Sacred Science with Nick Polizzi

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Hey, it's JJ Virgin. And welcome to the JJ Virgin Lifestyle show where we'll connect with some of the coolest people in the world. Plus, I'm going to give you tips that you can put into fast action to uplevel your health and your life. Now, today's show is all about about. Well, here's the question. How far would you go to heal if you were faced with something that was life threatening, life ending, how far would you go? I think if you've been around with me for any amount of time, you know that I will pretty much do whatever it takes. And in looking at things with my son's brain injury and also my dad dying of cancer, I've always been open to possibilities. What's out there beyond what we know here in the US since there are some amazing things here, but then there's some things that are truly not working. So I was fortunate last summer to be in Cancun with a group of really awesome health people led by Dr. Pedram Shojai. And one of the guys there was Nick Polizzi. Now I've met him a couple times, but I never had had any time to really spend with him before going to Cancun and hanging out. And I learned so much him and I had to bring him on the show. Let me tell you a little bit about him. You may know him. He's been in the space producing documentaries for years about holistic alternatives to conventional medicine. He did one on eft, he did one on raw food diets. And all of his films have one common thread. They each put promising natural medicines to the test on daring patients who are suffering from real illnesses. Now, they're not theoretical, they're real. It's the real thing. It's like what I was joking on the show is it's kind of like the Survivor reality show done as a documentary. This is the real stuff where you get to get right in there and see what it takes for someone to truly heal themselves. All the good about that all the bad about that and everything in between. So his latest film, and the guys were sitting around when he said he wanted to do this. They're like, are you sure, Nick? Are you sure? It's called Sacred Science and it has been out now for a couple years. Although I, as you'll hear, I haven't watched it yet, but I'm watching it now. I mean, you'll be so intrigued after this interview. You won't be able to not go watch it. And it's, he had this just calling to go and learn from the indigenous people and you know, to, to go and show these ancient knowledge and rituals, then show and, and protect them, honor them, preserve them. So it's, it was super daring for him to do a big courageous move and it has been a huge success. So huge now that he's going to be doing a book around it as well. And at the end of the show, I'm going to show you how you can go watch the movie for free. So I am super excited to share Nick Polizzi with you today. All right, so let's do it. Nick, welcome to the show. I am so glad you're here with me today.

Honor to be here.

This is a crazy story that we're going to be talking about today. And you know, I just got to jump in with. Here you are, you know, average white guy from Connecticut and now you're in the middle of the Amazon tracking down indigenous medicine men. What. Why are you doing this?

You know, it's weird. Like the first, the first two films that we made were much more, I guess, safe natural health films. We were like, we were checking out raw food diets and an energy healing technique called eft. And we were interviewing a bunch of different experts for those, a bunch of well known New York Times best selling experts. And while we were interviewing them, every time the interview ended, I just had this one final question. Once the camera was off for each of them. And I would ask people like Bob Proctor and Jack Canfield who their teachers were, who, you know, you're the guru, who's your guru? And a lot of them, you know, it's surprisingly enough, they would, they would tell me, they would point to these, these indigenous cultures, these indigenous elders that they, they had been working with for some time who had never seen the light of day in terms of mainstream media. And it intrigued me. I was like, well, so we have all, we have these, these major health experts, these made these major personal development experts that are always in front of the camera on films like the secret and like that. And they. Their teachers are actually from a completely different lineage. So we decided we would explore these cultures, and that took us down to the Amazon.

So, yeah, it's kind of like their little hidden secrets that you don't get to find out about until you talk to them. Now, you created this film in the Amazon, and it's got all of these rites of passage, so which, you know, we don't really have these. These great rite of passage. I mean, you have a bar mitzvah, but, like, a lot of this stuff is just lost in Western culture. So what's important about the whole. The ceremony, ritual type of stuff?

I think, like you said, we. It's something that we used to have. You know, we used to have rites of passage in our culture. But, you know, for me, as, like this, like you said, this, like, average white guy from Connecticut, like, my rites of passage were sort of. I grew up Christian, so I had a confirmation. But, you know, and our first communion. But I mean, no disrespect, but, you know, most kids who have those types of rites of passage, they ignore them. You know, we're not. We're trying. We're holding our nose and waiting for them, for them to be over, hoping that we get, like, a check from our family for it. That's really it. But we don't really have anything like that in our culture anymore. And I think that more than just, you know, it being this kind of a threshold or marker for, you know, your maturation as a person, there are these subtle understandings about life that we miss out on. I mean, most rites of passage in indigenous culture, it's really about confronting your own mortality. Something that we, as a Western culture are completely mortified.

Oh, yeah, we avoid that completely.

You don't want to talk about it. And even more so, you know, it isn't even just. It isn't even abhorred. It's literally ignored. And if you. If you go into these other cultures, something I find very beautiful about South American, Central American cultures is it's completely celebrated. I mean, you can look at the Day of the Dead in Mexico, you know, and take. Take some cues from that, but it's really a part of the culture. It's something that is deeply ingrained in everyday life. So I think, you know, something that we miss out on in this culture with our lack of rites of passage is just this. This mature look at our own mortality, the role we play in the unfolding of things in our life and the lives of those around Us. And, you know, it just, it feels like, you know, when with these individuals that have. That have access to those types of ceremonies, you just see these adults who are much more grounded, much happier with their lives, and just physically and mentally healthy.

Well, it strikes me, too, as I'm listening to this is we have ageism in the US where youth is celebrated. And then you look at these cultures where being an elder is like, such an honor and distinction. Right. You know, and it's not that way here. And it's just because I'm feeling that right now in my 50s, I'm like, wow, this is an interesting shift where someone asked a question in a group and completely dissed me the other day, and I'm like, whoa. As I wasn't a millennial. And I'm like, this is interesting because wouldn't we want to celebrate? We've got a lot more experience and information at this point, you know, but that's much. That is how it is in the other traditions and not here. So I would love to bring that into the U.S. maybe we should go on a little sprint of that.

You see how the youth and, you know, the, you know, the adolescents, you know, revere the elders, you know, and the way that they're, you know, these folks don't ship their. Their grandparents and, you know.

Yeah.

Their grandparents off to Florida, you know, and just kind of like get rid of them, you know, as they get older, they actually become even more crucial pillar of knowledge in the family, you know, Something else that, you know. I guess one other thing before we move on to the next question is another thing that I think is interesting about rites of passage are that they're planned. You know, they're like. It isn't like, you know, sometimes we in the west, we are faced with something that challenges us and shakes our. Shakes us at our core. But usually it's something that is unexpected. It's something that happens in your family. Your dog gets hit by a car, whatever it is, you know, something, you're. You're. You. You come that you. You can come down with some kind of an illness or you lose your job, and you have to now man up or woman up and kind of be. Be. Be better and evolved. But that's. That. That's not planned. There's something cool about the fact that these rites of passage are planned. You as an individual know you're about to step into the fire, and there's something about that mentally, that really works on you. And it can actually, it can add a substantial layer of stress before the rite of passage. But there's something extremely beneficial to it, something that I feel like that fear and overcoming that fear and willingly putting yourself in a position of serious discomfort is really powerful.

It's actually what a lot of my next book is written about, is that you need to do these things right. But what we do, you're right. In the US we wait till the bad thing happens and then we are reactive. And it's interesting because you know this. It's like all of our friends, the people who've gone through more of the tough stuff are cooler people, more successful, happier. So why not just do it instead? Put it into your life where you're forced to get out of your comfort zone, forced to face fears. It then decharges a lot of this stuff so that when bad things happen, you can handle them.

I agree 100%.

So let's move on to health, because you were out doing the documentary films on EFT and on raw foods now, doing stuff around health. Granted, that's. Even though we know it shouldn't be on the outskirts, it still is somewhat. Although you guys have done a lot for getting it. Not so. But you look at us out there as, I guess, do they even call us health nuts anymore? But those of us really kind of on the cutting edge of health. And so much of what we use now, especially in the supplement world, comes from ancient traditions. Yet there's a disconnect. And what is this key? What do we need to know from ancients and native wisdom that would really help us with our health now?

You know, the one thing that I see, and I saw myself doing it a lot until we made this film was I, you know, I was. I was bought into the. I was a health nut for a while, and I would get all my herbs and everything else, you know, the bee pollen and things like that, and I would just kind of put together a cocktail in the morning, chug it, and go about my day. And that was kind of the way that I was relating to these natural met these natural substances. Something that I've seen in indigenous culture, and now I'm starting to see it in a bunch of, you know, now we're traveling the world and looking for the next culture we're going to cover in our upcoming film. And something I'm seeing in a lot of these cultures is, you know, there's this reverence that they have for these medicines. And it's not just, you know, oh, here's a leaf. Let's combine the leaf with a Little bit of that and a little bit of this and take it and then go about our day. It's like there is a state of mind, there is a state of being, I guess, to try to get really woo woo here that they sort of have. And you could look at it as meditation. If that's the way that it sort of manifests for you. You can look at it as prayer. You know, my grandfather used to say this, say this incredible, these incredible graces before each dinner. And it used to make me really uncomfortable when I was young because he would just get so into it and before we ate this food, he would just kind of be, not like Bible thumping, but he would just be in this kind of a trance, just kind of praying to God as you know, before we eat, we ate, blessing the food. And when I was young, I was so. It was so foreign that I didn't, I didn't like it. But as I'm sort of, sort of investigating these cultures, I'm starting to see that they prepare their medicines in a similar way. Not in a creepy way, but just in a, just really being thankful with the, with a heart full of gratitude and connecting in whatever way makes sense to them with the herbs and the other medicines that they're about to take. And I think that that's something that for me really shifted my perspective on this stuff.

I know. Just think if in the morning you got up to take like your morning supplements or I take thyroid and if I did a, you know, ceremony. But I mean, think about how more powerful it is and how more open your body is when you're grateful. You've taken the time around it and you're doing. I've seen some of these ceremonies. It is, it's like, it's like gratitude meets meditation and you're just in a much more receptive space when you do get these. And that's probably a big part of how these things work in the first place, you know, is that mindfulness. So let's, let's go into your documentary because you took patience and they go out into the middle of nowhere in little tiny jungle hunts and no, no comforts, no technology, and they, they're left there for 30 days. So like, you know, who, who did this? Like, how did you get these people to do, how does this happen?

I know in some ways it feels like, it feels like I was like, you know, this is some kind of.

A cruel joke or it's a reality show. It's like Survivor, the documentary, you know.

So, yeah, we, we got it was, it was crazy. So the nice thing about having two movies that came out beforehand was that we had a, we had communities around those, those two films. And I just, I sent out an email to them saying, hey, you know, if you are, if you're interested in the healing information we've shown you in the past, we're about to do something that's even more, more extraordinary. And I told them that we're going to be taking eight patients into the middle of the jungle on the border of Peru and Brazil to work with indigenous medicine men for 30 days and they'll be treating a variety of illnesses and that anybody who had any type of disease or malady should apply. We, within 24 hours we had 400 applications. And they were, they had to be extensive applications. We were very, very picky. They had to have headshots and, you know, all kinds of stuff and share their life story with us. And so we had 400 applications to choose from and we had to whittle that down people, which was a pretty, pretty hard process. We had a panel of five people and you know, literally walls of walls full of photos and profiles. And we were just kind of, you know, just being very, I guess, consciously selecting people. But so we got, we had our eight people and like you said, they had a variety of illnesses. Three different cancer patients, two of them severe, late stage cancer, one Parkinson's patient who had very, very advanced Parkinson's. We had two different. One patient with Crohn's disease, one patient with ibs, another patient with severe depression, another patient with drug addiction. These were individuals that. This wasn't like we were taking people down who had belly aches and, you know, and, you know, you know, scraped knee. This was like these were people that were, you know, at their wit's end who had been failed by modern medicine, who were looking for anything to save their lives. And yeah, we put them in the middle of the, of the jungle. And part of the tradition in the Amazon is if you're working with, you know, the shamanic healing protocol, you're. You get assigned what they would call a dieta hut. And that hut is a one room, one room, little, maybe eight by eight hut in the middle of nowhere, away from anybody else, surrounded by jungle, with thatch roof and thin screened walls all around. So you're really not even separated from the jungle. Especially if it's raining out, it'll still get wet inside there a little bit. And all you have is a bed, a hand hewn desk and chair and, and your Mosquito net. And that's it. And it looks kind of like torture. I mean, when you're. When you. When you start watching the film, you're kind of like, wow, these patients, like, they're so you. Wait, you took them away from their modern medication, their modern medicine, and the comforts of their own home, and now you're putting them in the middle of this, you know, wild wilderness with snakes, spiders, you know, all manner of ways to die just from nature.

I know that was my biggest concern is, like, weren't you afraid that some of them were going to die on the trip?

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, and. But there's a method to the madness. You know, I mean, like, at first, it's like, what are they doing? And why is this part of the protocol? Is this just some kind of, you know, outdated, you know, way of healing that really needs to be revamped? And then you start looking closer at it and with, you know, I obviously had been doing a lot of work before I brought them down, which is why I agreed to do this. And I. And I learned why this was important and really, what's. What's going. Going on. There is. There are a few things. One is, you know, the part of this culture is to remove you from any. Remove any distraction you might have that would allow you to escape who you really are. So, you know, when patients get down. Got down there when one big piece of criteria we had was, hey, don't bother bringing, you know, you can bring your phone, you can bring anything you want to, but you're gonna have to check it at the Longhouse, you know, in the very front of the. The property, because you can't have any of this stuff in your. In your hut. You know, for 30 days, people brought down all kinds of things. You know, they brought down, you know, these, like, you know, these coloring books, you know, spiritual coloring books and, like, diaries and, you know, you know, books, you know, Carlos Castaneda books about shamanism. And they were. They were, like, shocked and appalled that we said that they had to. They had to leave those at the door, too. They're like, wait, this is. This is just my book. I can have a book. I can't even have a book.

So they literally had nothing at all. They couldn't write. They couldn't read nothing.

We took everything away. And the idea is it's going to be you and nature, and there is going to be nothing else. Oh, they also had a hammock in there that you could swing in and sit on during the day, but that was it. And so the idea behind all of this is if you're really trying to heal and you're taking this seriously and you're looking at your disease not only not just as some bad luck that befell you, but as an opportunity for spiritual growth, then the requirement is for you to sit with yourself and with your illness for 30 days. And as painful as that is, and believe me, it was painful for the first week, people were going through it and were wanting to leave. If you're willing to do that, then you will receive a lot more wisdom than you thought and very likely overcome your illness with the help of some herbs and other ceremony. So the idea is remove distractions and remove anything that you could pour your consciousness into to avoid the things that are going on in the ticker tape of thought that is going. That is always constantly flowing behind your eyeballs. And not only in ceremony, be confronting those things, but in every hour, every second, every minute of every day that you're there, be in this state of, you know, having to deal with yourself without being able to escape. And that's. That's a big part of the healing process down there that I think a lot of people don't realize. You have all these people who go down to the jungle these days because they want Iowa. They want to take ayahuasca, and they want to have this kind of roller coaster, cosmic roller coaster ride. But the reality is a lot more work than that. You know, there's a lot more work than that kind of stuff.

And like, so these. These eight people that went, like, what happened? I mean, just grab one.

I.

We can't. I mean, like, did they. I mean, did they all get better or did one just. I mean, what happened?

I will tell you.

I know we can't go. Everyone can watch the movie, but maybe.

I'm going to repeat one thing that we say in the beginning, so I'm not going to spoil the ending, but five of them come back healed, two of them come back disappointed, and one of them does not make it back. Wow. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. And what about. And you were there the whole time.

I don't know why I'm laughing about that.

Yeah, I know.

You know what? This person who didn't make it back was actually a good friend of mine. So. And I. It's a longer story than that, but.

Is it in the. Is it in the film? News at 11. Okay, so. And you were there. What. What about you? Like, what was your big takeaway from the whole experience?

One of my biggest takeaways from the whole experience, it could be summed up by this. This one of the shamans, after. After this individual passed on down there, you know, he and I were talking outside of this patient's hut and, you know, he was bestowing a bunch of wisdom on me. A lot of it was about, you know, the, you know, our perception of death and dying in the United. In the United States and in the Western world, which I thought was very, you know, for me in that moment was like, extremely transformative. But something he said that's always stuck with me is, you know, people have this perception of shamans as being the ones who heal their patients. He's like, we shamans don't heal patients. We simply remove the blocks that are preventing our patients from healing themselves. And so that, to me, I mean, it kind of goes into a few of the things we've already talked about. One, you know, the. The idea of getting rid of distractions so you can truly encounter yourself and find those points that. Those parts of you who. That are getting in your own way. I mean, Wim Hof talks about this with. With encountering cold and using that energy to find those weaknesses, those flaws in yourself. The places where you're getting in your own way, it's very similar. You're adding intensity so that you can. The intensity itself becomes an X ray that you can sort it where you can see into yourself a little bit and see where your weaknesses are. I think that this idea that shamans don't heal their patients, they present their patients with rites of passage and other opportunities for wisdom that allow them to remove the blocks that are preventing them from healing themselves. That was a pretty transformative thing for me.

The whole thing's amazing. Just hearing this bit of it. Who doesn't want to watch the movie at this point? How could you not just. I didn't realize when we met before that it went through eight patients going through all of this there, that's like crazy. So what about you now you've gone through all this, now you're back home. So what's the thing that you do every day that makes the biggest difference in your life?

Oh, man, that's a good one. So there's this last soap. About a year ago, I was down in the Andes. There's this amazing area where one of the shamans has become a dear friend. My friend Roman Hannes lives. It's where the Andes mountains drop off into the Amazon jungle. It's just insane. It's one of the most I don't think there's any other place on earth like it. But we were hiking the Inca trail and doing. Every night we would do these coca ceremonies. We chew coca leaves. Coca is the leaf that cocaine comes from. It's highly sensationalized here in the United States, but down in South America, it's drank. Every cafe in Peru, Colombia, Chile, Argentina has coca tea. It's like, it's completely destigmatized. It's a sacred plant down there. Anyway, we would do these coca ceremonies every night we get to coca and you just kind of, you know, sort of sit there and you connect and you talk about meaningful, you know, you tell stories about your life that you feel are meaningful. And over the course of like, you know, maybe two nights of doing this, we got into this, um, he was trying to show me this thing. This happens to me a lot with these guys. They try to show me this thing that I, I'm just too ignorant to really understand. It's a little bit, it's a little bit, it's a little bit humbling. And then, then you finally will get. Sometimes you finally get, get the nugget of wisdom. And you're like, oh, I get it. Like, you have to kind of experience it. And one thing he was showing, he was trying to explain to me is he's like, hey, Nick, you know, what you're doing, what we did in the film and what you're doing with your community is amazing. It's really good. It's really, it's really good work. You know, we have to, we have to get this knowledge out there. But you're missing this one core element. And I'm like, well, what's the element? He's like, you're missing like the way of being. He's like, you know, you could talk about herbs, you could talk about ceremonies, you could talk about all this stuff and you do it, you can talk convincingly about it and it's great. But you need to embody this way of being, which is this state of connectedness to everything. And again, this is all very woo woo. And I'm sure some people listen. This is where I turn this, this is where I turn this podcast off. But there's this connectedness and I, it took me like a year ago, I'm telling you, like, I was going through this. I'm like, I don't understand. I think I do do that. I think I'm pretty connected. He's like, no, you're not. He's like, because you, you still have Thought you still have this. This illusion of separation from the reality around you. And I was like, I don't even understand what that means. It took me a while to even figure out what he was talking about. But anyway, I finally got it. And something that I do now to get into that state of connectedness with everything around me and this, this, this, this, this. This dissolving of this curtain of separation is simple meditation. I mean, I know, I know at the end of all this, this whole. This whole interview, you'd think it'd be something a lot more cool and crazy than that, but, I mean, it really is just me sitting there and letting myself stop thinking, you know, I have this fear, and maybe we all do, of. Of giving up. This person, this story that we think we have of this person that we think we are, this name that we're given and we, you know, I think I'm Nick. You think you're jj. It's crazy. We're nuts. It's just part of our culture. But I mean, getting into a state every day where you can let all that dissolve for 20, 30 minutes has been insanely powerful for me. It's been. And again, it's very. It doesn't seem that surprising or exotic, but just simple meditation, 20, 30 minutes, if you can find the time to do it, especially in nature, for me, has been a huge. A huge gateway.

Well, it's definitely been one of the. One of the most common answers to this. Just so, you know, like, it's, it's. And I think that just hopefully people listening, if you aren't doing this, you're just getting, you know, hit over the head repeatedly with this going. This, you know, it's. It's taking time, it's letting go, it's stopping the chatter, and it's getting into yourself so you can just be. And I know the first. When you said all that, I'm like, I don't know how to be, you know, but. But the more difficult it is for you, the more resistance, because that's been one of my big things. The more important it is for you to do it right. So it is. It is interesting that throughout the. The world, this is like one of those key takeaways that makes a huge difference everywhere. It doesn't matter where, which culture, what, you know, meditation's a constant. So for people who want to watch this movie, they can go to jjvirgin.com nick and you've got a free screening that they're going to be able to watch, right?

Absolutely.

That is so cool because even though we sort of know what happened with the eight, we don't really know the process and I that is just fascinating to me. So I can't wait to tune in. And again, it's JJVirgin.com Nick and thank you, Nick so much for joining me today. So awesome. You're fascinating. I could talk to you literally all day and I'm super excited about you having the book about this coming out. Of course it's a year out, so everyone waiting watch the movie in the interim. Now after the break, I'm gonna be answering a listener's question. So stay with me.

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Welcome back. This is the time where we answer a listener's question. And today's question comes from Joan in Menlo park and she writes, jj, I know you travel all the time, so how do you stay healthy on the road? Alright, I got this down and here's one of the things I'm going to tell you. Structure gives you freedom. So when you really dial in habits, it just makes it so much easier to stay healthy on the road. So the first thing I do is I travel with a nutribullet blender, my shake mix and into my shake mix I've already mixed in some extra fiber. So I've got my all in one shake mix and some extra fiber all blended in. Then I put my supplements together in a baggie. Now I have my daily essential packs but I also put into a baggie some other things to help. I always travel with my microbiome balance just in case things get a little wonky and I travel with my sleep candy and some earplugs just in case. So that's super critical too. Plus I travel with my bars and I particularly like my chocolate mint all in one bars as an in betweener. So I always make sure I have some of those. Remember, I've got dark chocolate, coconut fiber, dark chocolate mint, coconut fiber chocolate mint and the new Chocolate espresso or dark chocolate mocha. It's one of those names I don't remember what we landed on. I just know that they are oh my gosh, so darn good. Plus I also always know where I'm gonna work out. And a lot of times that'll be the stairwell at the hotel. As long as there's four flights of stairs, I'm golden. I will run up them either one at a time or take them two at a time, then come back down. And I'll do that until I've accumulated four to eight minutes total of bursting. So I burst for a minute, recover for a minute, for two minutes, and go off and on. So the other thing that I do ahead of time is if I can't bring, if I'm driving, I bring my exciser so I can burst in my room. Especially if I'm running an event where I may not be able to go out into the gym because I'll get bombarded. But then I'll also bring my my avocados and my coconut milk and some spinach. But I also tend to know with most of the places I stay now where the closest Whole Foods so I can grab some some goodies. And I always have the hotel get me a refrigerator. And here's another key one. Tell them to give you a room away from the elevator. Plus if you can grab a little filtered water bottle, then you're golden. So those are some of my easy little tactics for being able to travel healthy. Now, if you'd like to submit a question, then just head over to my Facebook page at JJ Virgin Fanclub and I have a little favor to ask. I would so appreciate it if you could jump on Stitcher or itunes and leave a review for me. It helps a bunch and be sure to subscribe and share the show with your friends. All right, this is JJ Virgin signing off and reminding you to live courageously. Show up. Step up. You are stronger than you think.

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