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Hey, folks, it's Ben Greenfield here. And it was in 1974 that the world Health Organization stated that environmental toxins create about 84% of all chronic diseases. And over the past 40 years, that number has gone way up. And there's something called cellular toxicity that's one of the major epidemics of our lifetime. And it's kind of like this underlying cause of numerous health issues that a lot of people simply don't talk about. Well, I am sitting here in Park City, Utah, after competing in the train to hunt national championship with the guy who is probably the world's leading authority on detoxification and specifically this concept of cellular detoxification. We've been out riding mountain bikes, experimenting with ketosis, taking crazy cyto detox supplements, and basically geeking out on all things exercise, nutrition, fitness and detoxification related. His name is Dr. Daniel Pompa, and he travels all over the country educating practitioners and the public on everything from Weight loss, resistance to hypothyroid, to diabetes, to chronic fatigue. I can tell you right now that he is a killer mountain biker. And he himself, I think my saddle sores are speaking to that saddle sores I'm sitting on right now. Not enough shammy cream yesterday. Dr. Dan, welcome to the show.

Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, that was quite some fun we had on the bikes.

That's for sure.

It was. And it's kind of, kind of funny because for those of you listening in, this guy, he walks the walk and he talks the talk. His daughter here is doing what, a four or five day fasting protocol, and your kids are experimenting with liquid ketones.

Is one of those super duper healthy households. So it's a real honor to be sitting here with Dr. Dan and talking with you guys about this stuff. But.

One thing I was thinking about this morning as I was actually out mountain biking in your backyard, Dan, is.

Yeah. From the house.

From your house. Is.

I sometimes feel as though I've been left out because I don't have that whole wounded healer story. Right. I was just always kind of into fitness and into nutrition biochem. But I know you went through a period of your life where you were super toxic, which is, from what I understand, how you got interested in this stuff. Can you tell us about what exactly happened to you?

Yeah, I mean, I was a chiropractor at the time, and, you know, I had an amazing practice and, you know, helping a lot of people. We had two young babies at the time, so life as I know it was really good. You know, it was going along just fine. And then it started. It started with fatigue and, you know, I was literally at probably the best fitness level of my career at that time. I was racing bikes at the expert level, and I was fit. I had mountain bikes, mountain bikes and road. I mean, road. I was a Cat 3. I didn't, you know, I literally just did road to train for mountain biking. And. But needless to say, I was in the best shape of my life. I had some big races coming up and all of a sudden fatigues hit. And like most athletes, I thought, surely I'm over training. Backed off, right? Came back at it. Fatigue this time, Headaches. Backed off longer. And this time it was like two full weeks just off the bike. I mean, just because I just said, you know, something's not right. Right. And the fatigue went to anxiety. Anxiety, sl, sleeplessness, insomnia, panic attacks, became allergic to every food on the planet. Couldn't even figure it out random bloatingness and just bizarre symptoms. I mean, you know, looking back, I mean, I. I knew my thyroid wasn't working right. You know, my hair was starting to fall out. I mean, I'm progressing now ahead. This is, you know, what happened. My adrenals were shot. I. I couldn't even handle loud noise. And my wife would have to take the baby out of the house because the screaming, it would just send my adrenals into fits, you know. And Ben, like most, you know, practitioners, I thought, you know, obviously I'd, you know, dress the adrenals and the thyroid. But every time I did, it would seem like certain things would get better and other things would get worse. So the bottom line was, is now I'm into this years, still wondering what the heck was going on. And life as I know it is not the same.

So at that point, were you, Were you a doctor?

Of course. Yeah, no, no, I was a doctor. I mean, look, in my degree gave me the ability to read literature. I mean, right? Nights I couldn't sleep. But unfortunately, many of them, I was met with just the hidden bonus.

You get to lay awake, right?

You know, and those were the good nights, the bad nights. I was just out of my mind, I'm telling you. You know, the bad nights, I just had debilitating panic attacks and just anxiety and a feeling of dread is how I would always describe it to my wife. But, you know, on the nights where I just couldn't sleep, I would research and learn and, you know, but, you know, I. I literally had a photographic memory because of my dyslexia when I was a kid. And it was one of the gifts of, you know, being a dyslexic is I could remember everything I read. I mean, and here I was brain fogged most of the time now. So, you know, it was like taking Superman's gift away. I mean, giving him kryptonite. That's what I felt like. I had kryptonite. I had no strength, no energy, no brain. But yet when I did have it, I would just, I would read, I would research and years of trying to figure out what was wrong. And I'll just fast forward for the sake of the show. Here I was, you know, got. Became friends with an endocrinologist and a bright guy, wrote his book, you know, read many of his books and became friends with him. And he said, you know, Dan, I think you have mercury poisoning.

Who is this guy?

Bruce Wren. I mean, Bruce Wren, good. Just an absolute brilliant guy. And, you know, I Thought I said, you know, Bruce, I thought so too at one point because I had found Mad Hatter's disease. I don't know if you recall what that is, but the people who are making felt hat use. Felt hats use mercury to attenuate mold, which they were trying to kill, but they became known as Mad as a Hatter. Right.

Did that precede the Alice in Wonderland book or was that Alice in Wonderland character named after?

It was preceded that. Yes, exactly. It wasn't just the lsd.

These people had, like, metal poisoning.

They did. They had metal poisoning. Mercury poisoning.

But you weren't making hats.

You were right, I was not. However, I said, I am mad as a hatter. Right. And I had these symptoms. So due to that, I went and got tested, I did blood work. And, you know, he thought, yeah, maybe that is a possibility. One of the most frustrating parts of my illness was most of my blood work looked like a very healthy guy. I looked on the outside like a very healthy guy. So of course I was looked at as like, it must be all in your head many times, trust me. But the blood work, the mercury level was within normal range. And he said, you know, Dan, you did the wrong test. Do this test. And I did it. And it was more of a challenge test to pull it out of the tissue. And then my results showed that, in fact, I had tons of mercury and some other metals that were a concern.

However, now, can I interrupt you for a second? Because I hear this thrown around a lot when it comes to, like, metal detoxification on the side of a challenge test. What exactly is a challenge test? Who may not have heard of this before?

Yeah, I mean, if you just look at the blood, it's only going to be positive on an acute exposure, meaning you're getting exposed practically every day. If you just look at the urine, same thing. You're only looking at what your body's just able to get rid of. And typically an acute exposure. If you look at hair, it's typically what your body's able to get rid of. And there's a lot of other factors with hair. So when you take an agent, that's a true binder, and we can talk a little bit more about that because there's a lot of misconceptions there. But a true binder, we'll grab it, pull it out, and then we can look at the urine because it's not what's floating around the blood. Sick, chronic poison people, it's it deep in the tissue. And therefore we have to take something that pulls out of the tissue. And look, there's no perfect test. Because really, ultimately, when I was looking for what was wrong, I knew that there was something with my hypothalamus, pituitary. And for your listeners, that's the center of your brain.

HPA axis.

HPA axis. That's what regulates your hormones. That's what regulates your thyroid, your adrenals, and really, your. Your whole endocrine, your hormonal system.

Athletes have issues with that. No doubt from stress.

Absolutely. Any type of stress. Now, you brought up a good point, because physical. Athletes. Chemical was my issue. And physical, because I was training a.

Lot of that one, two combo.

Absolutely. Or emotional. The body doesn't know the difference of stress. However, I was in this stressed mode, and it's no place to be. But the bottom line was, is I knew that something was wrong with that axis. Right. I just didn't know what. Well, reading studies after I realized, oh, my gosh, I do have a mercury issue. It was two days after I had two silver amalgam fillings drilled out. I just happened to look over here, and there's a DVD here. The evidence of harm Mercury dental fillings. And this was put out by a lot of dentists.

Is this a new dvd?

Yeah, it's relatively new.

Give that we can.

By the way, for those of you listening in, I'll take notes as Dan and I are talking. Talking. So if you go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com pompa that's how you spell Dan's last name. P O M P A BenGreenfieldFitness.com Pompa I'll link to everything that Dan and I are talking about.

Yeah.

Okay. So. So this challenge test, it pulls metals out of the body and puts them into your urine so you can then pee and figure out what kind of metals are built up within your body.

Collectors.

Is there like, a name for, like, the gold standard form of that type of test?

Yeah, I mean, there's a company called Doctors Data that I believe they're the best.

Okay.

You know, that's called like, a.

Like a urine challenge.

It's a six. Challenge challenge. Yes. Six hour challenge.

Six hour challenge.

Urine challenge. Heavy metal urine.

Yeah, I'll link to that in the notes. So you did this test?

Yeah, did the test. And again, it's not looking what's in the brain. It's looking what's in the tissue. But it does give us some reflection of, you know, what's harbored deep inside the body in the brain, in My case. And by the way, that's one of the problems, right? People think that, oh, we'll just do this metal detox. Oh, I've done metal detoxes. How long? Three months. Well, look, I accumulated these metals from my fillings primarily, but I had other sources over 30 years. It vaporizes those silver fillings in your mouth, which by the way, most countries have banned and put bans on them, still being put in kids mouths today, hopefully less. However, they contain 50% mercury and do vaporize that mercury for the life of the filling. And folks, you can go on YouTube and I know Ben, you've seen this in probably many of your listeners. It's the smoking tooth video where they show a 25 year old filling off gassing mercury. So look, and you just rub it.

Smoking tooth video.

Smoking tooth video. It's fantastic. Yeah, I interviewed the gentleman who did that video years ago.

Scary.

Yeah, it's amazing. Dr. Kennedy put that video together and other scientists have duplicated. But okay, so the bottom line is a 25 year old filling will vaporize mercury right into your brain. And that's what happens the life of the filling. So this stuff bioaccumulates for years. So to think that you're gonna get it out of your brain in three months, six months.

Well that's what most like you look at most metal detoxification programs. Because I've about talked, talked about them before on the podcast. That's what like even me, right? Like when I've done metal detox, it's been 30 days.

Yeah, no, exactly.

So, so you're saying that doesn't work?

Doesn't work. Look, we grew up in the lead generation, we grew up in the, in the mercury generation. Let me explain. So if you look back, it wasn't until about 1978 when lead was even taken out of gasoline, paint, et cetera. Every old home built before 1978, if you test the dust, it's loaded with lead. The number one source of lead is actually our mothers. Meaning that during pregnancy women lose bone. It's natural. But that's where the lead is stored. And out comes the lead into the baby in utero and then through the breast milk. So literally it is estimated to be four generation of disease of lead toxicity, starting from our mothers. So even though there's not as much lead in the things that all the stuff from China still has lead, I mean, there's still lead, trust me. However, not. But it's four. Excuse me, it's four generations two ways, Ben, because number one, we Know that the lead actually triggers genes of susceptibility, so it can trigger your thyroid problem, it can trigger your diabetes. Turn on these genes.

So you're saying, like, if I did, like a 23andMe test and found that I had a genetic susceptibility to something like hypothyroidism, it could trigger. And then when you look at, like, the epigenetic phase factor, like an environmental factor that could trigger that, something like metal could actually cause that to happen.

Absolutely. Even weight gain and even weight loss, resistance. Matter of fact, it was a Stanford University study where they took mice, identical twins, gave one group a toxin, turned on what is called their agouti gene, made them obese and some other health conditions. And they gave another group, fed them the same exercise in the same. Just the toxin was the only difference. That gene was turned on, not just in that group that became obese because of the toxin. Now, it didn't matter what they ate. Remember, two groups eating the same, exercising, the same one became fat that was exposed to the toxins. The obesity gene was turned on. Now, the sad part was, is the next generation fed, perfect, got fat, those children got fat without being exposed to the toxin. It was just the fact that the gene was turned on and inherited in the next generation. So lead four generations directly from mom to baby, from the lead that's stored in the bones into the baby, and the gene that gets turned on. Now, we're also part of the mercury generation. It was in everything. Contact lens fluid, which, by the way, I also wore, was the number one adult source before the 1990s. So it was in all of the St. Louis. Evidently not anymore. No, it was Binhalla. But until the early 90s, it was still there. We're putting it right into our eyes. So, I mean, silver fillings, the contact lens fluid, methiolate. Remember that? My dad would slather me with that red stuff. It was mercury in it. Mercury oxide.

I want to get back in a second here to how you detox once you found this out, but just playing devil's advocate here. Haven't we gotten rid of mercury fillings, lead pain, A lot of these issues. Are these still things, things people need to worry about?

Well, yeah. I mean, here's the point. We have gotten better, unfortunately. There's still fillings being put in, but let's say we got rid of all of them. It's generational, and that's the point. So here's the point, too. There was a study in one of the most prestigious medical scientific journals in the world. Fasa, that showed that the number of fillings in our mouth is proportional to how much they find in the brain, in particular the pituitary hypothalamus, in the liver and the kidneys, as well as other organs. So we know it vaporizes into the brain. The duress study. The duress study showed the number of fillings in mom's mouth is proportional to how much we find in the baby's brain. And these are autopsy studies. So the World Health Organization has said these fillings are unfit to be put in humans. I mean, we know this, but there's congressional pushback. I mean, every year, well, not almost every year before Congress, there is a press to make amalgam filling. Call it what it is, hazardous waste. And here's what you have to understand and your listeners before it goes in your mouth. It's categorized as hazardous waste by OSHA and every government body. The moment it goes in your mouth, it's called safe. They decategorize it. The moment it comes out and hits the dental tray, it's back to hazardous waste. So the comment there is, don't insult our intelligence. I don't care who you believe or what. That stuff's hazardous waste. It vaporizes mercury and it goes into your brain.

Wow.

Okay, so we've got paint, we've got fillings. What are there other sources like in our environment that we now are getting exposed to?

Yeah, I mean, look, there's obviously a push and we hear a lot about the air, the political agenda of global warming. Whether you agree with it or not, it's not the point of breaking dust.

I've heard brake dust.

There's so much still in the air, right? I mean, from factories and, you know, producing energy, producing factories, you name it. Right. A lot of different products, it's still there. Right. But let's say there was none. What we inherit from our parents is massive. And that's the point. It's generational, but yes, we're still being exposed to high levels. And it's, you know, it's obviously something. It's a neurotoxin. It gets in deep into the brain. And for our point, again, it doesn't come out in months. It does take time.

My wife has had fillings. That's interesting. So my kids could have metal for my wife having had fillings, there's no doubt about it.

According to the duress study, it's in their brain. It's in their brain.

So you, what did you do to get rid of metals? You talked to this doctor, he had you do this challenge test. You found out your metals were high. Then what happened?

Yeah, it's amazing too, because my first comment was, what do you think I got? He said, do you have any dental work done around this time this happened? I said, you know, I think one of my best friends, he took out two silver fillings put in gold, and there's something called galvanism that happens. So if you have. Look in your mouths, folks. If you see those dark fillings in a mirror, that's an amalgam filling that we're talking about that has 50% mercury. If you have other metal in your mouth via a crown, abrasives, I mean, whatever, another metal from a root canal, who knows? But that causes something called galvanism, which is an electrical current. Number one, the brain hates it. And it causes your brain to malfunction just from the current alone, the galvanism. And by the way, folks, if you understand, it's a battery effect. What a battery is, is it's basically two opposing metals in an acid. That's exactly what's happening in your mouth. And that battery effect affects the brain. However, studies also show that it creates the mercury to come out of Those fillings even 10 times faster than normal. It causes it to vaporize. So he put gold in, and I still had about four fillings, six maybe, in my mouth, and it just started it to flow out even faster. So, you know, that was when I got that news. It could be the fillings. I immediately went, called my buddy. When did you get. Put those fillings in here? The irony was I was cycling and I had everything journaled of how I felt when, what, two days after I got those fillings out is when my bottom fell out. So. So my warning is this. If you do your own research on amalgam filling, yeah, you'll be very upset that you were deceived. However, don't just run and take these things out. I mean, there's a prep phase. I mean, there's a proper way. You have to find a biological dentist. I can give one website for those looking. It's called the I aomt.org I a.

O m find like a biological dentist international. I have one in Spokane. I switched two years ago to this guy named Craig Simmons. And Spokane, that's touching. My kids go and see now and then there's no metals, and they clean the air. And they use, I guess, biocompatible compounds when they're cleaning your mouth, that type of stuff.

It's estimated by the way that 70 to 85% of all disease starts in the mouth. Silver fillings, root canals, something called a cavitation, where they pull a filling or, I'm sorry, they pull a tooth and a cavitation is left behind.

That's why I do coconut oil pulling every morning. I put coconut oil in my mouth and just swish it around for five minutes every morning and spit it out.

Well, look, you interview a lot of people talking about the gut and the microbiome. The microbiome starts in the mouth, that good bacteria. Good and bad. Right. That's what makes up the microbiome. When that's not right and everyone's trying to fix their gut. And by the way, the mouth doesn't respond to probiotic like the gut does. But when you have these fillings, root canals, all this going on in the mouth, it's basically impossible to have a normal microbiome.

Interesting.

70. And I've like said it's estimated 70, 85% of all disease starts.

That's correct. So you could have, like, bacterial dysbiosis and a bunch of gut issues. And it is because of what's going on in your mouth, especially if you have, like, metal fillings.

Yeah, Listen, when you have those silver fillings in. And we could, you know, go off on a whole show on this, because root canals are just as destructive with anaerobic bacteria, but it's leaching into the gut, destroying that bacteria as well. Wow. And not to mention what's going directly into your nerve system.

It's crazy. So you detoxed.

Yeah.

What did you do?

Yeah. Once I realized, okay, this is the cause. I'm one of those practitioners who believe the only true cures come from removing the sources, the causes, and the body does the healing. It really knows what to do. I think even alternative practitioners today, they're more interested in pushing a lot of different things instead of saying, wow, why is somebody sick? And dealing with many clients from all over the world with different illnesses, unexplainable. Mostly you realize that there is always a cause, whether it's in my case, mercury, other heavy metals, lead. I mean, we can go down the list. Moldy homes, hidden infections from root canals, cavitations, hidden infections from Lyme disease. These things are really the causative factor that when you remove them, the body can heal. So, yeah, I started knowing, number one, the rest of them have to come out safely. Number two, I realized it's in my brain. So what I teach today, a prep phase, preparing your cells and your body for detoxification, a body phase where we clear the body and then go after it in the brain. That's what I teach doctors all around the world.

Why do you clear the body first before the brain?

You set up concentration gradient. You want to clear the body before going deeper. Because what happens is it'll start to move from higher concentration to lower concentration. I mean, simple science. So we try.

It's like osmosis.

Yeah, no, exactly. So, you know, there is a process. You know, I think when it comes to detox, you know, I had to really do my homework, you know, like you. I'm one of those people who, you know, I just don't take anything for granted. And we see these things marketed everywhere, this detox.

That's what I actually wanted to ask you about is what.

You see everything from like whatever the maple syrup, cayenne pepper detox and the cabbage soup diet and all these different detoxification protocols out there, especially for stuff like metal or mold or foam. What are some of the biggest errors that these other detoxification protocols are making?

You know, that's a great, that's a great question. I wrote a three part article called When Detox is Dangerous. And in the article I gave some analogies like you go down the street and you see these street cleaners, right? We've all seen them, our tax dollars are joyfully paying for. And we see this big cloud around this thing, right? And dust.

You're talking about the big trucks with the brushes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, do those even exist? Do they still exist? But we all question when we look at what's behind them and flying off of them, what they really actually do. Well, you know, that's analogous to these, most of these herbal detoxes or just detox concoctions, if you will. You mentioned a few of them that people take that really have weak binders associated with them. And most often they do just what that street cleaner did. It just kind of stirs it up. The problem is this, like those things that you see flying off this machine, they end up other places, right? So every car that's parked on the side ends up with this layer of dust all over it. The street cleaner. But that's the problem is so it mobilizes surface toxins, but they mobilize and they end up crossing potentially into the brain, cross crossing the blood, brain barrier. And people ultimately become worse. Here's another mistake. You know that when you're dealing with truly unloading the brain long term, you have to remove these Sources from your life. You know, I mean, you can't just say, you know, I'm going to start getting metal out of my brain when you still have the fillings in.

Right.

But okay. The point though is this, people. If you walk into every health food store on the planet, there's the 10 day cleanse, there's this cleanse, there's that cleanse. And I have nothing against them, but when it comes to really these toxins that we just talked about, the molds, the metals, the Lyme, these hidden infections, it doesn't do anything really.

So we're not just talking about metals. We're talking about when you're doing these cleanse, we're talking about pesticides that could be on fruits and vegetables you've eaten over the years. Mold, fungi, toxins that fat cells have accumulated pharmaceutical compounds. Anytime you're doing a cleanse and it doesn't have some kind of a strong binding agent, what you're saying is you're just stirring up.

Absolutely.

And then redistributing it to other tissues.

Absolutely. You know, I get calls from people all over the world and I hear every story. And you know, one often that I hear that I experience myself, you start doing research on Meadow. And when I realized it was, you know, in my brain, I juiced some chlorella. Very healthy.

Chlorella.

Very healthy. Right. And thought, hey, this is. Or I'm sorry, cilantro. I juiced cilantro and I juiced it.

I take both of those. Cilantro and chlorella.

It's very healthy. And if you don't, you know, if you're not massively riddled with heav, it'd probably be okay.

Shouldn't say, I take them, I eat them.

Yeah. And corella is a food. Right. And if you get a clean one, which is often the challenge, I mean, it can act as a mild binder. Right. But it's not a true binder. And it can. People that are very toxic, they get sick from those things. But cilantro, it allows. You'll hear it's the brain detoxer of metals. Well, yeah, it crosses the blood brain barrier. Yeah, absolutely. And the problem, though is it's a weak bond. So it mobilizes metal. And I juice this stuff and literally my wife thought she was gonna have to check me into an insane asylum. I mean, you know, I never hopped on the psychotropic drug because of my philosophy, but many of these people do because you end up being told you're crazy and you just feel Crazy. And frankly, I was crazy looking back. But, you know, the cilantro made me more crazy. You need true binding binders, things that are able to bind something as heavy as a heavy metal, is difficult to remove and bring it completely out of the body. And that's lesson number one.

Got it. So when it comes to a lot of these detoxification type of compounds, I know that there are things that can bind up tissues. One that I've heard a lot about is like zeolite, right? You can get zeolite liquids and zeolite minerals and stuff like that. I know that you know a little bit about zeolite. So can you fill me in on that? For example, like, is zeolite something that would be like a binder?

Binder.

How does that one work?

Well, zeolite is a true binder. When we talk about these agents that have the ability to grab onto these nasty toxins that we're talking about, zeolite is a true binder. The problem is they use it for pesticide cleanup. They use it for cleaning up anything in the environment. For hundreds of years, they use zeolites. The problem is it's a particle.

The problem is it's a what?

A particle. So most of the first zeolite products were these powder that do a great job of binding in the gut. But you'll hear me say this, and this is what I educate even doctors on, is real detox has to get to the cell. And my mantra is, you won't get well until you fix the cell. And for our conversation, you won't get well until you detox the cell. So real detox must occur at the cellular level. So we'll get there so people understand what I mean. But by the way, that's why people don't feel well today. That's why your hormones are disrupted. This is a cellular issue. So if we don't fix the cell, we're not going to fix hormones.

When you say it's a cellular issue, are you saying that the metals wind up inside the cell, toxins end up.

Inside, or toxins, downsides or whatever? Absolutely. They disrupt mitochondria inside the cell, so.

They actually cross through the cell membrane and they disrupt mitochondrial activity once they get past the cell membrane.

There's something in a cell, and I think you've talked about in some of your shows called glutathione and sod and these natural things that are in cell, every pathway to deal with these things, right?

To quench free radicals, antioxidants.

However, these Toxins are so nasty, they deplete these natural detoxifiers, if you will, in the cell so rapidly that your cells now are left defenseless. And by the way, then the toxins start changing your gene expression. Now you start expressing conditions that you're going, what? Why can't I lose weight?

So they can act on the cell nucleus and change gene expression.

It does, and it shuts down your cell energy production. That's why.

One of the first signs. And. But I know people are probably wondering this a lot, like, is this stuff that people who are into detoxification just say as a scare tactic or. I mean, is there actual research that shows.

There's so much research. You know, the frustrating part is there's right now a gap in what's happening in science and what's happening in the treatment world. Meaning that we know these toxins are entering the cell. We know that most of these conditions are epigenetic, that they're getting turned on. The old dogma was. Was, hey, you have a thyroid condition because your mom did. No, no, you have a thyroid condition because you have a susceptibility like your mom. But it's been turned on, you know, so just because years ago there was Time magazine had the article, your DNA is not your destiny.

Yeah.

You know, and I've had the pleasure of interviewing Bruce Lipton, who, you know, and you know, he was one of the first brilliant stem cell biologists that said, look, you know, our DNA is not our destiny. Matter of fact, even our thoughts can change these things.

Did he write the biology of belief?

Biology of belief. I'm sitting right over there.

I'm halfway through that book right now on my Kindle, because I was thinking about that right now, like in that book. I'm in the part in the book right now where he's talking about the phospholipid layer of the cell, and he's also talking about how it can even go as deep as you can almost believe yourself into, as the title of the book would imply, genetic or susceptibility to the disease, that you're genetically programmed.

Your thoughts literally can change your DNA for better or for worse. And he showed that. But he shows that it is. You'd mentioned the cell membrane, Ben. I teach something to my doctors, and it really caught on even with the public. It's my five Rs of how to fix a cell, five Rs of cellular healing, and the five Rs of how to detox a cell. And I had said real detox has to Occur at the cell. You know, when you talk to scientists, they get that the cell has the ability and needs the ability to detox day in, day out, even from the own energy that it makes. If we burned logs in this room, if we don't have a chimney, we're dead. The smoke alone from making energy. Well, no different in your cell. The cell has these functions that has to get rid of the toxins from its own energy production, let alone what bombards the cell day in, day out.

But the cell has the ability to do that naturally, right?

That's the point. Here's the point. True detox is upregulating these natural cell functions, whether it's methylation. So my five Rs does that. Number one is remove the source. Number two is regenerating the cell membrane. And that's what you're talking about, that phospholipid membrane that Bruce talks about.

Okay?

Critical. If you can't fix that cell membrane, you won't get the good stuff in and the good stuff out. So these people eating a perfect diet, taking the supplements. No, no, no. You have to fix that membrane. And Lipton's work showed that when you fix the membrane now, you can change that genetic expression. So my R, number two, is regenerating the cell membrane, the outer membrane, and the mitochondrial membrane, R3. I'll just rip through them. R3 is restoring cellular energy, cell energy. Once it gets depleted, you can't control inflammation at the cell anymore. Once cell energy gets depleted to a certain point now the cell just is a sitting duck for oxidative stress and more toxicity. So you need the energy to upregulate detox pathways. R number four is reducing inflammation and oxidative stress. Sounds like the obvious, but there's specific things that we need to do to downregulate that cellular inflammation because its natural pathways are damaged. And finally, R5 is reestablishing methylation. Methylation is very popular today. We've heard about the. The different genes, the MTHFR gene, right. That people, 15% of the population have, that need special folic acid that enters the cell.

You need to take, like, methyl tetrahydrofolate supplements, stuff like that.

But again, the gene doesn't make you sick. It does leave you a little bit more predisposed, especially with other toxins and stressors. Methylation runs parallel to glutathione. If your methylation starts to drop, so does your glutathione. So the bottom line is that these five Rs are a roadmap. To what we need to do. In a world that's being bombarded with neurotoxins, if you don't upregulate the cell functions, it's not real detox. So I have nothing against a colon cleanse. However, a colon cleanse is not affecting the cell. I have nothing against the liver cleanse, the 10 day juice cleanse, or whatever it is. But you have to get to the cell if you're truly. That's how I got my life back. This is how thousands get their lives back.

That makes sense. Okay, so you actually did these five Rs as you went through your own detoxification.

I learned them through the pain, through my research.

Obviously you've written a ton of articles on this. And I mean like we could be on here for hours just talking about this. Five hours. I feel like kind of rapid fire question just for people to wrap their heads around this because I know if I'm wondering if people are also wondering.

Fire.

So you said that. So our number one was what again, remove the sources. Okay, so remove the sources. That's pretty straightforward. We get rid of a lot of these toxins and metals in our life. Then you said all number two is the membrane.

Yep.

What's an example of a way that you regenerate a membrane?

You know, a lot of people, this is a great question. A lot of people today are into fish oil, and I am too. It's a very important fat. Right. For the first time in history, however, we're seeing something in the healthy population, maybe a lot of your listeners, we're seeing something called omega 3 dominance, where, you know, most of the population is omega 6 dominant for meeting all the grain fed animal products, the corn, etc. All the vegetable oils, corn oils, which will make you omega 6 dominant. So when people start taking fish oil, they feel better down regulates inflammation. However, we can go overboard to where we're now going. Omega 3 dominant.

I'm listening very intently because I look at a lot of wellness FX blood panels, including my own, and I slap myself on the back and congratulate myself because my omega 3 fatty acids are so high. You're saying they can be too high?

Absolutely. Yeah. And Johns Hopkins did, out of Johns Hopkins, there was a study done showing Omega 3 dominance. And we see it more in people who, if you talk to most people, they're taking a probiotic, a fish oil, which, which taking just the probiotic every day, the same one can be problematic, but the fish oil, because it's out of context of what's in a fish. There's other fats that stabilize other antioxidants that, you know, that put things in balance. It can throw people out of balance. And again, I'm not against fish oil, I'm against throwing yourself out of balance. But to answer your question, a 4 to 1 ratio of omega 6 to 3, which is one of the ratios we see in nature, targets the cell membrane.

So more Omega 6 than Omega 3.

Well, not. Yeah, but that's normal. The population is like 19 to 1. That's abnormal. Too much 6.

19 parts omega 6 to 1 part omega 3. Because they're eating vegetable oils and seeds.

Absolutely. Grain fed meat. Now in nature we see 1 to 1 to 1 to 6 in different foods. So we know that that's a normal range right now. But what studies do show is different ratios can benefit different things. So now we're learning that it's not just fat, it's duplicating what's in nature, which you're a big believer in. To realize different ratios have different purposes. We target the 4 to 1 ratio. We target certain fats that many of your listeners, well, not your listeners, but would think are bad. Saturated fats, cholesterols, they stabilize the cell membrane. Lipton pointed it out in his book that it's these stabilizing fats that people are avoiding today. And again, Time magazine had an article with the butter, Right. Is butter bad?

Like fats that are solid at room temperature, like a coconut oil?

Right. They actually, actually have a stabilizing effect on the membrane. But you know, there's a few things you have to avoid. Those vegetable oils which are in everything, even whole foods and other health food stores, products. Right. Canola oil, et cetera, they destabilize the membrane. We want to avoid, obviously bringing in more toxins because they stick to the membrane, drive more inflammation. We want to control glucose and insulin, which is a topic that you love, and so do I.

Instant inflammation, destabilizing the membrane. So we have to do those three things at least to stabilize them.

Okay, gotcha. So an example of regenerating the cell membrane would be like eating healthy saturated fats. Okay, what was number three?

Fats are important. The membrane's made of fat.

Yeah, yeah. It's like a lipid bile.

Getting rid of the bad fats, Right. Controlling glucose.

Yeah. That's why it's always a red flag when your cholesterol is too low, right?

That's right, that's right. Yeah. More people die, there's a higher morbidity for normal, low cholesterol than high. People don't realize that.

Yeah, no, I try to keep my cholesterol above 200.

Yeah, me too.

Okay, so we've got. We've got. Keeping the cholesterol high, eating good, healthy fats, getting rid of the Source 3 was.

Yeah, getting rid of the source, the. Getting the bad fats out, you know, obviously.

What was our number three?

Oh, r. Number three, Sorry. Restoring cellular energy.

Okay, what's an example of that?

Yeah, I'm. You know, there's a lot of products that you talk about that do it naturally. But when we look at the topic of cellular energy, it really is a bombardment of mitochondrial issues today. Toxins. The mitochondrial membrane, by the way, the mitochondria is where you make ATP. It's the powerhouse of your cell. Athletes have more mitochondria per cell. Sick people have less. Average people have average. But. So the mitochondria is where you produce energy. Toxins are bombarding it. That's why we're still producing so much low energy. Brain fog. And a lot of conditions that do not respond to even the perfect nutrition because the mitochondria is just attacked. So the mitochondrial membrane is something where a lot of organ fats actually make a better difference. There's something called cardiolipin, that's a fat that is in the mitochondrial membrane that's very fragile. That does better with a lot of the fats that are organ meats that I know.

So you're talking about using, like, liver. We were talking yesterday about how when I do an order from US Wellness Meats every quarter an hour, it sounds nasty, but head cheese, like liver and kidney and heart. And another one called Braunschweiger, which is a mix of organ meats.

Yeah, absolutely.

But they make pills, too, for people who don't want to do that type of thing.

Absolutely.

Liver pills.

What about vegans or vegetarians who want to improve cellular energy? Do they have options?

Yeah, no, I mean, of course. I mean, look, improving cellular energy. I think we can go right back to the basics. People that have insulin, glucose spikes have major issues with cellular energy. But this is a favorite topic of mine, is when we control glucose and insulin, when we get our cells to be more efficient fat burners. Ben, we both know this and probably most of your listeners, the cells can only use two things for energy. Fat, fat or sugar.

Right.

Glucose or fat. And most Americans are stuck as sugar burners with the inability to efficiently use fat for energy. One of the strategies that I teach to get the cell More efficient at becoming a fat burner is intermittent fasting times where you're not eating. Then the cell starts to learn that it has to burn fat. Does it work for people right away? The answer is oftentimes no, because the body's still not. Still not efficient at becoming a fat burner. But we do certain strategies, I teach certain strategies that help the cell, the mitochondria, utilize fat for energy.

That makes sense. Any of those things that we hear when we talk about, like, becoming a fat burning machine, like intermittent fasting, fasted cardio sessions? Absolutely even. You know, I talked with Dr. David Minkoff, and I did a podcast episode about the metabolic theory of cancer and taking care of mitochondria out with even things like, you know, freaking, like hyperbaric oxygen.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, deep breathing and all sorts of strategies. But what you're saying is that that combined with keeping the cholesterol elevated and good amount of fat intake, removing toxin, the source that knocks out R1, R2, R3, R4 was what?

Yeah, R4 is reducing inflammation, oxidative stress. So it really can apply to that as well, right? Yeah. I mean, you look over right there on the floor, there's. From Thomas Seyfried, Cancer is a metabolic disease. Showing that cancer really is a metabolic issue, the cell's inability to use fat. So he talks a lot about fasting and ketosis, forcing.

The cell to burn fat. These are ancient healing strategies. And I would love to come back on and do a show on my diet variation and talk about some of that. But forcing the cell to use fat for energy is what's missing today. So many people have lost the ability to utilize fat for energy. And that's a mitochondrial problem. That's a toxic issue.

We were talking the other day about the TV show Naked and Afraid.

Yeah, I would just fast for 21 days.

Like, the Dr. Pompa episode would be the most boring episode ever because you'd be laying on the beach, no problem. I can ketosis.

I interviewed two of my doctors who fasted. One of them fasted for over 30 days, and the other fasted. Folks I'm talking about just water fasted for 22 days. And the one made the comment, you know, I was up in the. I only needed, like, three, four hours of sleep. I had so much energy. And my wife comes downstairs. He's like, repainting the house because he had so much energy. Now, when someone's fasting, I recommend just taking it easy. But he literally energized you. Just, you Took my daughter said that. Right. Days two and three, she didn't, she was like feeling, you know, not so good. By day four she's like, I have all the energy in the world.

I saw her walk through the house yesterday, she was bouncing around. I think she was what, five days into her fast?

Yeah, absolutely. Well anyways, these ancient healing strategies, you know, they really help fix the cell as well as obviously we target it with certain supplementation we're talking about. But toxins really are driving the epidemic of why the cell is not functioning, why people don't feel well, why their hormones aren't regulated.

And then number five was what?

Reestablishing methylation. And that's really, when you think of methylation, think of folate, think of B12. These are products that help the process of methylation. And if you have the methyltetrahydrofolate gene, then an active form of methylation called methyltetrahydrofolate is the active form of methylation.

I take the Thorne multivitamin that has the methyltetrahydrofolate form in it. You just want to look at a multivitamin if you're taking something like that and make sure it's not folic acid. Right, that it's the mthfr.

Yes, exactly, yeah.

And you know about foods, are there foods?

Absolutely. I mean of course your vegetables, the green leafy vegetables are fantastic. And of course, you know, grass fed meat is too because of the B12 levels, I mean, so you know, getting a variety of all these healthy foods is obviously very important. Here's what people don't anticipate is you could say, well I've methyl depleted. And by the way, one of the things people that have a lot of anxiety, stress, those are oftentimes your methyl depleted people. But say I eat those things well, why do I still have an issue? Any type of stress, physical, chemical or emotional will deplete you of methylation. That's an epidemic today. So I like to call it the epidemic within the epidemic. People are neurotoxic, toxic, depleting methylation and just very quickly. And we'll talk about some solutions on the toxic end here in a second. But my wife was lead toxic, she got it from her mother and she was heading down the same hormonal road as her mother who ended up dying of uterine cancer. She 10 years before had breast cancer, got the normal treatments. They said she was a survivor, never dealt with the issue directly of her hormone imbalance, what was causing it, which was her leg. She was majorly methyl depleted. So my wife's hormone test, we looked at it and said, my gosh, the same thing's happening. She was massively methyl depleted despite eating perfect and doing all these things. Well, it wasn't until I tested her lead and realized her lead was off the chart. That's what was depleting her methylation. Her mother never got to that cause my wife did. So her methylation ultimately improved despite taking high levels of these vitamins, without improving it on the test by getting rid of the lead.

So these things all kind of track together. Like if, for example, you're taking methyltetrahydrofolate, but your cholesterol is really low because you're eating a low fat diet, say, and you're not one of those few people who, like, who have the APO4.4 gene, who maybe would do better on a lower fat diet, then you're still gonna have issues. Or if you, say, are taking methyltetrahydrofolate and eating lots of coconut oil, but you still have some source of lead or mercury vaporizing in your mouth, you're still gonna feel crappy.

That's the point. Yeah. It will constantly drive cellular inflammation, oxidize that membrane that we know is so important. It will constantly deplete your methylation. It will constantly drive. Yes, that's the point. Toxins today are really why people don't feel, why people aren't performing at the level they want to, why people can't even lose weight. It's driving cellular dysfunction. You know, weight loss resistance is an epidemic. The key is you have to fix the cell to get well. These are cellular issues. This is an epidemic. And rarely do we have practitioners, even on the alternative side, addressing this true cause of why people aren't doing well today.

Okay, so we got into the five R's. We kind of rabbit holed down the five R's because we were talking about how stuff accumulates in the cell. And you said that you got to do cellular detoxification. Not just detoxification, but you got to get into the cell membrane.

Right.

We were talking about zeolite.

Yeah, we kind of went off on that.

Yeah. So is zeolite one of those things that can actually cross the cellular membrane?

Yeah, and when I left that point, I made a point that it's a particle. And for years it's been used in the environment for cleanup. So we know it's a true binding reminder. But the challenge has been getting it past the gut. Now, years ago, they brought me these liquid zeolites and we tested them, and we didn't get the result we were looking for. We didn't have.

Who brought you?

Just people. Random people. People bringing stuff.

You're in Cairo. People bringing stuff.

Not just because I was a coward, because I. Because this is my area of detox. And once I got my life back, it threw me into this whole area. Now, this is what I teach, so. But we really didn't find any validity to the product. After looking at it closer, it was still a particle. It was more of a suspension in a liquid. Matter of fact, if you let these products sit on your shelf, you would see this film at the bottom. Well, that was the zeolite settling out. Point being still too large really, to make a difference. Now, in the advertising, ours is nano. Ours is small enough. It still didn't get into the cell. It wasn't until a few years ago that a brilliant scientist from Greece, Nicholas.

Serkos. These Greek names.

A brilliant guy, I mean, has a war.

Nicholas with a K, if he was Greek.

Right, exactly. He has actually, like, two last names. I didn't give the other one.

Right. And a universe.

Yeah. And now, of course, yeah, sorry, Nicholas. But the guy's brilliant. He won many awards in cardiovascular surgery. Developed something called the flow meter. I mean, brilliant. So this guy brings me this product, not Nicholas at this time, and he starts telling me about it. And I was really disappointed because he said it was. I said, wow, that's pretty impressive. Then he said it was a liquid zeolite. I said, oh, darn. He said, no, no, this is different. He hydrolyzed it. He made it. He changed the molecular weight. It's not just size, because that's immediately what I brought up. Up. And he says, no, no, he hydrolyzed it. He made it different. You have to talk to him. I spoke to him, and he started at Mayo, ended up at Cleveland and Cleveland Clinic. And right outside Cleveland Clinic, I went to see his lab and saw what he was doing, and I became a believer. And then we tested it within a small group of 30 of our doctors. And so the clinical outcomes have been just spectacular. Of course, now we're using it, thousands of us, but.

All right, so help me understand this. You're hydrolyzing zeolite. So zeolite would normally be like a mineral. And what happens when you hydrolyze the mineral?

Yeah, I mean, you're able to. I love when he gives the example of a building, right? You think about, like a skyscraper. That's a zeolite particle, Right. And then you can start breaking this particle down to where it now is in different pieces, smaller and smaller and smaller. You know, we live in a three dimensional world. So it doesn't just cross the membrane by size. And that's where people are deceived by a lot of these other products. The molecular weight, something has to be between 200. Now just round it down 200 and 600 molecular weight for it to cross the membrane.

Okay, that's measured in daltons, right?

It is.

Okay.

So when you look at it and something has.

See, I remember something from college.

Yeah, no, right, exactly. So that's actually the key. If you notice how these products are measured, if you don't see the dalton there, then you're not going to have something that crosses in. It'll be measured in something like nano, which is size. So size matters. Size matters. However, also the molecular weight matters. And so that is the magic that he did. And now this, not only.

This new zeolite not only crosses into the cell, but it also even crosses into the brain. So that's groundbreaking. Because if we're able to cross into the cell, if we're able to upregulate cell function, now we have something that's unique and different.

Okay, so once zeolite is put into.

A form where it's small enough, where.

You hydrolyze it and it can cross into the cell and it can cross the blood brain barrier. What's it doing once it gets in there?

Yeah. Now you have to have a true binder, right? You have to have.

Yeah, because that's what you were talking about earlier, how if you have a weak binder, like you were talking about cilantro, then you're just spreading stuff around.

Absolutely. You know, even glutathione, which I'm a big fan and part of what I teach is raising intracellular glutathione. It really, you know, when I was sick, I did a lot of injection of glutathione. Right. Putting pure glutathione right into my bloodstream. But you have to understand, taking glutathione doesn't go into the cell, but glutathione has, it's not a really strong bond. So when I would take these glutathione injections, I would literally stir things up and it would create the crazies. So glutathione is part of the process, but you need these true binders to deal with these types of toxins that are very difficult for even your body's natural defense against toxins like Glutathione to spring completely out of the body. So, you know, it is very important to utilize a true, true binder that enters the cell. Some of the particles can stay outside the cell and even clean up. But that's the magic you need that you have to upregulate cell function. But you need a true binder to make sure it's all the way out of the body.

So, so if you hydrolyze zeolite and make it small enough, like, does it bind? Like, can it bind these things like pesticides?

It has the ability, it's a trick true binder. And so now we have something that we know binds even in nature to pesticides, heavy metals, they use it. It's scientifically proven to bind to these things. Now we can get them in the cell, in the body, to make that much of a difference in the tissue to where the toxins actually are.

Okay. And then once the zeolite is in the cell and it's bound something, how does it get out? What happens when that's.

So the neat thing is, is that once it becomes this bigger particle attaches to it, the body starts to move things out and then it goes through the bloodstream out of the body, and it's very easily removed because the body doesn't like things like that. Big things, by the way. That's how our body removes toxins. Right. It binds things to them to become something different. Even in the liver, conjugation occurs where it takes a toxin, binds something else to it, and then the body says, okay, great, and then it removes it from the body.

So if you were using something like this hydrolyzed zeolite, would you have to drink way more water to actually flush out the body?

Yeah, it's always advisable to drink more water. Absolutely. But the body gets rid of it. It does, once it's attached. Look, for years we've used true chelators and binders. One called dmsa, one called dmps, another called edta. Look, we know these things.

Those are like things that you would take prior to doing one of those metal challenge.

That's true, because they're water. DMSA or DMPs are water soluble. They're in you and out of you very quickly. But by the way, that's the problem, is that IV chelation can be very, very dangerous. It works great in acute situations. So if you have an acute poisoning, get an iv, it grabs and gets out of the body very quickly. It attaches this molecule to it. However, in chronic poisoning, these water Solubles, they grab, they pull a bunch away from throughout the body, throughout extracel, we say, and pull it out of the body. But the problem is this, it goes away. The binding agent and the metals start to redistribute, even start to come across concentration gradient. So for those types of things to be safe, you have to take them often enough. Every four hours, every eight hours. Each one has a different half life and you have to take them for as many days as say, four to seven days. So when you do stop, it minimizes what redistributes. So, so point is, two sides of the aisle. Imagine this, you have people over here with herbal weak binders. You have the allopathic group over here with true binders that have the ability to grab, but they're giving them an iv, utilizing them incorrectly, both end up disastrous. Hence the article that I wrote, when detox becomes dangerous. So there is this middle ground of using a true binder but using it correctly, and one that actually has the ability to actually go into the cell and make a difference. Because that's where the epidemic is. You know, the epidemic isn't just the 10 day cleanse or the colon cleanse. And again, I have nothing against any of those things. We have to get to the cell if we're going to make an impact on why people don't feel well. But even beyond that, it's not even about feeling well. Ultimate performance. Getting your cells to function the way God intended them to function. You have to get to the cell to make that impact in performance, function. Brain fog, whatever it is, is.

Yeah, yeah. The last time that I was here, I was doing another train to hunt competition and you had mentioned this concept of like hydrolyzed zeolite as being a binder and you gave me this little bottle. It was, I'm looking at the label now. Clinopt.

Clinoptilolite.

Clinoptilolite. Zeolite. So that's like the really small hydrolyzed version of zeolite.

Exactly.

Okay.

Not all versions of zeolite are created equal. This.

Okay. Clinoptillolite. Zeolite.

Right.

And this, this stuff's called cyto detox.

Correct? You gave cyto meaning cell.

Yeah, you gave that to me and I took it. I. I did. I think you told me 10 drops morning, 10 drops evening. Yeah, I did that and I, I think I texted you like three days.

You did.

I felt like crap.

Yeah.

Like I was napping like three hours. I was having these huge dumps. It was, it was bad news bears yeah, yeah. What was going on there? Like, is that, is that normal?

It works. It's a real product right now. I said, what did I say? Just cut your nose.

I'm not a super toxic guy. No, no.

But you know what, here's the thing though. Your body works well, your cells work well. So it went right after some things that you really have never addressed and that's most likely heavy metals. And it grabbed it and started bringing it out. I said, just cut your dose down and you did. And okay, I felt better. So, yeah, I mean, it grabbed on to some metals and started pulling it out and your body started letting it go of others. The product works.

Now you said before, like 30 days too short, three months too short that most people because they've built up metals and pesticides and toxins. And I did, we were talking about this the other day. I did grow up on Big Macs and pizza and iceberg lettuce and lots of pesticide and herbicide laden produce.

And I still have, I have two of those bottles of this Cyto detox. How long would somebody need to actually use this stuff to truly clean out their bodies?

And when you get it, you could take it literally month straight. But after that, I tell people seven days on, seven days off. I always say the average person needs six months just to remove enough heavy metal to where you literally go, yeah, my gosh, I can think clear again. And by the way, we didn't talk about the positive effect. That's what people go, they go, my gosh, I can think more clearly because it's able to cross into the brain, it's able to get to these toxins at the cellular level where, you know, literally it affects the way we think, driving inflammation of our brain and our brain cells. But you know, I mean, that's it. Six months on average. If you have any type of health challenge, you know, two years, you know, on and off cycle, on and off cycle of using it, your body will detox.

Why do you need to cycle?

You know, I like any type of detox. I like to cycle because you want to rest your natural pathways, you want to rest your cells, you want to not, you know, challenge your body.

Body.

I believe all detox, even in nature, happens in cycles. A woman's period is a detox. It happens monthly. So when you look at nature, even the way the earth cleans itself, it's always done in cycles, always. So we're basically just duplicating the way.

The earth cleans itself.

Yeah, I mean, just like how like if you look at the ecosystem of a lake, a river, things happen in cycles. Even how algae is redistribute, microbiome changes. So I mean all detox in nature is cycled. So therefore we just duplicate what we see in nature. We want to cycle. And by the way, not only does it rest the pathways, but on the off cycle you're allowing things to move from higher concentration to lower concentration, resettle out and then you start to clear again.

Has there ever actually been any studies on what happens when you take this stuff? Like whether it can do damage?

Yeah, there are, you know, it's amazing, this stuff. Studies that are out there on using these clinoptily particles for multiple conditions, for lead poisoning, et cetera. But yes, the studies are out there and right now we're excited because we're doing new studies with this new hydrolyzed form.

I'm looking on your website right now. What's this pampa? PAMPA study?

Yeah, the pampa. Actually this is the only, only product of its kind, the only detox product on the planet right now that's ever been proven by that PAMPA study, by the way. That is the way to show that something crosses into the cell, in and out of a cell.

Parallel artificial membrane permeability assay. What is that?

Yeah, pampa, don't get confused with my last name, which is Pampas. Yeah, no, it is the scientific way to prove that something moves in and out of membranes. It crosses the membranes, even into the blood brain barrier. But. So this is the only detox product with that ability to make that claim.

So they've tested, they've used this PAMPA analysis to see if it actually does move in and out.

Exactly.

Of a lipid cell membrane.

Yes. Which is again the only product that can make the claim because it's.

And a normal zeolite is just too big.

Right. Or too, even the liquid ones, they're too big or heavy is a better. Where molecular weight is too much.

Okay, so there's this cyto detox stuff. Is that the primary source where someone actually get clinoptyolite? Yes, I'm getting that word down. Zeolite.

Yep.

Okay, how did that stuff get developed? I mean, did this doctor gave it to you and then you came up with a name for it or put it in a bottle or. What exactly happened after this Nicholas guy?

Yeah, yeah. So he contacted us knowing that I, I have a group of doctors knowing that cellular detox is my forte. And they got in touch with me and of course I had to see some of the research. And I had to use it clinically. So we took it and utilized it with 20 or 30, actually about 30 doctors clinically. And we saw unbelievable results that we hadn't seen in years. So what took me years to get these, the metals, out of my brain. We're seeing results much faster now because we have a tool that we didn't have.

Right. So you could detox the gut, you could detox tissues, you could, you know, like, I'll do like, you know, niacin and infrared sauna to lipolyze fat cells. But what you're saying is if you really want to get into the cell, you have to use this tiny, tiny little particle if you truly want to detox through a cellular membrane.

Right? Yeah.

And then can you combine it with some of those other things, like glutathione?

That's what I was just going to.

Say, like a liver cleanse or cilantro smoothies or like, you know, me doing the sauna. Like, can you do all of it at once?

Absolutely, yeah. And I would recommend it. I do.

Just stay away from. From, like this DMSO stuff that you talked about. Yeah, it really toxic.

Absolutely.

Cilantro, chlorella. You should do this first.

Absolutely. And I don't have a problem with. I mean, it's just not a weak bind for metals that's going to cross into the cell. It's just a different type of binder. It's more in the category of a weaker binder. It doesn't make it bad. It's just, you have to understand that it's not a true binder, that it's going to grab this toxin, not let it go and bring it all the way out. You know, so I'm a believer in clean chlorella, you know, and different things, but marketing it as a true.

I saw the recovery bits out in Kitchen county, the organic cracked cell wall. It's good stuff.

Spirulina, but it's not a true binder. People that have true heavy metal issues, they'll take it and say, well, I'm not. I didn't help. Yeah, yeah. It's a different function.

And it was weird. Like, after three days and. And you told me to decrease the dosage. I don't think I told you this, but I didn't. I stayed with 10. 10 in the evening.

Yeah. You're like me.

I'm like, I want to get it out. And then I started to feel really, really good. And I actually, next week I'm going Back home and doing a urine test to see if it actually decreased any levels of metals in my body because I had some mercury, some lead, some manganese.

And in you, I predict it will. However, what we do see is I said that lead is stored in the bone. Right. A lot of the mercury stored in the brain and other deep tissues. But oftentimes we'll see people, their tests rise up and then come down. And the reason is because it's starting to move it from the deeper tissue issues.

Now the metals go up and then go down.

Yeah. But oftentimes they actually feel better and they say, well, yet I feel better. Why is my lead higher? Well, it's because it's getting out of that deeper tissue. But, you know, so oftentimes we see it rise up before, then it starts to drop down again. But it's a true binder. It works. So, you know you're going to see it change.

Okay, so I'm taking furious notes here. And if you guys go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com pompa that's BenGreenfieldFitness.com p o m p a I'm linking to some of these books that we talked about, like the biology of belief that I'm reading right now. And this cancer is a metabolic disease and some of this information like the smoking tooth video and mercury dental fillings. But then as far as this cyto detox stuff goes. Cyto detox, you've got a website here that people can go to. I'm gonna link to that in the show notes too. But it's BenGreenfieldFitness.com Cyto and that little bottle that's on that website, that's just that clinoptilolizel and that's it. Nothing else.

That's it.

You just take that, you do the drops in the morning, the drops in the evening. And there's also a book on that site. What's the book that people get?

Yeah, it's part of what we put out when we put out something called trucella detox. And it really helps helps with the dietary changes that are going to help your detox pathway. Some of the things we said, hey, this is great to combine it with, you know, not just doing the drops itself. So that'll give you some pointers there. It's very good. It's a lot of great information, even recipes. So very helpful.

So people could get this cyto detox. They get the E book and is the ebook like a certain period of days that you follow the diet or is it just general?

Yeah, no, there's some general and more specifics in the book. So I think it'll be a really helpful resource for people to understand that. Again, when we're looking at cellular detox, you know, we want to upregulate cell function as a part of the detox as well.

Does it have some of that diet variation stuff that you talked about?

I don't know if that is in there. I don't think that's in there. There's a program that I've put together now that practitioners are utilizing. It's called the True Cellular Detox Program. And in that I talk about the diet variation which I would love to do a whole show on because it's perfect for your listeners.

I didn't have to go to the Salt Lake City airport now and actually fly home to see my family who I haven't seen in a week. We could do it now. But even right now, if you're listening in, you should check out this website. So it's BenGreenfieldFitness.com Cyto and you can get a bottle of the Cyto detox, 30 day money back guarantee if you want to try it. I'll warn you. We should probably warn people, Dan, that they might not feel amazing when they first start because I didn't. It took a few days and now I feel really good. But you take this and then your five Rs. You've got that article as well on your site.

I want to link that doctor. Yeah, my website has the articles on there and there's an article on there about Trucella detox as well. And like you, I even do Cellular Healing tv. There's all types of information.

Yeah, you've got a podcast too, so the five Rs I'll link to that as well. So if you're listening in, go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com pompa p o m P A if you want the show notes for this episode. And then go to BenGreenfieldFitness.com Cyto that's BenGreenfieldFitness.comCyto and that's where you can get this little bottle, this little dropper bottle, that's this clinoptilolite zeolite. And if you've got pesticide exposure, metal exposure, anything like that, and you want to use the detoxification protocol that Dr. Pompa has designed combined with these five Rs that we went over today. Really cool way to detoxify yourself. The right way.

It's the real deal. Yeah, no, it's the real deal. We have practitioners, hundreds using it all over the country, changing lives.

Yeah.

And again, if you guys are listening in, Dr. Pompa practices what he preaches. Hardcore mountain biker. He's kicked my butt the past couple of days.

Yeah, well, you came off of looks.

Like a million bucks.

Yeah, you came off a hard endurance. Two days, that's for sure. Something that's harder than a ironman. You told me so.

Trained to hunt. Did beat me up a little bit. But regardless, I like guys who are actually out there.

Not just creating products like this, but actually walking the walk and talking the talk. And Dr. Palm Pompa's one of those guys. So if you guys haven't yet heard of Dr. Dan or tapped into some of his stuff, definitely check out the show notes. So BenGreenfieldFitness.com p o m p a is where all the goodness is at. And then you can get the special offer with the free shipping and the ebook and everything@BenGreenfieldFitness.com Cyto and Dr. Dan.

Yeah, man.

I want to thank you for coming on the show today.

Absolutely. It's my purpose, my pleasure, and suffered to even be here.

That was fun, man. All right, cool. Well, thanks for listening in, folks. And I'm Ben Greenfield along with Dr. Dan Pompa signing out from BenGreenfieldFitness.com Go detoxify yourselves. You feel like a million bucks? Over and out.

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