The Intersection Of Energy Medicine, Spirituality & Medical Results with Jeremy Stich

My name is Ben Greenfield and on this episode of the Ben Greenfield Life podcast.

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What you are about to hear is a crazy, crazy podcast interview. I don't think I did it justice, honestly. I visited a place called the bioenergetic Institute in Lexington, Kentucky. I walk in this place and I'm greeted by an old friend of mine who I'd known from the precision medicine space back in the day. A guy named Dr. Jeremy Stitch. Super smart, cool down to earth dude. And he had been texting me these cryptic texts for the past few months that he was building some crazy new biohacking meets spirituality, meets diagnostics, meets healing type of modality. But I really wasn't quite sure what he meant. A lot of these things you got to experience for yourself. So my wife drops me off at his place and she goes off to run some errands and I go in there and it's in this tight clean room, kind of in this cool pretty area outside Lexington. And right in the middle of the room is this massive Tesla coil. It looks like something off of the deck of Star Trek fueled Trekkies. I suppose maybe something from an Avengers spaceship or whatever for you modern day new fangled kiddos. Anyways, if you've seen like the biocharger before, which is a Tesla coil, it was like that. It's like basically like a giant Tesla coil. So this is in the center of the room and this thing's just like blasting the entire space and you smell essential oils and this coil is just like lighting up the whole room with energy, specifically pulse electromagnetic field energy that we talk about in this podcast. That was kind of crazy. It was interesting. I was like, well, I have a biocharger. I've kind of felt these type of frequencies hit my body before. They're cool, they're very healing, they're very energizing, depending on what kind of state you happen to desire to be in, what the frequencies are doing to your body. But then he takes me in this other separate side room, like a treatment facility or a patient room, and there's this crazy glass crystal bowl esque looking device attached via a long coil to, to these magnetic foot pads. And he sits me down, he has put me, put both my feet on the pads and has me hold this glass bowl in my hands. And then he says, basically he tells me to just get ready for this crazy experience. I put on noise, or not a noise eye, a light blocking mask, I can talk today. And I put in headphones. And then he told me to just play some deep meditative music. So I did. And. And then he flips this thing on and look, I know maybe not all of you have done like psilocybin or LSD or like gone on a plant medicine journey or experienced some like Deep, deep out of body experience. Maybe holotropic breath work is something else. You might have experienced something like this before. My whole body just, like, went to a different planet. I was weeping, I was sobbing, I was laughing, I was, like holding my breath for what felt like five minutes. I was just in this whole trance like state as all these electrical waves went through my body. They weren't painful. It was just these pulsed electromagnetic fields just surging through my whole body, adjusting my cellular voltage all over the place, including my brain. And we talk about the science in this episode. So I'm just kind of laying down the groundwork for you about what I experienced there. It felt like hours. He comes back in the room. I guess I'd been there about 40 minutes or so, and my body just felt as though somebody had pushed the reboot button on it. Like my nervous system had gotten the reboot button pushed on it. And then he's like, okay, you're ready for the treatment. And I'm like, oh, gee, I thought that was the treatment. But what happened was he was in the other room doing the same thing. So now he's all charged up with this electricity. He has me continue to sit down, but now he puts both his feet on the pad. I'm still holding the bowl. And that means his hands are completing the circuit. And he starts to go through up and down my body with almost like this electrical massage using his hands. And every time he'd find, like, a nerve or an area that needed to be treated, my muscles would vibrate. And a couple of times, like, they would even spark, like, produce sparks that went over into his hand. And he basically treated my whole body up and down my spine, reset my whole nervous system, hit the hips. And then he even treated my knee, which was bugging me a little bit. And.

It was crazy. It was crazy. Like, as though I was being electrically massaged is the best way I can describe it. And so then he finished with this, like, this final 10 minute session back to what I'd done before to kind of like align everything after he'd finished the session. And then we recorded the podcast you're about to hear, and I was dead. I felt like I'd been hit by a truck. Like, that sounds bad, but I didn't want to record a podcast. I was like, I need to go lay down. I need to go, like, meditate or something because my body is telling me, like, have you ever had a massage before and you don't want to just go back to work? You want to Go chill, read a book, sit around. That's how I felt. And so I did the podcast. And I apologize for the wind, by the way. We went for a walk, there was a little bit of wind, but you'll get the information either way. Practice what I preach. We were walking in the sunshine outside of his office. So I finally. He drops me back off at the hotel where my wife and I are staying. And I walk in, I tell my wife, I'm like, I don't know if I can go to dinner tonight. Because we had planned to go to dinner with a bunch of friends. I'm like, I just need to go lock myself away in the room for a little while because my body just felt weird, like frazzled. So I go in there in the room, I close my eyes and just let myself center. And I meditated for about 25 minutes, just deep breathing, eyes closed. After 25 minutes, my eyes popped open and I stood up and I was like on top of the world. Like, not only did I feel like clean as a belt, like I was 16 years old, I slept like a baby that night. I woke up the next day just charged up, full of energy. I had to go catch a plane and fly to another place. I was just like on top of the friggin world. And I mean, I don't remember if I even asked Jeremy during this interview, but basically I'm like, okay, where can I get this thing? Because you could actually have a friend do the electrical massage on you or massage therapist, because the body is just talking via electricity back to the therapist so they don't have to be super duper duper trained to do it. You could sit with this thing in your home, holding the ball in your hands, meditating in the mornings. I haven't even really grasped the concept of how deep this could penetrate into medicine, particularly as an electrical modality and kind of like the frontier of medicine. But hopefully that gives you an idea of the experience I had that led up to the discussion that you're about to hear. First with a couple of patients of doctor Stitches and then with Jeremy Stitch himself. So enjoy. It was called the Bioenergetic Institute by a company called Amortal A M M O R T L. And the Notes are at BenGreenfieldLife.com amortal A M M O R T A L so Gwen, tell me about what you experienced here and how you came to know about this stuff.

Yeah, totally. So in 2013, at 29 years old, I was diagnosed with two different types of cancer. Independent from one another, supposedly unrelated. So Hodgkin's lymphoma and thyroid cancer.

And to say that my life upended at that point would be an understatement. I went from being a pretty healthy, or I thought pretty healthy person to having a team of oncologists and radiologists and more doctors than I ever cared to interact with at that point in my life. So.

The first cancer that they treated was the thyroid cancer. And I had a total thyroidectomy for that and had some post surgical complications. My parathyroid glands were damaged during the surgery, so my blood calcium level dropped really fast, really critically. I ended up hospitalized for that and then on long term calcium supplementation to try to get me to a normal level. And then after surgery for the thyroid cancer, we started chemo for the Hodgkin's lymphoma. And that was really intense. It was every week for eight weeks, which ended up being a little delayed because of complications.

And you lost your parathyroids too, right?

Yeah. So the parathyroids were damaged during the thyroidectomy. That's what.

Not functioning, gone, like not operational at all whatsoever.

They've got a tiny, tiny blood supply. So when you do the surgery, like, it's. It's not hard to cut one or two of them. Unfortunately, you lost all.

And they're responsible for basically all the calcium modulation in the body, right?

Yeah. So your parathyroids release something called parathyroid hormone, which basically triggers your osteoclasts in your body to chew up bone and basically release that bone mineralization into your bloodstream. And when you don't have parathyroid hormone, your osteoclasts don't do their job, so they don't chew up that bone. Your blood calcium level drops off really fast, and there's no homeostatic system in place to keep that in check without the parathyroid hormone. So I was taking 10,000 milligrams of calcium daily along with the prescription calcitriol, which is just the active form of vitamin D, to try to increase my absorption of it. But yeah, had not been, had not had a normal calcium level since November of 2013.

So.

And I'll get into how that plays into the story after the rest of the chemo trauma. Okay, so chemo for the Hodgkin's lymphoma, which was really intensive and totally knocked out my immune system like numerous times, ended up hospitalized. Neutropenic, had to miss weeks of chemo, which prolonged things.

Ended up doing a month of radiation every day after that to the areas that I had the most disease, which were kind of through my mediastinum. So chest from basically shoulders down to my diaphragm had the highest dose of radiation. So I came out of this happily cancer free and in remission, but with a whole host of complications caused by my treatment. So my immune system never came back after chemo. I was neutropenic. My white blood cell count was super, super low. My CD4 count, which is one of your types of white blood cells, was below that of someone with aids. So I was like the bubble kid.

And I had decided as I went through treatment, I had this calling, spiritual calling, awakening to.

Go into medicine. I found that route through pursuing nursing. So went back to nursing school and became an RN and then went on to get my master's for family nurse practitioner. And through that journey was on this mission to not just help other people heal, but to help myself heal. I knew that there must have been an element of health that I had missed previously. Like, before I was diagnosed with cancer, I exercised every day. I ate right. Like, I thought I had it really dialed in.

Obviously I didn't never heard that before.

By the way, I know I'm exercising.

Big surprise there.

Men's health magazine tells me to eat.

What's going on here?

Yeah, exactly.

So was on this quest for like the missing pieces of medicine, so to speak. And after being traditionally educated through my master's, I was left feeling like, hang on a second, like, now I'm an NP and I'm supposed to be providing top level care to my patients, and yet I feel like I haven't even learned how to provide that care. Right. Like, I knew how to write prescriptions and how to manage chronic disease and the way that we are told to manage it in our medical system. But it wasn't working. Like, all of the patients I was seeing were diabetic or in pain or diagnosed with cancer. Like, it's just this onslaught of health issues that we see in our country. And it was so clear to me that we were missing something. So in that search, I ended up connecting into a fellowship in genomic medicine. Felt like that could provide more information, more keys to what I was looking for. And at that point, I connected with Dr. Stich, who was running that fellowship, and.

We ended up talking about bioenergetic medicine, which I never heard of before in my entire life. But being fairly open minded and on this quest for, like, those foundational elements of health, I was open to. So I First experienced this as a patient. And after two sessions of using the.

PEMF machine, which I'll give Jeremy a chance to define exactly what we mean. We see things like bioenergetic medicine and pemf. Medicine machine.

Yeah.

And he's way better at explaining the science behind that. I don't even want to try to. To delve into that. But after two hands on sessions with this PEMF machine, I started feeling different. My body just felt different. I'm pretty dialed in.

Same one that I just did. Like, similar.

Yeah, Yep.

Exactly what you just did.

Pretty crazy.

But all of a sudden I started feeling like my muscles felt different. Like everything just started feeling different. And I'm pretty intuitive about, like my body sense at this point. So I started dropping off my calcium level. I was like, I don't think I need all this calcium. So incrementally took it down to like 5000 milligrams. Still was feeling fine, no muscle cramps, working out every day. Took it down to 250mg and then was like, I think I should go get my level checked. Like, I feel like something's different. So went into my endocrinologist, had him draw labs. My calcium level was smack dab in the middle of normal for the first time since 2013. So persistently depressed for like eight and a half years.

Damaged parathyroid.

Exactly. Yep. And spontaneous. Spontaneous in air quotes. Resolution. Eight and a half years later, after two sessions on this, the other part of that, in those labs, I had just like a basic CBC.

And panel drawn and my white count came back totally normal.

Wow.

So at that point, I was like, all right, this is the foundational piece of medicine of health that I'm looking for.

Yeah.

And you got out of the bubble.

And I got out of the bubble.

Yeah.

I'm no longer in the bubble.

I'm not in a bubble. Do you still do the treatments?

The PEMF treatments? Yeah, absolutely. So I am a practitioner now. So I not only receive treatments, I also give treatments.

Yeah.

So we hired her pretty quickly to be our clinical director because we're like, oh, man, that's a story that needs to be told.

Well, both you and Jeremy mentioned, you know, you, like, you'll, like, meditate with this in the mornings. Like, you'll just like sit there holding it. It's almost like a crystal ball that puts a frequency through your body and you'll do like prayer and meditation and centering and everything right there holding it.

Yep.

So for me, it was the connection Of, I mean, like, obviously PEMF is a tech modality.

Right.

Like, it isn't. It's kind of like forest bathing, but through like an electronic device, I like to say, but setting the intention, like integrating in that spiritual component and whatever that looks like for the person, because it's different for everybody, but the connection to something larger than yourself. Right. Setting your intention of practice when you're using therapies like this increases their effectiveness and basically like sets a target point that your body works towards.

Yeah, yeah. You call it force bathing. I've called PMF in the past. Earthing on steroids. Yeah. And this is something totally different. Like, you know, I've. I've used the biocharger. I've used a lot of different modalities before. This is different. You. You feel the current going through your whole body. And then I'll let you talk a little bit later on, Jeremy, about how you'll like sit there and literally like do therapies with your hands passing the current through your body. And that was just. That was wacky. Super cool. Now that's a powerful story. I know you also have Chuck here. Should we talk to Chuck before you.

Start to fill us in on the science behind all this stuff and how.

You discovered it in the first place?

Yeah, because the science is kind of geeky anyway, so we'll get the cool stuff first.

Let's talk to Chuck. All right, so we got Chuck, another one of Jeremy's patients in here. What's up, Chuck? Not much.

How are you?

I'm pretty good. I'm really good after I've been spending the morning here getting. Getting all treated up by these crazy space age looking devices. Tell me about your experience here and. And why you came to do this in the first place.

Well, I've known Jeremy for, I guess, eight years now. Eight or nine years. And I was diagnosed to 2020, March 2020 with stage four colorectal cancer metastasized to my liver.

Have been pretty much level for two and a half years, I guess, with no significant decrease in size. And so Jeremy contacts me and says, I've got something I think you should try.

Yeah.

And. And I did.

I tried it.

And the first thing we noticed was my tumor marker level went from 60 to 25. So more than half.

Wow.

And hadn't changed in a year, probably.

Wow.

The next thing. And literally last week I got scans that show a significant change.

The lesions that were on my liver are no longer measurable. And they were measurable prior. One went from 3 and a half by 2 and a half centimeters to not even showing up.

Were you coming in here like every day and doing it once a week?

He was just charging on his own.

Just charging them all.

So. So this thing is actually. It's a wellness device. I mean, it's not. It's not some sophisticated. Yeah. It's just providing current and frequency. That's it. And a tiny micro current at that. Chuck uses it about 30 minutes to an hour once a week. Is that about right? That's right. You were literally coming into my basement. Yes.

I literally walk into his basement and charge for 30 minutes to an hour.

So the effects are that powerful. Even once a week. You were seeing those kind of results?

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And the other thing I noticed too is not just those great results. For me, the recovery from having chemo.

Yeah.

Prior to doing this, chemo would literally knock me down and just exhausted and couldn't really, you know, function great. I went from that to getting unhooked from chemo and going to work. So the approach.

The approach is sort of a multi modality thing. Right. So it's not. It doesn't replace anything. It's complementary. You've got chemo, which is essentially a lytic destruction. It's a force of destruction.

Right.

It's point is to kill. You have to have that because you're trying to kill a cancer that's growing fast. It makes total sense. But we just haven't really addressed like, how does somebody recover from that? So you add just a few more ingredients. And you've already done a lot to change your lifestyle. You're super connected guy. You're super spiritual. I mean, it's not like you haven't done all the deeper work.

Correct.

Right, right. But it was a cool addition. Oh, absolutely. Helped with recovery. And we're happy to see some. Some really cool results. So I don't want this to be like, hey, this cures everything.

Right, Right, exactly. And it just like you said, it's complementary to.

To what I'm doing.

And.

And the whole. You're right. The spiritual connection of it is alone is amazing.

But you don't see modern oncology using a lot of electrical medicine.

No.

But we'll talk about that later.

All right.

Because.

Yeah.

Yeah, you don't at all.

So.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, after hearing those two stories just between Gwen and Chuck, I'm sure that people want to know more about the history of this stuff and how it works. So. So first of all, Chuck, thank you for sharing this. Thank you. And thank you. Now, folks, Jeremy and I are going to duck out in this beautiful Kentucky sunshine. We're going to go on a walk, as you're accustomed to me doing on some of these podcasts that I record. And you're going to get the kimono open, so to speak, on all this stuff. Ready to do this, Jeremy?

Let's do it.

So, Jeremy, we met a few years back through a couple of mutual acquaintances. My only experience with you really was you were a doctor, you were working with the Wild Health Organization, doing some of the genomics based medicine. And then we didn't really stay in that close of touch for a while. We kind of bounced back and forth and talked occasionally. And then about a year ago, you started hinting to me that you were doing some really interesting forms of electrical medicine. And I had already kind of been tuned into that a little bit, not only with my own experience with the biocharger and pulse electromagnetic field therapy and electrical muscle stimulation, some of this stuff that's interesting. But then also, you know, I'd had kind of sort of the equivalent of like electrical acupuncture done up in Ohio with that faith healer guy, Issam Nimey, which was an interesting experience as well. And so I kind of sort of understood what you were telling me, but didn't really have my head wrapped around it until like 2 hours ago when you actually brought me through a full treatment and kind of blew my mind with it here in Lexington. So, you know, there's obviously a little bit of a technical explanation here, but first I just want to hear how you kind of got into this. Like, what drew you from basically like allopathy and precision genomics medicine into this?

Well, like, first of all, thanks for having me on. This is a super honor. Cool program, and I just feel blessed. Cool story. So with everything, it's usually the personal story that kind of drives change, and that was exactly what happened here. So there's three of them. There's mine, my oldest daughter and my next daughter. And I'll go through them in the Reader's Digest version. Okay, so my story, I had eosinophilic esophagitis and hypertension at the time.

I'm sure everybody's nodding their head, pretending like they know what eosophonic esophagus cephalopagus actually is.

How's it gonna get there, man? So imagine like your throat, your esophagus has these strictures in it, so it's really tight. And I got to the point where I couldn't Swallow anything that was larger than like a small ibuprofen.

Wow.

And I had high blood pressure. Right. So allopathic medicine has some treatment suggestions and surgeries. So you basically go and you get your esophagus dilated so that you can swallow. And it got to the point it was kind of funny. I was like eating curry and the chicken got stuck in my throat. My. My office staff was like, oh, he's doing it again. And they were laughing. I was like, okay, I got to do something about this.

Yeah.

But anyway, so. So that was me at the time. I was the co founder at Wild Health. I was kind of serving as the COO at the time and. And basically just helping scale it, which put me at a unique position. Right. I'm at the front of seeing all these folks coming through, presenting their cutting edge medicine and learning cutting edge medicine. And I didn't have solutions.

Yeah.

And that's what made me start searching. Right.

And I looked, because this cutting edge medicine, like you're analyzing every biomarker and gene snipping the human body and looking at the entire chemistry of everything that's going on and you're not getting solutions from that.

Yeah. And on top of that, like, I was directing at that time the fellowship, and at the fellowship we're teaching like 200 clinicians a year. So these are also cutting edge people who are bringing their cutting edge ideas. So I felt like I was at the tip of the spear. And I was. But there are still no solutions.

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So basically I start studying this. I did like an acupuncture course and started studying microcurrent and started making some progress on myself and with patients. And I was like, okay, there's something to this. There's a blend of eastern and western medicine that actually makes sense.

Yeah. And electric acupuncture. That's literally like the tiny needles go in like the same as you would experience it, like a Chinese acupuncture clinic. But then they're actually applying a current into those. In those needles.

Yeah. 100%.

100%.

So we call it microcurrent acupuncture. And I was getting good results. I was getting like 40% improvement in a lot of conditions that were tough to treat. And just tracking the results, and that's where I'm like, okay, there's something to this. And I would try it on myself. Took a course, you did a fellowship. And it was, it was neat stuff. Okay. So that's my story. And essentially I was noticing some improvement. The next story is my daughter. So I had a daughter who is now 14. At the time, she was like 7 or 8. And she developed this lytic lesion on her bone. So.

A lytic lesion?

Yeah, I'll go into that. So essentially it was on her collarbone and it's a lesion that eats away at the bone. And we first thought it was something called osteomyelitis, which is a bone infection.

Yeah.

Did surgeries on it, saw pathologists, saw oncologists, and they're like, listen, it's either a bone infection or it's bone cancer. And we don't know. And this is like an 8 year old kid going through multiple surgeries.

Wow.

So her mom starts like praying over her and she goes, I know she's gonna get better. And we're like, we're seeing. To kind of put this in perspective, right. We're seeing one of the top pediatric oncology, orthopedics. So this is a guy who has taken more school than I can even imagine. Right.

Like the best of best of modern medicine.

Yeah, yeah. And he's telling us, we don't know what this is. It's either cancer or it's a really bad, hard to find infection. And we've been through courses of antibiotics. This is like a six month stint. And all of a sudden she gets better. So I'm like, okay, here's two cases now, one I've known about for a while where like, faith and intention have come into the mix and somebody gets better. And then my case. So the third case is my other daughter. The background on her, she's got spina bifida. She was adopted from outside of Moscow, Russia. Correct.

Gotta clarify, people, because, like, I'm moving to a town called Moscow, Idaho. So that's gonna come up more and more of the podcast. So we'll clarify some. So you adopt this, this girl from Moscow, Russia's spina bifida.

Yeah, it was actually a toss up between we're gonna adopt from Moscow, Idaho or Moscow.

Of course.

Yeah, yeah.

So, yes, Moscow, Russia. And she's got spina bifida.

And when she came back, obviously, like to the States, it's somewhat traumatic. She's got essentially no treatment and some substantial developmental delays because of that. But one of the biggest things was she had pretty severe contractures on her feet, but was super motivated. So I had this beautiful kid who's super motivated and willing to try just about anything. And like any good parent would do, we tried all sorts of things. Allopathic medicine.

Right.

Because you have access to all this stuff. Because you're a trained md, Right?

Yeah, trained md. And that's where we start, right?

Yeah.

So essentially.

We get to the edge where she's kind of just going through the motions. She's seeing all the specialists at one of the top three children's hospitals in the world, and we weren't making any progress. In fact, what they were telling us was that she would probably get worse and would probably be in a wheelchair. So, you know, we're like, that's not good enough. So we start exploring. And my interest takes me down to this whole bioenergetic medicine. And that's where it started really clicking because I saw her do like the microcurrent acupuncture. And I saw her get functional improvement. Specifically, she had about a 30, 40% improvement in her calf circumference, which in a kid with spina bifida, they don't have nerves that work, that innervate their calves.

Got it.

And by the way, this microcurrent acupuncture, if someone were receiving that as a treatment, how often are they doing something like that?

It varies. You know, some people do one treatment, some people do a series of 10 treatments. Okay. It's something I do. I don't do a lot of it.

Like you personally are trained in that, Correct?

Okay. It's the MRA. It's what? Dr.

Same thing with Dr. Nimi. And by the way, if you guys want to listen to my interview with Dr. Nimey about electric acupuncture and kind of like his faith based healing practice and how he combines the two, I'll link to that if you go to BenGreenfieldLife.com amortal A M M O R T A L. Yeah, yeah.

And essentially watching him do that on my daughter, which is where this inspiration came from, was like, okay, there is definitely something to this where we're combining these modalities.

Okay.

And with those three stories, what we saw was we saw a young lady who was not able to walk very far without braces, and she still has spina bifida. Like, that doesn't go away, but she's able to walk without braces. Her strength is much, much better. Her independence, which is most important, is also much better. So with those three stories, I'm like, I have to start thinking outside of the box. You know, when you're trailblazing and when you're cutting trail, you kind of get to the edge and you've got a whole troop behind you. Your only choices are to turn back where you came from or to keep going or just stand there or stand there. I guess that's true.

Some people do that call stagnation.

So that's what really led us on this journey. And it's been a fun one. I learned all sorts of cool things, met lots and lots of really cool people.

Okay. So this journey, what I just. Because I've done electric acupuncture, I've done like the treatment Dr. Nimey up in Ohio. And it was interesting. And I experienced something this morning that was way different than that. And I don't even know where to start. Like, do you want to explain how you came to find this technology? Is that a good place to start?

Sure, we can do that. So that's part of my story. I'm. I'm on the search, Right. I've seen this microcurrent, acupuncture. I'm going doing fellowship trainings and reading books. I'm getting deep, deep, deep into quantum physics. And not just that, but, like, actually studying, like, the lives of the physicists who found it, like Tesla. And my wife thought I was crazy, but that's another story.

So one of these journeys leads me to a guy near Seattle who has this strange device that I hadn't heard of before. It's a type of PEMF device, and it essentially.

Pemf. Just real quick to make sure. Pulsed Electromagnetic Field therapy. So it's a pulsing electrical and magnetic field that is typically in contact with your body or very close to your body that is typically somehow increasing or decreasing the cell voltage.

Exactly.

Okay.

Exactly. So I started bringing that into the mix. And the really important take home from that story is that through this PEMF therapy and doing targeted treatments on my own neck, where I had a neck injury, my blood pressure improved. Now, mind you, at the time, I didn't want to bore people too much, but at the time, I was, like, 37 years old in really, really good shape. Like helping run a precision genetics company.

Yeah.

And teaching all these guys. So again, you think you're, like, at the top and you got a lot of lessons to learn. That was me.

So applying this PEMF to my neck specifically in one place relieved the blood pressure.

And again, made me think, well, I didn't have to use a needle to do that.

Right?

Right. Because I had this training in the fellowship, and prior to that, I'm poking people with needles.

Anytime you can mention you can do something without needle phobia, people will perk up.

100%. 100%. So I started trying it.

All you gotta do is get electrically shocked. I'm just kidding.

I did it a few times and caused that. But it's a static shock. And, you know, you quickly realize that if you don't have to use invasive procedures like needles and acupuncture, then all the much more better. And that's what brought me to using the tech. So it was a cool story. I took the tech and I was like, let's figure out a way to make this wait.

This guy you met in Seattle, what was he doing with this technology? Was he just playing around there? Did he have a plan for it?

No, he had a plan for it, and he had a plan to scale it. And it takes an army to do that kind of thing.

Right.

You've got to get research and you've got it. Prove the science out. So that was the idea behind this thing. And we started partnering on strategies to do that and take it to market with the goal of if we could put this in people's homes and they can heal themselves, that puts me out of business. And that's a good thing. Kind of a weird business mentality. Yeah, it's better for the human, for all of humanity.

Okay, so you've got this PEMF device and are you like modifying it or is it the same thing I just experienced back at the clinic? Is that exactly what you had experienced in Washington?

Yeah. So that's a prototype.

Okay.

And essentially this brings us into the science.

Yeah. Because I want to know how this works. The nerdy part of me, and I know a lot of my audience is into the kind of like the health hacking side of things. So explain to me what's actually going on. What was I experiencing back there when my whole body was just like getting electrically tuned, so to speak?

All right, so this is a multi faceted thing. Let's start with the simplicity. Most people overestimate PEMF and electromagnetic fields. If you start by imagining yourself doing what we're doing now. We're walking in nature, right? We've got the sights and sounds of nature around us. So we are just exposed to thousands and thousands of biofields, our natural primal environment, natural electricity. Right. And those fields provide data in the form of frequency. So you've got electromagnetic fields, that's the carrier, that's the wave, and you've got data in the form of frequency, how often those waves hit you. Right. That's this very, very dumbed down, simplistic version of what PEMF is doing. It's providing those things and there's all sorts of different varieties. So what we did was.

We take this therapy and we want to make sure that it's delivered in a analogous way that the body can receive it. So we are organic creatures and that means we have this sinusoidal wave. It's called an analog wave. It looks like, you know, a wavy up and down sine wave that you learned about in calculus. Yeah, we're not digital creatures. So we realized pretty quickly that using a digital signal wasn't giving us the results that we were using. A Digital signal is 1, 0. So it's straight up and it's straight down. It doesn't look like that wavy motion that you want in A sine wave, right?

What did you say? It's more like a square waveform. Digital waveform.

Exactly.

Okay.

That's exactly what it is.

Yeah. I picture my head. I know what you're talking about.

So we realized that, and then we realized that most of the frequency based therapy is a recipe based theory. It's essentially like we know that 15Hz is good for wound healing and neuropathy, and we know that 420 is good for feeling good in meditation or whatever.

Right. So that would be like when I use the bio charge, I could set on energy, on sleep, on relaxation. It's running a specific recipe.

Right. And there's nothing wrong with that approach. Except that when you use that approach, you have to study every single one of those fields and you're not necessarily replicating nature or you're doing it in a very, very slow way that doesn't progress very far. Okay, Right. So the difference then is being able to apply a whole range of random analog frequencies at one time. So the approach that we took was let's replicate nature.

We basically introduced all these frequencies at one time in a way that the body can receive them. And we then let the body decide which ones it wants. So instead of giving you a recipe and saying, Ben, you need 15, 300, 1600 and 20, 40 hertz today, we say, Ben, let's give you a tiny microcurrent and a range of frequencies and let your body know what it needs best.

You're just kind of throwing the whole cookbook at my body and said, exactly.

In a very safe way. And then it grounds out whatever you don't need.

Okay.

And that's what you receive today. So you're receiving this tiny microcurrent. It ranges from about four to six microvolts. Very, very small. But you're receiving a range of frequencies that are analogous to your body.

Okay. So as I'm sitting there receiving those frequencies, like you had me wear headphones, you had me put on a mask. Is that typically what somebody would do? Like let's say you're sick or let's say you want recovery or performance, does it matter? You just sit there and you meditate or you listen to music, or you, you can't read a book because you're holding like this weird looking like space agey crystal that's putting the field through your body. But like how, how do you actually use the thing?

So the space age crystal is actually, it's actually like a globe of vacuum. It's got neon gas in it that's one of the ways that those frequencies, that range of frequency is delivered. But to your point, yes, everybody gets a benefit no matter what. But I mentioned intention a couple times, and the intention comes in the focus. What are you doing with that? So there's studies out there. This is not new to the medical world. There's studies that say if a intervention.

If a patient believes it's going to work, it's going to work better, and if their clinician believes it's going to work, it's going to work better and both of them believe it's going to work best. So that's what the research says. So we just applied that intention and that mindset to healing. So the belief is the body is well designed, and with intention, we can dictate where that goes. Does that make sense?

It does. With playing devil's advocate, have you ever kind of experimented with the idea or tested this in patients of someone just sitting in a chair, closing their eyes, setting an intention, putting on a mask, listening to music, and comparing that to the people who are actually using the device and doing the same thing?

Absolutely, man. It's stack therapy. So that's the idea. None of those are bad individually. They work better together. If you can replicate the natural environment that humans are in and we have a good mindset, we heal better.

Now, this idea, though, of the electrical treatment on the body, affecting the body in some way is something that I think still needs a little bit of explanation. When I sat down, you told me about my cells and my cell voltage, and maybe that'd be a good place to start. Tell me about what theoretically could be going on here from a cellular standpoint. This whole idea of cellular voltage.

Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. I'll give a little history on this, but before I do, I want to give a synopsis. So every cell has a voltage. That voltage is called a resting membrane potential. And the theory behind it is that by restoring the resting membrane potential, the cells communicate to each other better. If you look at the structure of a cell, you know that the membrane is where all the action happens. The ions are being exchanged there. There are all sorts of gated channels, ligand gated, mechanical gated, voltage gated, whatever. All the talk happens at the cell surface, and it also maintains a voltage, and it does that by pumping ions in and out.

Yeah.

So for two cells to be able to talk to each other, they have to speak the same language. They can speak different dialects, they're different dialects. It'll work. If it's completely different language, it doesn't work. And by restoring that cellular voltage, what we're doing is we're basically putting all the cells at an equal playing field. And typically we think of the neuron. That's the classic example. So a neuron's resting membrane potential is typically around negative 70 millivolts. It fires at negative 55. And if we can figure out ways that we restore all those cells to their resting membrane potential, they fire better, they communicate better.

Is it true that exposure to a lot of non native emf, like cell phone radiation and WI fi and possibly even Bluetooth, would cause, in the way it's been explained to me, a calcium influx, with calcium being a positively charged ion that would actually shift the negative 70 towards like a negative 40 or negative 30 or to a point where depolarization is less likely to occur. And so therefore, one of the problems with our evolutionary mismatched society in terms of the electrical soup we live in, the non native electrical soup we live in, is that our cells are in a state of suboptimal depolarization. They're basically at a slightly higher mill level potential than they should be at.

Yeah, that's definitely the theory I subscribe to. There's multiple theories.

Okay.

I would also argue there's probably more to that story, and it's a really interesting one, which is overexposure. We can adapt to a lot of a big variety. Think about again, using that example, a human out in a forest, tons and tons of different frequencies, right? Put that human underneath a cell phone tower or underneath a bunch of power lines, and then there's one dominant frequency that is overexposed, Right?

So and it is that dominant frequency also one of those square waveform frequencies.

A lot of times it is, yeah.

Okay. And then also is the hertz important? Because like, I know the Earth naturally emits like 0-100Hz or so, which is a frequency that's almost like energizing to the human body. But then, you know, that's hertz. And then you look at like your WI fi router, is that like gigahertz, like a much more powerful frequency?

It is. I don't, I don't necessarily think though the hertz is as big of a player as we think. To me, the hertz represents the data, okay? So the data is what travels on the wave, and that comes in the form of how many times does that wave hit you, its frequency.

So it's more the delivery mechanism that that package is being Received in.

Yeah, that's the way I think of it. Okay.

All right, Got it.

So back to the cellular voltage. So you have the cellular voltage hypothesis, and what's happening in terms of the way that something like this bioelectrical modality is affecting the cell polarization.

Yeah. So you're delivering a microcurrent. So we're delivering the two things, the data, which is what we just talked about. You're also delivering the micro current. And that microcurrent is essentially like shaking up molecules and providing energy to restore cells to their native voltage. So I'll give a good example. It's clearest when we could talk about examples. Let's say we've got somebody like Gwen, who we talked to earlier.

Yeah.

She's got hypothyroidism.

Okay.

Right. She doesn't have a thyroid gland, or at least most of her thyroid gland. That's working because it got removed. But what's working is suboptimal. So the voltage on those cells, if you were to actually go in and measure them cell by cell, which is really hard to do. That's why it's just now emerging as a science. What you find is that diseased cells have lower voltage. Okay. Closer to zero.

And they've actually measured that.

Yeah. And there's actually companies, Ben, that. That will test this stuff in vivo. Like, at some point, I would love.

To connect you, like take a tumor cell and testing it in a body.

Yeah. Like during breast cancer surgery. There's. That's actually a modality.

That's how you do it in vivo.

Yeah. You put two little probes and you say, oh, this one there's a negative 15 charge. That's probably cancer. This one there's a negative 70. That's healthy.

It's probably normal tissue. Like those old school frog like experiments, except they do it on cells and.

The cooler looking equipment. Yeah, but it's the. It literally goes back to those early 1900s experiments that you're describing.

Wow. Okay, so you can measure it. So you're back to. Back to Gwen and her hypothyroidism. Explain that to me.

Right. So if in her case that tissue has a voltage that's closer to zero, there's not much gradient, there's not much happening at that cell surface. Whereas, like, let's say her muscle tissue has negative 55, which is the resting membrane potential. It's good and healthy. Right. So if we can get those two tissues to maintain their native resting membrane potentials, and they're standing next to Each other. Then if there's a signal that's going across one into the other, it's going to be picked up. If that other one is sitting at negative 15 and it's supposed to be sitting at negative 70 and the first one is where it's supposed to be right at 55, what's happening at the surface of the cells can be congruent. It can be translated all along the cellular surface. Okay, right. And that happens in forms of energy. Right. It's literally just electricity that eventually causes movement, AKA kinetic energy.

Okay, got it. So you're basically restoring the proper voltage to these cells and then the body initiates what, like a self healing process or something like that?

Yeah. Huh. I mean, think about, you cut your hand.

Yeah.

What happens?

Eventually it heals.

You're eight years old, you're outside, you cut your hand, you put a band aid on it, mom kisses it, you're.

Eight years old, it heals like lightning.

You never think about it again. So we just try to restore the body. And it's not that this is a single modality that works alone. You've got to address nutrition, you've got to address relationships, personal and interpersonal.

Yeah, I respect that about you because you're a man of faith and, and you introduce a great deal of spirituality and prayer and intention setting and faith into the process, which I think is probably the biggest component of healing. Just the whole biology of belief the guys like Bruce Lipton talk about. But I mean, what's rolling around in my head right now is if it can cause something like that normal cellular response in somebody like Gwen. We heard from Chuck. How come it wouldn't cause his cancer cells to actually grow? Like, wouldn't it be like lifeblood to cancer cells, something like that?

That's a good question. I don't think so. That's a whole mechanism in theory of cancer. In my opinion, the most common, the most basic definition of cancer is cells that are acting in isolation in order to preserve function. So let's go back to the cellular voltage hypothesis. Right? If that same thyroid tissue is at negative 15 volts and it's supposed to be, remember, at like negative 70, then all of a sudden the survival instinct of that cell tissue line starts to kick in. And what does it do? It divides. And it divides and it grows because it's not talking to its neighbors. It thinks it's in isolation.

And it tries to replicate. It's not doing what it's supposed to do, but it's doing what it thinks it's supposed to do. It thinks the only way to survive is to make more of me. What it should be doing is talking to its neighbor and saying, hey, are you in as much distress as I am? If not, can I borrow some of your energy? Yeah, right.

Okay.

It's a super basic premise. So typically what happens with cancer cells is if they're too far gone, it induces apoptosis. They are not survivable, so they auto kill. If they're not too far gone, it will restore voltage and restore function. And these tissues that are acting out of preservation and replication will start to function normally and speak to their neighbors.

And you've seen that happen?

Yeah, I mean, we're not. Again, I don't want to make.

We can't say we could cure cancer, but I mean, Chuck experienced something. You have other patients who are having interesting experiences like that.

I'm excited about where this is going.

I get what you're saying. We don't want to get you shut down. Not when you're just getting started with this stuff. Now, speaking of just getting started with this stuff, I want to know a little bit more about some of the ways that this is something that could be put in into a home. Kind of like that giant pillar in your office or this treatment that you gave to me. But before I do, you came in after I did my treatment, which was fantastic. And I was like, I feel amazing. There wasn't really much wrong with me when I sat here, you know, aside from I told you I had like a little bit of low back and pelvic floor tightness, and my left knee was a little buggy, but my whole body felt like it was glowing, like full of energy afterwards, almost like somebody pushed a reboot button on my body and I was just like in la la land with my headphones and my eye mask on. It was almost like. Almost like a plant medicine journey or something like that. It was just crazy. But without any, you know, drugs or anything. And so then you come in and I took a break, grabbed some water, and then you sat down beside me, you put your feet on like the electrical plate that I had had my feet on and you. And then I held the ball and you started like trance. You started doing like a scan with your hands over my body. Almost like some form of like an electrical therapeutic massage. What was that all about?

Yeah, it's basically using the applied voltage and feeling for the vibrational shifts for feeling for those gradients that we're talking about.

You're using your own body as A.

Delivery mechanism for the voltage diagnostic and delivery.

What are you feeling in your hands as you're doing that?

Vibration. So there's a little bit of vibration. If the tissue's healthy, feels just normal, it gets much higher if that tissue is diseased or worn out or distressed in some way.

So, like, when you hit that spot on my lower left back, and you're like, dude, this nerve isn't firing properly or isn't this area of the body is improperly innervated. You could feel that via vibration in your fingertips.

Well, that was the extreme example. That was the arc. Right.

So it actually arcs out.

Yeah. So it arcs because there's a big gradient, like a spark, I mean. Yeah, essentially because there's a big gradient and energy flows to the area of.

You haven't ever, like, started on fire doing this, have you?

Only once.

Yeah.

I survived.

Yeah.

Good. No. Spontaneous combustion during medical treatments are encouraged. You can feel the vibration. So you're basically mapping my body. And what happens when you feel the vibration? Do you, like, stay in that area? Because it kind of felt like you were, I don't know, like, hanging around in the spots that needed more hanging around in or something like that.

That's exactly right. So you restore function to that tissue by delivering that small current for a longer period of time. And there's also some optimization of the surrounding tissues, too. So you kind of. If you imagine that spot, it's a hot spot. It's sort of stealing energy from other places. It's created a bypass. So we're restoring energy to all of that space.

So it's like simultaneous diagnostics and therapeutics at the same time.

Yeah. You notice that I didn't ask you much about your medical history. I didn't ask you, but you're a public figure, so I didn't need to.

But.

But I don't, like. I don't. I don't get a detailed history. I can feel it. It's very, very intuitive.

Right. You're right. I am a public figure. Everybody's seen the results of my colonoscopy to my cholesterol and beyond. They know, but in an average scenario, a patient will walk in and you can just basically scan them electrically using your hands and know what's going on.

Yeah, exactly.

So obviously, you've got this one place in Lexington, but from what I understand, this is something that you want people to be able to do in their own homes.

Yeah. I mean, the goal is to get this to a point that it's a wellness device. The Individuals are using it. So we've got some really cool stuff going. We've got this place which is the institute where we do it and study it and teach other people.

It's called the bioenergetic sense.

It's.

Yeah.

Okay.

And most importantly, it's teach.

Okay.

So we have cool partnerships going, too. You and I have a mutual friend and Bobby George, right?

Oh, yeah. Bobby George up in Ohio.

Yeah. And Bobby's got Liv.

Yeah.

So he's got his clinics, Right.

It's like a wellness biohacking clinic, but.

He'S also got this freaking amazing food concept of let food be thy medicine. So his baby is the nutrition.

Yeah.

And he's got those two things where you marry them. So we partner with him, and we, like, teach his people and. And we work together and go up there occasionally, teach them how to use this stuff so that they're like. A massage therapist can do this and basically do a massage on steroids. And it's very intuitive. Right. It doesn't require a degree.

You don't have to have, like, a medical degree. You can literally just, like, feel the vibration, you know, oh, hey, I'm gonna hang around in this spot. And obviously, some people who just have a feel, like a Reiki practitioner or someone who can really feel subtle energies coming up, the body might already be able to sense that, but this amplifies that signal pretty tremendously.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Those things are super helpful. But we want this to be so intuitive that almost anybody can pick it.

Up and use it.

Okay, gotcha. And when I walked into your clinic, even before we went in a little private room where there was that little pad, there was like, this giant pillar in the center of the room. It was almost like, you know, a biocharger times 10, the size of the thing. But tell me about that one.

You mean the worship temple? No, it's a big Tesla coil. So the Tesla coil puts out another signal. So essentially, what we've done, we've taken that product. We've taken the product that you use, and then we also have this other product called a chamber, which is like a chair with some lights. Really cool stuff. But we use those three things in conjunction with one another. What you're talking about is a modified Tesla coil that pulses out also analog fields, also variable frequencies. Works the same way as the one that you use, but actually delivers an even wider range of frequencies. And it's wireless.

So you have a bunch of people sitting in a room. They don't have to be holding the device. They could just be all doing meditation or worship or prayer or something like that. And just basically have their cell voltage getting aligned at the same time by sitting within close proximity of this thing.

Totally.

How far away from it? Feel the treatment.

So we think as far as 80ft. But you're gonna get your maximum dose within about 2 to 4 foot.

Yeah, you could put in a pretty big room, like a yoga room or something like that.

Totally. That's the idea.

All right. And then this table, you showed me a picture of it. You told me the table's in Denver right now, but tell me about that one.

You should come see it. So the chamber is basically combined. This is the Ferrari of the devices, because we combined the zero gravity chair. And you sit in a chamber, so you're laying down and you get this vibro acoustic experience. And what it's delivering, it's delivering pemf, vibroacoustic therapy, guided meditation, and bioluminescent therapy in the form of red lights and near infrared.

In addition to that, we pump in various gases. Right now it's molecular hydrogen, but there's actually like a whole bunch of different phases to that where we'll add different ones. And that's the one that goes in, like a lot of spas and like a lot of very well off homes.

And when you say it's endeavor, like, could someone listening in actually go use it right now?

Yeah, totally. Well, I don't want to overwhelm our sales team, but yes, totally. That's the prototype that's floating around. The other ones are in production.

You can fill me in after. I can put instructions about how people go to a website or whatever in the show notes. I'll put them at BenGreenfieldLife.com amortal A M M O R T A L so the future of this is like, I could have this as like an electrical medicine cabinet in my basement. If somebody's not feeling well, I could hook up to this thing. I don't necessarily have to have diagnosed them, but the frequencies that are delivered by the unit are going to map out the areas that actually need adjusting and go straight there. Obviously, if somebody's bone is broken, like, take them to the freaking ER folks. Or like, you know, somebody has, I don't know, strep throat or something. Maybe they need something in addition to just electrical modality.

But this feels like a good place for me to, like, put in a medical disclaimer that we.

Yeah, it kind of feels like that.

Replacing medical information. Go see your doctor. If you get Sick, anything.

Yeah, I'm not a doctor, but he is. And so what? Approximately. Because I gotta ask this question, like, how much would somebody actually spend, or a family spend or like a corporation spend to have these at their home or at their facility?

That's the whole idea, is we want different price points. Like the entry price point on the device that you use today is like 14,000. In my opinion. It's just eons better than what's out there just because of the way it's delivered. The coil, which would be more for like a community, like a yoga hall.

Or a big tall coil or whatever.

Yeah, that's about 30,000. And then the, the chamber right now retails at 145,000. And that's more of like a spa experience. That's like for Ben Greenfield to like absolutely get the most out of his biohacking 45 minutes a day combine.

This would be everything all at once. But I could because, and this is what I felt like I felt a super heart opening experience. I felt that cellular voltage after it shifted me into this really interesting place emotionally and spiritually. So someone could theoretically, like you mentioned church, putting these pillars in a church. I think it's sad sometimes you and I had a little discussion about this earlier off air, like how resistant the church sometimes seems or religion sometimes seems to marry technology to spirituality. Though I have full on prayer sessions inside the Braintap Light sound device. If you buy that, you can go to the Ben Greenfield section and you can go through my prayers with me while undergoing light and sound stimulation. And there's nothing wrong with just praying on your knees in your bedroom. But if somebody hasn't tried like literally shifting your brainwave state into like deep delta or theta or sometimes gamma while talking to God or while doing prayer or while having devotions, it's a crazy experience. Same thing with like doing a meditation session in front of the biocharger. Like if a church were to have like one of those pillars in the middle of it, that literally shifts people's brainwave states dramatically when they're in that experience, without subjecting them to the risks of say like, you know, popping magic mushrooms before they go to church, which is the type of stuff that guys like Jamie Will and Steven Kotler are proposing, which I think is far more risky because it's, you know, it's just, it's too much, I think, too dangerous. Like, it's something that I think is super interesting, this intersection of spirituality and technology. I have nothing against it, but it's like you Almost get called out on blasts or if you mention this kind of stuff in modern Christian circles, just because for some reason there's this fear of technology or people say it's like pharmacia or sorcery or something like that. I really don't think it is. I mean, it's a very clean and uplifting and powerful experience. Again, not to say you need it, but man, oh, man, it certainly amplifies any spiritual experience, in my opinion.

You're totally right. So the whole concept of bioenergetics, it's not like I came up with this idea. Like, first of all, it's been around for a while.

Many, many. God did it in nature. God was the original bioenergetic creator. Every time you go outside, you're getting PEMFs by God.

Totally. So I'm not like, you don't need to sell God. That's just there.

Jesus went up on a mountain early in the morning to pray. He probably was bare feet.

Yeah. And this is. You're basically augmenting. You know, 150 years ago.

Mankind took this massive shift from outdoor living, or predominantly more outdoor living, to much less. The. The average amount of time that people spend indoors in the United States is 92 to 93% of our day. It's nuts.

Yeah.

That's why when we got to do this walking, I'm freaking thrilled. Right? But it's insane. So we need to figure out a way to quickly redeliver all of those biofields back into the human biome so that we actually, like, don't get sick.

Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's really difficult, in my opinion, to, like, describe the feeling on a podcast, but my recommendation to folks is, like, figure out a way, if it's you or a loved one who you want to introduce to a new healing modality. Because nothing else is working or you just want to see what it feels like to experience this like I did. I mean, just figure out a way to, like, fly into Lexington, stay at the Kentucky Castle, whatever, which is where I was at, or wherever else. Drop into a hotel, come down here and try it, or go to Denver. I'll put links in the show notes and try it out. I mean, I'm not financially affiliated with Jeremy or anything. I'm not getting an investor in his company. I just. I think it's cool enough. I mean, I. I want to be an investor in your company now. We could talk about that later, but I think it's cool enough to. Where. When Jeremy told me about it, I Want to experience it. And it's crazy. It really is. And like I told you guys at the introduction, I think this type of electrical medicine is the next frontier of medicine and gradually kind of rips us away from our dependency on the pharmaceutical industry and what I consider to be like a broken allopathic medical system. So.

Totally.

Yeah. So. So, Jeremy, go ahead.

So the inspiration for all this for me was the spiritual retreat that I had. For the first time, I actually saw the connection between nature, humans, environment. And I was like, there's got to be a way to replicate this in a non dangerous, non threatening way without the use of various pharmaceuticals.

Right.

And this was the closest thing we could find.

Yeah. And when you say various pharmaceuticals that include like plant medicine experiences.

Totally.

Like you could go do this and not have to be, you know, whatever, you know, purging DMT out of your system for the next six days or whatever.

Yeah.

And so again, with these technologies and the spiritual experience that you get from them, and I think the resistance to some people who are like, totally au natural. Why don't you go outside barefoot in Sedona, bro, and pick up a crystal? It's like, well, like God made us creators, right? We make jet planes and, you know, preachers and yogis and pastors flying jet planes to get places to preach the good word, for example. It's not like we need to be resistant to technology, but the idea of us being able to create things that simulate what God created in nature and do a really good and safe and ethical job of it as a way to bring people closer to God in the same way that God reveals himself to people in nature. Well, if it was created by human beings with good intent, with intention being a big part of this, I consider this to be like basically amplifying nature and taking what God created and our God given abilities to be able to create, create and simulate God's handiwork and just amplify it and it's a cool experience. I'm just kind of on board for a wild ride. That's my job. I find cool stuff and I tell people the good stories about it and then let them make their lives better with it. So, Jeremy, you certainly qualify as a cool story that I've found to be able to tell the people.

So thank you. Thanks, man.

I really appreciate this opportunity.

Awesome. Awesome. All right, folks, well, I'll put the show notes along with all the information about Dr. Jeremy Stitch, his team, and this whole bioenergetics ammortal institute over@BenGreenfieldLife.com a m m o r t a l BenGreenfieldLife.com ammortal where you can also leave your questions, your comments and your feedback for Jeremy or I. And until next time, I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Jeremy Stitch signing out from BenGreenfieldLife.com have an amazing week.

All right, this is cool, but you want to pay attention because it's coming up right around the Corner on Friday, December 2nd. You're going to get a chance to join me and some really powerful healing physicians down in Sarasota, Florida. This is a live event, goes from 8am to 5pm I'll be there. My friend and the brilliant former podcast guest, the Doctor Strange of Medicine, Dr. John Laurence is going to be there. HBOT USA Dr. Jason and Melissa Saunas are going to be there with their hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Brian Richards of saunaspace, Harry Paul, one of John's friends who I recently met, who's also an amazing healer for an event that's super unique. It's all based around the elements Earth, fire, air and water with a ton of treatments and technologies and modalities and very unique biohacks that you're going to get exposed to during the entire event. Basically what I mean by that is when it comes to air, you're going to learn about hyperbaric oxygen and ozone and air filtration. Everything you need to know to upgrade your air when it comes to Earth, pulsed electromagnetic field therapy, earthing, grounding, a host of other ways that you can use the power of the planet to enhance your health, your sleep, your recovery, your muscle gain, your fat loss, a lot more water. You'll learn about proper water filtration, how to upgrade your water, hydrogenated water, structured water, basically soup to nuts. Everything you need to know about water and how to apply it in your home, in your office and your life. And then finally, fire is a fun one. Lots of cryotherapy, a little bit of ice too, breath work, inner fire practices, a ton of stuff when it comes to introducing the element of fire into your life. So this event is super unique. John and I have been working on it behind the scenes and it has come together amazingly. There's even a VIP experience. If you sign up for the VIP experience, you could come two days early or stay a few days after the event. And basically you will get all the medical protocols customized by Dr. John and his staff. If you claim one of those 10 VIP spots that'll include like IV methylene blue laser treatments. John's really unique Bliss release, which is basically an endonasal adjustment, which is essentially like a chiropractic adjustment through your nose for your entire skull, which if you've had TBI or concussion or allergies or things like that in the past, it totally reboots that entire system. There's going to also be ozone treatments, Myers IV cocktails, exosome treatments, IV laser, access to a CVAC machine, and John's entire facility is going to be at your beck and call if you got one of the VIP tickets. And then we're also probably going to have a little bit of a party later on in the evening after this event. The whole thing is going to be a pinch me, I'm dreaming party, full on cutting edge of biohacking experience, and I'm just now letting the world know about it. So spots are going to fill up pretty fast. Space is limited, but if you want to get in now, here's how you go to BenGreenfieldLife.comElements event. That's BenGreenfieldLife.comEments event. It's in Sarasota, Florida. Again, it's all day Friday, December 2nd. I would come in early and Saturday stay after if you just want to try out all the crazy modalities there. You know, I don't know how fast those VIP tickets are going to sell out, but either way this thing is going to be absolutely amazing. I just can't wait. Like I'm pinching myself. Can't wait to be on the plane to head down there and do this. So check it out. BenGreenfieldLife Elements event and I'll see you there. I hope.

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