#116 - Inside the Athlete’s Brain - Understanding Concussions and Neurofeedback with Dr. Kevin Butterfield, Part 2

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Welcome back to The Factor Podcast, where we talk about the stuff they didn't teach you in school, how to grow your practice, refine your clinical skills, and get better results for your patients. I'm your host, Jessica Riddle, and today we're diving into part 2 of our follow-up series with Dr. Kevin Butterfield, founder of Hippocampus Labs. If you remember a few weeks back, we had a great episode, episode 112, called The Future of Sports Medicine: Brain Training with Neurofeedback. And you'll remember how powerful that conversation was. It quickly became one of our most streamed episodes, and we invited Dr. Butterfield back to continue the conversation. In part 1 of this new series, episode 115, we took a closer look at what really happens inside the athlete's brain after a concussion. In today's episode, we're moving from the science to the stories. Dr. Butterfield will share some real-world case studies showing how neurofeedback and brain mapping are transforming recovery, focus, and performance for everyone from elite athletes to children with ADHD, Even patients facing cognitive decline. He'll explain how healthcare providers can use neurofeedback to bridge the gap between brain function and physical performance, treating the entire human system, not just the symptoms. Let's jump back into the conversation.

So, okay, so what we do is we offer other physicians and other practitioners on how to do what we do. If you want to include this in your practice, we'll show you how. We'll do the heavy lifting on that. We'll set up the protocols for you. We'll do all the training, marketing, advertising for 90 days. You can reach out to us that if you want to find out more about implementing this in your practice. Is it under your scope of practice? Yes, it is. I'm talking about chiropractors and anyone else out there. And the reason being is you're not diagnosing a mental health condition and you're not treating a mental health condition. You are doing peak performance brain training, which can reduce the symptoms of a mental health problem or a concussion issue. That's how you go about saying that, right? So it is in your scope. It is safe. There's no electricity going in the brain. I have a lot of case studies on my addiction to depression, to anxiety, sleep problems, learning problems. I got— I've seen it all. I've been doing this since 2003, quite a while. So, and I also had a very successful and busy chiropractic private practice. I love that. So if you want to learn how to do this or implement this in your practice, just let us know. We're glad to talk to you. The value to you obviously is it's an additional income stream. You don't need a lot of space. You don't have to go back to school. You don't have to hire any new staff. Our neuroscientists and experts are yours on your team now. We'll show you how to do it effectively. And again, this is what patients in your community right now are looking for. You have patients right now, if you have a practice, that are looking for this now. And now if you offered this to them, obviously they would say, hey, well, let's do everything in one place. One-stop shop, but we just provide the the business in a box kind of thing. Everything's all done complete. Again, we'll talk about that. You can reach out to us. Usually when we do these webinars, we offer to go to your office to talk to you more about it. I'll give you a brain map. But I think since people are all over the place, I don't know how this is going to work. But maybe I'll go do the Puerto Rico ones. So that is a special offer for you guys.

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Perfect. Thank you so much, Dr. Butterfield. We've had a few questions that have come in, and guys, if you have any other ones, please be sure to put those there into the comments section. I want to talk a little bit about how you got started in all of this. I know you have some unique connections within the neuroscience community. If you could kind of tell us a little bit about your story, obviously you've been in private practice as a chiropractor for a number of years, and then how did you really kind of discover neurofeedback and get started down this pathway?

Okay, yeah, I— my dad was a brain surgeon, so, and he was also the physician for the Detroit Tigers. I'm from the Detroit area, so he would always take me to games with him when I was a kid. But when he got that job to be the doctor for the Tigers, he was also on call. So we never got to see a home game because he always got called in for some kind of traumatic brain surgery. So he put me in the observation booth while he was doing his surgery. So I saw like 50 live brain surgeries from the age of 6 to 8. So it always fascinated me. So I'd always read his brain books that he had from college. I would always read those in the basement, trying to figure it out. I'm just fascinated. So I told him one day that I wanted to follow his footsteps, and he goes, no, you don't, because you got to cut through all the good to get to the bad. When you come back out, it's all bad. So he goes, do something natural like chiropractic, something holistic. Try to help their brains before they get in this situation or this problem— has this problem. So I did that. I was doing the chiropractic. I like— it was very busy. But when I'd adjust the parents, the kids were always standing in the corner. And they had this blank stare on their face. And I said, man, well, I don't know what's going on with these kids. So I wanted to get down on my knees, look in their eyes and say, I know you're in there. I'm going to come get you out of there. And I guess it was all these at the time ADHD drugs. Some of them were on depression or antidepressant drugs at that age. So I looked and researched what actually works, what is out there that has research back, FDA approved, all this other stuff that is working for these people. And it was this neurofeedback. I couldn't just stop there because there's a lot of different kinds of neurofeedback. I want to get the most advanced, the most high-tech stuff I could. So I went and did— I researched for 5, 6 years on what's the best thing that works. So what we do, there's 300 people in the world probably that do it at our level. And I've always been a race fan. So I have some racing patents and Formula One is using over in Europe now, and IndyCar is using now. But I would always go to the races and I do peak performance brain training on professional race car drivers. And just before a race, IndyCar wanted me to do a study. So let's see how your stuff helps these race drivers, right? So I went on, got this $100,000 racing simulator on loan in my office. And I had these drivers from go-karts up to Formula 2 drivers come in. I said, drive 30 minutes on your track, you know best. And they had the cap on their head. And then I said, okay, after they did that, we had all the data on the timing laps and everything. I said, I'm gonna do 30-minute peak performance brain training on you. And I did that. And they said, okay, now go back and do 30 minutes again. Everyone's time improved. Everyone's times got closer together. They could brake later into the corner, accelerate quicker getting out of it, which they couldn't do before the first 30 minutes. So this considerably got the static out of their brain so they can focus. That's why this is good to do on athletes, concussion or not. I mean, they're going to be a better athlete. You can get their brain in the zone better. So that was a, a big eye-opener for me and why that teams will fly me out to a track and say, this guy's not On his game, driver's not. Let's do some training. So we do do the training and get him back in there. I mean, one person couldn't qualify for a major race in IndyCar. He couldn't qualify. So they called me into the hospitality suite and goes, hook this driver up, do your thing. So I did it, and after that he could qualify. He qualified for the race. So if that's good enough for these pro athletes, it's good enough for Timmy with ADHD, or he's on the spectrum, or a mom that's got addiction problems or whatever. I mean, there's a high-functioning brain, no matter what the brain is attached to, is needed, whether it be a pro athlete or a young kid who's struggling. So that's—

Thank you for that. Totally. That's a fascinating story and kind of an interesting journey that you've had there for sure. One of our attendees was asking what ages can typically benefit from neurofeedback. Is there like a specific sweet spot in terms of age, or have you seen it really impact people?

Well, I mean, I've seen them as low as 3. I've treated them as low as 3 and up to 95. I mean, it's good for cognitive decline and Alzheimer's, so they— elderly population, I've seen a lot of those. But again, the neuroplasticity plays an effect with Alzheimer's and dementia. So, excuse me, when you train those guys and you ask them how they're doing, they say, I know better, no better. But you ask the family, they say, oh, it's like day and night. They know where the keys are. They know where they walk in the kitchen. So less than 3, no. Because if you're doing a brain map, it's got to compare it to a normal brain database and they have them as low as 3. And if they're 2, they get squirmy. They're not going to leave anything on their head.

When it comes to utilizing this technology with children, do you have, I'm sure you have a bit of a different approach than you do with adults. How do you have that conversation with little ones so that they aren't scared by The cap?

Well, usually they're not scared. I mean, if they are scared, I give them one of the hats with sensors on it, let them take it home, just play around with it. Have mom put it on, dad put it on, let me put it on, and the kid put it on. I usually don't have— I mean, I guess I, I did see someone as young as 3, but I mean, I— 4 or 5, they know better to sit still and just— their parents bribe them with a gift or something. They usually sit still, put the cap on. I don't say problems or symptoms it could have with obviously a kid or a 10-year-old or 12-year-old. I don't say anything like that. Oh yeah, we're treating you for your PTSD or your depression. I don't say that because obviously we didn't diagnose that, but you have a great brain. We're just going to make it better. That's what I say to them so they're not as scared. I tell them there's no electricity going in because there's not. That's pretty much what I tell them.

Now on your initial visit with a patient, with a new patient that comes into your office, do you have a specific protocol or do you have specific questionnaires that you have them fill out on their first visit so you get a good profile?

Yeah, it's almost standard, like new patient intake form. What 3 conditions you want treated the most? That's what we look at. I mean, they're gonna put that down like ADHD, anxiety, sleep. So we know where to better focus, but the brain map guides us where we have to administer the training, right? So we— everyone's different. Everyone's brain map's the same. The sensors are on the head and 9— break it down into 9 frequencies and stuff like that. All the brain maps are the same, but after that, we have to scour through all those 300 pages, set up a protocol. for the patient. And that's what's good about if someone uses it in their office, we just, again, in the provided laptop, we go in there and upload the protocol so they don't have to learn how to do all these protocols. So they're all set and ready to go. So everyone's different.

So walk us through the report that they receive. I know you had some screenshots here on some of the slides that talked a little bit and kind of gave a snapshot of the report that both the provider will receive and that they can then provide to the patient. What was fascinating for me when I received mine was just kind of looking at, number one, it's always interesting to see a picture of your brain, but then also it really drills down to specific symptoms that a patient might be having due to whatever is going on in that specific area of the brain. And what was fascinating too is there's even links to research from what I understand that kind of speak to those little blue links there at the bottom of the screen for those of you that are watching. I'm just gonna come circle this. So on that report there, there's these links in the bottom, and those actually link out to— is that like a specific database when it comes to segments of the brain?

Yeah, it's a Wikipedia. The first link is Wikipedia. It tells you everything that Brodmann area does in your brain, everything that lobe does in your brain, right? And if you click on the one below it, it gives you every PubMed study ever done on the brain in that region. So it's very— I mean, it depends on how deep you want to get in the weeds. You can go real deep.

It's very fascinating though. Now, I know sometimes too, giving patients a little too much information can be overwhelming for them. They may start going to Dr. Google and trying to self-diagnose themselves with a lot of things. How do you typically present this to patients after they've had their initial scan so that they feel comfortable with the protocol that you've planned for them, but then also aren't overwhelmed with too much information.

Okay, so the 300— 300-odd pages, yeah, no, I'm not going to go over all that stuff. I mean, they can have it, look at it, but this is a summary, this sheet right here, and there's 3 pages of this because this lists out all the different brainwave frequencies themselves and what they're doing. In the brain, where it's too hot, where it's too cold. So I go over these three pages because it's very simple to understand. The patient says, "Okay, I see the crosshairs. I see where the problem is," and that those crosshairs are what? This brain area? Yes. And that brain area, the function is this, right? And it could lead to symptoms like this. So I go over this with the patient. It's very easy to explain that to them. And then I go over the concussion report. But only these last two pages, right? We go through the forty-five, and I tell them what are the chances that all the stuff above this could be related to a concussion signature that is not cleared out. And then I show them this page and this page. They understand that. And then I show them overall how your brain is functioning. I show them this, just this page out of the three hundred, just so they understand it because I don't want I don't want to lose them. I know all the big $10 words, but I'm not going to say them all because that goes way over their head and they just get lost. So this they understand as well. Okay, this line means your brain shares information. I'm not sharing enough in my networks and I'm doing it very fast. I get that. These should all be gray. It's a color thing. The blue, blue can represent a neuroinflammation. So they get that. So they get a pretty clear picture after just going over those pages I just showed you.

That's really interesting. And I think too, from a healthcare provider standpoint and as a practitioner, I'm sure anything you have that gives you some quantitative data, something that is visual, something that says, okay, here's what we need to focus on, is incredibly important. How often have you been surprised, or how often, I guess I should say, has the patient been surprised by what comes out in these reports? Do you often find that people have had some type of TBI that they aren't aware of?

Yes, absolutely. Or you show them, you ask them if they had a TBI or concussion, they always say no. And I said, well, this one says you have a severe one. They go, no, no, that thing's wrong. I never had one. So they can have like a eureka moment. They'll come back a week later and say, oh yeah, my brother hit me with a 9-iron on my forehead when I was a kid. Could that do it? Well, yeah, I think it could do it. So I mean, it's stuff like that. I mean, you see those things, but the way we train the brain is we do the initial brain map, then you go 10 sessions, then we do another brain map. The first 10 sessions is to get your brain talking better to itself— front, left, back, and right, front, you know what I mean? All areas of the brain. Then we do a brain map again at 10 sessions, and then it shows a different set of targets. The second brain map's never going to look like the first because we're starting to clear it up. So the second 10 sessions, we get all this stuff down here—the coherence, the phase lag, amplitude—we do all this training to balance this stuff out. Then we do another brain map at the 20th session, and the last 10 is to balance the autonomic nervous system. But I've had people that that came in to me; she didn't tell me what her problem was, and I said, "Okay, you don't have to tell me. I know where your brain is today. I know where it's got to be tomorrow." We don't have to go backwards and figure out what got you here. But she came in dressed nice, but she had 3 guys in suits with them— with her that came in the room and sat down as I was explaining these report of findings, right? So I explained to her everything that was going on with the brain. She didn't answer anything. I started training her with the protocols based on what her brain was telling us to treat— train. So we went in that. And she came in a week later and said, well, my problem was I could never sleep. The last 20 years, I'd go to bed at midnight, wake up at 12:31, stay up till 4:31, and go back to sleep again. So after her third session, she was sleeping 8 hours a night. She'd wake up and see the clock was 12:01, but go right back to bed. So it's stuff like that. I've had people that had bad addiction problems. Substance abuse problems. I mean, statistically, if you go to inpatient or outpatient for addictions, there's a 7% success rate or 6% success rate, but you got to go back 7 times. This has over an 85% success rate with the protocols that we have for addictions. So the biggest one I had was a nurse, super smart. Her son was being treated by me, trained by me. They can help my mom. I said, why? What's wrong with your mom? So he showed me a picture and she was laying down on the bottom of the stairs holding a can of computer duster spray stuff. So what's that? Did she fall while she was cleaning or what? So he said, no, she actually was on a lupus drug her medical doctor put her on, but he wanted to take her off of that because she said it was addictive. Now, when these brain maps, when you look at them, you can see the gate of addiction in there. So it's either there's too much electrical activity by the addiction gate. So that'd be kind of— we had to close the gate, right? So if there's too much electrical activity there, that's trying to close your screen door during a tornado. That's not going to happen. Or if it is too little electrical activity, there's not enough power to shut the door to make it latch. So we got on her. I asked her, I said, how many of these cans do you do a day? She goes, oh, 30 to 40 a day. And I said, well, wow. I said, well, first of all, how come your brain's not mush? And where do you get all these cans at? She goes, I go to Walmart, get 10. I go to Staples, get 10. And I said, then what do you do? And she goes, I sit in the parking lot and huff them all until I pass out, wake up, do another one. So that was a tough case. I saw her twice a day for over a month, but she's, she's fine today. So because we could shut the gate of addiction, and if you leave it open, You're not shoving like a drug through there to get buzzed or high or whatever. You're shoving a drug through there so you can get through the day. So yeah, she's good today. So I saw a lot of stuff that I wouldn't, wouldn't expect like that to be able to treat those people that were— I had a kid that couldn't get in the stress center. He was 12. I saw him at 2 o'clock on a Tuesday morning. A friend of mine who was being trained, his friend's son who He was suicidal. So he comes in and he goes, hey, can you help my son? I said, well, I don't know, let's try. So you could tell he was super sad, super depressed. But he goes, I told this kid, I said, look, you got a great brain. It's probably having a battle within itself that you can't referee out of it. I said, well, I'm going to referee out of it. And I'm going to tell you the dumbest thing you ever heard in your life. I'm going to put these headphones on and this cap on your head with sensors on it. And I'm going to pull you back from the edge because that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. I said, well, I just told you that. So yeah, stuff like that. And you can see the shoulders drop and just relaxing. And once you get the brain out of that fight or flight thing, it's a, it's an amazing thing what your body can do. And a lot of military stuff like that with PTSD, you see that all the time, every day, but you name the condition, I've probably seen it.

Wow. That's, that's fascinating. And I think this really gives hope for a lot of people who maybe have tried everything. When it comes to those patients that you've seen that are athletes or are people that are still in that acute phase after a head injury, what do you typically recommend in terms of when you would start the brain training after that concussion has occurred?

Well, I mean, usually you won't see them after that. I mean, right away, unless you know what I'm doing. I'm usually, if it's youth sports, gotta go to the hospital, get MRI, CAT scan, comes back normal. Um, I recommend that a week after a concussion, come see me. That gives time for the inflammation to subside to a certain extent so I can get in there and see what's going on.

Okay, that makes sense. So essentially you would want them to get out of that initial acute phase of the inflammation before they would come and begin brain training?

Correct. But hopefully you get supplements right after the impact to work on the gut and stuff like that and the neural inflammation. Yes. But usually they don't know about that. So when I see them, it's like a week after their concussion, it didn't do anything. So I gotta start do both at once.

And again, I know you had a slide about that. Which of those supplements do you recommend to kind of help in that acute phase? Do you have many people that do come to you maybe as referrals from past patients or whatnot that they say, hey, my, my child had a concussion or whatnot, and they— do you have a lot of people try to come in directly after that event has happened or car accidents?

Yeah, I mean, you see car accidents come in, but again, I, I'm backing away from the day-to-day office stuff and I'm doing more of let me help other practitioners around the country do what I do because I can't, I can't save the world in 1,200 square feet in Indianapolis, you know what I mean? I got to get out there and help as many people as I can. So I don't see any many day-to-days. The pro racers, if they want to call or take me out to a track, or some of the other pro athletes know how to get a hold of me. And they need a boost or they need some peak performance stuff, I'll do that.

So for your peak performance clients and for those patients that do have completed their first protocol and essentially have completed the brain training at that level, is that something to where they will come in again in the future if something changes, or is there a need for them to come in after they've completed that initial full protocol of sessions for future peak performance? I guess the question is like, is there elevated levels or any type of maintenance they would do with it?

Yeah, I mean, we have people that do maintenance levels. Like the athletes come in before a race or before a game just to get in the zone, to clear up their, their mind. If they get in an accident, of course they have to come back in. They don't got to start all over because we already did so much work to it to get another brain map. See what's going on. Students come in before school starts, like university kids come in before school starts, before a test. Come in once every other month for maintenance.

Absolutely. And talk to us a little bit more about the actual equipment that is involved. I know you had some pictures there of the, the, I guess, the headset that's worn. The interesting thing is every time I've heard about or seen any type of headsets like that worn, there's usually like a lot of gel involved. It's always, especially as a female, kind of a fear of, is my hair gonna get messed up? What does this look like in this system?

Yeah, we used to do that, and most people that do the neurofeedback still do that. They put on like a swim cap on your head, and there's 19 holes in that cap, and they squirt gel and paste in there. So your hair is a mess. Yeah, it's just not— I didn't like it at all. So we use more of the high-tech stuff in our package. We get pieces from all over the world, so we put together the best pieces out there. So they have a wet setup, which is that you just described, a semi-wet setup, which is just sponges with saline on them, and then they have a dry set, which is no wet or no saline or anything, but Those are usually not as accurate, and they they don't come without issues. That's for sure. The wireless stuff I'm talking about. Yeah, there's the hat. There's the cap on somebody. You don't have to shave your head to make it work, but this one this is what it looks like.

So we don't have to look like the person as if no no no no in order for it to work properly. Yeah, I believe it's just water when when I had mine done.

You just a little bit of water. Yeah. Yes.

But the other question that came in was regarding the protocols that are offered as part of this. I know you mentioned that once they get this report and once the provider gets this gigantic report, it's about 300 pages. There's a lot of information. What type of protocols do your team provide for patients so that each person does get a custom treatment?

Okay. So, so again, if you got the, The package that we offer, and you have the equipment. We would teach you how to do the brain map. You upload the brain map. We know when the brain map is done. We analyze it. All our professionals do all three hundred pages. That's the only one that needs to look at three hundred pages. And then we come up with a protocol what that patient needs, right? So then we go back into the laptop that's provided with the equipment. Upload their protocols. So the, the staff member at that office just has to have the, the patient come in, sit down in a comfortable chair, put the cap on, find their file on the laptop, set up the cap, and just hit go because the protocol is already in there. So that's what I'm saying, we do all that heavy lifting, that part. So it's, it's like unattended therapy. So you're not going to take one of your employees away to sit in there with them for 20 minutes. But yeah, that's— it's easy peasy, as they say.

And talk to us a little bit about kind of the depth of your quote-unquote bench when it comes to your team that analyzes this material. You have some very high-level scientists, practitioners.

Yeah, we got diplomats. Yeah, yeah, yes, diplomats in, uh, qEEG brain mapping. We got protocol developers of 40 years, and we got people that wrote software. They added our software. I mean, there's a lot of different levels of expertise, probably 150 years of all the top, top hitters in the world, not just in America. I mean, these in the world are on our team. So they've essentially rolled over to your team because we're doing all the protocols for you. So it's like the best person in the world is setting up your protocols for you. I'm not saying I'm the best person in the world. I mean, our team. Right.

But no, it's fascinating. I think the number of kind of the neuroscience that goes into this and who's looking at that information. I did have one here that I thought was, was kind of interesting. Someone was asking a little bit about the application of this technology for those that have dementia, that have Alzheimer's, and that elderly population that's losing some of the cognitive function. What does that— timeline look like usually for the family members, the close caretakers, to start noticing a difference? And what do you find is kind of the first things that start to come back online, so to speak?

That is a great question. Well, again, it's not gonna stop progression of it. It's gonna— I mean, it could stop it or slow it. It's not gonna reverse it is what I meant. But the first thing that they notice is Their sleep patterns. Again, it varies between person to person. They remember why their keys— where the keys are. It's just the general more, more cognitive of things. So that's pretty much what they see.

Absolutely. And any success stories that you'd want to share to kind of leave us on a high note when it comes to these special patients that might have some of this cognitive decline? Any Recent cases that come to mind where they really started seeing an improvement and family members said, wow, we, we have a little bit more time?

Yeah, spectrum kids. I mean, are you talking any, any case?

Absolutely.

No, I mean, I had a spectrum kid, Johnny. He was 10— no, he was 6. He couldn't speak English. His parents couldn't speak English. So they were at a cancer center. I was working upstairs of this cancer center. And they asked me if I could see him, and I said, sure, I'll see him. Can you help him? I said, I don't know. That's what I tell everyone. Let's try it. So I heard a big ruckus or something broke downstairs. So I ran downstairs at the office and said, is Johnny here? And they go, oh yeah, he just knocked our TV off the waiting room wall. Yeah. And I said, well, let me go upstairs and bolt up— bolt down my stuff first, and then I'll see him. So I couldn't see him walking down the hallway. Because he was a runner. His whole family was surrounding him, and, and he sat on his mom's lap. And I said, I'm not putting headphones on him because it'll throw him off. Let's put him in front of the TV, turn the volume up real loud. And his mom said, or the doctor downstairs said, he's like on jet fuel from 1 AM till 1 AM. He's like, you could never— could sleep, always running around. Had to lock the doors and put— lock him like in a cage or whatever. Totally on the spectrum. Real bad. So I couldn't see him. He sat on his mom's lap. He got 10 minutes into it and he started crying and ripping the sensors off. And not because he was angry, it's because he wanted to put his head down on his mom's shoulder to fall asleep, which he never did. That's like because we calmed his brain down enough. And then jumped off his mom's lap, went up to me like this, and said, high five, all done. I didn't teach him English, but he did that to me. He went to the nurse and did the same thing. And then he started walking towards the door, and the family quickly surrounded him. You see his hand stick through to turn the light switch on. That's all he wanted to do. He didn't run anymore. So it's stuff like that that makes me sleep well at night. You're changing someone's life that drastically, and it happens all the time, every day, concussion or not.

That's absolutely amazing. And I think too, like, for so many of the providers that we have that are listening in right now, so many that we touch around the globe, and of course the students that are studying to become providers, Many of you have a higher purpose and a reason that you do what you do. You want to help people, you want to help heal them in, in whatever means you can. And I think having as many tools in your tool belt as possible to do that is certainly something of benefit. So I'm excited to kind of introduce this technology to our provider network because personally, I was fascinated when I got my report and just learning more about Some of the things that maybe I had noticed, maybe some things that I hadn't, or things to kind of keep an eye out for. Again, guys, if you are interested in learning more about Hippocampus Labs and what Dr. Butterfield and his team do, I'm going to put some information there in the chat for you. I have an email address here that we can share to a member of their team, and they can certainly chat with you more about this technology. And where you can kind of learn more about this. I also have, let's see, we have a little form here that we'll put in the chat as well. And again, this is just if you're interested in learning more about neurofeedback and this technology and how it can potentially benefit your patients and be added to your treatment toolkit. Thank you again so much, Dr. Butterfield. We really appreciate your time today.

Oh, thank you so much. Thank you very much.

That wraps up part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Kevin Butterfield, a continuation of one of our most popular Factor episodes of the year. Here are a few final takeaways from today's episode. We learned that the brain's electrical patterns can be retrained. unlocking new levels of recovery and focus. We also talked about the fact that neurofeedback isn't just for athletes. It's showing incredible results for patients with ADHD, PTSD, and cognitive decline. And we also learned that when we train the brain as intentionally as we train the body, the results can truly be transformative. If you'd like to connect with Dr. Butterfield or learn more about implementing neurofeedback in your practice, Visit hippocampuslabs.com. You'll find that link and other resources in the show notes. And don't forget to register and join us for our next Factor Free Masterclass coming up November 18th at 1:00 PM Central, 2:00 PM Eastern. We'll be featuring guest instructor Matthew McKay for part 2 in his Durability Over Dominance series. Be sure to click the link in the show notes to join us live or request the replay link after the live broadcast. And as always, you can find all of our upcoming courses, free trainings, and products at factor-store.com. That's F-A-K-T-R-store.com. And be sure to subscribe to our podcast so you never miss a future episode. Thanks for tuning in, and until next time, keep learning, keep innovating, and keep pushing human performance forward. We'll see you next time. Hey guys, if you like what you heard today, I encourage you to visit our website at factor-store.com. That's spelled F-A-K-T-R hyphen store dot com to find out more information about all that we have to offer. We have a variety of online offerings as well as our hands-on Factor Rehab System course scheduled in cities around the globe. Be sure to also check out our event calendar and bookmark any of these upcoming live webinar dates coming up in the near future so you can join us live. And of course, the biggest compliment we can receive is for you to help us spread. Spread the word to your friends, colleagues, and classmates. You'll find all the important links as well as info about our sponsors in the show notes, so be sure to check those out.