Healing Your Brain with Dr. Dan Engle

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It's good to be with you, J.J. for sure.

Well, this is like probably the single most important topic to me. So when I heard about you, I was like, let's, let's get you on over here. So we're going to be talking about, about brain injuries, brain recovery, and what I'd love to start with is how the heck you got into this.

Yeah, that was one of the more colorful stories. Well, literally, I dove into it about two weeks before medical school. I broke my neck, dove off a pier, hit a sandbar, crushed C5 vertebra, and wore a halo for, for the first three months of medical school. And it completely shifted my relationship with my life and with my trajectory into medicine.

What had you been thinking you were going to go into in medical school prior to that?

ER, medicine or surgery? Because I was very driven. I liked the procedural aspect. I liked having the challenge and knowing very clearly at the end of the procedure if it was successful or not. It was very kind of type A linear man.

You didn't pick that area of medicine when this shift happened, did you?

No, I think I went about the opposite direction.

You could go, all right, so here you are in medical school wearing a halo with a C, C5, C6 fracture. Something in there.

Yeah.

And then what happens?

Well, then, you know, it just didn't. The way I had been living my life didn't make any sense. First and foremost, I had a completely new relationship with myself. These kinds of experiences, you know, crisis precedes transformation every time. So it was a bit of a worldview self view crisis. And I recognized that I had been so driven in high school and in college. I didn't really enjoy either very much because I was such a perfectionist, 4.0, captain of the team, academical American, you know, all across the board. But it was so intense. And after I broke my neck, I realized, you know, I can make straight A's and like really be a gunner or I can ease off the gas pedal, really start enjoying life. And there was a humanistic component to my life that started to surface. I really started to engage my relationships in a much more present oriented way. And that's essentially what drew me to psychiatry and neurology because psychiatry is more relationally focused. And then after a brain injury, I got more curious about brain recovery medicine. And unfortunately at the time, neurologists that I was working with and all my teaching physicians, we didn't have. This was 20 years ago. I'm kind of dating myself a little bit. But we didn't really have much in regards to neurocognitive restoration after a head injury. It was mostly like, go home, rest up. We hope it gets better.

Well, it's only gotten marginally better marginally.

Over the last 10 years. Right. And it's surprisingly slow. But I think we're hit. I think we're getting to that flashpoint, that tipping point in medicine.

Gosh, I hope so. And it's. We need, we need you out there because they need to understand that you can heal your brain. And there is a lot that you can do about it. So let's dive into that now that you've been at this for what, 15 years or so?

Yeah, close to 20.

Yeah. So what are someone's. First of all, I think what people don't realize is that when you hit your head, you hurt your brain. And they think that maybe you have to get knocked out to actually have a brain injury. So let's even start with like, how do you know if you've, if you've injured your brain?

Great question. And many people don't because of what you just said. You know, we have the idea that you, you need to have some massive blackout time or you need to be in a coma, or you need to have like some massive level of medical support in order to treat head trauma. And that's not the case. Most traumatic brain injuries are mild. And many people are walking around with the neurological consequences of head injuries without being fully aware. And the symptoms are insidious. They kind of like, you know, they start low and they just kind of creep in. Usually post concussive syndrome is essentially problems with attention, focus, concentration, mood, sleep, your basic executive functions. That is persistent over a long period of time after a head injury. And so essentially that looks like a bruise that never fully heals. And that area in the brain is cognitively impaired, it's physiologically impaired. And it may also include emotional and psychological ramifications of it too, especially if it was a really traumatic event like a domestic violence or a near death experience or something that like really instills into the system a fear component connected to it.

I sat at the dinner table with people because, you know, when you start to look at it, we've all hit our head. You know, I've. I was in a car accident, blacked out. I was in another accident where I nearly blacked out and had to go to like, you start to think, and that's common and we don't even think about them. And then they become cumulative. Your body's a history book. So when you start to think about it, so many of these symptoms are, what we've considered are kind of normal. You wonder how many of these symptoms are. You know, we're telling people they have add. Maybe it's just, maybe it's just the repercussions of a, of a traumatic brain injury.

Yeah, or some Kind of cognitive neurological insult like an infection or inflammation. Something's causing the brain to be inflamed, and it's therefore impairing all of its downstream functions. And the brain's a really. It's a Pandora's box. It's really a fascinating area of medicine. That's kind of one of the reasons I study it. And the severity of a brain trauma doesn't always predict its success in healing like some. You can take somebody with a severe injury, coma, etc. And they can come out and do better than somebody else who had a mild injury. So the severity doesn't predict success.

Yeah, my son's a great example. I mean, here's a person who had to learn everything all over again. Didn't know who he was. So I'm just gonna make that assumption that we've all heard our brain at some point. I mean, I think that's the safe thing, so.

And it's a cool thing to assume too, because the things that help the brain heal also help the brain optimally function. So if everybody just assumed that you had neurological kind of, you know, challenges and. Or it's particularly if there's the symptoms of problems with depression, anxiety, insomnia, you know, the more the mood psychiatric arena or even adhd, autistic spectrum. If you just do the things that are neurologically optimizing function, then they secondarily heal the traumas and then you. It's a net win.

Yeah. And they protect you from if you get hit again, which knows yet you never know when that's gonna happen. So it's best just be prepared. So let's talk about some of those strategies that you can use to help heal and injure brain and just make a good brain better.

Mm. I like always starting with the basics. You know, we're. We're all made of the same kind of cosmic dust, so to speak. The physiologic makeup. So starting with the basics, let's look at the five primary supporters for life. Water, light, oxygen, food and energy. And if we look at the technologies that support that water, that's everything from hydration to flotation. Flotation therapy. I'm a huge proponent of flotation therapy because it's so helpful for helping people get centered and stress our body.

Joe Polish. We were talking about our buddy earlier and he had me go to go and do a float session.

Awesome. What do you think?

You know, it was very interesting. I'd like to come back and do it again now that I started meditating. And I've done 40 years then because I, when I was first going to, I'm like, oh my gosh, 50 minutes with no. Like, are you kidding?

And what am I going to do?

Yeah, what am I going to do in there for that amount of time? And after the first 20 minutes where I was just like all over the place fighting myself, then I got completely into it, then all of a sudden it was over. It was crazy because, you know, 20 minutes was forever. And then I don't know where the other 30 minutes went.

Yeah, it's a great summary statement when you, when you compare it to meditation, it's like meditation on steroids. And to have the ability to self reflect, drop in center and then to have that neuroendocrine reset because most people are walking around in sympathetic overdrive. And stress, stress is the number one predictor of chronic disease. When we can use a methodology that has no downside, there's no negative impact for flotation therapy. Anybody can float. Doesn't matter how big you are, old you are, if you're on medications, if you're fit, not fit, etc. Anybody can float. So I geek out on these kind of technologies that have such a benefit to risk ratio and they support the evolution of our kind of coming back to that more healthful neurologic state of more of a parasympathetic tone, rest and relaxation. So that's just water therapy and then light therapy are everything from sunlight, vitamin D getting out in full exposure so that we can optimize vitamin D levels. And vitamin D is a pro hormone and it helps support all the other hormones to cold lasers and far infrared technologies and near infrared technologies. And that's a whole other discussion. But suffice it to say, light therapy has been utilized for decades. Most of the research is European and Russian and still There are like 11,000 case reports and studies to be able to refer to light therapy. Coming into the third one. We were talking about this earlier in regards to oxygen. Most people breathe shallow. That's also related to sympathetic tone, stressed response. And hyperbaric oxygen therapy is one of those technologies that's very good for acute brain trauma and it's also good for chronic brain repair. There was a really awesome study that showed after a stroke, three to six months after stroke, there was still significant benefit in doing hyperbaric oxygen therapy. And so we don't think about HBOT as a cognitive enhancement tool or a brain recovery tool, but it is. And I think it was one of those things that could have Been used in Grant's protocol in the acute hospital setting.

If I could have talked him into it.

Right, right after.

But they. No way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. The minute we got him out of the hospital, it was like, game on. But we, we had to, I don't know if you know the story. I mean, we had to sneak fish oil in. My gosh, it was, you know, I.

Saw that on the video. Right. How, how phenomenally, how ridiculous is that? Sneak fish oil in.

Oh, the, they, the, the board. And they absolutely said no way they would only let him have 2 grams.

That is ludicrous.

Yep. Yes, it is. Yeah. So there. So you think hyperbaric? Not a chance.

Right, right. Well, and this is what we want to do more and more is to bring this kind of science and the relevant research and this is the nature of the book on concussion recovery. What are the latest scientific validated tools and technologies for repairing the brain? So the first chapter, and there's the primary therapies or primal therapies, when you look at water, light, oxygen, the next one is food. So there's a whole neurological implication to the food that you eat being clean, organic, fat based, or you could call that now more ketogenic and appreciating that the digestive system is the second brain. And when it's inflamed, it affects the neuroendocrine system and all of the neurohormones and neurochemical cascade patterns in the brain. For example, most of the serotonin in the body is produced and stored in the gut, not the brain. So when people talk about feeling like crap, it's because maybe they're eating crap and their digestive systems inflamed. And then that fifth one is energy, or specifically pulse electromagnetic field technologies. But that, you know, those are also based in like Chinese medicine technologies, meriting systems, acupuncture systems, doing qigong, and these kinds of energy practices that do engender more energy in the system. Because after a brain trauma, the master glands are affected, the pituitary, hypothalamus and pineal. And those master glands affect the rest of the body, the rest of the glands, the rest of the systems downstream. So oftentimes we need to bring more energy into the system, but it needs to be coherent energy. And so one of the things after brain trauma is it's really important to find a safe, quiet, calm place to heal. And that includes distance from really intense use of electronic devices, being on the computer or the cell phones all the time. There's a hypersensitivity in the system. We also need to increase the amount of coherent energy coming into the system that can be used for healing.

You know, wouldn't it be better if everyone was lowering all of that technology? But, I mean, this is Biggie. We just actually did a podcast on this because it is huge.

It's huge. It's bigger than smoking ever was in the 50s and 60s.

Yes.

Because it's so insidious, it's affecting everybody. And the cultural evolution of our relationship with technology is far surpassing our neurological evolution and ability to compensate for that. That electrical insult into the nervous system. Like, we haven't evolved our nervous systems to keep up with the technology that we're bombarded with all the time.

So it kind of leads me to that, like, the perfect, beautiful segue to the best things to avoid during the brain recovery phase. And I've got to believe that, you know, I know from helping my son with his traumatic brain injury, that overstimulation, it very much reminded me of when my kids were babies. And, you know, you stimulated them and then you let them recover, and it was the same thing the minute he got into an overstimulating situation. Even, you know, still now, of course, it. It throws him. But, you know, I think we're probably all like this. And so a lot of these things that we should avoid during the brain recovery phase are really just things we should avoid. So what are some of the key ones?

Totally. It's totally true.

And.

And everybody has different levels of sensitivity in their nervous system. And so we're understanding, too, that that's related to psychological profile, constitutional profile, toxicity, and the whole field of nutrigenomics and detoxigenomics and the ability to just detox heavy metals. For example, aluminum. You were talking about that earlier from the system. Aluminum is just horrendously toxic to the neurological system, and it's implicated in Alzheimer's disease. It makes one more susceptible to negative impact after a head injury. So that's not specifically talking about what to avoid. Although, yes, we want to avoid toxicity and the electromagnetic smog, so to speak, or the influence of high EMF fields from computers and cell phones and high lines. And like, one of the. This is just a segue. But one of the most challenging clients I ever consulted with was a guy who run a very successful company for 20 years until he and his wife moved. They just happened to live at the base of a cell phone tower. And over the next 10 years, he developed just horrible neurological conditions. Eventually, what looked like Ms. And was just completely shattered until they moved away. But that was like 10, 15 years ago when people weren't really talking about this stuff. So yeah, it's invisible, but it's still there. So I encourage people to use a gauss meter or some kind of EMF detector in the field to be able to see like, where are the hot spots. If there's somebody in the home that's healing, then those hotspots need to be either removed or remediated and lessened. And there's a whole field of remediation technologies that we won't necessarily go into. But yes, it's great to avoid the bright lights, the bright sounds, the excessive noises, the intense kind of neurological input while the system's healing, as well as avoiding stress to the greatest degree possible. That includes physical, emotional and mental stress. More specifically, number one, the big thing to avoid is any kind of head trauma immediately after a head trauma, particularly in the first few weeks. And that's why the NFL is now buckling down. The NHL, the fighters in the, in the mixed martial arts sports, they have like these mandatory sit out times, which is good, but it's also fairly subjective in the reporting of it. So if players don't want to have to sit out, then they may not report the symptoms that are happening. Of course, in fighting, your job is to like give the other guy a concussion. It's just a really barbaric sport and therefore it's obvious to see if somebody got knocked out and they're okay, great, you're not fighting again, you're not in the ring for another six weeks. In football you can kind of see that. In hockey you can kind of see that if somebody's just splayed out on the field. But the low grade chronic TBIs that happen like, you know, five or six times a game on average oftentimes don't get reported. So it's even more important to bring on board all the supplements and the neurocognitive protectors to help alleviate the potential that, that those ongoing small head traumas are going to turn into a bigger.

It just seems like that should be standard. Course it should be standard. Everyone doing sports should be on fish oil and curcumin. I mean just, you just should be on these things.

So, and that's, that's something else we could just highlight if it makes sense for your audience. Is that the five things to take immediately after, yes, great, head trauma, great. And then I'll just, I'll just wrap up with that. Last thing to avoid is something that, you know really well. Which is a high sugar diet immediately after brain trauma. It's even most important to be off of sugar because sugar is super inflammatory to the brain and to the entire neurologic system.

I can't really think of a time. It's good to be on it, but that's especially time.

And then so we switch. That's a really good time to switch to something like ketogenic, high fats, high nourishing foods. And then, you know, that's a whole other conversation. But the things to take immediately afterwards would be the one that you mentioned. Curcumin. Excellent. Fish oil. Excellent. And CBD or cannabidiols. Excellent.

Yeah. That's what we've been using with Grant for years now.

Absolutely imperative. Those are the first two that I recommend to everybody. CBD and fish oil.

Yeah, those were the things. Cbd, fish oil and intrathecal stem cells have been the things that we saw along with meditation. The biggest changes from.

I could see that being the case for sure. And, and if meditation is hard, then using gamified platforms like the Muse or getting into the float tank and being able to stack the therapies because the more you float, the more it stacks, the, the experience and the benefits outside the tank.

That's fantastic. I'm going to get Grant floating. I didn't even think of that.

Yeah. And then try to do something like CBD before the float because it calms the nervous system to be able to drop in quicker.

Okay.

Yeah.

Fantastic.

Other things to take would be vitamin D. It's a pro hormone antioxidant. Glutathione is the major brain antioxidants in the system. And it gives so many repair factors to the brain.

Yeah, we actually did. When he got the aluminum toxicity, we took him in and started doing glutathione pushes. Uh huh.

Great. As well.

So important for everyone to listen to because they don't do this in the hospital. We actually were doing vitamin D. And the other critical thing, especially since the injuries, is vitamin D with some K to make sure that you're directing calcium to the right places. But don't, don't look for the doctors and hospitals to be doing this.

No.

Yeah.

We just, we're not taught. Unfortunately we're not taught in medical school and it's even just now coming online in the whole functional medicine arena, teaching physicians for CME credits and it's slowly coming on. So I think, you know, like with any big institution it takes eons for it to change. But I do think, because of the advent of Internet and the availability to share information as you're doing with your platform and having this grassroots movement, I think we're going to see a tipping point point in the field of neurology.

I sure hope so.

I am.

I'm out there doing my part because I don't want right after what happened with my son. And you know, the doctor at the first hospital told us to let our son go. And a couple months later another child died there. And I was actually trying to get to the parents to say, hey, get him out of this hospital because, you know, not the place, you know, they just were like, oh, he's too far gone, it's not worth it. I'm like, well he's still here, so it's worth, worth fighting for. And I think every parent would agree with that. So I know that you have some cool stuff because you just downloaded a lot of information quickly and remind everyone, of course we do have the show notes so you'll be able to grab those. But we also have some cool checklists and guides for you that you've provided. So tell everyone what you've got for everybody.

Yeah, the first one is a bit of a summary statement on some of the things that we already mentioned which are like the primary things to do, to take and to avoid immediately after head trauma. And that's what I call the CREAM or the concussion repair manual, the acronym cream, CRM, the cream checklist. So I'll send you that over and that'll be just a nice kind of one page summary statement.

Excellent. And you can get that jjvirgin.com Dr.

DrDrDan Dr. Dan and then the second one is the top 10 brain and mood foods guide and is essentially looking at particularly. I think it'll be helpful for your audience because you're so integrated into optimal nutrition as it up levels all physiology. And so how does that apply to brain health and recognizing that these foods are good for repairing the brain, they're also good for optimizing the brain and they're also good for protecting the brain for any future insults.

And I really want to stress that because it's so you might be listening, thinking, I don't have a brain injury. First of all, when you start to find, look at how many people, 1.7 million people have a brain injury a year, I think it's way higher. I think people don't realize that they actually suffered one because we don't really identify them well yet. And then 5 million people at any time are disabled because of Them. And so this is something that you can't. You know, you. You probably. Unless you're a boxer, you can't really say, I'm gonna go get a brain injury today. So you really want to be doing everything you can to protect your brain. And having gone through this, boy, I can't emphasize that enough. So I really appreciate everything that you're doing out there. I want to remind everyone to go to jjvirgin.com forward/doctor dan to grab that cool stuff. And I want to thank you so much, not just for being here today, but for this. Just being such a pioneer out there. I know this is when you go out and take bold stands like you're doing out there. I know you probably get some flack. So I super appreciate your courage.

Yes, you're very welcome. Thanks for that mirror, too. It's good work. You know, and we just. We're charged. Just like you were charged through your son's recovery process. We just. We have a light and a passion for this kind of stuff, and I couldn't imagine doing anything else.

All right, I appreciate that. Now, after the break, I'll be answering a listener's question, so stay with me. One of the number one reasons people have food intolerances is due to a leaky gut. But when taking out the offending foods and replacing them with healing foods isn't working fast enough for you, what can you do? This is where JJ Virgin's leaky Gut support formula comes in. This blend of therapeutic nutrients promotes proper intestinal function, helps heal ulcers, reduces inflammation, and supports regular bowel function. If you're struggling with gas and bloating, food intolerances, or any other digestive unrest, visit jjvirgin.comproducts today and give JJ's leaky gut support a try. Alrighty. Welcome back. Now, this is the time where I answer a listener's question. And today's question comes from Kevin in Santa Rosa. And he asked jj, what was the most important thing that you did in helping your son recover from his traumatic brain injury? Now, I get a lot of questions about what I've done to help my son. And I must tell you that I have to do the big shout out to our whole family, especially Grant's dad, John Virgin, who has just been a saint in helping Grant get through all of this. Just incredible. And his brother Bryce, who has been so supportive. But I think if I was going to choose the one thing that really helped Grant get through this, I would tell you that the single most important thing was our Collective mindset and decision that he was going to be 110% and to continue searching for answers. I mean, as you heard today from Dr. Dan Engel, there's so many things that you can do out there to heal your brain, and the brain, you know, you can always heal. So I know that we even come close to exhausting all of the different therapies out there. So that was the thing that I. Probably the most critical element of that was that it gave me hope. It gave Grant hope, gave all of us hope. But just that decision that we were going to. I was going to go out there as this warrior mom and fight for my son to be better than before. And that's a big shift. You know, if you listen to Dr. Dan Engel, he talked about diving into off of. Off a dock, into a sandbar and breaking his neck and talking offline with him. He talks about how that was the most important thing really, that happened to him. It changed the whole trajectory of his career. So that's what I've really been focusing on here is what can we do to get Grant to be 110%? There's so many options out there, and things like fish oil and CBD and stem cells into a spine have been, you know, so incredible for helping him. But I know that we are not done yet. But I also know that there's a bigger component, and I think this is critical, too. And the bigger component is now that we know these things, what can we do to pass them on, to share, to help others benefit? And that's probably the most healing thing of all. If you're at a place where you're down, you're having your own pity party, I find when I get to that state, because we all do, that, the single thing I can do to help turn that around is to go out and look at what I can do to help someone else. And that contribution always helps build back that confidence. All right, now, if you'd like to submit a question, just head over to my Facebook page at JJ Virgin official. I hang out a bunch there. I do Facebook lives every week on my show. Or you can do instagram or pinterest. Leave a question there. We always look for the questions that fit in well with the show. So obviously, this one today was just perfect. Now, gratitude. This is the gratitude portion of the show. This is where I jump on and look at the itunes reviews and read one. And by the way, the whole team reads them and they we all so appreciate. This is kind of how we get our our grade. So I'm going to read this one from CC8462. Looks like her name is Christina. Christina. Thank you for the encouragement. Explanation points 5 stars says JJ. I love your podcasts. I love that they are short and sweet. I just listened to the podcast on Forgiveness with Danielle that was Danielle Laporte. How did you know I needed this message and and no bad words today. I'm motivated this morning to keep going with my goals.

Alrighty.

Love that and love all of those comments on our iTunes podcast and love the shares and I so appreciate all all of that. And again with everything that I do here, I strive to give you information that is actionable, that you can take, listen to and put into fast action. Now again I want to remind you, pick up the show notes because we do awesome show notes but also jjvirgin.com Dr. Dan, you can grab those cheat sheets and handouts that Dr. Dan talked about today so that you can take this information because you never know when you're going to hit your head and you probably already hit it a couple of times. So everything you can do to have your brain be better is going to make your life better. So get yourself into action. Alrighty. Thanks so much for tuning in and thanks so much for sharing. Make it a great week. Bye Bye.

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