85: Musician Trevor Hall on Karma, Healing, Soul Maps From the Stars + Fruitful Darkness Song Premiere

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Hello everyone. Welcome back to the Pivot Podcast. I can't even contain my excitement for today's guest. It's like Christmas 10 times over and lets me know I must be doing something right with this show if I get to have today's very special guest, Trevor hall on the show. Trevor, welcome.

Thank you so much. Happy to be here.

Thank you. I'm going to read a little bit of your bio just to give if you're listening to this and you don't know who Trevor hall is, please do yourself a favor and go search for his stuff on Spotify, the Internet, his Kickstarter, asap. You've been missing out till now, but it's okay, you can catch up. But for all of you who aren't aware, I'll give a quick bio. Trevor was raised on an island in South Carolina. He's a singer songwriter who realized at a young age that music was more than just a passion, it was his life's art. At 16, he recorded his first album and soon after went to school in California where he studied classical guitar and was introduced to the practices of yoga and meditation which would greatly influence his life and music. Hall's music is a blend of roots and folk and imbued with a deep love of Eastern mysticism. His previous full length album releases, Chapter of the forest and Kala debuted at number three and two on the iTunes singer songwriter charts. The Fruitful Darkness is his first independent release supported by his fans known as the Villagers. And it has become the number one music campaign of its kind in 2017 on Kickstarter. And I was a contributor on Kickstarter and just about fell out of my chair when your team emailed me to say, hey, would you want to have Trevor on the show?

It's our blessing. It's our blessing.

When I was preparing for this, I went and I'm like, so you and Nako. I've listened to your music on repeat since I was in Bali in 2015 and I heard Nako live and then I was sitting, maybe if you've been there, you know, Bali Buddha Cafe.

Oh, yeah, I've been there before.

Yeah.

And I went there with Naco.

You did perfect. I knew for sure you guys would have been there. And the woman sitting across from me was like, oh, well, if you like, to Nako, you have to know about Trevor Hall. And so since 2015, your music and Nako's together, this I just saw, you've kind of described as like conscious music. I call it. It's like spiritual, but not religious. Music has just carried my life.

Like, oh, it's beautiful.

Soothing. And I even looked. My number one song that I listened to in 2017 on Spotify was Wish Man.

Yeah.

And the, the other song, because I just. I gotta throw these out there. You can't rush your healing.

Really got me through a rough time. And it's something I think your music does, which is because it is. It has this really spiritual tone to it. But again, it's not, it's not religious necessarily. It's very open. It just resonated so deeply. And I thought that that song, you can't rush your healing is actually so.

Descriptive of kind of what you do and the messages that you share. And I just remember listening to it over and over and over, trying to remember this message that you shared in that song. So I'm wondering if we could even start there of how that those lyrics came to you and kind of the broader themes in your music that you explore.

Yeah, that song is super. I mean, even, you know, for me, it's a very, very healing.

Medicinal, I guess, song. And, you know, songwriting for me is. It's just a process of.

Getting out of My own way. And I really feel like the songs are singing to me. You know, I am just listening to these songs. There's no thought involved. There's no, you know, I want my eye to step out of the way, you know, and let the bigger eye come through. And so sometimes when songs come through, I don't really know what they're about, or I don't know what they're for, or.

Sometimes, you know, a week later, a month later, a year later, I'll figure out the meaning, or that song I'll realize, oh, that song was made for this time, you know, right now.

And then there's songs that I still have no idea what I'm talking about. But it's. So with that being said, that song came through.

When we were living on Hawaii. We were spending some time there, and I was writing that album, Kala. But the song came through, and I didn't really know, you know, I was fine. I wasn't sick. I wasn't depressed that we were living in Hawaii, going to the beach every day and just really just having a beautiful time. And the song came through. I thought, oh, that's. I don't know what this is for. I don't know who this is for. But, you know, it came through and I recorded it in my home and then just kind of put it down and just left it and continued with the writing process like this. And then.

About a few months later, I got really, very, very, very sick. Extremely sick. And was hospital.

Was really going through a tough time because of the sickness. We had to cancel all these tours and things that we had worked so hard to get. We were supposed to go down to Australia to play this big festival that was kind of very hard for us to get on, and we had to cancel. So it was a very difficult time. I used to have long dreadlocks, but I had to shave them off because of the sickness. So I was kind of stripped of my identity as an artist. I was stripped of my identity as a musician. And this felt really lost, you know.

And then I remember the song, you know, this song came. You can't rush your healing. Because I think when all of us are going through a tough time or a sickness like this, we just, oh, I just want it to be over. I just want it to be over. I just want to get out of this, you know, and we push and push and push, and it doesn't work, you know, we can't rush our healing. That's the whole point of the song. And I had to really Surrender to the process. And.

Time went on. I got better, and we moved to LA at that time. And about two months later, or a month later, I'm forgetting exactly. We heard about the earthquake happened. The big earthquake happened in Kathmandu in Nepal. And we were very, very worried about our friends and family living there. My wife used to live there. And it's a very special place in our hearts. So we were very, very nervous. We were calling people like this. And then we realized when I was supposed to go down to Australia for that big festival, my wife was supposed to go to Kathmandu.

For a assignment. She's a photographer and a writer, but she canceled her trip when I got sick. She stayed with me when I got sick. And so we pulled up her flight info, and we realized that she would have been. She was scheduled to fly out that night from Kathmandu, and the earthquake happened earlier that morning. So she would have bitten Kathmandu if I would have gotten sick, and who knows what would have happened, right?

So.

That whole experience really taught me, I think, within the song, I said, Maw Maw told me time is such a wonderful gift. Maw Maw is my grandmother. And.

When she said that, it really affected me because I've always fought against time. And I think in our Western culture, time is such a mechanical thing. It's such a TikTok, TikTok thing. We have to get everything done before the clock runs out. And then we try again tomorrow, you know, like this. So it was this pressure. So I always felt this pressure of, hey, I got to figure this out, because I'm running out of time. I got to figure out life and all this stuff. But when my grandmother said that time is such a wonderful gift, it slowly changed my perspective, you know, because she was in her old age and she was about to pass over and thinking, why is she saying meth like this? You know? And with it, it kind of changed my perspective as time not as this TikTok linear thing, but time as a spirit, as a circle, as a cycle rather than a straight line. Time in the sense of a spirit, that everything in our lives, even the worst things getting sick or this or that, are being arranged at the perfect time. We can't even understand, you know, how perfect it all is. And if we try to rush it, we're not honoring that time spirit, you know, we're not honoring that great mother of time that knows what's best for us in each possible moment. And so that song really. And that whole experience.

Really healed me, not just from the song, but also from my Perspective on time and my life and what that means and surrendering to the here and now and knowing that everything is being arranged perfectly. I mean, imagine if we lived our lives that way, if everybody lived their lives that way, where they, you know, had faith in the timeline, you know, of their lives and every situation. It'd be very different. It'd be very different. So it's a practice, you know, it's everyday practice. But that song is. It's a song, you know, every time I sing it, I feel like I'm singing it for the first time. And that's a good feeling.

So that's so. There's so much beautiful stuff in what you just said. And you highlighted the line, mama. Well, she told me time is such a wonderful gift.

Yeah.

The next pairing of lines I also love, which is you're not running out, you're really running in.

Yeah, yeah.

It slaves me. And what you just said about time as a spirit, to honor it in that way, as like a precious spirit that we are co creating with. And it's not our enemy, it's not out to get us. And nor is it something that can be shoved into a box, literally a checkbox, a box of our life that I just love so much of what you just said about trust and faith and what a powerful.

Wow.

Like for you to hear this song before you got sick, before the earthquake, I mean, wow.

Yeah. And even things in my life now, you know, like I said, when I play the song, you know, I feel like I'm hearing it for the first time and all the things that I'm pushing against.

It helps me unravel and surrender and just let things happen, you know, as they're supposed to happen. You know, it's a non resistance type of attitude.

But it's not to be confused with, you know, sitting and doing nothing. I think that's another kind of spiritual bypass we call it, or a trip that we can get led up on. But it's about not being attached to the fruits of our actions. We're entitled to our work. We work hard, work hard for the things that we want to put out into the world. But at the end of the day, you leave the results to the winds, you know, to the higher power. Because that's how we get disappointed, you know. Oh. We have an idea of our. How things are supposed to go and like this. So as time goes on, it's taken on so many more meanings for me, which is the beauty of music and the beauty of time and being an.

Artist and it seems to me like I often say this about books. I read a quote somewhere that every book has a soul, and each reader who reads the book infuses it with even more life and more soul.

It's beautiful.

Yeah. And it seems like this. Not only this song, really all of your music, but each song has a soul. And every time you sing it and every time we listen, the more meaning is created in it, more healing. And it's timeless, really.

That's beautiful. I'm going to use that. I'll give you 5% of the next.

I love. I think you speak to such universal truths that you're on the journey and by you being on the journey allows us all to go with you through music. And one of my other. The main lyric of the song, you can't rush your healing. Darkness has its teachings. Love is never leaving. You can't rush your healing. And so I smiled when I saw the name of the new album, Fruitful Darkness. Because the theme carries over from this song to the album name.

Absolutely.

It's like we reject darkness so much. At least I do. And yet you're highlighting and singing. It sounds like for yourself and others, the fruitful darkness, that there are gifts. So many gifts in our life come from these places when we're down.

Yeah, I mean, it's. You know, each album has a different theme, you know, but that theme. Yeah, was definitely carried over from that song and.

The last, the Fruitful Darkness. Really, this project that we're currently releasing is.

An extension of that song, and it's an extension of that time because when I got sick.

You know, right when that song happened, it was the beginning of a chapter. And Kala was already written.

The previous album. But you Can't Rush youh Healing was on that album. But it started a chapter of my life.

And it's. In astrological terms, it's called your Saturn return, which is something that I learned about very quickly. I was forced to learn about very quickly.

Mine kicked my ass six years from Sunday.

For a year, I didn't know if I was going to make it out or not.

Yeah, my book pivot came out of my Saturn return. It was such a cris.

Yeah, see, but that's exactly it, though, is that those. Some of the greatest things come out of our times of struggle. And I think in our Western culture, the darkness also doesn't mean just like negative, like darkness. The darkness can mean undefined space.

Things that are not concrete. And I feel like in our Western culture, we're so obsessed with knowing what's going on and we're so obsessed with.

You know, being in control. And also.

I don't know about a lot of people, but I feel like in our western culture I certainly kind of was taught, you know, when you're growing up in life, you know, all the bad things we tend to just, let's just push that over here, you know, let's just push this under the rug and you only focus on, on the good.

And I think that that is unhealthy. I think that that is not part of the fullness of our creation and our existence.

Because those dark times, those times of struggle, those times of.

Adversity are the times when we grow. Those are the times when we have to go deep within ourselves and find out who we are and find out what we're made of and tap into strength that we didn't know we had.

You know, in Eastern philosophy it's kind of related to like the shaman's journey, you know, the going into the dark and bringing that darkness into the light. You know.

It'S an individual journey for each one of us. So the fruitful darkness, that time of my Saturn return was definitely a time of me walking into the dark. And everybody's Saturn return is different, but mine had a lot to do with self discovery and.

Finding out who I am. And during that time a lot of the things that really inspired me and that I kind of like based my personality off of kind of fell away and without them I didn't know who I was. And I found out well, I was basing my person and all these things off of all these things. But I don't really know what I think and what I feel as an individual. And so it was very scary. It was very dark time. Oh, who am I? Like, you know, I feel like, I feel like I don't know who I am. But that question is a very important question. And that question is a question that.

We don't ask ourselves often. And it's important to go deep within ourselves and find out our essence. I personally feel like a lot of the suffering in our world today.

Disease, sickness, whatever, like this is a result of not remembering who we are and remembering where we came from and remembering our true nature. I think it's. We're separated from that universal heart that is our natural space within ourselves. So the fruitful darknesses.

My own expression of that journey.

Into myself and trying to find out in essence who I am, where am I going, where did I come from? Like this.

So beautiful. It's so beautiful. And by the way, we're gonna. I get to premiere one of Trevor's songs on this episode from the album, and your team sent me the choices. And of course, I just gravitated right toward the name Karma. I've been reading about past lives recently and I'm really into it at the moment and oh my goodness, like, from the second it hit my earbuds, I was just obsessed and it was on repeat. Yeah. And so please, everyone listening, listen to the end because we get to play it in full. But I love how what you just said of this. Well, a couple things. One, that darkness sometimes is the unknown. And as you were talking, I had the visual that sometimes, like when we enter a dark room or we turn the lights off quickly, we can't see at all. Our eyes haven't adjusted, and it's very scary. But if we could sit there and sit in the unknown, then our eyes adjust, we can realize, oh, I still see everything in the house. It's just a different color.

Yeah, that's beautiful. It's true. We push it away. But if we sit there, befriend the darkness, turn towards it and say, hey, you know, what can I learn from you? You know, what's up? What's going down?

Our eyes will adjust. Yeah, our eyes will adjust. That's beautiful.

There's a line that you share in Karma about.

Astrology being a map of your soul.

Yeah.

And I really.

Think I must have studied astrology in a past life or something because similar to you, I became fascinated by it. And for anyone who's not aware, Saturn return is when you're turning 29 to 30, but it could start as early as 27 and could go till you're 33. Certainly mine spread out. But as this phenomenon of Saturn, it has a 29 year orbital cycle and passing in your astrology. Astrology, it's hard to say astrological chart passing where it was when you were born, the moment you first breath. And Saturn is like the God Kronos about time. It's about making things real. It's about restructuring and having.

Oh, you're good. You know a lot.

Oh, yeah, well.

So.

So I have to ask you in Karma, because I heard you say on a podcast you're studying astrology too. So I'm curious to hear your journey. But you said you have three planets in fire and five in water. Is that true?

Oh, that's. Well, you picked up on it because not everybody knows what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's true. I say it in the song Three in fire, five in water.

Yeah.

Whoa. I'm all fire water. I don't really have any air or any Earth.

Can you share your sun, moon and rising?

Yeah, absolutely. But I wanted to say it's funny that you picked that song because that song is. We'll get into this, obviously, but astrology being the main inspiration behind this album and astrology being kind of the main tool that helped guide me through this difficult time. Karma was the song that I wrote after my kind of first couple readings. It was very much inspired by astrology and my chart and my person. And that's when I was really kind of opening up that door and being like, whoa, this is amazing. I'm really into this.

And what's wild is in. You can't rush your healing not to keep coming back. But you say Saturn keeps returning or Saturn is returning.

But I didn't know at that time. I didn't fully understand what Saturn return was. That's so wild. Yeah, it was almost like a forecast of what to come.

Yeah, you were on it like dove in yet. So. Yeah, continue. It's so interesting about this album being a reflection of that study.

Yeah. So I have.

Three planets in fire and five in water. So even though I'm a Sagittarius sun and Sagittarius rising and my moon is in Libra, So even though I am Sagittarius, though I have, like I said, you know, five planets in water. So it's. I almost identify more with the water part of me, you know, than the fire.

So it's interesting. It's interesting.

But you have your Libra as an air sign, so your moon.

Yeah, yeah, my moon is an air sign. Yeah. And then I only have, like, Neptune and Earth, which doesn't really count because Neptune's so, like, out there.

So I'm kind of. I'm hot and cold. I'm hot and cold for sure. You know, sometimes I'm ready to go be out and, you know, the next moment I'm reclusive and need to be alone and cleanse my, I guess, psychic field, so to say.

But, yeah, it's funny you picked up on that. I do say that in karma. 3 and 5 and 1.

Don't you find it reassuring to have this blueprint? Like, didn't. When you got your first readings, were you having the same moments I did? Like, oh, my goodness, this explains so much about who I am.

Yeah, I mean, I was, like, extremely, extremely blown away. I mean, especially since.

You know, talking about time arranging everything perfectly you know, it was after I got really sick, but I was still really struggling with my body and being on tour and energy, and it was just very, very, like, perfect timing. And it was funny because.

The way it happened, I had a friend that emailed me and said, hey, you know, I have this friend who's an astrologer and I really think that you'd like it and I want to gift you a session with her. And I was like, oh, God, I don't want to do this shit. You know, I'm a spiritual guy, but I don't like any, like, woo woo stuff, you know. And my preconception, I guess, of astrology was it's a little out there. It's like, oh, in seven years you're gonna experience a good time. I don't need to know all this. But I was like, oh, my friend, it's a gift. I don't want to be rude. I'll do it. And when the astrologer called, Deborah Silverman, she's become our godmother now. But.

She, you know, she.

Explained everything to me in such a grounded.

Practical way and really brought it into, you know. Yeah. How I act and why I act certain ways and what I need to learn from and what do I need to cultivate in this life like this. But, you know, she didn't know anything really about me, and she just blew my mind, mind out of the water. And from there, it just started. I was just like, I need to learn more about this. So I ended up taking her courses and.

Learned a lot about astrology myself. And now I do people's charts. And I love.

It's become a very, very big hobby of mine. But astrology, yeah, I mean, it was the tool to get through this time was just incredible. It was crazy.

I felt the exact same way and funny. My teacher of astrology, Jennifer Rachioppi, studies with Debra. So they're connected. Very small world. I almost started an astrology podcast at the same time as this one with Jen.

Wow.

Was doing Career Cosmos. I would look at someone's chart and try and understand their strengths that were hitting. It's just really fun. I wasn't, believe me, I felt the same as you. I was like, so skeptical. But then as I started pulling charts for almost 100 people total so far, I'd say because this is a total. It's a hobby for me. They're spot on. And I could know things about people and I could cut right to the chase of pinpointing in my line of work, what Kind of work they might want to do or what kind of projects would be the best fit.

Right.

And then there is so much healing as well. For me, so much healing happened from your music and seeing. Wow. No wonder this area of my life has felt so difficult. I have a lot of karma here where I have a thing and I'm working on it, but it's right there in the chart.

Yeah. The stars don't lie. Stars don't lie. Yeah.

One thing you mentioned that I want to ask you about. You said, you know, fire and water, you can be hot and cold, or even water is very tranquil and deep. You have this interesting line of work that I can only even relate on a fractional level. But where you're doing such. You are a spiritual person, and I would imagine listening and getting guidance is a very. The solo activity. And yet you go on tour, and I don't know how you have the energy. I know you probably get a lot of energy from the thousands of people, but how do you manage that balance, both being on tour and not on tour? And then when you're on tour, there's so much energy that you're all eyes are on you on stage. It's just a lot to hold. And I'm curious how you stay grounded and physically, well, emotionally, even spiritually, when you're on one of those big tour circuits.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, it's still. I've been doing it for, you know, I don't know, 15 years.

And I'm still learning, you know, I'm still learning what works for me and what doesn't work for me.

But, you know, being on tour is. It's. It's a rhythm. You know, there's a rhythm, and there's also a rhythm with being at home. And.

For me, it's about transitioning into that rhythm.

Because if you fight the rhythm, if you.

How to say. If you're stuck in. If, you know, if I go out on tour, but I'm stuck in the being at home rhythm.

They don't line up. It doesn't work. So part of it is just transitioning well into that rhythm, you know, because I've, you know, going out on tour, and I think you can use this for any area of your life. You know.

Sometimes, you know, I. Before I'd go, I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna be like, really good this tour. I'm gonna, like, exercise every single day, and I'm gonna, like, not watch any TV at night, so I can go to bed early. And then you get on tour and you find that those things aren't happening right and you get frustrated and then you're like, oh, it's not going like how I planned it. And then that takes energy. You're stressed of this because you're trying to hold a thing. I found that that doesn't work for me.

What works for me is going with the flow. And I think that's one of the. As cliche as it sounds, that's one of the lessons of the road. That's one of the lessons.

Of traveling and exploring is surrendering to the journey, even though I've been doing it for 15 years. Every tour is different and every tour has its highs and every tour has its challenges.

Of course there are those things that keep me that are non negotiable contract with myself. Like every morning when I wake up, no matter what, I sit. No matter what.

How long do you sit for?

It doesn't matter. It can be 10 minutes, it can be an hour depending on how much time we have. But I always get up. First thing I do, I take a shower. Even if I shower the night before, it's just a ritual. You have to have the consistency. I take a shower and I sit and I do at least, the least bit of practice I do and then continue. Right.

Those types of things I keep. And I think those things are the things that help keep me grounded. But.

Yeah, like you said, there are those nights where it's like, man, I'm just not in the mood. I'm not in the mood to be in front of a bunch of people. I'm not in the mood to like talk, you know, and. But you have to do it. You have you. And I like that about it because, you know, it's like.

It helps you be unattached to how you're feeling. You know, sometimes it's like, you know, you have to just let go and just do it. Because if you fight, if you fight it.

You know, it just, it fights back and it's just part of it. And you have to know, okay, this is this time right now I'm in. This is this type of time. I'm supposed to be out. I'm supposed to be in my fire. I'm supposed to be, you know, doing this. And the time will come for me to be in my water. But right now, spirit has me here. So be here and do it. You know, it's kind of. It helps me get into my, my north node, as they say in the astrology. Aries, you know, my warrior. I have to just do it.

Love it. What house is your north node in? Sorry, everyone.

It'S in Aries, in the fourth house, which is our emotions. It's ruled by cancer. So I'm really called to just be a warrior in my emotions and not let them take me over and.

Be direct in my emotions, too. Speak my truth and just do it, you know? So maybe Nike should sponsor me.

Just totally. Totally. Well, also, it strikes me if the fourth house is also home. It's like you're creating home wherever you go, like home on the road, because your Aries is strong. It's a leader. And you just absolutely must be good at that by now.

Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm still learning.

I love the idea of man. There's a great book that Jen told me about the four elements and astrology, and if you haven't read it, you'll love it. And you read about astrology through the lens of the four elements. Yeah. It's so wild. And I love what you're saying, even if someone listening, you don't know about astrology, to just say, embrace your fire, or you'll have time for the water, the calm. And you can even bring in these elements in a literal sense to kind of activate them.

Yeah, it's really wonderful. Deb has a book called the Missing Element, where she helps you identify what your missing element is. That's one of her main teachings in her astrology is saying, when we read charts and when you look at your person, what's your missing element? What do you need to cultivate? So it's very similar to that. She explains the four elements. Elements. And it's very fascinating. It's just so fascinating.

I don't have a lot of fire, so I'm friends with all Sagittarians.

Oh, good. Well, we're good friends.

I love Sagittarians.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'm a Libra. I'm a Libra with the Scorpio moon.

Oh, good, good.

So I have a lot of friends that have either a Libra moon, but by the time December comes, it's everybody's birthday, like, everyone in my life.

Wow, that's so funny. Yeah, that's so funny.

Yeah. I love what you said about practices. And so I'm curious how that relates to. I love what you said about hearing songs that they kind of imprint for you. Yeah. I'm curious, is that happening all the time or do you go through phases and then do you hear the melody and the lyrics? Or is it one or the other? And then you add the other piece?

Well, to answer the first part, it definitely doesn't happen all the time.

And.

And that's another lesson of patience, you know, because when I try to force it out, it just never works. You know, There can be a long period of time that goes by where I don't write anything, you know.

And then there can be a period of, like, a week where it's just, like, on fire, you know? And it's just. You have. When it comes, I just have to drop everything else and just honor it and go with it, you know? That's my duty.

And the second part, I don't really have, like, a. I guess a formula, you could say, you know, like, I don't have to be. Like. The only kind of prerequisite is I have to be alone. I have to be.

Nobody around. I have to be in either a room or the house or a hotel room or outside where it's just not even any, like, psychic interference, or else I can't really, like, concentrate.

But I can be anywhere. Like I said, it doesn't have to be. I don't have to be, like, in this gorgeous, amazing place. I can be in a Motel 6 or Holiday Inn, and the song will come through, but usually it's a melody that comes forth, and I have a little bit of synesthesia. So music and sound, and they provide color for me, and that color provides a mood. So usually the music that comes through will provide a certain color and that color, the mood. And mood obviously affects the words and.

But I try not to. It's just. It's very hard to explain. I try not to just analyze, think anything. Does this make sense? Does this not make sense? No, I just let it flow. And.

Sometimes it comes together and sometimes it doesn't. But that's just how I do it. And that's the process.

It's so special to hear you talk about that.

And the fact that you don't always know what the lyrics mean. I think that's very encouraging for any of us doing creative work that you might not know at the moment that you get the downloads what it means or what to do with it, and yet that you trust that process so completely that you capture it and work with it, and then, man, then the songs take off from there.

Yeah, I mean, that's the medicine for me, really, because it's the only thing in my life where I'm comfortable not knowing the outcome. Right. Everything else in my life, I struggle to know the answer, and it drives me crazy. And I can't surrender. But when the process happens, the musical process happens, surrender comes of its own. And I don't have to try. I don't have to force. And that's the medicine. That space is the medicine. And it's the reminder. The reminder. And it gives me a glimpse, like what we were talking about earlier. It gives me a glimpse of where I came from, and it gives me a glimpse of my own true nature. And.

That is the reminder. That's.

The medicine to help me continue when I'm outside of that space. Of course, we're always in the space, but we get clouded, right? So it's very deep. It's very deep for me. I'm a deep guy. Shoot, I wish I could be a little more shallow, but I have too much Scorpio.

I can relate. I can relate. I used to feel I was too sensitive for my own body, like, couldn't hardly handle it. And then you learn, and then it's a gift, and you can create magic, which you do.

So your music plays that healing function for me. And I honestly wish that there was more of the style of music that you create and Nako as well. Who do you. Who do you listen to? Any artists for inspiration in this realm? Like, this conscious music? Or even if not, like, who. Who inspires you? Or do you have other artists where you feel their music is very healing for you?

Yeah, I mean, 100%, you know, I mean, usually it's my friends, you know, usually I'm listening to Nako and Xavier Rudd and.

John Butler and Michael Fronte, and I'm listening to the people that.

Inspire me, but are my friends, you know, so.

We'Re. You know, it's a beautiful thing to be kind of involved.

In this kind of, like, group of.

Young musicians, I feel like, that are coming up that have this kind of conscious warriorship to them.

That when I was growing up, when I was young and I was inspired by, you know, different people, there was only a few people, but there wasn't, like, a group of people, you know, and how unique it is also that this group of people all knows each other and that they're playing together and they're hanging out together like this.

It's really uplifting, and it's really.

Exciting to see, like, where it's gonna go.

And what we're gonna do in this lifetime, you know, with. I just feel lucky to be a part of the group, you know, and it's not like a group, you know, that you have to join. That's the most beautiful thing. It's not like we have a membership and you have to like, pay. So, you know, and it's not like we even. Let's form a group, you know, it was. It was the great spirits organization, you know, and it will continue to be, you know, built and.

Going forward. It's just. Yeah, it's exciting just to see where. How. It's. How everything is going to unfold.

You know, one of my mentors, Penny Pierce, she would call it your soul group.

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely how it feels.

Yeah. You guys have come together for this shared purpose and evolution and support and community and.

Like the ripple effect that goes outward to then everyone that you interact with.

Yeah.

So incredible.

Yeah, it's. It's really quite amazing.

We're almost out of time, which is very sad. But before we preview Karma, I would love if you could just share. So the Fruitful Darkness is your first independent release, which is so exciting.

Very exciting.

Yeah.

I would love if you. For you to just tell us.

Why you chose to go independent and how we can support you, because I'm certainly happy to. And I hope everyone listening is as well. So just let us know.

Yeah, well, yeah. The Fruitful Darkness, our first independent release.

You know, I started very young in the business and signed a big record deal and kind of got the taste of what that was like. Wasn't really for me, you know. And then I signed another record deal with a more like indie label, and it was very, very beneficial for me and put out four albums on that label. But then, you know, the music industry is changing so much, and.

I really wanted to do things my own way and not have anybody else tell me, you know, I could or couldn't do that. So that was one of the reasons for going independent and also being in charge of our own.

This album is unique in the sense that it's independent, but we're releasing it in a different way. So we're releasing it in four parts, and there's about three songs per part, three to five songs per part. And I wanted to do it this way because, you know, in the past when I've made a record, you know, there's like 12, 13 songs on an album. You know, a lot of those songs get lost. A lot of people don't make it through the whole album. Or, you know, one song overshadows another song and that story just gets lost. And I didn't want that to happen.

So I wanted to take it in little bits. I wanted to make sure our listeners and everybody were able to really digest each song before moving on to the next song. And that's why we broke it up into three songs per part. Another reason is because, you know, when we release an album, like a real album, a big album, all at one time, you know.

The buzz, the hype, I guess the meditation is there for a couple months, and then we're on to the next thing. And I wanted to have a longer conversation. So that's why we spaced it out over the course of several months.

And you said on your website that you release them according to specific lunar dates.

Yeah, yeah.

How did you choose the lunar dates? Is it full moons or something else?

It's a full moon around the full moon. So the people that supported the Kickstart starter, all the songs, you know, they get the songs earlier.

And they get them all on the full moon. So we just had a full moon. Right.

I just got my new batch.

Right. So you got the new batch like this. I wanted to. I wanted it to be in line with the. I wanted the album to be in line with what inspired the album, the stars, you know, So I. It's kind of in my mind. It's paying respect to the cosmos like this. So that's why we released it according to the lunar dates, like this. So. Yeah. So anyway, the first few parts are out. There's still a couple more parts coming, and the full album will be released in the summer. But all the parts are on itunes or Spotify, Apple Music. You can check them out and rock them and spread them to the masses.

I love it. I cannot wait. And we're going to play Karma now. Is there anything else you want to share about this song or anything as people listen to it?

Well, this is one of the first songs that was written for the album, so it kind of. Even though it's not the very first song on the album, it's a song that kind of, for me, as the artist, set the theme for the album and set the intention.

Of learning about myself through the stars and navigating.

Those years, you know, by learning about my chart and what makes me me. So it's a very foundational, in my mind, it's a very foundational song for the album. So I hope that people like it.

Like I said, part of the reason I chose it, the name, the lyrics, but also your voice and the melody, the music is just exquisite.

Yeah.

I mean, exquisite.

So I'm so grateful.

Yeah.

I can't wait. I hope you all enjoy it and the lyrics will be in the show notes@pivotmethod.com podcast Trevor hall, thank you so much for being here.

Oh my God, thank you so much. I could talk to you forever.

Same and really the the thousand times bigger thank you is for being who you are for doing this work in the world and I don't have words to express my full gratitude.

Thank you so much. I'm very, very grateful myself and I hope that our relationship continues beyond this podcast.

Likewise, likewise. And now, without further ado, here's Karma from Trevor hall on his new album, the Fruitful Darkness.

Rivers and streams made of all my doubts.

Looking everywhere but they're here and now yeah.

All these storms coming back around oh yeah three and five five and water.

One like a son, one like a daughter.

Gotta break that cycle, break it strong this been going on way too long Being human so confusing Some winning sometime losing Karma you got me thinking again of all this virtue and sin that's going round and round and karma now as your cycle returns between the sky and the earth it's nice to meet you again.

Roaming through that Scorpio yeah.

Spin your mouth with everything I hold.

I better know my stars to know my soul yeah.

This current strong so I learn to roll I learn to roll Cause nothing is as it may seem don't believe everything you think when the mind is spinning what to believe Root down strong like a injury I see this is the law of creation My being is one constellation all in all it's all divination Elevating my meditation with karma you got me thinking again of all this virtue and sin that's going around and round and karma now as your cycle returns between the sky and the earth it's nice to meet you again Karma, you got me thinking again of all this virtuac that's going round and round and karma now as your cycle returns between the sky and the earth it's nice to meet you again. Come on, you got me thinking again.

Around in down in Cal now as your cycle returns between the sky and the earth it's nice to meet you again.

Go go.

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