How To Get Rid of Toxic Fat with Dr. Susanne Bennett

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Welcome to the JJ Virgin Lifestyle show with celebrity nutrition expert, Fitness hall of Famer and four time New York Times best selling author JJ Virgin. JJ is a warrior mom whose knowledge and expertise have helped change hundreds of thousands of lives with over 3.5 million podcast downloads and appearances on Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, the Today Show, Rachael Ray, Larry King Love Whoa, whoa whoa.

This show is about you, not about me. I want to help you find practical, real world ways to dial in your health and mindset so you can finally lose that weight and feel strong and energized. Stop settling for less than your personal best. It's time to find out how to look and feel better than ever. And I'll be right here with you the whole way. You are going to go crazy for this topic today. It is how to get rid of toxic fat. And yes, we'll be talking all about toxic fat, what the heck it is and really diving deep into detox and why no matter where you live, this is something that you need to pay attention to. I have one of my oldest pals in the functional medicine space with me today. It is Dr. Suzanne Bennett. I've literally known her for like 30 plus years. She's one of the first people I met in LA and we've been friends ever since. So I wanted her to come on because she is really nailed this topic. She is super smart in so many things, but one of her favorite topics is detoxification. So let me tell you a little bit about her. She's a holistic chiropractic physician specializing in allergies, detox, chronic illnesses and energy medicine. She's the number one bestselling author of Mighty Mido and the Seven Day Allergy Makeover. Plus she's a talk show host of the Wellness for Life radio show on radio MD and iHeartradio. And you're gonna hear everything that she's talking about today. I'm gonna encourage you to grab her book Mighty Mighty Mido. But also you'll want to go to the show notes@jj virgin.com Dr. Suzanne and that is Suzanne spelled with an S S U S A N N E because we have really great notes from today's. From today's Talk. And she talks fast, so you'll want the notes plus some gifts that by the time you're done listening to what she's talking about, you're going to go, okay, now what? And she gives. Going to give you the what's next for free. All right. Dr. Suzanne Bennett, welcome to the show. It is about time I got you on.

I love it. Love it.

JJ Funny, it's like you and Mark Sisson. I've known, what, 30 years? I think both of you. And you bet I have to corral you both to get on the show. My goodness. And the subject we're talking about today, detox, is first of all, so darn important, but also, everybody is interested in it. But let's start with you. How did you get interested in it?

You know, a lot of us, including you, of course, we end up working with what we're passionate about after something terrible happens. You know, for my, for myself, I got into detox because of my son, Cody. When Cody was born in 1994, little did I know that he was already toxic when he was in uterine, and he ended up having a great deal of allergies and severe allergies. I'm talking about anaphylaxis and, and skin reactions that were just horrid. He had mold toxicity and heavy metal poisoning. And that's when he, when, when I say in utero, he got heavy metal poisoning from me because I was eating a ton of tuna, you know, during the, the whole pregnancy. And people don't. Back then, 1994, who talked about tuna.

Say, back then, who knew tuna was like a health food back then?

Oh, my God, we all ate it. I mean, like some of my favorite food. And, you know, so what ended up happening was he was severe, severely sick. And I started digging because the doctors, all the things that they were doing just wasn't helping out. So I got into a type of principle, these, this German biological medicine that was developed by Renweg called homotoxicology. And I found that this was the beginning of learning everything about detoxification, how to do it gently for my son. You know, Cody was very young. He was only about a year and a half when we started. And what's nice about homotoxicology are actually formulations based on homotoxicology, which are these homeopathic formulas. They were very gentle, and you can use it very, very small dosages. There weren't a lot of alcohol in it, and you could even put it on the skin. So for a child, it was perfect. And I ended up using a lot of GEMO therapies, which came from Belgium as well. And I got into all forms of, you know, I was a sports doctor, as you probably remember way back. And I just changed my practice into holistic medicine, learning about muscle testing in a multi muscle testing that I developed for many years now. And I test in so many levels. Energetic, physical, the metabolic, emotional, mental, karmic, psychological, spiritual. On the psyche level. I've tested you out. Muscle testing, right? Yes, exactly. And so all of the things that I've accumulated and learned, I've been implementing to work with my patients and my son. Once I started detoxing, it was amazing. The changes in his body, in his brain, his allergies started disappearing. And I incorporated all of that and then some more. And I found out that really the two ways to stop any forms of toxic chemicals from ruining your brain and your health and your life is that you've got to, number one, stop putting it into your body. Stop the exposure, stop the ingesting, inhaling and, and absorbing it through your skin.

Where, where do you think, Suzanne, people are getting the majority of their exposure? Because I, I know and I want to get into everybody's minds right now that people are going, you know, I, you know, I'm, I eat organic, I use, I use organic cleaning products. Right, right. And they think they're okay. So let's like pull back. Let's unfortunately pull back the kimono on this one.

Well, let's go into the, the hidden. The hidden talks.

Right? The stealth.

Yeah, the stealth. Hidden. That just go into your body every single day. Number one, it's actually pollution pollutants that's in the air. And people wonder, I don't ever eat fish. You know, I don't eat seafood, I don't swim in the ocean, I drink purified water. Where am I getting the heavy metals? Well, guess what? It's in our air. Mercury. Especially mercury. You know, so if you live in a city, you walk and you run and you're outdoors, you're sucking it in through your skin, you're breathing it in, you know, and you're even eating it. Even if you eat organic. Think about it. It's in the air, and all the mercury and the byproducts are coming onto our food.

Yeah. It's not like there's a little perfect patch of dirt and air that this has grown in and then it got very carefully transported safely in a bubble. Right. I mean, think about It. Where in the world could someone go that they could be absolutely assured that there would be no toxic exposure?

There's absolutely nowhere. Except. Except I would say a bioreactor. What a bioreactor is, you're completely indoors and it's been purified with the air. Everything has been purified before. You go in like a bubble boy, go do that. Who's gonna do that? There's no place on earth you gotta do your best. I mean, there are. There are things that you can do. And then the second hidden factor, toxic waste dump, is actually your house inside your house. The one thing that we don't realize that we've got, from our furniture to our flooring to our carpet to the chemicals that we do use, the paints that we use are the clothes that you wear. Did you know that enclose itself. There are poisons, toxins, like formaldehyde, curing agents for textiles that go straight into your. Your skin. It goes straight in if you don't wash it first. So there are things in our. In our home that so.

And the one that kills me the most, Suzanne, are baby. The things that we use with babies.

Oh, wow.

You know, where they're really not able to handle, like, it's bad enough us, but then you do something, trying to be a great mom, and you get like the blankets and bedding. Oh, my gosh.

But how about the bed itself? Because they put fire retardant on all these beds. In fact, you actually, if you want to buy a bed, you know, a little crib bed, you've got to have a doctor's order to send it to the company. If you want a mattress that doesn't have fire retardant. And fire retardant, to me, is one of those factors that causes sudden infant. Infant death syndrome. If you've heard of sids, we all know about it. When we're mommies, you know, we're so afraid to turn the baby on the belly and all that. But the truth of the matter is it's because there's chemicals coming out of these mattresses that our kids are being poisoned with.

I mean, the bottom line is they're all around, right? I mean, there's really no avoiding them and there's even when you're trying. And obviously we want to do our best. You don't want to add more, but no way, you know, it's. It's impossible. Impossible to avoid. And what are some people coming into your practice? Because I know you deal a lot with this. What are the most common symptoms when Someone's got toxicity issues.

The most common symptom is fatigue, number one, because when you are exposed to toxins, your mitochondria, those little organelles that produce energy, ATP, those get disrupted. These toxins and chemicals are very, how do I say, Damaging to the mitochondria membrane. So you end up suffering from energy loss. You don't have energy. But there are other symptoms that are like, you got to look out for. For instance, if you have numbness and tingling in your fingers or around your mouth. A lot of my patients who've gone to, let's say, Hawaii, and they eat all sorts of fish and they get. They ate too much and they end up getting mercury toxicity. They get a lot of numbness and tingling within their throat and tongue. You might even have nausea, abdominal pain and cramping, headaches. You could even have like a high palpitation, you know, heart palpitations. Some people have had arrhythmias to the point where they go to the hospital and they say they have atrial fibrillation. You might even have cognitive issues, like you lose your memory. You can't have any. You have trouble understanding words or retrieving words. You end up having all sorts of dizziness. So these are like symptoms that are not like humongous, like severe. You can't feel. It's not like you're going to feel like, I cannot get it out of bed, that type. But little by little, you start to feel like you're sick. Your body doesn't feel good. You're not at your very best. You're not able to do the work that you used to, and you cannot exercise. You end up getting what's called exercise exhaustion. You know, you can't recover quickly. A lot of people have that now, and they say, I can't work out anymore. And these are because your mitochondria, again, those organelles that end up, that's so important for energy production, you are disrupting them, and you're just creating dysfunction in these little, you know, powerhouses that we need so we can be able to detox, you know, if you don't, if you don't have your mitochondria working well, you're not going to detox. Well, you're not going to get rid of these, this, what I call toxic fat in your body.

Okay, let's talk toxic fat. If you're going to throw that one out there, what the heck is that?

Well, toxic fat, to me, this is where, you know, when we. This is where all the poisons and toxins that we accumulate end up storing the subcutaneous fat, meaning right below the skin. You know, when you pinch your belly, when you pinch your hips, you. That little. That little muffin top, that's subcutaneous fat. And then we got to go into. What's the next place where we have toxic fat? Toxic fat then goes into the visceral fat, which is like in the belly area. Most people, when they gain weight and they complain, it's usually around their belly because it just gets fatter and more swollen and distended. And then some people have little hot spots around their hips. Right. We called. What are those called? You know, right around the saddlebaggy. There you go. Thank you. Saddlebags.

And then I think they're not called saddle baggies, but.

Those saddlebags and then the back fat. Right. These are just areas where we accumulate fat, more fat around our body. And what the reason I call them toxic is because when we accumulate poisons and toxins and. And heavy metals, pollutants, VOCs, volatile organic compounds, and then, of course, chemicals from cosmetics and whatnot, it's going to be stored somewhere, you know, because our body naturally does not want to be able to. To be poisoning our brain and our heart and our major organs. So what do we do? We put it into areas that's not as important. And adipose tissue. Fat is a very great organ of accumulation. It literally accumulates and gets bigger. And this fat cells just. You're just stuffing it with more fat and more toxins.

And that's what people need to understand, because then your body goes, I better hold on to this.

That's right.

Keep it. Keep it safe.

Yes.

So that you don't have toxins all over your body.

That's right. That's right. But. But listen, what ends up happening, though, jj, is that when you don't detoxify these toxins properly and unload periodically throughout the year, then that's part of the reason why the resistance fat, you know, you've heard of resistance fat. You talk a lot about it. We can't get rid of it. It doesn't matter how much you exercise, how much you. You end up eating well, you know, how much you end up doing this whole. All different types of these diets that we've got out there. You may not be able to remove that toxic fat. And today, that's what I want us to, like, go into.

So one real quick thing, because so many of the symptoms you talked about, I think people just start to accept as normal, which is just Absolutely frightening. And then they might go to a more, you know, traditional allopathic doc. And what, like, how do people find out if they have an issue with toxicity? Or should we at this point assume that unless you've done some kind of a detoxification program, you probably do.

You're probably exactly what you're saying.

You.

We all have some amount of toxicity. People. You know, there are a lot of studies on fetal, you know, in the placenta. They've done testing and there could be 50 to 100 different chemicals in breast milk. There's a ton of chemicals. So just know that now we're living in modern world. We have a toxic world, and so our body has toxicity in it. It's different. Everyone's different. You know, some people are better excreters than others. Some people. And if you do, you know, exercise and do healthy cleanses regularly, you're just going to have less. You're going to have less, and you're going to actually prevent diseases in the future. Diseases like diabetes and obesity. To me, obesity is a toxicity problem, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I think the NHANES study was so interesting because we always thought diabetes was because of being obese. And then what they found was, no, you were obese because you had all these toxins in your fat cells that then triggered a hormone disruption that caused diabetes.

Exactly.

We've got to really think about it. It really changes the way you think of weight loss because you start to realize that really, in order to lose fat, because that's what we want to lose, not muscle, you've got to detoxify, and you've got to do it safely, because just by freeing up the toxins in your body, you're not going to make yourself worse, not better. And so let's talk about, like, some of the things you see out there. Because. Because this is an issue. I get concerned about some of the cleanses I see out there.

Well, to me, you know, when it comes to cleansing, there are. What do you. First of all, what are you cleansing? Because you got to know, what exactly are you cleansing and what is the purpose of the cleanse? I find that in my practice, the pre detox or the pre cleanse is the most important. Think about your body literally as a toilet bowl.

Okay.

And you've got plumbing.

That's just great, Suzanne. Awesome.

You got to think about, visualize it. Now, I want you to know that we've got plumbing system in our body, but if your plumbing system is not open, you flushing that toilet, trying to detox, that Poop in your, the waste is not going to go out. And all is it going to do is it's going to overflow in your, out into your bathroom and then you're just going to be a big stink pot. And we don't want that. And the truth of the matter is when it comes to pre cleansing and pre detox, what I mean is we're going to open up that drain, open up the plumbing. And when you open up the plumbing, then when you go ahead and want to detox and detox basically means you're grabbing onto the poison and you're pulling it through your liver and your gut and so you can poop it out. You're pulling it through your kidneys and your bladder and you're peeing out. You're pulling it through your lymphatic and your skin so you can sweat it out. See, we need those plumbing and they're called excretion, excretory organs or emunctories or another word. We need those to be open so we can really eliminate any of the poisons. And if you can do that regularly, like I like doing, you know, cleanse every season. Every season in the, in the spring I like to do the liver cleanse, liver with the gut. In the summer because it's hot, I love doing sweating. So doing it through the skin. On the fall I use lungs and respiratory and helping my, the breath work, using a lot of breathing and then the kidneys in the wintertime. So I love to do cleansing like every few months. And it's not hard. You don't have to feel like a lot of people are afraid, like, oh my God, I got to do a cleanse. That means I've got to be at home, I've got to be close to a pot and because I'm going to be having diarrhea and vomiting and all that stuff. That's not true. That is not true. You can do a very gentle cleanse and that's why the pre detox and pre cleanse is the most important. So that you don't have all these herxheimer or detox reactions.

What are some things you shouldn't do?

Oh gosh, right away what you don't want to do is you don't want to take supplements that will pull out metals really quickly. You know, people are concerned about heavy metals and mercury, right? Mercury is a biggie. But once you do that and you start trying to detox, it will get backed up. I had a case where they had golf ball size lymph nodes in the neck after removing heavy metals of the mercury fillings. And they didn't do any pre cleanse, they didn't do any preparation. And the dentist went in, took it out because they wanted it, the person wanted it out. And they ended up having infect Hashimoto's secondary to the removal of heavy metals. Think about what gland is right there underneath your jaw. Right. The thyroid. And they ended up having terrible symptoms of Hashimoto's and autoimmune conditions secondary to getting the mercury removed. So the things that you don't want to do is you don't want to aggressively okay, I want to go out and do this another thing that you don't want to do. At least you know, for me. I'm not someone that says that you've got to go and do colonics. Colonics to me, you only do it if you haven't gone to the bathroom. Five to seven days. Colonics to me will get rid of all the good flora. And the biomicrobiome people don't realize is that the microbiome bacteria are actually scavengers what you eat. So if you're constantly eating toxins and you've got metals in your mouth, those bacterias actually will hold onto the metals and then you poop it out more in safely manner. So to me doing that type of heavy cleansing in that way it's not safe because I want your microbiome to be as healthy as it can. As we're doing the cleanse now, I.

Know one thing you're a huge fan of is sauna.

Oh yeah.

So let's talk a little bit about sauna. What type of sauna and the best way to use a sauna for detox?

Well, infrared sauna is the best way because infrared sauna number one, you can do it at lower temperature. And what I mean by lower temperature is like 125 maximum 130. You don't have to go that high with infrared sauna because the frequency of infrared actually is not a heat. It's a frequency that goes into, through the skin, into your, the subcutaneous fat and the visceral fat. It goes deep up at least up to 2 inches. So if you can get that infrared sauna or use infrared sauna during a cleanse, that's really helpful. And what I like to do also with, with the infrared sauna is I like to activate those tissues, the subcutaneous fat because you are pulling it through the skin and you're sweating the toxins out Stephen Genuis is a doctor, medical doctor that I've worked with quite a bit, and I followed a lot of his studies and he studied specific infrared sauna and sweat and found that there's a ton of chemicals being pulled out. Solvents like toluene, xylene, styrene, these are all just chemicals that we deal with day to day. If you're living in a home and then heavy metals, mercury, cadmium, arsenic, nickel, they all get pulled out.

Lead.

Lead is about the hardest one to get pulled out through the skin, but you can still pull it out, and that's because lead is stored mainly in our bones.

You know, it's interesting. I've got sunlight and sauna that's a near medium and far infrared, and it doesn't even feel hot. It's not like those saunas you go to if you're at, you know, a spa somewhere.

That's right.

It doesn't. You don't feel. It's. You can just hang out in there for quite a while without any discomfort.

I have the exact same sunlight. I have.

What?

I have one, the one that's called solo. And you just lay in it, you know, like a little tube.

Yeah, that's what I do. I lay in it and you can either. Well, I've got a big. Mine's like a. It might even be a four person, you know, but we're big people. So there's the two of us in there, but we watch movies.

Oh, my God, that's awesome.

So we just hang out in there, watch movies. It's like, awesome. Yeah, it's so good.

And the reason why the difference of the infrared with a conventional sauna, like you say in the spa, the conventional sauna actually heats up to about 200 to 250 degrees, and you can't stay on it long. And what it is is that it heats it through electrical and it just heats the outside surface of your skin. So you cannot stay there long. But when you go into infrared. I've stayed in infrared for over, like 45 minutes to an hour. I got to tell you a story about infrared sauna. I started having infrared sauna. I bought my first one in 1999. And because I'm Korean and I've been brought up with saunas my whole life, since I was living in Korea when I was young. Since I was about two years old, I've been going to Korean spas. And we have all kinds of different kinds of heating modalities in Korea. But anyway, I started using the infrared sauna. And because I'm used to it, I wanted to sit in it for about 45 minutes to an hour, as I would in any other time. Well, guess What? Within about 30 minutes, my whole body went into a rash. I had red bumps all over my body, all over my body. So much that I had to jump in the shower. And I knew something was wrong. So I took the sweat and I started muscle testing. And I found it was actually a pesticide called malathion.

Ooh, wow.

Malathion. Now, jj, you live in LA as long as I have as well. And do you remember the fruit flies?

Yeah. That is frightening. And for anyone listening, this is actually what you want. You want it out, not in.

That's right. That is exactly it. And I mean, back in the college years, I was riding a motorcycle with literally a tank top, and I got absorbed. I absorbed all this malathon because they sprayed it all across the county of LA. And think about it, 1999, this is what, 30 years later, I end up. End up literally still having the stuff in my body. And it took me a full week for all the rash to go away. I kept on going in and out, in and out every day and cleansing it out. And my goodness, it was scary. But I'll tell you, it smelled awful, too. Not only did I see I had, like, gray sweat coming out of me, it smelled poisonous. Like petroleum. You know, pesticides are petroleum based, Oil based. So that's part of the reason why it sets in our fat, because it is it. It settles in the fat because it is oil. Or, you know, they love being in fat. Fat tissue, fatty tissue.

Now we are like, we could go on and on and on. We're just getting warmed up, but we have to go.

Yes.

Because I always promise people to keep these short, sweet, to the point, actionable, and then give people great stuff to follow through with. And here's the thing. You've got such great gifts for everybody that if you've been listening, going, oh, my gosh, now what? You're going to give everyone your ultimate drainage and detoxification strategies guidelines. So you're covered. So you got that. And then also your ultimate wellness food checklist. These are awesome. And that was what I was thinking the whole time we were talking, Suzanne. It's like people are going to go, oh, my gosh, now what? So we got your now what? So thank you so much for that. And everybody listening, you'll go to JJ, virgin.com forward/doctoricsusanne, and that is with an S. So S. U S a n n e Dr. Suzanne. And we'll also have all the show notes, everything we've been talking about. We'll put a link to the sunlight and sauna, our pals over there. We love Connie Zach and maybe even put a picture of me and my robe in the sauna in there in those show notes because we can. And thank you so much for being with us today. I super appreciate it.

I so appreciate it, too. Thank you. I'm so grateful. Love you. Jj, thanks for everything you're doing, man.

You too, honey. Alrighty. So now after the break, we're going to be answering a listener's questions, so stay with me.

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Welcome back. This is the time where I answer a listener's question and hopefully you're joining me on Facebook and Instagram because I dig going on there and interacting with you live and grabbing questions to answer over here on the podcast. So the other day, Jonna was on my Facebook live and put me on the spot and said, jj, what do you do? Do you do these cleanses and how often do you do them if you do? So here's the deal. I think cleanses are a fantastic idea because it gives you some focused time to up level your health. And I love the idea of whether you're doing again. I look at the virgin diet in a lot of ways as a detox because you're detoxing off of foods that are hurting you. Same with the sugar impact diet as a detox. And in the mind body green course, I created the boost your metabolism course. I put a detox in there and I think that we should be doing focused detoxes at least every quarter. I've actually done a pretty intense detox because I had heavy metal toxicity from eating tuna, which I know better. I can't believe I did this anyway where I had to do IV chelation and I teamed that up with some other things as well. And then I did do the similar thing for my son, Grant who ended up with some heavy metal toxic toxicity. But here's the deal. I believe that we need to be doing these more intense, focused cleanses, but that we also, and this is what's more important because it's really what you do every single day that makes the biggest difference. Now, some of us are going to be better detoxifiers than others. That's our genetics. But there's things that you should be and could be doing every day that honestly are really easy to fit into your life that can have a big impact. And you know me, I love little hinges that swing the big doors. So the first one that I do, and I pretty much do this, gosh, every day that I'm home, though, you know, when I'm traveling, I don't do this because I can't travel with bags of Epsom salts. Haven't figured that one out yet. I guess I could have Amazon prime them to the hotels, but I'm finding a lot of these hotels don't even have bathtubs anymore, which makes me nuts. But at home, I always take an Epsom salts bath, so that means I get in at least, gosh, I don't know, 15 of those a month. I also, at home, have a sunlight and spa sauna. And again, we will put that in the show notes@jjvirgin.com forward slash Dr. Suzanne. So when I'm home, I do a sunlight and sauna. I try to do it every other day. And again, we've now gotten to the point where we'll go in there and watch movies. It's awesome. I do a lot of exercise, which is great for the circulation and the sweating, so that helps, too. I also have my fiber upped pretty high. Generally do about 50 grams a day, so that helps with the elimination. Remember, you're. You're sweating, peeing and pooping. And that is how you are doing your best detoxifying. So you want to make sure that you're pooping well. And so the magnesium plus the fiber equals success. And then I make sure that I am eating from the rainbow. And especially a lot of deep green leafies, because there's a lot in the deep green green leafies that can help pull out or chelate heavy metals. So that's another key one. And then one other thing that I do is I'll do dry brushing on myself. That's where you use a brush when you're dry and you brush your body to help with circulation and exfoliation. And then the other thing I do is get massages. So and I was really lame at getting them doing them like once a month at best. And I've made a commitment to just being be better about doing that. So those are some of the things that I've just put into my everyday life to make sure I'm doing. Oh, along with lots of water intake, I drink a load of water and I take really good supplements, especially things to support the liver and antioxidants, which are key because as you're detoxifying, your body requires more antioxidants, more nutrients. So those are just things that I put into my life every single day along with things that I put into my smoothie just to aid detoxification. And that is super important because every day you're getting hit by them no matter where you are are you heard it from Suzanne. And so every day you need to be doing something about it. All right, I want to do a shout out to M. King444, who gave a five star review to this podcast, says, love this. As an RN and health and wellness coach, I often refer my clients to JJ's products because they get results that are fun with zero deprivation. I'm so excited that JJ now is a podcast show and I highly recommend the following her to improve your life. All right, thank you for that, M. King, and if you've been listening and loving what you're hearing, I would super appreciate it if you'd leave a review. Helps us a ton. People go and check it out and then they think, huh, I should listen. So I appreciate that. Be sure to subscribe and share it with your friends and I will see you next week.

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