A New Era in Early Breast Cancer Detection with Dr. Veronique Desaulniers

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. This show is about you, not about me. I want to help you find practical, real world ways to dial in your health and mindset so you can finally lose that weight and feel strong and energized. Stop settling for less than your personal best. It's time to find out how to look and feel better than any ever. And I'll be right here with you the whole way. Hey, it's JJ and in today's show we're going to be talking about breast cancer. We're going to talk about early detection, breast self exams, some of the triggers for breast cancer. And I have the ultimate guest to walk through this. So if you have either been diagnosed or this is something that you're concerned about, which if you're a woman I would imagine, imagine this is something that's always kind of in the back of your mind of something scary out there. This episode today is for you and what I think will accomplish here today is we will make this a lot less of a scary thing and you'll be able to really, really see how breast self exam is so key critical here and that it's that we've been taught it how to do it wrong if we've been taught at all. So really, really vitally important information in today's episode. I also recommend that you share this one, you know, with any of your friends out there, daughters out there, et cetera. My guest, Dr. Veronique Desalier is really on a mission to get early detection out there and I'm going to do everything I can to help her because she and she'll tell you her story here pretty quick how she into all of this but she is a breast cancer survivor and she created a system out of that. She actually has an a amazing book that has been a number one Amazon bestseller in 10 different categories. Heal breast cancer naturally. It's in five different countries. Out of that, she's created the seven essential system. And she has managed to get through breast cancer successfully now, not once, but twice by using the signature process. And she has also helped thousands of women across 43 countries with this. And one of the key things here again is early detection. So super important that you learn this information today and you'll learn how simply to be able to get into early detection. Dr. Veronique, welcome to the show. I'm so excited to have you here today.

Thank you, jj. It's an honor where we've got a lot of great things to talk about.

Yes, we do. This is a huge, huge topic. I am so thrilled to have you on to talk about it. So, you know, again, we are talking about breast cancer and early detection and breast self exams today. And you really are the perfect person to be talking about all of this because of your health journey. So let's start there. How you got interested and how you became the breast cancer conqueror. How about that?

Yeah, not by choice. It's one of those things, you know, our pain becomes our purpose, I guess. So I'd been in practice for about 25 years and I was getting ready for work, jumped in the shower and was doing a breast self exam in the shower and bam, you know, felt that lump that changed the course of my life, professionally and personally, you know, forever. And as I went through my first healing journey in 2004 through 2006, you know, the big question was, you know, how could something like this happen to me? You know, I thought I was doing everything right. I ate organic before organic was in style, breastfed my kids, you know, did everything right. But here I was facing a cancer journey and so I had to really ask myself, you know, what were the pieces of the puzzle that I was missing? So I, you know, I dove into research and started looking at things and it was really, honestly was quite overwhelming for me, you know, even if I had, you know, you know, professional experience after being in practice for 25 years. So, you know, I had to really ask myself, you know, if I'm feeling this way, you know, how much more so with the average woman who's facing a cancer journey. So I created a system that would simplify everything. You know, you look at an elephant, you know, how do you eat it one bite at a time? So that's what I did is I broken everything down into a seven step process called the seven essential System which brings you through step by step through the journey. So it really, you know, makes it easy for you to, you know, check off the boxes and say, okay, I'm doing this, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. And fast forward several years, you know, nine years later, I started, I had started sharing my healing journey online, became known as the breast cancer conqueror. Five years into that same situation, I wasn't feeling well, I had pain in my left breast. And bam. You know, again, there it was, same spot, you know, it's like, oh, I.

Didn'T realize it was the same spot. My goodness.

Yeah, same spot, same area. And you know, so this time I was even more devastated because here I was, the breast cancer conqueror. And all these women were relying on me in my teachings and, you know, encouraging them that they can do it. And yet I was facing cancer again. So it was really kind of a dark moment of the soul for me. I had to really face my demons and say, okay, am I a fraud? Is this really working? You know, what, what did I miss? So I just, you know, I had to say, it's okay, you know, you're human. Look at what you, look at what you missed. You know, I was working from sun up to sundown. I was doing one on one coaching, which, you know, was absorbing all that cancer energy, breast cancer energy. And I just realized I had to pull back and take care of myself, draw boundaries, learn to say no, manage my stress and look at the things that created the perfect storm for me to develop cancer again.

Wow. And that actually when you really look at these things, first of all, creating the seven step system in the first place, when people are faced, they're so afraid, they're looking for answers and they're overwhelmed, was just fantastic. So that people know exactly what they need to do, go on that path. But also to show that if it does happen again, you know, here's what you need to do. And that if you aren't practicing these things like you, you mentioned, okay, so I started letting things slip. I let the boundaries slip. I started overworking. You know, the things that we kind of know we're not supposed to do. But you, because of early detection, you were able to take a wake up call and put it to use, which is part of that story, is this ability to do breast self exams is early detection. And you know, I mean, we all as women have been told to do breast self exams. I've never actually been taught how to do one. We're given the little shower card. Right, Right. And, you know, it's something that prior to, prior to your new My Breast Friend, which I'm like beyond excited about, I think this is going to change the course of health for women worldwide. Like, talk about making an impact in lib, leaving a legacy. But let's dig into this because I'm one of those people like, you know, I never learned how to do it correctly. I never really paid any attention to it. I figured it's something you worry about later, you know, and you get a mammogram. And so why is it that for so many of us women, it's just not something that we do even though we know how important it is?

Well, you know, first of all, you mentioned, you know, we've never really been taught the importance of it. You know, you're given that little pamphlet, stick it in the shower, put it by your bedside, but nobody's ever showed us how to do a proper breast health exam. And, you know, even if you do your yearly mammograms or thermograms and ultrasounds, it's so important for you to understand that there's a lot of things that can change from year one to year two, right? There's still 364 days of the year where your breast tissue can change. And you know, there's actually a term called interval cancers, where these cancers that develop in between those yearly cells screenings are much more aggressive because they start developing so rapidly. So this whole thing about My Breast Friend is about empowering women to be in charge of their body. You know, your doctor's going to feel your breasts once a year. You get to feel them, you know, every day if you want to, you know, so it's important to understand what is involved in a breast self exam.

So do you think, I mean, is some of the reason women aren't doing this regularly? Is it either A, it's sort of like flossing, you just sort of forget, or is it maybe it's a little denial? Scary. Like, why is it that we're not. I mean, besides the fact of never even really being taught correctly, you know, why are we not doing it?

Because women are in denial. That's. That's what I hear most of the time. You know, I don't know what I'm feeling, and if I feel something, I'm going to freak out, right? And so, you know, it's a matter of knowing the geography and the feel of your breast tissue, because every woman's going to be different and learning to detect something that's Unusual. That's not always there. That's the big key and that's what this whole training system does for you is it teaches you to understand what normal breast tissue feels like and what your normal breast tissue feels like and then what an actual lump may feel like. And you learn that by using the breast model. Because the breast model to silicone breast model that was developed with the grants from National Cancer Institute and the National Science Foundation. And this model, silicone breast model is so lifelike that it's been used to calibrate imaging machines.

And so God, wouldn't it be great, Veronique, if this is like in high school? Yeah, this was part of high school education. Like you know, just like when you go to the dentist and I actually had my first dentist teach me how to floss a couple of years ago. I thought this is just ridiculous. Like why weren't we taught to floss? And like, I mean I was flossing, but he's like, you're not flossing, right? And I'm like what do you mean not flossing? Right. You know, you know, like why aren't we in high school or junior high or elementary school taught these things that are like the life changing things. And you know, I know that I've done like random breast self exams on myself and sometimes felt things and not known it. Well, is this something? Is this not something? I'm like, you know, again, how would you know? So yeah, let's talk about this. And I'm literally have one right down here in my hand, I'm pulling it out. So let's talk about the my breast friend. And but before that let's just give a little bit more validity as to why, you know, if someone is just waiting and they're doing their annual exam, whether it's thermography or mammography or ultrasound or whatever they're doing, why is it so critical to do this in between beyond those you talked about the cancers that could come jump in between. But you know, what are the stats for breast self exam and finding cancers?

Women are very, very surprised when I pull out these numbers. So there was a 23 year old study done on I forget how many hundreds of women. It was over 300 women and they found that mammograms detected breast tumors 43% of the time that a breast self exam and I just accidentally happened to find it type of exam was 43%. And then when you add clinical breast exam on top of that, you know, your doctor, your nurse is feeling your breast, it adds up to 56%. So touch is actually more, you know, is more perceptive and more accurate than a literal machine. The ethanmogram, 56% compared to 43%. And then when you add the issues with dense breast tissue, you know, Joan London, you know, really made dense breast tissue popular because she had a mammogram. Everything was clear on the mammogram, but came to find out with an ultrasound she had, you know, she had triple negative breast cancer. So, so important to understand that touch. You know, once you train your fingers and your brain to understand the difference between normal breast tissue and a suspicious lump and you can feel them in that silicone breast model that, you know, these lumps can hide in different areas and even as deep as the chest wall. So there's a whole method to doing a breast exam. It's not just feeling around, but we teach you how to do this properly.

So let's talk through it then.

And we will, in the show notes we are going to include this so you can see this. And I think you've got a video about it as well, right?

Yeah.

And instruction, you're going to get that. You're going to get the My Breast Friend ebook so you'll get all of this. So if you're having trouble visualizing it, it sort of looks like a breast implant that I'm looking at right now.

Right.

It's very, very pretty.

Yeah. So it's purple. Don't think probably breast implants are purple. I don't know, but it's purple and it's got some lumpies in it and which is a little scary, I must admit. When I first looked at them like, you know, so, so walk us through this training system and how it should be used, what people need to do with it.

So half of the model feels like regular breast tissue. It's very nodular. The other half is very smooth. So that teaches you the difference between what's not normal breast tissue and what normal is the nodular. There's three main components to a proper breast self examination. The first thing is you have to learn what to feel for. And that's what the model teaches you because there's four lumps, different sizes and different locations. And as you watch the instructional video when you purchase the model, then it teaches you how to do that. The second aspect is, you know, what to feel for or where and how deep to feel. Excuse me. So you have to use light, medium and deep pressure all the way down to the chest wall. And the third is where to feel. You know, some women think, well, as long as I palpate my breasts, I'm okay. But tumors can hide in the armpit as high up as the collarbone, the chest wall, you know, the sternum. So you have to follow the specific grid method that we teach you to cover all of that breast tissue. And you don't do it in the shower standing up. You have to do it laying down and at a 45 degree angle. So there's two aspects of to it, but the whole training system walks you through it. And once you learn that, you know, the first time it takes you maybe 15, 20 minutes to do the training. But once you do that, it literally takes you five minutes after that. And I recommend that women do this every couple of weeks. Wake up in the morning, you check your breasts while you're laying in bed, or before you go to bed at night. It doesn't take long once you know the system.

So you just got to put it in your calendar. That's right, because that's what I literally look at. I look at the things that I have to do that I have to do. Like every couple of weeks, they just need to go in the calendar and then I get pinged about them and. And that's it. And what's fantastic about this is there's no side effects. I didn't have to drive somewhere. It didn't cost me a lot of money.

Right.

So my breast friend system costs probably less than the copay on a mammogram or thermography or anything else.

So that's right.

So let's talk about this. And you know, breast cancer survival rates, you get this, My breast friend. And it teaches you how to look for these things. And before I go there, actually. So it's teaching you. What does it talk about? What to do if you have implants.

Same process. It's still learning, you know, whether you've had a lumpectomy, mastectomy, implants, it's still the same process. You have to learn what your normal breast tissue is versus what is not normal. And you know, just a side note, as far as mastectomy, women think, oh, well, there's no more breast tissue. Oftentimes lumps will reappear in the incision area, so. Or in the axle and the armpit. So you still have to practice that exam even if you've had a mastectomy.

Wow.

Yeah.

Okay, so you. Let's go back to the other part. So let's say that you notice something. Let's talk about early detection, because One of my very close girlfriends is a top notch radiologist and what she always told me was the biggest thing with breast cancer is early detection.

Yes. Size matters. Size matters when it comes to survival. The average size lump that is found by somebody who's not trained in a proper breast self exam is the size of a ping pong ball, you know, four to five. Yes.

How could you be walking around with a ping pong ball size lump and not know it?

You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. You know, they just, it may be it's deep in the breast or they just happen to notice something different in the mirror. It happens all the time.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

And once someone is trained in the proper method, you know, the mammicare method, which is now my breast friend, they can find something as small as a p, just half, you know, 0.5 centimeters. So that's a huge difference. And statistically, if you find a tumor that's a centimeter or less and it's addressed, you know, quickly, the survival rate is 15 years and 88%. And so, you know, the numbers go up. The smaller the tumor once it's found, then the higher the survival rates and the longer the life expectancy.

Well, when they say those survival rates, at what point after you've had cancer, does your chance of a reoccurrence go down to close to zero?

Well, traditional medicine uses the five year mark, but that's not very accurate because you could be half dead on, you know, the day before five years and they still count it as survival. But you know, really when it comes to survival rates and you know, recurrence, my attitude is, you know, just be very diligent all the time. If you've had breast cancer or any type of cancer once, you've got to maintain your lifestyle so that you do everything you can so to, you know, to prevent that from happening again because, you know, your body has dealt with cancer, it's kind of in the memory. Right. Cellular memory. So you have to really stay on top of everything and use tools. You know, essential Number seven is all about embracing very early detection. And that's everything from tests inside traditional medicine to tests outside of traditional medicine. You know, various blood tests that can detect DNA, you know, cancer DNA in the blood or cancer proteins in the blood, you know, thermography, ultrasound, you know, everything that's out there.

So what are the statistics right now for women? I know that heart disease is our number one is breast cancer.

Number two, Breast cancer is, yes, the second leading cause of Death in women. And unfortunately, it's not so much from the cancer itself. Oftentimes it's as a result of, you know, very aggressive treatments. Or on the flip side, you know, they've avoided it and they found it too late. You know, unfortunately, sometimes we hear their stories. You know, they go to the doctor and they're already stage three or stage four, and, you know, there's just not enough time to get on top of it.

So what are some of the risk factors for, you know, someone being more likely to be at risk for breast cancer?

There's a lot of triggers. As a matter of fact, in the updated edition of my new book, Heal Breast Cancer Naturally, I talk about the seven triggers. The triggers can be anything from diet to, obviously, lifestyle, stress management, exposure to toxins. We know we live in a very toxic world. We can't live in a bubble. But there's certain things that you can do to avoid the toxins in your home and on your body. You know, looking at your stress levels, we know that if you're in stress mode and your adrenaline and cortisols are pumping, that's going to increase your risk for breast cancer. That's a given fact. You know, looking at your dental issues, make sure that there's not a lot of infections in your mouth, that you don't have any metal fillings. You know, you don't have root canals because root canals are toxic to site. That drip very toxic bacteria into your system, and that can compromise your immune system. And then look at your basic blood work. Stay on top of your blood work. Obviously, you understand this, jj, as far as sugar levels, make sure you're not insulin resistant. Look at your vitamin D levels. If your vitamin D levels are optimal, it reduces your breast cancer risk by over 83%.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

Something as simple as vitamin D. Yes.

Wow.

That is amazing. I had never heard that before. And still it's not standard to test vitamin D levels. It makes no sense to me.

It's crazy. I mean, these women who are under an oncologist's care and they come to us and their vitamin D levels are at 20, optimal range, therapeutic range should be between 80 and 150. Minimally, you know, 50 and 60, but 20, and they don't tell them anything about it.

And what is the percentage of women now that will get breast cancer? Like.

One out of eight women are destined to develop breast cancer, but one out of three women will develop some form of cancer. Men will be one out of two. And women, it's one out of three. And soon it's going to be 50% for everybody in another 20 years.

Oh, my gosh. That is why, you know, I know that you have your program and you've written this bestselling book that's there to help people who've been diagnosed have the steps to walk them through so they can regain their health. But I look at and go, you should be on this now. Like, you know, we just need to set up our body because I worry that a lot of it, for a lot of us, the two that I see as big challenges for this audience because, you know, they're doing the diet, they're doing, they're doing exercise and lifestyle and reducing sugar and optimizing vitamin D. But, you know, we've got to be dealing with, with the toxic burden that I think is driving so much of this and the stress burden where, like, we have a society that still celebrates overworking and overdoing and, you know, especially for women, it's like self care has got to be at the top and, you know, we've got to take time to putter and be again. Right?

That's right. That's right. And that was really one of my biggest takeaways from my second healing journey was to learn to draw boundaries, learn to say no. Self nurture, self care always. You know, it's in my calendar. You know, tennis, meditation, sauna, coffee, enemas. You know, just to make sure that I'm taking care of myself. And stress is not part of my vocabulary anymore. I refuse to be.

No badge of honor for that one.

That's right.

You know, it was interesting. When my son was in the hospital, it was like the first night Dr. Hylacast came in with all these supplements to help with stress. I just reached out for help and I'm like, I am not, you know, I know what this could do, and I'm not going down with it. Like, it's, you know, we are going to be able to get through this, and me being stressed out is not going to make it, you know, make me be able to get through it better, so.

That's right.

You know, I, I look at everything you're doing, and I think one of the challenges out there is we tend to want to pretend this isn't something and ignore it when, if you just start to look at. All right, I'm going to start doing this. And in fact, it's sitting right here with me right now, my breast friend. And I know we'll do an Instagram live on it. Too, that this is something that is empowering you and that if you look right now and say, I'm going to know that if you do get cancer, there's all of these things that you can do to help you get through it. But why not start right now with not just early detection, but early prevention?

Right.

And I know prevention is always tough to sell to people, but make your body inhospitable to it because of what you're doing to detoxify and because of what you're doing with stress management in your life and because of how you're, how you're eating and living.

That's right. And there's, you know, when you purchase the model, there's actually an opportunity to get an online program about, you know, it's called your guide to preventing breast cancer naturally. And so it's walks you through each of the seven essentials so that you can really stay on top of your health. And it's not a lot, you know, it's just common sense things that you can do every day to nurture your body and nurture your soul so that your body stays healthy. Healthy and happy. Because cancer is just a tap on the shoulder. It's just telling you, you know, something's out of balance here. You've got to change what you're doing in your life.

So you are going to be able to get the ebook and I'm going to put all of this@jjvirgin.com My BreastFriend, which I love the title of that. My breast friend. And what we'll make sure too there is that we'll put the video so you can see what this is again, it just looks like a pretty purple implant. And you'll get the ebook as well. And then a link to be able to get this and this little unit here. How much is this little my breast 127.

And we have. Yeah, we have different packages because a lot of women want to get one for their daughter or their kids. So we have community packs and bundles and generations.

Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. Because I look at this and I go, literally, it's less. It's less than. Probably a co pay a lot of the doctors to go get the. To go get these. Any kind of testing. So this is the thing to put in to your schedule again you're going to put it into your date book. That's what I'm doing along with my other stuff that I have to do periodically. You just put it on in there so you remember to do it and again, I mean, I think this is just peace of mind. This is my breast friend. It's peace of mind. So I super appreciate all your work on it. Again, you can grab this@jjvirgin.com forward/my breast friend. And now after the break, I'm going to come back and give you a couple of my top takeaways. So stay with me.

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Welcome back. Now I will share with you that Dr. V gave me a. My breast friend. I just picked it up. I'm looking at it right now. In fact, I was messing with it while I was interviewing her, which might seem a little bit strange. Um, and I made the decision. I was like, I've. I kind of looked at flossing like I was always a bad flosser. And a couple years ago I this, I thought this is ridiculous. And I've become a, a super flosser ever since then. And now I'm making the same commitment and I'm making the commitment here on the show with all of you that I'm committing to my best friend. And I know the way to make this happen is to put it in my book and commit to doing it. And so this is something that we know to be true. This is the part of the show where I talk about the action step. Well, the action step today is to commit to breast self exam because everything that you look at around breast cancer is that it all comes down to early detection. And the statistics are super clear that breast self exam done correctly is a powerful, powerful way for you to have early detection. And I know that can be scary and kind of some of it's like denial. I don't want to do that. But I've now had a couple girlfriends, super close girlfriends go through breast cancer and early detection is so key and critical and then doing some of these steps that Dr. V talked about. Now if you've been around the, if you've been around the community, you know that how I feel about sugar. So we've talked a lot about lowering your sugar impact. We've talked about vitamin D and optimizing it. We've talked a lot about diet and toxins and, and lifestyle. We haven't talked a lot about dental. I have done an interview with, with Trina Felber, the natural health nurse. So I'll post that into the intel as well because we definitely need to go deeper there and I'll you can get more information. I would highly recommend when you get my breast friend to do a couple things, get my breast friend and get one for a friend as well or get a couple. Last year I gave everyone Trina Felber's teeth products, dental products for the holidays. And this year I may be giving my breast friends, I must say, but this is definitely one you want to get out to as many friends as possible and then also commit because while I find that it's easier to be really clear with things like diet and vitamin D and lowering sugar and exercising because they're so tangible, it may not be as clear with things like watching your stress levels. So also commit there because I think one of the challenges, especially with we women is we tend to put ourselves last on the to do list and we overwork and overdo and we've got to take that time out for ourselves. So the other thing I want to just pull out as a big action step is number one, breast self exam. Put it into your calendar. I'm I have to do a testosterone shot every three weeks so it's going there with that. I'm going to put those two together. And then number two is to make sure that you're taking some downtime for you some time to just be goof off and have fun and play and do something for yourself. All for yourself. Be selfish because by the way that self care is not selfish and when you take some time for yourself, you'll be better for everybody else. Alrighty. I want to remind you one more time grab at Grab the show notes from today. Lots of goodness there at jjvirgin.com forward/my breast friend and other important thing is go on over now. If you haven't subscribed yet, subscribe and share this episode with every woman that you can think of. And let's get this message of self exam, breast self exam all over the place. All right, I'll see you next time. Bye.

That's all for this episode of the JJ Virgin Lifestyle show, which marks another step towards a healthier body and mind. Don't forget to rate, review and subscribe to the show and we'll talk to you next week.

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