I would post something on my personal social media, I would post different chapter updates on my stories and then at the end of the month I would do a Q and A with whoever recommended the book to me because I'm not really great at hosting things like that myself. There have been a couple times where I've done it on my own, but it was a different kind of production. But we made it work.

Yeah, you just call it either Lithoratur or Literature.

Can be your book club title.

I like that you got to recommend a book for me so I can.

Have you on Literathor. So I know that a lot of people were probably interested in hearing what the biohacked MLB pitcher does. And I'm curious, besides that cold laser LED device that you held up, if there's any other kind of weird fringe or lesser known or extremely effective modalities that you find pretty critical in your day to day.

So next to my cold plunge in the garage, I have a barrel sauna. I crank that bad boy up to 230 if I wanted to. I've owned two different kinds of infrared saunas. I've sold them both.

Just because I was kind of brainwashed in the fact that like both Clearlight and Sunlit and I guess import their wood from outside of the United States so they need to treat it with chemicals. So like off gassing process. I don't know how valid that statement actually is, but that was just what I've been told by people that are smarter than I am, by the way.

Because I know people are going to ask. I have not heard that.

I will, however, after this podcast dig into that. So go to the show notes if you have your own information to share on that. VOCs in wood from imported wood and infrared saunas. Yeah, leave your thoughts in the show notes if you know much about that. You just gave me something to research, Noah, so thanks.

Yeah. Do you know Robbie Besner from Therasage?

I know who that is. Yeah.

So he was the one that told me about that. And so I have an infrared sauna of his. The little portable tents. Those things are awesome.

Just because I've been living like a nomad for the last four years, it's getting kind of pricey to be traveling from Florida to Arizona to California to back to California like with my Morozco and my, my barrel sauna.

I have a hyperbaric in my guest room as well.

I have my fancy BFR unit right here as well, the Mat Up Pro. They're based out of France. I have Kaatsu's as well. But this is like you can't untether yourself from it.

So the other day, the way I used it, I did it on my legs, did bilateral heels, elevated squats. And the protocol for BFR usage is you do one set of 30 and then followed by three sets of 15. And it's very difficult to walk after that.

Yeah.

So I incorporated any moment or opportunity that I can do.

You do the arms and the legs at the same time.

This just has two ports. So like a lot of the other popular ones that are like really expensive is like this one is about 6K. And then there's another one called by Owens Recovery Sciences that they actually use like a built in Doppler. Those are about 5k, but that's only per limb. So if you wanted to do two limbs at the same time, you'd have to fork over $10,000.

Oh wow.

But this has two ports in it. So I've only done legs all at once or arms all at once. But when I do it with My arm, it's mainly for like arm care stuff. So it's either like, I'll do like manual resisted stuff with a, with a physical therapist or a trainer. A lot of love crushing forearms.

You can do. I mean, I do basically any exercise that I want with it and just to add a little bit more bang for my buck and just to get some, some amazing growth hormone pumping through my veins.

Yeah. Why do you think that more of these modalities aren't in the average training room like at a pro sports club? Is it just kind of like old school thinking? And I ask because, by the way, a lot of locker rooms I've been in, it's all endocrine disrupting chemicals. Besides a few clubs, pretty old school. Barbell, kettlebells. There's nothing wrong with, you know, a lot of these standard training and lifting and recovery modalities, but it seems like there's a lot left behind. At least that's my perception. I could be wrong.

Oh, most definitely. Like I'm to the point right now to where like we have our clubhouse managers and part of their job is to do our laundry, amongst other things. And the soaps and detergents and whatever that they're using are just extremely toxic. So I'm to the point right now where I just want to take my own laundry home and do it with my own detergent that's non toxic. And then you go into the bathroom or the showers and it's just Irish, I guess. Irish springs are all right, I guess. But there's other soaps and shampoos and conditioners full of phthalates, parabens, sulfates.

Yeah, it's like Gillette Old Spice. Just all the standards. And then what about like you were showing the BFR device for example, or the light. And I know some athletic training rooms do have laser and led, but is it just again, just old school thinking that a lot of these biohacking technologies for recovery or fitness just haven't seemed to penetrate the industry?

That, well, depends on the team. I've been with five major league teams now, six organizations, and mostly every training room has a few bfr, the fancy BFR units.

When I was with the Dodgers, they had a beamer for a little bit, but it wasn't theirs. They also had like this narrow feedback chair that I absolutely loved and I was the only one that used it. It was like this lawn chair that you would sit in and it would vibrate the hell out of you, like different frequencies and you'd wear headphones for different binaural beats.

Was that the shiftwave? Shiftwave chair.

I'm not familiar with what it was called, but then you'd wear like a little pulse oximeter and it would measure, it would give you real time before and after HRV measurements.

The one that you're talking about, if it is the shift wave, it tracks your heart rate and your breath rate and your HRV in real time and adjusts your breath cues and the vibration of the chair and everything during the session and walks you through how to breathe and how to relax and how long to exhale. Dr. John Laurence @ Mitozen Medical Clinic in Florida, he has one. It's crazy. I actually really want to get one. It is almost like you're on some kind of a weird trip and you feel on top of the world when you finish one of.

Those. Recovery wise, I think they actually have a setting that's like trip or something like that. But yeah, I mean, I love that thing. I think I was the only one that ever really used it and of course it wasn't there. So the company took it back after. I don't know how long. It just kind of depends on the organization and their budget, I guess.

Some teams have really immaculate space and weight rooms and other teams just.

Kind of cheap owners, I guess.

And then kind of leave that kind of responsibility on the individual players. Like, oh, you're making this amount of money, like you need it, you can get it.

Yourself.

Yeah. I did have a pulse PMF bed that I rented for quite a bit last year and the place that I'm doing my physical therapy at, they have one as well. And I freaking love that thing. I think second to sleep is nutrition.

I think my favorite modality or resource that I have is my personal chef. She's amazing, like super knowledgeable about health and wellness and nutrition and food. Like everything's grass fed, grass finished, cooked in tallow or butter. She's really into cooking seasonally and going to the farmer's market. So she's been doing a lot of different squashes and.

Pumpkin. Amazing. Yeah. You ever heard of methodology? Because they're a reason I bring them up is they're a meal delivery service and I've tried out a ton for different clients and. And they're pretty high end. I mean, I think they're like, I don't know, maybe 400 bucks a week or something like that. So it's obviously a little bit of a price point. But it's your breakfast, your lunches, your dinners, your snacks, your juices. But it's like super high quality seed oil free, really high end stuff. That one's called Methodology. That was the recent meal planning service that I've been recommending to more of my VIP exec clients who don't want a personal chef, don't have the time to cook, but want their meals delivered. That one's pretty.

Impressive. I'll definitely have to check that out. I've been working on and off with this nutrition scientist named Chris Talley based in El Segundo here. And he will do like this full, very comprehensive blood analysis with. I mean, it takes like an hour and a half to go over all this with him. And then if you want, he has a kitchen in El Segundo and like he'll ship nationwide and everything is exactly tailored to your needs. And it's kind of funny because a couple years ago I had an immune response to dairy. And when I recently did some blood work with him, but at that time I didn't even know what raw dairy was. But then I did some blood work with him and recently, like, it's good. Now my only allergy is I have shrimp and.

Lobster. Yeah, that's not uncommon. What's the guy's name.

Again? Chris.

Talley.

Okay. I think it's like Precision Food Works is his.

Company. Okay, cool. I'll put that in the.

Show. Notes, full disclaimer. All these recovery hacks and whatnot. My C reactive protein for some reason has been a little high. So I'm still, I'm trying to just address that and doing a lot more blood work than what I normally have in the past and just really taking a deep dive and look under the.

Hood. Yeah, random question about that. Do you know what your methylation genetics are like, if you're a poor methylator or anything like that? Have you ever done DNA.

Testing? I haven't done any of.

That. The reason I ask is some people who are poor methylators, if they have sources of folic acid in their diet. And folic acid, you'll find it in a lot of energy drinks, you'll find it in a lot of supplements, multivitamins, different enriched products like flowers and cereals, which it doesn't sound like you're doing a lot of. But what happens if you're a poor methylator? A lot of the folic acid can cause a little bit of an inflammatory reaction, like a buildup of homocysteine and also sometimes a buildup of CRP in the body. And so that might be one thing to look into because a Lot of people just have little bits here and there of dietary folic acid. And if they're poor methylators, it can kind of screw them over from an inflammatory.

Standpoint. Is folic acid the same as.

Folate? Natural folate, like methyltetrahydrofolate, is like 20 times more expensive to use as a nutritional ingredient for methyl groups in supplements or to fortify foods. So most people don't do it because they just don't get good margins on their product. So there's even some very popular energy drinks out there and. And supplements that, if you look at the label, have folic acid in them, which I don't think is generally that good. But especially if you're a poor methylator, you should avoid it. The organ meats that you're consuming, those are good sources of natural folate. But if you have high crp, I'm not saying that's what it is, but you always check it out. You just do.

Get a gene test from Self Decode or Strategene or the DNA company or one of these sources and just see what your methylation genetics.

Are. There was at one point where I was diagnosed with hereditary hemochromatosis. And every team that I've been with, I've asked the team physician to monitor it, and they've come back to me like, oh, no, you're fine. So there's a certain level of distrust there. So I'll get some answers here pretty.

Soon. Yeah, because obviously, as you know, like in people who train a lot, CRP can also just be elevated as a relic of training, in which case, usually you'd want to look at all your inflammatory markers, like homocysteine and interleukins, and get a full inflammatory panel from direct labs, for example. And then you could see if you're inflamed because you're really inflamed, or if CRP is just one element that's up just because you might have trained hard in the couple of days prior to the.

Test. Yeah, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense because I feel like, great. And I feel like all my practices are really dialed in.

So there's that, I guess, another. On a different note, my other hack, I guess you could say, is I will dabble with intermittent fasting, or just like on Sunday I'm traveling, or tomorrow I'm traveling, and I'm going to fast all day because on Tuesday I'm going to work with this functional medicine doctor in Dallas. His name is Dr. Joe Cleaver. And he's going to do a V cells treatment on.

Me. Oh yeah, those are pretty epic. The very small embryonic like stem cells, they're extremely potent in terms of their ability to be able to help with tissue and joint recovery. And I don't know if you knew this Noah, but there's one doctor, Dr. Todd, he's out of San Diego. He's got a hard to pronounce his name. It's like ovokitos or something like that. But he activates the V cells with special laser lights that allow the V cells to go to the part of the body where they're needed most. And actually Harry Adelson, who you mentioned, when you do the full body stem cell makeover with him, I believe he uses something very similar to Dr. Todd's protocol with lights and V.

Cells. I was going to do Dr. Harry's program again, but now he just does umbilical cor. Exosomes. And I think that's gotta like. But he did that. I like the cocktail that he uses, you know, like the bone marrow, the fat B cells and exosomes. I don't want just like exosomes. I just want. I want stuff that comes from.

Me. The nice part about the new one that he does, you recover way faster. But some people do like to use the. The bone marrow aspirate, so to speak. Another guy that's doing really interesting work in stem cells is Dr. Adeel Khan. I interviewed him and he's also doing things like follistatin gene therapy and Clotho gene therapy. He's got some really interesting stem cell protocols as well. He has a certain type of stem cell that he's developed. It's not V cells. It's a little different. I think they're called vests or something like that. But he's got a clinic down in Cabo and I might go down there in February to do some treatments with him. And we're also doing a big conference in Austin in February called Unlock Longevity where we're going to be talking about a lot of that stuff. But his name is Dr. Khan K A H N. And I did an interview with him where he talked about a lot of this stuff. I'll link to it in the show notes, but it was super interesting. He's a good guy to look into.

Also. And as I'm flying on Sunday, I will be.

I forgot about your advice of putting all your EMF Defender Shoot. No, that's no choice products and your carry on because there was one time where I was wearing the no choice underwear. And I went through the scan, they had to scan me like three or four times. And I'm like, oh, I'm wearing EMF protecting underwear. And I'm surprised they didn't try to tackle me then and there because the TSA agent's like, what the hell is this guy talking about? My cross region was essentially invisible to the machine. So I'm just pleased that I didn't have to go through a full body cavity search to make it through.

Security. And for people listening, the no choice is a full body. No choice is a full body EMF blocking suit. So you go through a scanner and you look like a ghost and they freak out. So I always have it in my backpack and I'll even take it out of my backpack and put it in a little plastic bin so it doesn't cover up stuff in my backpack. And then as soon as I walk through security, that's when I put on the EMF blocking gear. The sexy wraparound Faraday.

Cage. Do you have the, the hoodie that goes all the way up and you have like the.

Eyelids? I do that on international flights. Dude, it's nuts. You literally feel like you're inside this protected cave that nobody can get.

At.

And I will probably be reinforcing myself with a little bit of ketone esters as well as I fly to help protect myself with some potential radiation from.

Flying. Yeah, that's fantastic. Ketone esters, my stacks, ketone esters, hydrogen tablets, magnesium and some kind of antioxidant like C60 for example is really good. And then I do the EMF blocking gear like the no choice, the full body suit. And then typically if it's a long haul flight, I'll do an NAD patch and I'll also, if it's a long flight, do super high dose melatonin for the anti inflammatory benefits like the sublingual troches from mitozen or even the suppository for mitozen. So you're getting like 300 milligrams of melatonin, which is one of the most potent anti inflammatories you can have in your body during the whole flight. And I know a couple people who also use for a similar anti inflammatory effect, even though I don't do this as much. Ozone oil capsules or methylene blue. And the reason I don't like those is they kind of wake you up, they're super excitatory. And I like to sleep on the airplane, so I like to use melatonin as like the big guns for.

Inflammation, you know, you like the melatonin suppositories from Dr. John Laurent or like the dissolvable ones in your.

Mouth? Yeah, it depends. For like a super long haul flight, the suppositories are fine because you're just kind of like, you know, if I'm flying and by long haul I mean like you know, eight plus hours. And I try to fly business if I can, so I'm able to lay down, you know, on a lounging chair and if you're seated for a long period of time with the suppository up your butt, sometimes stuff can go wrong. But if I'm laying down, I'll do the suppository and then otherwise they've got sublingual trochees, like they call it the sandman bar. And you just put a little bit under your tongue and those are really good too. There's another new company called Troscriptions and they've got one called Trozy. It's not melatonin, it's Gaba. And that stuff's pretty amazing too, just for the sleeping component. So yeah, there's quite a bit in my airplane bag. But man, I love being able to feel like a million bucks when I walk off the plane and just feel like I don't have to go curl up in my hotel room and pass out for a couple.

Hours. Oh, one thing I was going to mention as well, Dr. J, he used to be like your co host on the show.

Right? Jay Wiles. Yeah. The other guy I was talking about was John Laurence. But Dr. J. Wiles, separate note.

I was like, I've talked to him on and off for like the last two years or so. I've done some HONU stuff with him for HRV measuring and he has coming up with like, he offered me to go out to South Carolina and do like this whole brain mapping kind of assessment just to see like, I mean just the last couple of years have been kind of rough on my central nervous system. So to see which regions of the brain are active or too active or not functioning very highly at all. So I'm just really taking a deep dive and making sure that no stone is on.

Turn. That's a super valuable test. As a matter of fact, it can even show indication of mold, mycotoxin like Lyme or Epstein Barr co infections along with areas of the brain that could be fixed with neurofeedback. So yeah, I've probably done a brain map every year for the past seven years. My last couple were with a company called Jyzen in Mill Valley, California. But then peak brain in LA does them. Dr. J. Wiles, like you mentioned, shout out to Dr. J. He does them. But yeah, they're super beneficial. I think more people should know about them because they're not super expensive and you get a lot of really interesting data about your brain. But anyways, is there any other cool things you want to share with folks? Just in the few minutes we have left.

Here? Oh, sensory deprivation tanks. Flow tanks. Love me a good flow tank. Sitting in the magnesium salt for an hour. There's so many different benefits between absorbing the magnesium through your skin and just. It's in the title itself, the sensory deprivation. So, yeah, and you just get an hour to float and kind of lose your mind a little bit, but that's the beauty in.

It. And is that ketamine fueled or non ketamine.

Fueled?

Non ketamine fueled. I've never tried that kind of therapy, but it's definitely interesting. For.

Sure. Yeah, a lot of people like that. It's like the Turkey and Cranberries with the isolation tank. I personally don't like to feel like I'm high in a dark chamber filled with water, but some people do. That's your thing. Well, no, this is super interesting. I'm going to link to the GQ article. I'm going to link to all your socials, even though I know you're never on them, apparently. And I'll hunt down some of this stuff like the LED light and the bfr, and I'll link to a lot of this stuff in the show, notes for people who want to take a deeper dive. But dude, what a fascinating approach you have to fitness and recovery. So I appreciate you coming on and hopefully people can follow you and learn a little bit more about what you.

Do. Well, thank you, Ben. Thank you for everything that you do and for helping me on this.

Path. Word, man. My pleasure. And folks, BenGreenfieldLife.com ThorPodcast T H O R Podcast is where you can leave your comments, your questions, your show notes, your feedback about anything. So I'd love to see you pipe in. I read all those. Leave the show review wherever you're listening in. Until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield with Noah Syndergaard. Have an amazing week.