How to Cook for Optimal Thyroid Function & Unlimited Health with Dr. Izabella Wentz

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Welcome to the JJ Virgin Lifestyle show with celebrity nutrition expert, Fitness hall of Famer and four time New York Times best selling author, JJ Virgin. JJ is a warrior mom whose knowledge and expertise have helped change hundreds of thousands of lives. With over 3.5 million podcast downloads and appearances on Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, the Today Show, Rachael Ray, Larry King Love Whoa, whoa, whoa.

This show is about you, not about me. I want to help you find practical, real world ways to dial in your health and mindset so you can finally lose that weight and feel strong and energized. Stop settling for less than your personal best. It's time to find out how to look and feel better than ever. And I'll be right here with you the whole way. Welcome to today's show. Today we're talking food. I know you always love to hear about food and I have such a great guest to be diving into how to cook if you've got Hashimoto's thyroiditis. And really this is going to be how to cook if you've got an autoimmune disease. And really this is going to be how to cook if you want unlimited health. So this is for everybody. And I've got the perfect guest. My buddy, Dr. Isabella Wentz is back. And let me tell you a little bit about is if you don't know her, I bet if you've you do if you've been around my community because she's a good buddy and I love to support her in all of her work because it's brilliant. She is a pharmacist and she got diagnosed with autoimmune thyroiditis. Gosh. In pharmacy. I guess she was either in pharmacy school or just graduated and got super duper sick and no one could figure it out. I mean, gaining weight, sleeping all the time, losing her hair, it was awful. But it ended up that she made lemonade out of this because she went and really searched out what the heck was going on with her and how could she fix it. And from that she has become a leading expert in Hashimoto's. She's a two times New York Times bestselling author and most recently a number one New York Times bestselling author for Hashimoto's Protocol. And now she's back coming out with Hashimoto's Food Pharmacology, which is a cookbook devoted to amazing, yummy recipes that will help you heal your Hashimoto's. And here's what's super cool. This is just great food and great for everybody. As you start to hear some of these recipes and some of the top food she's eating, you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, I need this. And I also kind of talked her in before we got on the got on the interview. I was like, can you give out some recipes to the community? So you'll be able to grab some recipes? Get started right away. I'm going to tell you you want to grab this cookbook, Hashimoto's Food Pharmacology, but you'll be able to grab some recipes right away. Jjvirgin.com thyroidpharmacist so you'll definitely want to do that too. Now I have to do a shout out. I don't have to do a shout out. I get to do a shout out. And I love this so much. My most favorite thing is reading these reviews and then doing shout outs because we all over here at the JJ Virgin Lifestyle show, you know, it takes a village to do these things. Appreciate this so much. Literally, when you're recording these things, you're like, is anyone listening out there now? I know they are, but based on the downloads. But boy, we sure appreciate the kudos here. And also I just want to remind you, if you haven't left a review yet, gosh, we would so appreciate it. And while you're there, be sure you subscribe so you never miss an awesome, awesome episode. All right, so this is. Love this podcast. 5 star review by Crafted Battleminer. I would love to know the story behind that name. Crafted Battle Miner. And Crafted Battle Miner says, I've just discovered this podcast at 39 and I've learned so much. I am learning so much about health and wellness. I've learned that feeding my mind consistently and focusing on health tips. Health helps me enjoy the good things and turn down the not so good. The sad, sad foods that stands for Standard American Diet, if you didn't know I used to enjoy aren't even appealing. Well, there's a win. I love that. That was my little add in. Thanks for the awesome show and information. Well, thank you so much. Crafted battle miner. Again, I'd love to know what that. I want to know the story behind that one. I super appreciate it. And again, big reminder, if you haven't done so yet, be sure to subscrib to the show so you never miss an awesome episode. Dr. Isabella Wentz. Welcome back. Yay, you're here.

Hi, JJ. It's so fun to be here with you again.

I know I haven't talked to you for a while because you've been in the throes of motherhood. I have.

I have. We have an adorable little baby boy. His name is Dimitri, and he is he. We call him boss baby because he really. He really has changed our life for the better and is just the most adorable little thing and become really kind of the center of our universe at the moment.

Yep. Well, that's what babies do. Yes. And maybe one day when he sleeps, we'll get to hang out again, so. But meanwhile, while all of that was going on, you managed to give birth to a new book, too. I can't believe it. You are a little bit crazy, my friend.

Oh, my goodness. You don't even know how crazy I am. I was six months pregnant writing this book, trying to test out recipes. My big belly was getting in the way of my kitchen. And it's quite funny because there's a lot of recipes that were inspired by my pregnancy cravings. So we've got a lot of really great recipes for women with thyroid conditions, especially ones that have nutrient deficiencies in iron, because a lot of times pregnant women and women with thyroid conditions have the same types of deficiencies. So the book is actually full of really, really nourishing recipes. And part of that is thanks to my little baby boy.

Well, see, it actually was a perfect time to write, and it's called Hashimoto's Food Pharmacology. It was a perfect time to write it. Now, let's back up a little bit for the, like, five people listening. Not that there's five people listening. There's tens of thousands. But for the five people who haven't heard of you. How did you get into this in the first place?

So, in full disclosure, I'm a pharmacist by training, but I was never interested in Hashimoto's or the thyroid during pharmacy school. I just thought if somebody had a thyroid condition, you either give them more thyroid hormone or you try to suppress their body's production of thyroid hormone. I didn't realize how complicated it was, and I didn't realize that there were so many natural strategies and so many lifestyle changes that you can do in addition to medications. Until I was diagnosed myself with Hashimoto's, the leading cause of hypothyroidism right after pharmacy school. This was after almost a decade of debilitating fatigue, anxiety, panic attacks, hair loss, you know, weight gain. You name the symptom, I had it. And I did get started on thyroid medications, but they helped a little bit, but not all the way. So I went from sleeping 12 hours a night to 11 hours a night, and I still had all these carpal tunnel symptoms, irritable bowel symptoms. I still was losing my hair by the handfuls. And so I wanted to figure out what I could do to make myself better. And that's how I became a, I guess, Hashimoto's thyroid expert, slash human guinea pig, really working to try to get myself better and hoping that I would find some solutions. And once I did, once I got my own health back, I felt like I really couldn't keep this to myself. And I really needed a shout from the rooftops about all the different things we can do. And it's. You know, I say thyroid conditions are complicated, but getting your health back doesn't have to be.

So you have just, like, when you look at it, you have the perfect, perfect background and story to be able to help people. Because having that whole understanding of pharmacology and then going through this yourself, I mean, I know it's probably wasn't like your life's dream to have that happen, but, you know, it really is benefiting so many people. It's fantastic. And I know when we were first. When we first met, I didn't realize this, that for most women, if they have thyroid disease, they probably have Hashimoto's. So what? Like, dive in a little bit deeper about what Hashimoto's thyroiditis really is. Why there's, you know, how. How big of a issue is it out there? And why is it an issue? Why is it happening? Wow.

You know, so when I got diagnosed with Hashimoto's, I came home and I told my husband, Michael, and he said, what's that? It sounds like really rare or exotic or is that a Japanese sword fighter?

Right.

It just sounds like it would be a very rare condition. And in fact, it's a very common condition. It's the most common autoimmune condition. We were looking at rates of about 20 to maybe even 30% of people in the United States having this condition.

And.

And 90 to 97% of those who have a thyroid condition or take thyroid medications such as Synthroid, Levoxal, Levothyroxine actually have Hashimoto's, but the chances are that they haven't been tested for it or if they have been tested, they haven't been tested properly. And so most of them are told that they have an underactive thyroid, that they have a sluggish thyroid. Some of them are told that they're crazy, that they're just lazy or, you know, they're just getting older. Right. Or that they have a fork to mouth syndrome issue where they're eating.

Oh, I love that.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Yeah.

And this condition is so, so common. It leads to the body recognizing the thyroid gland as a foreign invader, launching attack against the thyroid gland, which eventually leads to the body not being able to produce enough thyroid hormone. Most people don't get diagnosed for at least a decade from this time they have symptoms until the time their doctor confirms that they have a thyroid disease.

I just don't get that. I don't understand that.

It's mind boggling and it's very, very unfortunate because majority of those diagnosed that are affected are women. So we're looking for every man that gets diagnosed. Four to five women do as well. And hormonal changes can bring this upon pregnancy. Puberty, perimenopause are some of the top three times when a woman may be diagnosed and may start having those symptoms.

Yep, that's. Well, for mine it was when my son Grant got hit. That's when everything just went sideways.

I'm so sorry you went through that. And stress is such a huge, huge part of the puzzle.

So if someone's suspecting, give us the symptoms that would make someone suspect and then what should they ask for? Now I know in your Hashimoto's protocol, which you really, everyone wants to have this book as well, it helps you really understand what's going on and what you should look for. But just basically now we'll put that all in the show notes. What are some of the things that make you suspect that you have an issue and then what should you ask your doctor to test for?

Yeah. So the top three things that people complain about when they have a thyroid condition would be weight gain, they might have fatigue, so they have trouble getting out of bed, or you know, even if after sleeping 10 hours they're, they're not going to feel well rested. And then the third one is going to be brain issues. So this could be memory loss. This could be depression. This could be mood swings. And then the other symptoms that are commonly going to occur are going to be dry skin, hair loss, a loss of the upper third of the eyebrow. There might be some joint pains, muscle pains. Really the thyroid gland manages our metabolism and our warmth production in the body. So really, a lack of thyroid hormone can affect every single body system from our digestive capabilities. We might have constipation, we might have acid reflux, we might have diarrhea, we might have bloating to all the way to things like having tremors and cold intolerance where we just are colder than the average person. We might need to wear, you know, two sweaters and a scarf when other people are wearing maybe just one long sleeve shirt or a T shirt.

And what tests should they, should people.

Ask their doctors for the most common test? If you have a suspicion that you have a thyroid condition, most doctors will just run the TSH test. This is great for very advanced cases of thyroid disease, but unfortunately, in the first five, 10 years of when we have this condition, that test might miss the condition. So we also want to ask for thyroid antibodies. These are going to be thyroid peroxidase antibodies. You could write it down as TPO antibodies and thyroglobulin antibodies, which are TG antibodies. And then we're also looking at levels of T3 and T4, which are the active thyroid hormones in the body. So if you do TSH, TPO, TG antibodies, T4 and T3, if you write that down and hand it to your doctor, this is going to be a comprehensive thyroid panel that's more likely to uncover that you have a thyroid condition than all of these other than just the TSH test alone. And unfortunately, I see women time and time again, they say that they had their thyroid tested and it was normal and it's because their doctors didn't.

Dr. Yes. Yep, yep. And we will put in the resources too, because we've been working with Dr. Alan Hopkins, so we have resources where you can do direct to consumer lab testing on this. So if you don't have a doctor who will order this stuff, we've got you covered on that, which I think is important. Now, I know that you use food extensively to heal. So, like, it was kind of the logical next step to do this cookbook, which I'm really excited about. And for everybody listening, you're going to get some recipes today to get started with. So I want you to get the cookbook, but you won't have to wait a minute for that cookbook. To come tell us about this cookbook and how it's different from a lot of the other things out there.

So when I set out to do this cookbook, I really wanted to provide a comprehensive guide to people on how to succeed with food. A lot of times, unfortunately, I'll see people who start on a diet, and then they say, well, I failed this diet. And it could be because they didn't have the right tools and resources. So they didn't have those guidelines. They didn't have the recipes they needed to get started. And so this book provides recipes and guidelines and details on how to incorporate this into your life, how to deal with unsupportive people, how to batch cook, how to kind of hack the system so that eating this way becomes easier than not eating this way. The other things that the cookbook contains, it contains nutrition protocols. So another reason why I commonly see people don't feel great on an optimal diet is because they're not utilizing nutrients properly and they're not utilizing digestive enzymes properly. So many times, people with thyroid disease are going to have a lack of digestive enzymes. This could be protein digestive enzymes, fat digestive enzymes, or carbohydrate digestive enzymes. And I go through how to figure out which of these you might have and what to do about them. And then another common thing that we see is nutrient deficiencies. And what many people don't realize is when we're eating a dietary protocol, we may actually worsen some of our nutrient deficiencies. A lot of times, people get certain nutrients, like folate, from processed foods. Right. And so we're going to have to address this differently if we're not eating processed foods any longer.

So let's talk about these recipes, because I think with a lot of people, especially as they're starting to heal, the last thing I want to do is go spend a bunch of time in the kitchen.

Exactly.

And I've never heard ever. Isabella, and I'm sure, you know, you agree, like, could you just make some complicated recipes so I can spend more time in the kitchen?

I have friends that love spending time in the kitchen. And don't get me wrong, I love entertaining, and I love cooking. I love spending time in the kitchen. And my family and friends and everybody that I've had over loves my recipes, and they're always asking me for recipes. But at the same time, as a new mom and having a history of being extremely fatigued, I didn't have the time to do all this cooking for four or five hours a day. To create this perfect meal. And so all of the recipes I have in here are going to be very straightforward and it's going to be how to simplify your life. So how to incorporate this into your life on a day to day basis using shortcuts. So we've got pressure cooker recipes, we've got slow cooker recipes. We minimize things like chopping and dicing and shaving and all these fancy things.

Right.

I do have some recipes about 10%. If you're really trying to impress your guests at a dinner party, that will be a little bit more steps. But most of the recipes are going to be very, very straightforward and very tasty too.

All right, tempt us a little bit.

Well, one of the recipes I have is paella. Now paella is a Spanish dish. It's naturally going to be gluten free and dairy free. This is something that can be done very easily. So what we do is we just get some rice, we get some bone broth and then throw in some seafood, a few different vegetables, and then we, after we prepare the rice, we just bake that. And this is a great meal that keeps well for a few days. This could feed an army of guests as well too. And this is one of the recipes that we will cook for parties. And it's so, so simple.

You have not invited me over to a party yet. I just want to throw that out there. So. And all right now, beyond food, what else should, should people be thinking about that they should be doing beyond food if they have Hashimoto's.

So my, my big recommendation is to look at what your root causes may be. And this is going to be basically you can summarize it into food sensitivities, nutrient depletions, intestinal permeability, and we address these things right here in the cookbook. And then we're also looking at our stress response. So making sure that we're getting the proper self care for ourselves and we're working on reducing our stress. We're making sure we're getting plenty of sleep and doing things like yoga, meditation, knitting or whatever relaxes you. And then also we're going to be thinking about some of the more advanced things might be things like chronic infections. This is something I recommend working with a, with a doctor on.

All right, now you are giving out some yummy recipes to everybody. First of all, you're going to want this cookbook. And honestly looking at these recipes, you're going to want this cookbook. It works. So it works for your whole family. And that's what's super cool. And I think we need to emphasize is A, these are easy recipes. B, they don't use weird ingredients. See, they are delicious. And just like you talked about with the paella, you can make these and everyone's gonna love it. It's not like, oh my gosh, she has to eat over there because she's got Hashimoto's. Right. That's super important for people to get. And you're giving away some recipes so that people can get started right away. I'm gonna put in the show notes, a link to grab the book Hashimoto's Food Pharmacology. But we are also going to give you the recipes, a couple recipes to get started with right away and you can get those at jjvirgin.com forward/thyroidpharmacist jjvirgin.com forward slash thyroidpharmacist. But I'm not letting you off the hook yet. What I would love is for you to list out, let's say, a couple of your favorite superfoods that you've incorporated into two recipes that just really make a big difference that people should start to think about adding into their life. I always like to add before I take away. So which foods would you tell people to add into their daily diet?

One of the foods that I really love utilizing is going to be bone broth. And this is something that can be really easily made. I have a quick recipe that takes basically five minutes to prepare and you just throw all the ingredients in a slow cooker and you can take a nap or go shopping or do whatever you like to do and come back and there's going to be delicious bone broth stewing in your slow cooker. And this is going to be helpful for energy levels. This is going to be helpful for your skin elasticity. So you're going to get rid of that dry skin. This is going to make your hair shinier, it's going to make your nails stronger. It's also going to help reduce any kind of joint pains that people might have from thyroid conditions. And it's going to help with sealing up the leaky gut intestinal permeability that we commonly see. What's crazy is that using food as medicine has I did an extensive outcomes research survey with people a few years back and bone broth was one of the top interventions for helping people feel better. And it was pretty close in competition with even thyroid medications. Another thing that I really love are going to be green smoothies. So green smoothies are going to Help again with our hair, with our digestion. They're going to give us more energy. We're not going to be, we're not going to be utilizing all of our energy to digest foods. A lot of times people with thyroid disease have poor digestion and so when we blend things into a smoothie, we get all these foods that are sort of pre digested, pre chewed, so they're much more easier to absorb and we get this burst of nutrients and we also don't have to do all that work to get that yummy goodness inside of us.

I love that. I'm a big smoothie fan, as you know.

Oh yeah.

All right, one more.

The other thing that I really love to incorporate into the diet are going to be berries. So there is something, there's a sugar type myo inositol and this is going to be something that has research shown to reduce the thyroid stimulating hormone, the TSH, and reduce the thyroid antibodies. It also helps with managing anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, as well as blood sugar issues. And berries are actually a rich source of that. Their richest source is going to be blueberries. So I try to incorporate a lot of berries into, into the various meals. So we've got blueberry topped pancakes, we have blueberry smoothies, and we have various types of baked goods that made it into the cookbook because I was pregnant. And one of them is an autoimmune version of a berry pie that has become a family favorite.

What's the crust?

It's actually cassava flour.

Awesome.

Yes.

Hopefully that will be in the recipes that you're including because I kind of want to do that now. So I love some berry pie with some coconut whipped cream like that. Sounds delicious. Awesome. So I want to remind everybody you can grab some recipes right away and you'll also be able to get a link straight to grab the book@jjvirgin.com ThyroidPharmacist and Isabella, it is so awesome to talk to you and have you on the show and drop all this wisdom. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much for having me, jj and for everybody at home, thank you for listening and taking charge of your own health.

Yes. That is what my audience does. That is we have really built a community who are focused on being the CEOs of their healthcare, who understand that they have to basically create their care and then bring in the appropriate consultants to help them on their way. So I know it fits in exactly with how you've developed your programs and lived your life too. So we're all in sync.

I love it. The only way to be.

Yep. Now, after the break, I'll be answering a listener's questions, so stay with me.

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Welcome back. This is the time where I answer listeners questions. So Suzanne says, jj, I'm trying to eat healthier, but I just don't have the time to cook. What do I do? All right, so I love this question. I brought it on to this episode because here you have Dr. Isabella Wentz with the baby cooking. And I will tell you that, you know, I run three businesses. I must be crazy. And of course take care of a very cute little furry six pound dog and my hubby and you know, got my two boys. Granted, they have left the nest, but there's you still doesn't mean they've left your heart. And there's still always work to do. So I'm busy. The bottom line, what I'm trying to say is I'm busy as we all are. And again, there are those few people out there who like, want to Hang out in the kitchen all day. I'm not one of them, and I'm guessing you're not either. So people like us are looking for how to both save time and money and be able to cook healthy foods that everyone's going to like. Am I right? Can I get an amen on that? So here's what I do. First of all, I keep my pantry and my freezer well stocked. That saves me. So in my freezer, you are going to find organic frozen cauliflower, rice, and a lot of different clean proteins. Lamb, grass fed beef, pastured pork, pastured chicken, wild halibut, wild salmon. So that's all in my freezer. And grass fed ground beef. So I have grass fed ground beef and grass fed fillets. So those are all the things that I keep in my freezer. Oh, I also keep in there some peppers and onions and frozen mushrooms. And that's. That's pretty much frozen berries for my shakes. I'm going down. I'm kind of mentally going through my freezer right now. And I put in some frozen avocado bits to throw into smoothies. Okay. Now, in my fridge, in my pantry, I have wild rice, I have brown rice, I have quinoa, I have legumes, I have. Oh, in my freezer too, I have bone broth from chef Lance. So the flavor chef again, in my pantry, I also have some almond flour, coconut flour, all my shakes and fiber and bars. And of course, a ton of my pantry is mainly my supplements, I must admit. And then in my fridge, what I do, what I get fresh are fresh coconut milk and macadamia nut milk. And then every week I get in fresh vegetables, usually broccoli, cauliflower, brussels sprouts, deep green leafies, and then some little potatoes and avocado. And that's about it. Sometimes some berries. So every week I get in some fresh stuff. I also will get in like butternut squash noodles or zoodles. So I play around with those things. And we have some gluten free tortillas. We're kind of into the siete cassava tortillas right now. And some pastured eggs. And we also keep uncured nitrate free bacon and sausage in the freezer as well. So that's what I got. Every week I get fresh produce. That's what you have to get. And I also keep some nut cheeses in the fridge, shredded and creamed kite hill almond, ricotta cheese. So it makes it super easy to put meals together. I start every day with the smoothie. So that's A quick, simple and inexpensive way to go. But I'm going to give you my dinners because that's what makes it easy. Here's what I do, here's the easiest way to do that. We always have some kind of vegetable. So that's broccoli, cauliflower, brussels sprouts. We always do one of those. And then we always do some kind of clean protein chicken or wild fish or grass fed beef or pork. And then we do some kind of slow, low carb. So we could be doing squash or pumpkin or little potatoes where we like to cool them a little bit for the resistant starch. Wild rice I like to blend with cauliflower rice. So that's it. I mean, that's as simple as it goes. What I do is double up the protein so I have some to put in my salad the next day and then I will make, if I'm making wild rice, we make it to have for a couple of nights. So if we're making lentil pasta that we then add in spaghetti, squish pasta, or miracle noodles too, we'll make double to have it for the next day. So we make it simple. And then with the leftovers, we either throw them into salad, throw them into a stir fry or throw them into soup there. So I look at every meal as the base for the next two to three meals. See how simple that was? And that's it. That's my, that's my secret to success. It's easy, it's inexpensive, and anyone can do it. That means you. All right, I will see you next week. I just want to do a little reminder. If you've not subscribed yet, make sure you subscribe. And if you've got friends out there who are also proactive about their health taking charge, make sure you share it with them as well. And I'll see you next time. Bye.

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