Burn Fat & Boost Energy with Dr. Dan Kalish

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Welcome to the JJ Virgin Lifestyle show with celebrity nutrition expert, Fitness hall of Famer and four time New York Times best selling author, JJ Virgin. JJ is a warrior mom whose knowledge and expertise have helped change hundreds of thousands of lives. With over 3.5 million podcast downloads and appearances on Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, the Today Show, Rachael Ray, Larry King Love Whoa, whoa, whoa.

This show is about you, not about me. I want to help you find practical, real world ways to dial in your health and mindset so you can finally lose that weight and feel strong and energized. Stop settling for less than your personal best. It's time to find out how to look and feel better than ever. And I'll be right here with you the whole way. This is fun. I have an old, old, old. He's not that old, but an old friend coming on the show with me today. It was kind of one of those things where all of a sudden I went, why aren't you on the show?

What the heck?

And we were actually talking about a, a topic, mitochondria. And I was like, who could do a really good job on that? And all of a sudden I know my buddy Dr. Dan Kalish is the perfect guy for that because Dan's one of those super geniuses that can take complicated stuff, break it on down, and make it easy to understand and actionable. So I met Dan, who is a chiropractor from Life College, and I met him years ago. I was working with Dr. Diana Schwartzbein in Santa Barbara and we were putting on these workshops teaching people how to follow what's called the Schwarzbein Principle. And it was really about adrenal exhaustion, insulin resistance, and how you needed to eat balanced meals and what you needed to do exercise wise. And Dan came in and he was our third, third trainer. So it was me, Dr. Diana Schwarzbein, and Dr. Dan Kalish. Super fun. And then we kind of lost touch for a while and then we ran into each other at a conference. So I'm really excited to have him here with us. He is kind of a trippy dude here because not only is he a chiropractor and he has this very cool Kalish institute. He is teaching functional medicine practices mainly to MDs. He's taught over a thousand practitioners worldwide, but you know, just what you'd assume just a long with that. He also studied at a Zen monastery because that's naturally a perfect progression. It's kind of so interesting. He's like this perfect blend of east meets West. So he spent two years in formal monastic. Monastic, I think it is training in Asia. He studied at a Zen monastery in Japan under Zen master Haradai Roshi. And then he lived in a forest monastery in Thailand practicing mindfulness meditation techniques and transcribing Buddhist texts for Vipassana. Master Akan Buddha, Buddhasada. I don't think I did that well at all. Anyway, you get the idea. Very cool. Super blend and just also an awesome human. So we are going to be talking about how to boost energy and burn fat and how to really understand what the heck mitochondria is and why it matters and how to fix them. So before I dive into this fabulous interview, I want to share this fabulous review. My favorite podcast, so Spin Me and Eat Clean from the usa gave me a five star review in Apple Podcasts. Says this podcast is amazing. JJ has gets right to the point of the podcast. Whereas some other podcasters take a good five to 10 minutes. She always gives valuable information in a short amount of time, which happens to be my commute time. So thank you jj. She's consistent about podcasting weekly and I always look forward to sharing my day with such a positive spirit. Ah, thank you. So here's the deal. That is exactly what we intended to do was we wanted to make a podcast that's a drive time podcast and I actually now do it twice a week. And here's what's even cooler. What's Even cooler was three years of my podcast disappeared. 20, 14, 15, 16. I was looking at my itunes the other day. I'm like, wait a minute, I know that I've done more podcasts than this. And so if you are all caught up on podcasts that guess what, there's a whole bunch more waiting for you over there. So we've got a ton more around. So that was kind of fun. So anyway, be sure to jump in on those and if you haven't left a review yet, I would love to love to love you, blow you up on my podcast and shout out. So go Ahead, leave a review, subscribe while you're there and share it with other pals who want to take responsibility for their health and need simple, actionable advice to do so. Dr. Dan Kalish, welcome. Welcome to the show. Super excited to have you here.

Yeah, thank you. I'm glad to be here.

I know, man. It's been a long time. Like, we go back, what, it's 15.

Years before my son was born. That's 20. He's 20 now, if you can believe that.

Wow. Wow. Yeah. I kind of knew you then before you, like, kind of blew up and became the big thing.

Yeah.

I mean, I knew you were a big thing, but, you know, not everybody else did yet.

I was. I was in my own mind for a long time, and now I've gotten some.

And now you really are.

Well, but we're diving into kind of a complicated topic, and I just know that you'll be able to take the complicated topic and make it simple, easy to understand, actionable. Right.

That is my goal. And it's the thing I'm the most passionate about these days, too. So I love to turn, you know, educate people about it.

Very good. Because we got to start with the very beginning, because now there's all this talk about mitochondria. My. My bestie, Dave Asprey, wrote his whole book around mitochondria. And I'm like, yeah, but no one knows what they are. Like, no one knows what is mitochondria. Why does it matter? So what? That's where we got to start.

Yeah. So I think the best way to think about it is the mitochondria are the controlling aspects of your metabolism.

Right.

They're the area in the body, in the cells where you're actually burning fat for fuel. And so if they're not working well, you're going to have a hard time burning fat, which means you're going to be tired because you're not able to get into a great source of energy which is stored in fat. Tiss you're going to have weight issues because, you know, fat's going to not be burned properly, so you're going to have to burn other substrates for energy. And so they play a role which is important to almost every single person I work with, because almost everybody wants to lose a few pounds and get more energy.

I know. I was just going to say. And you just have everybody's attention now.

And no one thinks about them. Right. They're kind of like the unsung heroes these mitochondria know. They've been neglected for a lot of years.

They have been neglected. But we're going to fix this right now. So people aren't burning fat. Well, they're tired. What's happened to their mitochondria?

So the mitochondria, it's called an organelle, it's a little chunk of stuff inside your cell. It's like an engine in a car. Right. And the problem is that they're very delicate structures and they're easily damaged by what we call oxidative stress. Oxidative stress is basically anything bad that can happen to you, whether you are over exercising or under exercising, eating the.

Wrong food, all that aerobic exercise, going out crazy on it can cause this just.

I was, I was out on a bike ride last weekend and there are so many 50 year olds on bikes getting fatter and fatter every year. They're just pounding on the cardio.

Isn't it crazy? I used to, I had this gym I worked out at in Palm Desert and it was so funny because I would walk down this hallway and on one side and there was a hallway and either side were windows into both sides of the gym. And one side the gym was weights and the other side of the gym was all the cardio equipment. And this is in Palm Desert. So the average age in there was 50 plus. Most of people were 60 and 70. And the people on the cardio side looked like hell. They were overweight, they looked, they looked tired, crappy. The people on the other side and by the way, same age. So it wasn't like you said, oh, they looked old over there. Because they were old. No, everyone was about the same age. But the people on the weight side looked amazing. And over the couple years, I belong there. The people on the cardio side, I'm like, are they not noticing that they're at the gym every day getting worse like is what is making them continue go. Because the other side was looking better and better and better.

Yeah. And a lot of that centers around how we use oxygen. Right. So when you. And this is why I think this is the easiest way to understand how important your mitochondria are, is just take a deep breath in and hold it. And how long can you do that for? The reason why we breathe right is because we need to get oxygen to our mitochondria for energy production. So if you're breathing in constantly on a 26 mile run, think how much oxygen you're cramming through your lungs and through your mitochondria. And that oxygen causes oxidative stress, because as you're burning up the fuel, you're generating all these free radicals, which then damage the very mitochondria that you're trying to get to work better. So that's the kind of death knell of cardio. Now, I ride a bicycle every day. I'm not against cardio. But you got to figure out how to balance it with the strength training or you're in trouble.

Yes. And so oxidative stress from endurance training is one thing that can cause problems with your mitochondria. What else?

Yeah, the leading one and the saddest one and the one that's escalating to levels that are incomprehensible would be environmental toxin exposure. And that could be benzene, toluene, lead, mercury, DDT from the old days, whatever. Those 80 plus thousand chemicals are the environment, and the dozen or so toxic metals. Because any kind of environmental toxicant is going to get right into the cell, hit the mitochondria and destroy it.

And I love that you're saying that because we just. One of the things we do in our community is we do a group detox twice a year just so that we can continue to deepen our detox strategies. Not to say, hey, once a year for twice a year, for a week, detox, you're cool. No, no, that's not the case. It's like, to get these strategies in place because we need to be doing it every day. But, you know, as I start to go into this every six months, people like, oh, but I eat organic. And like, you know, you just mentioned ddt, which I know we still find in, like, the cord blood of infants. And it's like, wait a minute, where the heck's this coming from? So can you just, like, hit that one a little bit harder about, like, where we get. Where are all these things coming from and how big a problem they are?

Yeah, and I test all of my patients extensively with lab work. And just in the last 24 hours, I've had three patients with arsenic toxicity, someone with mercury, and someone with a pretty bad chemical toxicity problem. So this is rampant. Pretty much everyone in the United States has had exposure for their entire lifetime to heavy metals and chemicals. It could be flame retardants from furniture. It could be your dental fillings leaching out mercury. Some of the worst exposure actually comes from air. So you don't. Even if you're eating organic and you're trying to juice every day, just the fact that you're outside breathing in the current atmosphere is going to cause a large amount of these chemicals and heavy metals to enter into your system. I think it's the biggest health problem that we face in integrative medicine, because conventional medicine is ignoring it. It's ubiquitous. It's happening to everybody. And because it damages mitochondria, we then end up with this whole cascade. And as you know, everything from, you know, metabolic syndrome on down to thyroid problems. Right. That's a direct result of these toxins hitting our very sensitive tissues.

Is there a way to tell how much mitochondrial damage you have?

Oh, yeah. Well, that's the new breakthrough work I'm doing with Richard Lord now, who's the scientist that developed.

I love Richard Lord. I love. He's like. He's so great. Yeah. Because he can explain the most. I would always call him. When I was on Freaky Eaters and I was doing a bunch of metametrics testing and using it on Freaky Eaters, I had to explain this to, you know, they always say on TV, talk to the fifth grader. So I call. I'd call Dr. Richard Lord, and I go, all right, how do I explain this? And he. He could just rattle out. And to me, that sign of true genius is taking complicated things and be able to explain them to a fifth grader. Yeah.

And he and I work together every Monday now for the last two and a half years. So we've actually produced a couple books together about this very subject as well. There's an. This is a little technical, but I'll just mention it briefly. There's a way that you can analyze organic acids tests where you see underactive mitochondrial markers showing up when the energy production mitochondrial markers are low. So if you see a physician who's been trained by me recently or who works directly with Richard Lord, can glance at one of these profiles, like a nutrival or an organic acids profile, and boom, it just jumps out at you. And you see what Richard is now calling a hypometabolic state, meaning that there's not enough mitochondria left in that person's body to make these responses. And you see low levels across the board. And those are the people that are struggling with weight gain, fatigue. No matter how much they exercise or how sparsely they eat, their metabolism is basically shut down, and there's not enough mitochondria left. And then we need to rebuild the mitochondria, which of course, you know all about. That's getting in the gym, getting on the amino acids and those kinds of things.

Yeah, let's go. Like, let's go through that. I want to talk about first of all how to protect them. But before we go to protect them, let's, let's. Since you brought it up and everyone's now thinking, I got, I got bad mitochondria, so what, what can we do to rebuild those mitochondria?

I've got to think of non doctor solutions. Like in my world, I would run a lab and fix them for you. But if you're not going to see a doctor and they're not going to do this for you.

And we'll put, we'll put some in the. Because we do a lot of referring out to functional medicine doctors and testing. So we will put that in the show notes. And Dan, as I talked about in the intro, has the Kalish Institute. And so we'll have this in the show notes so you can find doctors training this. But what are some things Someone listening right now can go, all right, I'm freaking out. What can I do?

Yeah, so number one is you increase your antioxidants and that could be with antioxidant supplements, with vegetable juices, with, you know, doubling your fruit and vegetable intake. Whatever it is.

Shouldn't they just drink celery juice? Isn't that the answer? Dan, are you just getting. I was like going, could someone stop asking? Like every single single time I go on social media now it's a cell reduce thing. I'm like, geez, oh no. I know. It's like it's the medical medium gone wild. Anyway, okay, so increased antioxidants, fruits and all the great color of the rainbow of fruits and vegetables and great antioxidant supplements.

And if you are doing excessive cardio, back it off and go into the gym and get more into strength training and yoga and those kinds of things so you're not running too much oxygen through your lungs and you're not too chronically stressed. And then, you know, as Richard says, there's always three things that you want to do to really fix these mitochondria on a nutritional level. And they are three key nutrients, right? Oxygen, CoQ10 and magnesium. So oxygen comes from breathing. Not excessive breathing, but deep, relaxed breathing. Right. So if you're a couch potato and you're not getting enough activity, you want to do some meditation exercises or breathing exercises. You need that oxygen to feed the mitochondria.

Not like WIM HOF level.

Yeah, not too much. We talked about too much is gonna whack you out. Right? And then magnesium is easy enough to get as a supplement. Just don't take too much of it. You get diarrhea or loose stool and then cocaine.

You only do that once.

Yeah, those are the three amenities. Yep.

All right, perfect. Are those the same types of things? Like, I would imagine if you're gonna try to do some lifestyle stuff to help protect your mitochondria, some of it would be changing up that exercise routine and some of it would be eating more deep green leafies and stuff. But I'm assuming there's some stuff in there with like really being aware of toxic exposure.

Yeah, well, I mean, if you're, I guess you have to meet people where they are, Right. So trying to get away from putting, you know, chemicals and sprays on the food that you're eating. So you're trying to be more on the organic food. Air is a big issue. Right. So depending on the type of home you're living in, seeing if you can get an air filter so you can keep the exposure to toxicants in your home down to minimum. And then all the basics for women, especially in terms of avoiding makeup that is full of lead or other kind of chemical compounds. So you don't want to rub that stuff on your skin or use lipstick that's full of something that's potentially toxic. And then you can kind of get into the home care products like the cleaning agents and the deodorants and those kinds of things as well. You know, where you're really kind of leaning towards this sort of greener lifestyle, right. And just not spraying and you know, polluting yourself in a purposeful way that you could avoid. Oh, and then the other thing is the magic bullet, right. Which no one ever wants to do and it's free, is basically drinking enough water that you're flushing out all the water soluble toxins. That's kind of a no brainer.

Well, I mean, let's talk about water because this is like, not only is it great for detox, it's like great for your metabolism. It's like this is, this is like, you know, when you look at a lot of the things that you can do to get healthy, they're free sleep, drinking more water. You know, it's like these are, these are not. They're just the things we tend to avoid. So one of the things I always like to get people to do is focus on one thing at a time. So if you take anything away from today, and you will, there's a lot of stuff that's going to hear as action steps. My gosh, just starting to drink more water. And how much do you recommend?

Well, you know, most of the time people lose their natural thirst, their natural sense of thirst when they're chronically dehydrated. So most people that are dehydrated, well, how unfair is water repulsive? I know. And that thirst signal is replaced with a hunger signal, right? Yeah. So I know every morning at 11 when I get hungry and every afternoon at 4 when I get hungry, I just go out and pound a quart of water and mysteriously my hunger is gone. Even knowing all this, I still get the hunger signal. Boom. Drink the water. The hunger signal is gone. So, you know, I mean, the water consumption rates vary depending on the person's overall health. But you want to have a minimum of one completely clear urination a day where the urine looks just like water. If you're not doing that, then you're in serious trouble. And then, you know, the other kind of basic formula is half your body weight in ounces. But for most people that's too much and that they just won't do it. It's just not practical, you know, So I try to get people to meet people where they are. And most of the people that I'm working with are drinking like a quart at the best or a liter or so at the best. And at least I have them double that.

Yeah. And what I find is with anything what you measure, you can improve. So I know I like have to carry something around where I have how much water I'm drinking, otherwise I just forget about it.

Yeah, absolutely. You got to keep track of it. You're right.

Because people, we do need to talk about this because we talked about toxins. Like the last thing you want them to do is GR plastic water bottles and drink water from those.

And you do not want to drink tap water that's full of chemicals like chlorine, et cetera. Yeah.

So what should they be doing?

Well, you know, you can buy a really great water filter for 100, $200. You don't have to spend a huge amount of money on a really fancy one. I mean, the fancy ones are nice, but I think you look at it over the course of a year or two, a good triple filter underwater under counter system, you can get fresh water from that and you only have to change the filters maybe every six months or every year. Cost you an extra 20, 30 bucks. So I think that's the most affordable way to get yourself into the fresh water. And then that in and of itself is gonna clear all the water soluble toxins out of your Tissue, that's half the battle right there. Now you're just left with the fat soluble ones.

Yeah. And what is your strategy for the fat soluble ones, which are obviously the difficult ones?

Not eating ice cream.

I'm sorry.

That's my personal weakness. So.

Okay, well, there we go. That's so simple. I thought you were gonna say sauna.

And it's like, I'm only half joking, you know, Butter pecan. Just don't get in the con section of this.

You know what? So delicious. Dairy free, that has one gram of sugar has butter pecan.

Is that right? Okay.

Ice cream.

Yeah, there you go.

So you can have at that. You're welcome.

All right. And I do, actually, I have an infrared sauna and I do 20 minutes or more every day.

So do you eat ice cream in your infrared sauna?

Never. Although that would be an ironic thing, now that you mentioned it. I'd have to eat it really fast. Right. Because it'd be melting.

It'd be retox Detox. Retox.

Yeah. So I mean, yeah, the sauna thing, the sweating thing, the exercise thing, you know, I mean, it all comes back to these basic fundamental concepts that we know. But I think like you said, if people can just start with one area that they know they're weak in and focus on that for a couple months until you master it and you get that level of mastery, then you can go on to the next thing. I mean, I think especially, you know, in the new year, everybody's, you know, trying to go on a correct my entire life thing and then, you know, falling apart. We really try to do things one at a time wherever the most gain can come from, you know?

Yeah, I love that. I think it's called the Freedom Journal that has hundred day sprints. And you just do one thing and just that. And then you look at it over time and you realize how big of a shift you make. Because anytime I've tried to do too much, it's always a fail. So everything I do, all the programs, it's like just one thing. That's all you get to do. Nope, we're not adding in the rest of the stuff yet. So if you've been listening to this. Because I am just guessing that most people listening to this are probably not getting enough water in such a simple. Like, talk about a simple health hack. Just add that in. Just to add in, add in water and take out ice cream. That's the big takeaway from the show.

Exactly. This is five pounds is gone right there.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow. That was magic. So I know you've got like this. This was very superficial. Scratch the surface of mitochondria as you can. Mitochondria is everything, so you're going to want to learn more. And Dan has put together his mitochondria masterclass, a deep dive into all of this that you are getting for free. Thank you so much for that, Dan. I appreciate it.

Yeah, glad to do it.

Yeah. So you can go to jj, virgin.com forward/mito. M, I, T, O. I was going to put the whole thing in, then I thought it's hard to spell. So it's JJ, virgin.com forward/mido. We'll also have information in there on the Kalish Institute on testing, so that if you want to dive deeper into this, you can. I know back when I saw people one on one, I always used organic acid testing because it was just such an easy way to see if something was wrong with people's engines.

Right, Exactly. It measures it thoroughly from the top to the bottom. It's really quite remarkable.

Yeah. I actually just did mine recently. I just had a big surgery in December, so I decided it was perfect, like three weeks after that when everything was completely trashed, to go and do it and see how bad it was so I could fix it so that, that's, that's what I am now. I'm. Now I'm in fixed process after that. But yeah, it's a really good functional way to do that. So we'll include that in there as well. So again, jjvirgin.com Dan, thank you so much for your time. Super interesting. And you did a great job breaking down the complicated into simple.

Thank you.

All right, now, after the break, we'll be answering a listener's question, so stay with me.

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Foreign welcome back. This is the time where we answer a listener's question. Now, if you've been listening to my podcast, you know my favorite thing to do is grab questions from my viewers on my Facebook and Instagram lives. So if you have not popped over there yet and hung out with me, JJ Virgin on Instagram with the little blue check mark and JJ Virgin Official on Facebook and just subscribe, become a member of my community and then you'll know when I go live. And just let me know what you'd like to know more about or what pressing questions you have. This one's from Alicia Says. All right, I've been running and running and running. What should I be doing for exercise now? I will tell you full disclosure. I used to be a massive aerobics fiend. In fact, I used to teach, gosh, anywhere from three to five aerobics classes a day. I used to run. I remember running for two hours at a time. I used to ride my bike rollerblade aerobics. I was just a, an aerobic cardio exercising, endurance exercising fiend. It's what I did all weekend, et cetera. And then I learned about high intensity interval training. What I learned was that cardiovascular training, endurance training creates a lot of oxidative stress on the body, which is super aging. You heard about it today from Dr. Daniel and it's super aging. And it also is super damaging to your mitochondria. And also it takes a darn long time. Back when I did all of that aerobic cardio exercise all the time, I did not have kids, which changed the game. I was a personal trainer, so I was working out with my clients and I was in grad school. That was kind of it. So all I did was go to grad school, work out my clients and work out. That was it. Oh, and ate a little bit and slept. So then, you know, had kids, got married, had kids, started another business and all of a sudden I didn't have that much time. But at that time too, I also learned about high intensity interval training and that while what happens when you do a lot of endurance training is you can actually break down muscle, you raise stress hormones, you lower anabolic hormones, and it's aging and you makes you hungrier. When you do high intensity interval training, you can do it in a quarter of the time. Like if most of the time you're doing cardio for an hour plus high intensity interval training is 15 to 20 minutes. And we'll put a link in the show notes jjvirgin.com forward/mito we'll put a link in the show notes about some of the different things that you can, you can do. But also I'll show my exciser training, but basically it's where you go all out for 30 to 60 seconds. So maybe that's sprinting, running upstairs, doing the exciser, jumping jacks. And then you recover actively for twice as long to buffer the lactic acid back down and you repeat that to accumulate four to eight total minutes of bursting and you're really going all out and hard. I tell people if you can do more than four to eight total minutes of bursting done in those tranches of three to eight, 30 to 60 seconds, then you're not working out hard enough. So you do it in a short amount of time. It raises growth hormone, you have much less oxidative stress. It's not going to impact your, your immune system like the other stuff does. It raises your anabolic hormones, it teaches your body how to handle stress better and it's very time efficient as a better metabolic effect. So amen for all of that. Like, you know, it's all the good. All right, so that's what I want you to flip on over to Alicia. High intensity interval training. I call it bursting to blast fat. We'll put some resources@jjvirgin.com forward/mito M I T O and I will see you next time. Oh, and remember, if you haven't subscribed yet, be sure to do that and leave a review so I can shout you out.

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