42: Are You High Net Growth?
8 Dec 2025 · 26 min
This is a podcast episode (Pivot Podcast #42) in which Jenny Blake reads the sample chapter “High Net Growth” from her book Pivot. The chapter defines “impactors” — people who prioritize growth and impact over solely financial gain — and outlines concepts to guide career pivots: growth mindset (Carol Dweck), measuring risk with a “riskometer” and zones (comfort, stretch, panic, stagnation), four career operating modes (inactive, reactive, proactive, innovative), and strategies for incremental pivots (planting, scanning, piloting). The episode includes examples of people who pivoted (Kristin & John, Travis, Kyle) and closing promotional calls-to-action (preorder bonuses, website links, newsletter).
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What's next? This is a question we're all having to ask and answer more frequently. I'm Jenny Blake, your host of the Pivot Podcast and author of Pivot. The only move that matters is your next one.
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Welcome back to the Pivot Podcast. Today I'm doing something a little different. I'm going to be reading from the sample chapter of Pivot's introduction. This is called High Net Growth. Before I jump in, as a reminder, you can get this sample chapter the full behind the Book Toolkit, early access to the Pivot Method Toolkit, $500 worth of in courses including access to Book Ninja, Systems Ninja Speak Like a and a signed book plate if you pre order before September 6th. So head on over to pivotmethod.com pre order and grab your copy. Thank you in advance. Let's dive in. And by the way, this book will be available on Audible read by yours truly, so check that out during the launch week as well. Hopefully it will be up right around the same time as the hardcover comes out.
High Net Growth I did stand up comedy for 18 years. Ten of those years were spent learning, four years were spent refining, and four were spent in wild success. Steve Martin Born Standing Up I was sitting behind a card table in the sticky Texas heat at the south by Southwest Conference in 2011, signing copies of Life After College at a small launch party. The books were not even in stores yet. They were truly hot off the press. The first person in line walked up to the table and as I started signing, asked, so what's next? I stuttered and stammered through an awkward reply. Even though he had the best intentions, I couldn't help but feel a bit deflated. It was so strange. Here was this massive project, this life goal embodied in a bound stack of paper sitting in my hands. After three years of staring down my gremlins to write it, and people were already asking, what's next?
The truth was, I had no idea. I had just started three months of unpaid leave from Google and as regularly as brushing my teeth, I agonized over my own next career move. As the clock on my sabbatical ticked down every day I struggled with what the right decision would be. Returned to Mountain View after my book tour, asked to work part time from New York City or leave the company altogether? Should I make the safe, secure choice? Or should I take the risk of leaving and do the thing that terrified and excited me most by taking my own business full time? Though I loved my time at Google, it was the best 5 year MBA I could ask for. Ultimately, I felt I could make the biggest contribution if I pursued a new direction. I ran the numbers. I could Support up to 35,000 Googlers at the time through internal career development programs. Or I could leave and try to expand my reach and global impact to a far greater number, following my personal mission to be as helpful as possible possible to as many people as possible.
Some people measure their lives in terms of money, orienting their careers around acquiring wealth and material markers of success. Those who have accumulated financial wealth are considered high net worth individuals. But for the vast majority of people I encounter, money is not the number one driver of purpose and fulfillment. It's only a partial means to that end. A study by Daniel Kahneman and Angus Deaton confirms this Once people surpass 75,000 in annual net income, which would be about 82,000 in today's dollars, they experience no statistically significant bump in their day to day emotional well being.
For many, money is nice to have, but not at the expense of soul crushing work if they have the economic ability to choose otherwise. The people I'm talking about, and the ones for whom this book will resonate most are those who are unwilling to settle for a career of phoning it in. They're willing to pay dues but are not prepared to sit stalled for long, unable to see the value or impact of their work. These individuals optimize for high net growth and impact, not just high net worth. I call them impactors for short. Impactors love learning, taking action, tackling new projects and solving problems. They are generous and cooperative and imbued with a strong desire to make a difference. Impactors aim first and foremost for a sense of momentum and expansion. They ask, am I learning? When their inward desire for growth is being met, they turn their attention outward, seeking to make a positive impact on their families, companies, communities and global societies.
Often these happen in tandem by seeking problems they can fix and tackling them. Impactors meet their needs for exploration and challenge. Uncovering callings along the way Stanford University psychologist Carol Dweck, author of Mindset the Psychology of Success, discovered in her research that the most successful people are those with a growth mindset. These are people who believe that their basic qualities are things they can cultivate through their efforts, rather than believing their gifts or lack of them are fixed traits. The truth, Dweck says, is that brains and talent are just the starting point. The passion for stretching yourself and sticking to it even or especially when it's not going well is the hallmark of the growth mindset, dweck writes. This is the mindset that allows people to thrive during some of the most challenging times in their lives.
Maintaining a growth mindset is critical to navigating a pivot successfully. By seeing change as an opportunity rather than a personal shortcoming or obstacle, you'll be much more likely to find creative solutions based on what excites you rather than subpar choices clouded by fear. Making career moves based solely on running from unhappiness and avoiding fear is like trying to fix a gaping wound with a band aid. The solution does not stay in place for long. With a growth mindset, you'll be open to new ideas, observant in your experimentation, deliberate in your implementation, and flexible in the face of change. Fixed Anything doesn't work for impactors who are allergic to stagnation and boredom Author Tim Ferriss captured this sentiment in the Four Hour Work Week, saying, the opposite of love is indifference and the opposite of happiness is boredom. It turns out that boredom itself can induce stress, causing the same physical discomfort as too much work, increased heart rate and cortisol levels, as well as muscle tension, stomach aches and headaches. For impactors, boredom is a symptom of fulfillment, deficiency of not maximizing for growth and impact, rather than a sign of inherent laziness. As University of Waterloo professor of neuroscience James Dankert wrote, we tend to think of boredom as someone lazy as a couch potato. It's actually when someone is motivated to engage with their environment and all attempts to do so fail, it's aggressively dissatisfying.
In her 1997 study, Dr. Amy Rezneski, Associate professor of organizational behavior at Yale University School of Management, proposed that people see their work as a job, career or calling. Those with a job orientation see work as a means to the end of paying the bills. Those with a career orientation are more likely to emphasize success, status and prestige. And those with a calling describe work as integral to their lives, a core part of their identity and a fulfilling reward in itself. Impactors fall clearly into the second category and aspire to the third if they're not already there. Impactors are not just asking, what did I earn? But what did I learn? What did I create? What did I contribute? They measure their quality of life by how much they are learning, challenged, and contributing. If they're doing all three intelligently and intentionally, they work hard to ensure that the money will follow.
It's not that impactors aren't interested in money. They are. They have no desire to live as starving artists. They know it's challenging, if not impossible, to focus on others if one's own basic needs are not met first. But when faced with the prospect of a career plateau, they would make the horizontal move, leave the cushy corporate job, or bootstrap their own business to prioritize growth and impact. A person who aims for learning and contribution may rank intellectual capital over financial capital if pressed to choose, but often ends up wealthy in both. Take Kristen Golfaro and John Scaife, who traded coffee and cotton in the open outcry pits on Wall street for five years. Tired of the daily pressures of their jobs and looking for meaning beyond buying and selling commodities, they pooled their money in 2014 to start an urban farming business in Red Hook, Brooklyn. They sought to help revolutionize food production by bringing fresh, local, pesticide free produce to New York City year round. They were more inspired as impactors in their new business spring ups than they ever were in finance. Though he spent thousands of hours in high school and college preparing for a career in medicine, Travis Hellstrom decided to join the Peace Corps after graduation. Instead, he gave up his full ride to medical school and moved to Mongolia, where he served in the Peace corps for over three years, living on $200 a month. When Travis reflects on the decision, he says, it took a lot of soul searching and being okay with disappointing myself and others. But I left my life and found my calling. After he returned, Travis pivoted again to nonprofit coaching and community management. Several years later, he parlayed that independent consulting work into a role as chair of the Ms. In Management Mission Driven Organization's graduate program at Marlboro University.
Impactors continue learning and contributing throughout their working lives, which often extend far past what is traditionally thought of as retirement age. When I asked Kyle Durand about his impending retirement from the military after 27 years of service, his sentiments reflected those of many people I know who have no plans to retire in the traditional sense. I think retirement is an antiquated notion. The whole idea that you work most of your adult life in order to eventually do the things you want is outmoded, kyle said. My retirement from the military is simply closing the chapter on that part of my career, but it is not the end of my working days by any stretch. Now I can shift into building my business full time. That's my future, part of my legacy. That's how I want to make an impact with the people I care about.
Kristin, John, Travis and Kyle pivoted in new directions that were more aligned with their values, interests and goals. Even though there was not a guarantee of success as impactors, they saw these changes as opportunities for growth and recognized that their ability to learn and adapt would help them land on their feet no matter what. This helped them maintain a positive outlook throughout their pivots, knowing they would benefit from following their instincts and aspirations instead of societal expectations, no matter the outcome. As I was writing this book, many of the people I initially interviewed returned six months or a year later and said things like, don't bother putting my story in the book. I'm pivoting again. This manifested in a variety of ways. They got poached by another company for an even better role. Their company folded, got acquired, or got sold. They decided not to pursue a new skill or industry after all, they realized entrepreneurship was or was not for them. Or they shifted their business into a more promising new direction. Hearing these updates did not surprise me, nor did it mark their initial pivot as a failure. Instead, they're prime examples of what it means to be high net growth and impact individuals. I expect to hear that impactors are pivoting and adjusting dynamically at every turn.
For a directory of people featured in this book and what they're up to now, visit pivotmethod.com people.
Career operating modes an essential facet of the Pivot mindset is self awareness. How are you currently showing up in your day to day work? Are you operating at your desired energy levels, creative output and impact? I've observed four primary career operating modes among inactive, reactive, proactive, and innovative. The first two are impact or stressors. The latter two are sweet spots. Inactive does not seek changes paralyzed by fear, uncertainty, and self doubt Covers up career or life dissatisfaction with unhealthy habits such as numbing out with excessive amounts of food, alcohol, tv, video games, and so on Feels and acts like a victim of circumstances.
Reactive mimics others Models for success without originality Follows instructions to the letter Waits for inspiration to strike Phones it in at work Feels unhappy but does not inquire into why or what to do about it. Lets fear overrule planning for the future and subsequent action steps Proactive Seeks new projects Actively learns new skills Is open to change Improves existing programs make connections with others Takes ownership even within existing leadership structures Has a giver mentality Willing and invested in helping others May not be fully using innate talents, but is exploring what they are and how to amplify them Innovative in addition to proactive mode qualities Fully taps into unique strengths Focuses on purpose driven work and making meaningful contributions Is energized by a strong vision for new projects with a clear plan for making them happen does not just improve existing structures, but creates new solutions to benefit others.
Impactors thrive in situations where they are able to be proactive and even more so, innovative in driving their career forward, implementing new ideas and creatively solving problems stretching to the edges of what's possible for themselves and the companies they start or work for. When impactors find themselves in inactive or reactive operating mode, they look to pivot again toward a new, more engaging opportunity. Although it's true that some people might work in inactive or reactive mode for their entire careers, this is not a life that impactors can stomach. The boredom, anxiety and feeling of standing still becomes increasingly intolerable, often manifesting in physical symptoms such as headaches, getting sick more frequently, or worse. At these critical pivot points, impactors must recognize this tension and take action. Otherwise, the unhappiness from staying still for too long compounds, making the career confusion feel insurmountable and taking it from conundrum to crisis.
Though they may get restless more easily, impactors do have a distinct advantage by seeing career boosts and setbacks as learning opportunities. All outcomes become fodder for growth. Nassim Nicholas Taleb captures this concept in the six word title of his book, Things that Gain From Disorder. Antifragile organisms do not simply withstand change and survive it. They become better because of it. A glass is fragile. If you drop it, it breaks. A tree is resilient in strong winds it sways but stays standing, more or less remaining the same. Organisms that are antifragile actually benefit from shocks to Leb invokes Hydra, the creature from Greek mythology. When one of Hydra's many heads is cut off, two grow back in its place. The tough times cliche is true. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. According to Taleb, anti fragile organisms thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder and stressors and love, adventure, risk and uncertainty. Love, risk and uncertainty. Huh? Aren't these things to be mitigated if not entirely eliminated, not if you want to be antifragile in a world that is ruled by them. Impactors find ways to thrive in uncertainty and disorder. Rather than merely reacting to randomness or becoming paralyzed by it. They look for opportunities to alchemize what is already working into what comes next. At the same time, impactors know better than to obsess over certainty by planning too far ahead rather than trying to pin down where they see themselves in five years. As the typical and ineffective interview question goes, they know that what they will do in the future may not exist yet.
Instead of resisting change or berating themselves for not having everything planned out, impactors embrace a degree of uncertainty and appreciate the in between.
Trust your risk tolerance after much deliberation, I chose not to return to Google after my sabbatical. That's when I first realized that financial security and great benefits were important to me, but not the ultimate drivers of my career decisions. I knew it wouldn't be fair to Google or to my book to give both projects short shrift by taking on too much. I also knew that I couldn't sustain the pace of keeping side projects and a full time job much longer. I was exhausted and on the express train back to Burnout, where I unfortunately been too many times in prior years. Moreover, I had a hunch that leaving to start my own business would spring me out of proactive mode and challenge me to become the innovative impactor I longed to be. So In July of 2011, I became a free agent.
Fast forward one year and once more I was struggling, racking my brain about what's next again. I would be turning 30 soon and although I was proud of life after college, I didn't want to talk about it exclusively for the rest of my career. At the same time, in speeches and interviews, I'd become known as the girl who left Google. Even during my time there, I often felt uncomfortable with how much of my identity and professional self worth was tied up in the company's shadow. And here I was again facing the same issue from another perspective. I was defined by leaving things, but wanted to look ahead to a more energizing mission. What did I stand for? What problems was I passionate about solving? How could I build a sustainable business that would help me make a meaningful impact on others lives? For the next two years I wrestled with these questions, this time without a steady paycheck to fund the exploration. It was much more nerve wracking as my livelihood now depended on the answer. My tireless Brainstorming took me farther from myself, not closer. I circled around big ideas, big bets, and big leaps. But really, I kept entertaining options out there. Although any one could have been a brilliant idea to pursue over the next six months, they were not going to help me pay my bills this month. I felt like I was on a spinning teacup ride. I was dizzy, tired of circling vague ideas without a clear way forward, and nauseous about how to support myself. I'm a grown adult, I thought. There is no excuse for this. I understand now that I made the same mistake I see other pivoters making underestimating what I was capable of, particularly in a sink or swim situation, by looking too far outside of myself for answers. I set my sights on next steps that were inaccessible given my starting point and timeline, and that ultimately prevented me from making real progress. Barring massive events outside of our control, there is a sweet spot for when and how to pivot. You probably won't know with 100% certainty when to make your next big career move, but you can get a lot smarter about how you reduce the risks and potential margin for error. Error in the sense that you end up worse off than you are now. We all have a different risk tolerance. What is risky for someone else may be a snooze fest for you. Take your risk temperature by identifying which of the four zones you currently fall into on the riskometer. Keep these distinctions in mind as you proceed with your pivot. Pay attention to when you start playing it too safe, when you might find yourself slipping from the comfort zone into the stagnation zone, when something feels edgy but exciting your stretch zone or when a next step seems too overwhelming or extreme. Your panic zone riskometer reading stagnation zone Restless, antsy, trapped, anxious or bored may start manifesting as physical symptoms and health problems. Comfort Zone Feeling good about the status quo Daily life doesn't demand much deep thinking about the direction of your career. Work is fine.
Challenged, excited and motivated to get out of bed every day. Actively learning work may be unpredictable, but you feel engaged. Panic zone anxiety is starting to dominate your thoughts. You're not able to think long term about the future because you're dealing with things that are on fire in your day to day life or if contemplating next steps, you feel so paralyzed by fear that you end up doing nothing.
Career pivots can stretch us to our maximum capacity and often even a bit further, but they do not have to be debilitating. Working through the four pivot stages will help you avoid extremes on the risk spectrum, neither taking a blind leap nor analyzing yourself into the ground by over calculating every step. The ideal range for change for impactors is in the stretch zone, the place where you feel challenged, excited and focused when you with a healthy dose of adrenaline propelling you forward. One way to visualize the amount of risk, reward and work required for your pivot is to imagine plotting your move on a graph with time on the x axis and growth on the y axis. The degree or incline of your next move can be viewed as the amount of resources it consumes in time, money, energy and effort. A pivot can be subtle, say a 20 degree turn, such as moving to a new team at work. Or a pivot can be sharper, say 70 degrees, such as switching industries or leaving your job to start a business. Avoid pivots that are too sharp, too far past your stretch zone, what I call 180s. These are dramatic leaps of faith that have little to do with your current role or skill set, which means there are too many unknowns that you would be gambling on when you launch. However, even what sometimes looks like a 180 from the outside might actually be in execution. A pivot comprised of a series of smaller steps that paved the way for larger change. If your mission makes your heart sing, but the idea of launching into it tomorrow gives you a serious case of anxiety or agita, as Italians would say. Build incrementally toward the final launch stage by planting, scanning and piloting.
Too many steps ahead, one step back Thinking too many steps ahead about how to pivot My career in business in those first years after my book was published sent me into my panic zone. I was choked by fear, which was magnified by not knowing how I would consistently cover the basic practicalities of my life. As they say in the financial world, I was about to blow up. If I blew up, it would be time to get another full time job. There's nothing objectively wrong with that, but every cell of my body told me it was not the answer for me. At least not yet. All of a sudden, it hit me. Not once did I thoroughly examine my existing strengths. My book, my speaking engagements, the websites I had been building for seven years, the work activities I loved, who I knew, how I was already earning income. Any of these assets, if I was to dig deeper into them, could reveal a bounty of 10 more related areas to pursue. I was so ready for the next big thing that I shut myself off from looking at what was already working. I realized I had dozens of apps already downloaded skills, interests and past experiences all working in my favor, but that I had not been fully using. I had been so focused on what was not working or what I did not yet have clarity on that my transition turmoil lasted much longer than necessary.
I felt tremendous relief when I stopped blaming myself for my career confusion and started taking smarter, more focused steps. Combing my past for clues to my future gave me a sense of buoyancy and relief. I can figure this out. I started to celebrate the many things I was proud of and began experimenting with small extensions of the strengths and experiences I'd been accumulating throughout my career. This boosted my confidence and empowered me to solve the puzzle sitting right in front of me, with new insight into the pieces already at my disposal. In January of that key Pivot year, I questioned how I would pay my rent. By December, my business was in its most profitable year ever. For the first time, I surpassed six figures, nearly tripling my income from the three years prior. I reconnected with an even stronger sense of focus and flow in my work. Not because a lightning bolt of luck struck me from above, though there were plenty of lucky encounters, but because I was determined to do things differently. I didn't just happen upon my confidence again, I aggressively pursued it. This is the book I wish I'd had during that time. A practical tactical guide for the trenches of answering what's next. A blueprint for getting unstuck, taking smart risks, and navigating uncertainty now and in the future. A book that would help me and all of us stop spinning and refocus all that brilliant energy back where it belongs on making a positive difference for as many people as we are able to in this lifetime.
That concludes our sample chapter. I hope you enjoyed it. If you did, and you want to pre order your copy of pivot before September 6th to get the awesome bonus bundle, head over to pivotmethod.com preorder. Thank you all for listening and for walking these Pivot paths together. I'm so grateful to have you all here.
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