Detoxify Your Mouth with Dr. Sanda Moldovan
15 Dec 2025 · 43 min
JJ Virgin interviews Dr. Sanda Moldovan (periodontist + board-certified in nutrition) about oral health as a window into systemic health. Key themes: "menopause mouth" (bleeding gums, dry mouth/xerostomia, burning mouth syndrome affecting ~15% of women), biological dentistry that focuses on root causes and detoxifying the mouth, risks from mercury/amalgam fillings and importance of safe removal and testing (urine challenge), diagnostics including saliva testing and cone-beam CT for jaw cavitations, and at-home care steps (brush, water-floss, chewable probiotics, tongue scraping, topical calcium hydroxyapatite rather than fluoride). The episode includes practical treatment and prevention strategies (red-light to stimulate salivary glands, oral chelation with chlorophyll/chlorella post-removal) and resources (IAOMT directory, Dr. Moldovan's Orasana products and ebook).
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Still remember one of the first signs that i was going into perimenopause i didn't know.
What it was i didn't know that.
This was a sign i started getting these bleeding gums i went to my dentist i go what the heck is going on in my floor flossing too hard he goes no your hormones are dropping it's like what i've now decided i've coined this menopause mouth and i actually have an expert in menopause mouth and an expert in mouth detoxification i have the amazing doctor sanda moldovan with me today and we are going to be talking about all things dentistry and signs and symptoms that you can see in your mouth that can be indicators for issues with heart disease could be why you have chronic fatigue can tell you early about osteoporosis all sorts of stuff that you can find out doctor sanda is recognized internationally for her expertise in oral health nutrition and anti aging she is board certified in two areas both periodontics and nutrition i have never heard of that a periodontist who is also boarded in nutrition how uncool is that and because of that she put those two together and she has this really cool approach to biological dentistry and you're going to learn what biological dentistry is once you hear what it is.
You will never want to go back.
To a conventional dentist she's the published author of heal up seven ways to faster healing and optimal health she's a speaker she's been on all sorts of tv shows and and she is a fantastic speaker by the way i'll see if i can get a cut from the talk she did at our event to link to because it was fantastic she showed some crazy pictures she also has developed her own line of natural oral healthcare products called orasana i'm going to put all of the information plus an ebook on how to detoxify your mouth at jjvirgin dot com mouth detox and i will be right back back.
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All right doctor sanda moldovan welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me jj i'm.
Very excited to talk about this because i don't think i've ever talked about what i'm gonna call menopause mouth on this show and i'll just give you a little like entry into this i still remember this was probably fifteen years ago going over to my dentist in palm desert and going my gums are bleeding what the heck like nothing's changed he goes oh yes something's changed that's.
Right yeah the hormones changed hormones change.
So so you know we think about like aging and we think about our body and our skin but what goes on in the mouth well a lot.
Of people don't know is that we actually have estrogen receptors in the gums so for that reason anytime you know as women we experience hormonal changes whether it's menopause pregnancy puberty anytime gums will react because the mouth is the gateway to one's health so we see that but in menopause what actually happens is gums actually become more frail and the top three things that menopause mouth causes is basically a dry mouth increase in gum disease and the third thing which is unusual is burning mouth syndrome and women will experience this like sensations like the gums are burning and it's really related to hormonal changes and about fifteen percent of women actually experience this wow.
I just had the bleeding ones i'm glad i did not have the burning.
Ones yeah it's unpleasant you feel like you have fire on your gums and there's not much we can do about it from a topical perspective i basically refer patients to get hormonal replacement therapy to help them balance out the hormones.
That leads me to think then like this was one of actually the first signs that i was in perimenopause was bleeding gums and i just wonder what else as you start to do an oral exam can you find out from an oral exam what other health conditions besides like your estrogen's going down what's.
Interesting is we can look at the salivary glands which are on the side of the cheek and also underneath the tongue and we can actually express saliva and what we see in about a third of the women experiencing menopause is that there's not enough salivary production we call it xerostomia or dry mouth and that can be pretty uncomfortable i have women unfortunately that that are talking and their lips get stuck to their teeth because they don't have enough lubrication it's.
Very uncomfortable wow and same thing they go and get hormones replaced and then.
Everything'S cool i wish it was that easy with salivary glass with saliva it's a little more difficult so my recommendation is for people that are suffering with dry mouth is to try to stimulate that gland it's kind of like working right we exercise the muscle in order to keep it active same with saliva we want to exercise those salivary glands and those muscles that are pumping saliva so how do we do that sugar free lozenges to stimulate that salivary flow sometimes even like a more sour taste you know you get that saliva flow in the mouth also we can stimulate it via red light therapy which is another natural approach you know as a biological dentist i always try to recommend natural things the red light therapy seems to help especially when placed on the side of the cheeks where the major salivary glands are present so with red.
Light therapy and i want to get into biological dentistry in a second here but with red light therapy do you just stand in front of the red light or do you have to open your mouth like how does it work do you have to go in your mouth with it or what hey the.
Good news is you don't have to go in the mouth there's actually these round heads of red light you could just put it on the side of the cheek it's about the size of your palm and you put it in contact with the skin and you just leave it there for about twenty minutes you can feel a little bit of warmth i know some patients have said oh you know i bought this light but i don't feel warmth i'm not sure that that is strong enough there's so many red lights on the market so find one that actually you know is a reputable company and it creates enough warmth because you want it to penetrate through the skin the salivary gland is literally from the outside of the skin is within like a centimeter so you will get that red light therapy without having to go in the mouth.
And it's good for your skin too.
Oh exactly you get a bonus point.
So you kind of threw out there i'm a biological dentist i don't think people know know that there's such a thing or what that is so can you like discuss what a biological dentist versus a conventional dentist is i kind of liken it to functional medicine and.
Allopathic medicine that's basically the big difference right there traditional dentistry a lot of people listening know is basically drill and fill oh you see hole in the tooth let's fill it but in biological dentistry we treat the hole not the hole i like to say ha ha.
Ha.
So we we want to look at the mouth as a potential source of infection because of things that are reintroduced in it so we want to detoxify the mouth for a healthier body anything in the mouth like infections or cavities why is it happening we really go to the root cause and then we also find solutions that are personalized to each individual based on their genetics by doing blood tests for different materials dental materials to make sure we what we put in the mouth is not going to cause an immune reaction shouldn't.
That be like standard i agree with.
You and that's my mission to really make this biological dentistry as a standard because it isn't and that's wild yeah.
What would happen if someone put in some type of a filler for a crown or something and it caused an.
Immune reaction what we see is itching at the gum line so people say you know this actually itches or you know what i've seen with veneers especially people put these beautiful veneers on their teeth but then the gum line is red and inflamed and that actually could be an allergic reaction from the cement that was used wow so how would.
Someone know like how do you find a biological dentist are they listed as such how would you know to find.
One the best way to find a biological dentist in your area is iaomt which is the international association of oral medicine and toxicology iomt dot org and they have a directory of biological dentists that are trained as mercury removal certified and they're certified in certain things to create the biological experience well let's dig.
Into that since you mentioned mercury and you know i just think back to when i was a kid going into the dentist and first of all i had orthodontia so i had all that horrible stuff all over my teeth but then getting fillings getting those silver fillings which i then had removed but the person who removed them did not do them correctly either so are those things still being used in conventional dentistry and what do we need to that's a big long question like what do we do about things like mercury filling so if you're going to a conventional dentist are they still using some of these.
Toxic materials yes unfortunately in united states mercury fillings are still legal and they're being placed especially in children wow yes in a lot of the countries in europe they've been banned but in united states it's a political issue with the ada because they don't want to get sued now from everybody that's become toxic but studies have shown that we insert a mercury filling which is basically anybody who's looking in their mouth and they see silver fillings on their teeth those can be up to fifty percent mercury and the reason why they were labeled silver filling because silver sounds a lot better than mercury but they're not silver at all they're just the color silver we know that in sheep studies that were done you put mercury fillings within a month that mercury has ended up in the liver in the kidneys in the lungs and in the brain of the sheep and the same thing applies to humans i myself had a story just like you i grew up in romania i had sixteen large mercury fillings in my mouth growing up and it made me very toxic so what did.
That look like how did you know and what did you do about it.
I remember at the age of fourteen when i immigrated to united states with my family you know i was starting to not feel well literally when you looked in the back of my mouth my teeth were all black and it wasn't until i went to dental school that i'm like oh maybe i should change these but i didn't know anything about biological dentistry at the time so i had them removed unsafely just like you then i started developing headaches because what happened during the process of removal as we're cutting into the mercury fillings the vapors are very toxic and as biological dentists we protect patients when we remove these fillings but in dental school unfortunately it is not taught so when we cut into these mercury fillings not only you as a patient get intoxicated but the dentist everybody gets intoxicated and the levels of mercury vapors coming off the fillings is two thousand times more than the epa allows in the atmosphere so it's pretty toxic and yeah i.
Was just thinking about like okay so you do this to a patient but the dentist is exposed day after day after day as well and how would someone know that this is a problem for them what symptoms and what tests and then what do they do what.
I was experiencing was headaches chronic fatigue really neurological issues and i didn't attribute it to to the mercury removal until i actually found a naturopath who did a mercury test and that's what a lot of people experience like chronic fatigue headaches blurry vision even associated with mercury toxicity the best way to test for mercury is really through a urine challenge test because mercury doesn't sit in the blood people say oh i tested my blood and my mercury was fine yeah well no your body's smart enough not to keep the mercury in the blood to become toxic so it stores it.
In the fatty tissues yeah and when you said a challenge that means that you have to challenge it with some kind of chelating agent so that you can see how much is coming out because your body again bodies store things so that you're protected unfortunately when it does that it does a whole host of other things i remember hearing that the data from the nhanes study was showing that you know everyone thinks that people who are obese have a higher risk of diabetes but it wasn't because of the fat it was because of all the toxins stored in the fat there were causing the insulin issues that's.
Right and a lot of people that can't lose weight readily is because the body's not ready to let go of all these toxins that are in the fatty tissues and they need some support.
Yeah i'm glad you brought that up because one of the things i'm putting together with my next book is that you should not be on a fat loss program unless your body's able to detoxify well because you'll free up the toxins and if you don't then like this is why these juice cleanse make me crazy because it's an amino acid dependent step to neutralize the toxins that you freed up and so you do juice cleanses you just create a big problem for yourself yeah like i remember.
How sick i felt like i i started doing some chelation afterwards and the iv chelation releasing the mercury in the bloodstream wow i had to really like it made me dizzy i had to lay down it's just not pleasant so.
When you see this now with patients because i know you work a lot with detoxification what are you doing to help support them and what do you recommend for because a lot of i think a lot of people have gone through this and been subjected to silver fillings right.
Silver fillings very very important to support in this detoxification process when we detoxify the mouth because as we mentioned not everybody's ready for detoxification so number one before we start removing mercury from the mouth we wanna know how toxic someone is so i work with a lot of integrative physicians and practitioners naturopaths to help support the patient from a body perspective and i like to use oral chelation especially initially for patients right after mercury safe removal and there's tablets essentially that have chlorophyll in them and cracked chlorella that really helps to bind the mercury particles that may have been in the area to take them out through the gi tract elimination.
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You know when i think about other things going on with menopause there's two other things that i really think about that i i know there's a mouth connection one of course is osteoporosis can you see anything happening in the mouth with that is what's the connection between bone health and in the mouth great question.
You know i always look at the mouth as a window into one's health and as menopause sets in and dry mouth sets in not only osteoporosis can join in that but also the teeth become more brittle because teeth are bone they're the same kind of matter so when we see teeth disintegrating we know bones are also disintegrating in the body and how do teeth disintegrate well some of you may already have had this experience as listening basically teeth chipping you look at your front teeth and you start to see oh my god i'm getting serration you know like little ledges and i chipped the front tooth and now i'm i chipped the tooth over here because saliva is there to mineralize teeth that's why saliva is so important when saliva is now present the teeth become more brittle and they start to break down maybe more of those we call them craze lines but little like fracture lines that are vertical that show up on the teeth and teeth become more sensitive sensitivity to temperature is a sign that the teeth are getting more.
Brittle the other one of those is heart health and i remember reading something about mouth bacteria and heart disease risk.
Yeah periodontitis which actually goes up or gum disease as the mouth gets drier there's more plaque growing in the mouth that bacteria whenever gums bleed and you mentioned you know you started experiencing bleeding gums bacteria has a chance to catch a ride in the blood vessel and it starts to travel our immune system unfortunately is not perfect it can't see every bacteria every time especially the ones that are we call them stealth microorganisms that kind of encapsulate themselves and they almost become invisible to our immune system and we know that certain bacteria that causes gum disease ends up lodged in heart valves and people with gum disease have up to three times more risk of heart attacks because of that reason.
Wow so how would someone know if this was an issue you would know.
If it's an issue if you actually look in the mirror and i highly recommend everyone listening to pay attention to the gums look in the mouth do a self exam even though you think the mouth is not such a fun place to look at but i highly recommend you look at your gums see if they're swollen do your gums bleed when you're brushing especially for those people that don't like to floss that's when gum disease starts to set into place so when you see the gums bleeding that's an opportunity to improve it i think everyone listening can do this at home they can just brush water floss and use a chewable probiotic those are my recommendation for the three steps to optimum oral health at home to reduce the amount of bleeding because even if you go to the dentist and they do some deep cleaning or treatment for you if you don't do the brush floss probiotic at home it's not gonna hold and you're gonna continue to have.
Bleeding gums okay hold on we're gonna like this three step process we're definitely gonna hit it before we get to that because i have some questions around mouthwash and fluoride and all of that jaw cavitations a lot of people don't know what those are no i didn't i was just googling it right now going what is that just as a.
Cavity is in a tooth a cavitation is a hole in the jawbone well how does a hole end up in the jawbone when we have a tooth removed for example or maybe a root canal there's a chance for bacteria to go either straight into the bone or in case of a root canal through the tooth into the jawbone and it starts to form a hole there and this hole becomes bigger as the bacteria releases acids and it causes bone loss and a lot of bacteria that cause drop cavitations don't need oxygen to survive so they'll continue to live there and that's something that i do as a biological dentist identify cavitations why because it makes people sick it can cause inflammation in the body brain fog chronic fatigue it puts a burden on the immune system so my job is to remove all the microorganisms that live in the jawbone to allow the body to heal.
How do you find them a cone.
Beam ct scan is what i use to find this and i think this is a standard for us now in biological dentistry to have a cone beam ct scan what it is is three dimensional x rays why because the two dimensional x rays we really don't see much we see maybe from the studies that we have about fifty percent of the problems and i have patients that are like i've been to the dentist i have this pain nobody can figure out what it is and i'm their third or fourth consultation taking finally a three dimensional x ray so i can see what's going on wow so that's.
Not standard of care in in most.
Dentists it's not i want to say maybe up to twenty percent of all dentists today have three d x rays in their office but it's not common yet but i do expect it to be the standard of care for us it is in our practice already anybody coming in that's either had teeth removed such as wisdom teeth or root canals will get a cone beam ct scan so i could we could see inside.
The bone i remember you mentioning this because i then went and started searching to find someone that did this in my area and could not because you had a different way of doing exams and cleanings now i don't remember what it was i just remember i couldn't.
Find it your office definitely we call it like a full mouth detoxification because you know the mouth is the opening of the gi tract and it holds a lot of bacteria could be good or bad if it's gums or bleeding bad breath we know it's not so good we do a saliva test as somebody enters our practice and see okay what kind of bacterial fingerprint is in the saliva we identify the bad bacteria and then we do a full mouth detoxification where we cleaned not just the gums a lot of you maybe have had these gum bleeding so i say oh let's do a deep cleaning that's what most dentists do and they only scrape around the teeth that are the problem but sixty percent of the bacteria on the mouth is on the tongue so we actually clean the tongue using it's like a pressure washer with erythritol which is a sweetener and erythritol is antibacterial that's why we use that and it really wipes off the entire biofilm from the teeth the gums the cheeks the tongue underneath the tongue so we can really start fresh wow it's just.
Wild like none of this stuff i've ever heard this is actually religiously going to the dentist forever and you know.
The company that offers this has a technology called airflow and it's swiss it's a swiss technology they've been around for over twenty years and unfortunately it's not common in united states to use it but i would say in europe is more common but still i think we have to start looking at the mouth as a whole and the body as a whole not just at the teeth and the pockets you need to start.
Open centers one in tampa quickly please yes yeah i know last time i talked i'm like i've got to get over to your office and literally i went and started to try to find someone and i now have that i a o m t dot org but still they're not doing like what you're doing is so cutting edge it's incredible now someone comes into your office and they go through this and i love the you know the full mouth detox what are they doing at home then cause you look at what normally happens at an office first they try to give you fluoride treatment i'd love your opinion on that and then they send you home with crest and a toothbrush and some floss oh my gosh yeah.
You know i just did a podcast on flossing actually it turns out string floss is not as effective as a water flosser how do you use a.
Water flosser without also getting a facial or is it just me.
You know.
Dousing the mirror i'm like i have.
Two great tips for that one maybe.
You need to do a youtube video on that.
Yeah if you use actually a washcloth as you're using it you know use it in one hand you hold the other washcloth like that it'll actually hold the water or just close your lips around it and let the water just trickle out of one corner of the mouth okay but very important i i think the recommendation is really brushing without fluoride okay we don't need fluoride especially there's no studies that fluoride actually helps as adults at all how.
Did fluoride get to be such a thing like every time they ask me i'm like no i do not want that but how did this happen where they're even putting it in the water.
Fluoride was an agricultural byproduct and sadly they didn't know what to do with it and they said oh well let's dump it in the water at one parts per million because oh it might help with cavities so that's how fluoride ended up in the water wow exactly there's a great documentary called fluoride gate which i like for people to watch just to get educated european countries have banned fluoride a lot of them have and there's much better products out there our recommendation is calcium hydroxyapatite which actually mineralizes teeth it's the same mineral that the teeth are made out of and we know that it gets absorbed in teeth especially in women that have dry mouth calcium hydroxyapatite is so important to help with the tooth mineralization so is.
That something that you're taking as a supplement or you're using using as a toothpaste what are you doing with that.
Yeah as a topical there are toothpaste and tooth powders out there with calcium hydroxyapatite that's what i recommend not fluoride it really helps to maintain the enamel.
Strong nice all right so if someone goes home now what are they doing.
At home what they're doing at home is brushing manually with a powder so.
Not one of those sonar things if.
You like a sonicare by all means or like an ultrasonic brush is fine especially people that have poor dexterity totally fine you have to be careful if you have thinning gums you're starting to experience gum recession do not use one of those oral b rotary brushes because it will cause more recession so i like a fine bristle toothbrush small circles or some fine bristled sonic brush that's okay but hydroxyapatite tooth powder i developed my own formula for mineralizing tooth powder with probiotics i'm a big fan of probiotics especially topical because of the anti inflammatory effect we'll definitely link to your.
Store which i'm gonna go shop at right after this okay prime toothbrush and hydroxyaptite tooth powder and then and then.
Step two using a water flosser with a little fine bristles to actually help people guide along the gum which water.
Flosser do you like i have a.
Design that i created myself it's a portable one because i'm on the road quite a bit so i wanted something portable and it has three tips in it three tips attachments one for deeper areas in the back one like little tufts and another is a tongue scraper it is important for people to use a tongue scraper to clean the tongue especially if you see that whitish coating on the tongue because it does get accumulation of the dead cells do you.
Do that every time you brush or once a day how often do you need to do the water flosser and.
The tongue scraper the tongue scraper i would say depending on the diet if somebody has a nice amount of fiber in their diet a lot of fresh vegetables then you can look at the tongue the tongue will actually be cleaner very important because fiber helps also to clean the mouth from plaque if you look at the tongue and you see developing a coat you can definitely scrape it every day i only do it twice a week but i also have a good amount of fiber in my.
Diet okay and the other thing you.
Said were probiotics probiotics so the studies today on chewable probiotics are pretty incredible as an adjunct to keeping our mouth healthy they're not gonna work if you don't brush and floss but they work.
Great.
You know i get that question can i just pop a pill and have it do the brushing for me it doesn't work ew although someone did.
Send me this thing that foams up in your mouth to act like toothpaste that you're supposed to then use with a toothbrush i think it's not your dutch supposed to use as a pill.
Did you like it yeah yeah it's it's actually a toothpaste tablet and yeah is that yours it's not mine but i think it's a good idea and also some of them do have the calcium hydroxy in it and is there.
Any reason to use a tooth powder.
Versus a toothpaste toothpaste oftentimes have a lot of additives and i like my products as clean as possible for that.
Reason what would be the scary additives that people want to avoid and also along those lines the issue with mouthwash from what i've heard in microbiome those.
Two questions yeah exactly so glycerin for example it's in a lot of the toothpaste there's also you know sodium lauryl sulfate which is a surfactant to create that foaming effect actually sls can be an inflammatory agent for a lot of people so i don't recommend it gluten is one that's used in toothpaste what yes to give it a thickening effect you know the polishing paste when you go to the dentist and that act also has gluten in it whoa so we don't use that as well you know that little sand things and you know what's interesting if you actually asked your hygienist what's in this they would have no idea wow people just get.
So used to doing things the way they've always done things they don't question it that's right versus it looks like you've questioned every single thing and it also seems like a huge unfair advantage to have the european connection and know what's being done over there and it's it's obscene to me that they've stopped all of these things in europe and i mean i know it's the same with gmo foods and yet here we are this stuff going on and speaking of foods so you mentioned fiber anything else that are things that we'd want to look at for eating to have.
Better teeth better oral health anything with minerals i think it's great so i like things like dark leafy greens they have a good amount of mineral why because everything we eat comes out through saliva i want to make that connection for people whatever you eat the minerals in your diet will come out through saliva to mineralize the teeth so if you're not getting enough minerals and you don't necessarily have to do dairy to get minerals because a lot of people say oh i'm just gonna drink more milk and that's gonna be good for my teeth well right well that's not the case you can actually do dark leafy greens there's a lot of minerals that you can find there you can do it in a powder a protein shake can do it in a cook them you can take supplementation calcium magnesium phosphorus these three ingredients i think are so important to mineralize the teeth and the bones from within research by weston price back in the nineteen thirties actually showed how important you know these these nutrients are to the body and to nourish the teeth yeah i remember seeing.
Pictures from weston price foundation of people on different diets and just how their teeth and their jaws and everything looked and it was like crazy yes crazy.
Difference for menopause mouth highly recommend to increase the level of antioxidants because as we get the gum inflammation that causes oxidative stress it is important to increase antioxidant level including omega three fatty acids there's been a an association between an increase in omega three fatty acids so you can also eat that like basically fish you know like salmon has nice fat level to help with omega three.
Intake and would you recommend people also supplement with fish oil and minerals or do you think they can get enough from their diet or do they need.
More i do i do recommend omega three as supplementation especially for people that have of gum disease like two grams a day i think we cannot eat that much fish and i mean then.
We have to make sure our fish is clean so there's that issue there's.
That issue nowadays so shop vital choice.
But you know you're not eating fish every day i think we get it like three times a week so yeah we take our fish oil too so like there's so much here and i know we're going to link to you have an ebook about what's the ebook that we're going to link to it's.
I think detoxify detoxify your mouth yes the i call it the real secret to health and longevity because it is a secret you know it is a.
Secret all this is a secret why.
Is this a secret you must get.
Out more like you have to you need to create like we need you all over although i'm going to get my my mouth over to beverly hills but this has to be out there it's amazing how much this information's not out it's crazy yeah i'm making a.
Mission to get it out there for.
Sure good i'm glad that you are i'm going to help so we'll put your free ebook on that also a link to your store and a link to your podcast and soon to be youtube channel which i'm super excited about and one of the things for everyone listening doctor sanda did a talk at our mindshare summit and i was standing backstage and all i could hear was.
No oh.
Showing some of the things that that you can find when you are a biological dentist working in the jaw what did you like what were the pictures you were showing i had.
This young patient in her late twenties that had actually parasites in the jawbone so when i open it up my camera is always right there i'm like oh we need to film this she was chronically fatigued couldn't hold a job for two years and she did everything else right ozone iv's and finally we addressed the mouth and basically she was able to heal after we took out all this parasitic infection i actually have that video on my youtube channel wow.
So i mean i think this is really important especially if you've been battling any of these things and gone to doctors and you haven't addressed this and i also think just like we search search out the functional medicine doctors and the holistic integratives same with for your mouth this is where you need to be so we'll also link up to how to find a biological dentist and if you happen to be anywhere near beverly hills then seek out doctor sanda moldovan and thank you so much i'm going to put all of this at jjvirgin dot com mouth detox right i like it easy to remember because that's what you're going to be out teaching everyone about and thank you so much for coming in and talking menopause mouth.
With me it's my pleasure thank you.
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