Six Commonsense Steps to Radical Healing with Dani Williamson

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Danny Williamson, welcome to the show. I'm super excited to have you here.

Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to death.

Well, you've got a new book out. Oh, my gosh. Hold it up. And for those of you that cannot see this. And by the way, so your book, Wild and well, Danny's six Common Sense Steps to Radical Healing. You can't see this, but this is one fiery redhead over here. And so it just fits perfectly the wild and well title. And we are going to be digging into those six steps today. But before we dig into that, I always like to kind of pull it back to how you got here. Like, what got you started in medicine? What made you to go down this healing path?

Well, the huge story is, well, I got divorced at 39 years old. And I had owned a maternity and children's store for 11 years. I have a master's degree in fashion design. That's what I did for 20 something years.

Well, that's why you always look so fabulous.

So I was selling breast pumps and nipple cream in my maternity store for 11 years at Mum's. The word maternity. And when I got divorced, I was. I knew I had to do something. So I already was in women's health. Fast forward. I applied to nurse practitioner school. I was sick. I was on food stamps. I had two little children. I got accepted.

Seems like the perfect thing to do.

Yeah, right. All the things. So I went to Vanderbilt on food stamps and a medical card, two little babies and with a degree in fashion design, and decided to start into the medical world.

They must not have known what to make of you.

24 years, though. But prior to that, I was diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome. I was diagnosed with lupus at 35. I itched chronically for years. I was depressed. 10 doctors, 24 years, $200,000 in an education before a doctor ever leaned into me, J.J. and said, Danny, we. What are you eating? Don't you know your diet controls your pain? Or your symptoms for me. And it turned my entire world. World around. I had just spent all that money in school, and I never was taught what's at the end of your fork will heal you or kill you. Simple as that. And so 11 years ago, that's just crazy.

Like, let's hold. Hold the phone. Ibs. And they never asked you what you were eating?

Never. Four colonoscopies. My first colonoscopy was at 20. My fourth one was at 44. Never once did they say, danny, what are you eating?

Danny, what were you eating?

I was eating anything I wanted. And I was hooked. I didn't do drugs. I didn't smoke. But Betty Crocker, well, that's a drug.

Betty Crocker was your drug.

Betty Crocker was my drug. Milk chocolate icing. So I would get so stressed out because I grew up in a complete shithole of chaos, child abuse, and things like that going on. And I would literally would pull that aluminum foil thing off of that red Betty Crocker milk chocolate and eat that chocolate icing, and boom. Those dopamine receptors would hit, and it calmed me down. Well, nobody ever said that's causing diarrhea, Danny. Like, massive diarrhea. I ate anything I wanted. I mean, anything processed, pac, bagged, can fake food. And then I was on food stamps. So when you're on food stamps, what do you do? You don't. You don't know about eating well. And you try to make those food stamps go stretch. And so I fed my kids packaged, processed, bagged food. But the second I learned that I was not born with lupus, I was not born with ibs, I wasn't born with anxiety and chronic itching. And if you weren't born with it, you can turn it around. I'm telling you, my entire world changed. And it changed the whole trajectory of my life. And it changed the way I practice medicine. And that's what I've done for the last 11 years, is start with healing the gut. If you don't heal the gut first, you'll never get to the anxiety or the depression or the heartburn or the joint pain. And I've put everything under the radar. I am living proof. Jj, whatever you turn on, you can turn off or at least dial it back to the point to where it's. It's under the radar.

So if it's okay with you, you kind of threw something out there in the middle of all of this, you know, beyond. Just like, they never asked you what you to eat. You said, yeah, When I grew up, you know, I grew up in this with child abuse and blah, blah, blah. You know, it sounded like a ton of trauma, if you're okay to go there. What I also like to dig into because, yes, sounds like, you know, living on frosting, growing up, challenging, but you were using it as a coping mechanism for the trauma. You know, where was the trauma in all of these health issues? And how much has that shaped what you do now?

Oh, well, the trauma was, was the beginning of the health issues. So I had a stepfather that molested me and in grade school and he left. And then I was 13 or 14, and my mom looked me square in the eye that morning and said, you caused me to lose the only man I've ever loved. Okay, that never got addressed. And then she married a third man who was physically abusive my senior year in high school. And so the second I could get out, I left. But all. All of that trauma, all of that. My adverse childhood experience score is 6, probably a 7. So it started.

I don't know what the scale is for that, so can you just.

1 to 10.

So briefly, briefly talk about that for people who don't know what that is.

And you know, or what happened to you before the age of 18 that we know through decades now of research can set you up for a. A lifetime of chronic lifestyle disease. Anyone with an adverse childhood experience score over 4 has a, well, 6. Me have a 20 year shortened lifespan. Also have about a, I don't know, 800% higher rate of suicide, which is very prominent in my family. My grandfather died by suicide. My mother attempted multiple times. I too was getting ready to drive off the foot of Broadway into the river one day and thank goodness my kid stopped me. So I should be a drug user by now. And the ACE questionnaire studied 17,000 people that were middle class to upper middle class white in San Diego, California, did not have a diverse population. And what they discovered from that study was that at least 68 to 70% of every single one of the people in the study had one adverse childhood experience score. They were 50% more likely than to have a second one if you had one. So it's childhood trauma or toxic stress. And the American Academy of Pediatrics says it is the number one public health crisis that we have missed in the United States. So it turned my practice around when I learned about this. Every single new patient in my practice, jj gets the ACE questionnaire. I cannot believe how high people's scores are. And what breaks my heart is that we've Never thought to ask these people this. Never once.

Right.

It's heartbreaking. And you think about what's happened the last year and a half.

Right. Oh, my gosh. With all of a sudden now kids at home and parents at home.

So I'm on the board for the American foundation for Suicide Prevention and Suicide Crisis. Phone calls are up 800% since the pandemic started. Phone calls to domestic violence lines were down almost that much because the, the victim was stuck in the house with their abuser. They couldn't call. Oh, the fastest age for suicide right now is age 10 to 14. The fastest growing rate of suicide, 10 to 14 or 10 to 24? 10 to 13. Inside that demographic is the fast age 10 to 13. So childhood trauma has got to be addressed from the very beginning with our children in the pediatric clinics, from anyone who's practicing medicine needs to address childhood trauma if we're treating human beings at all.

So we've got people, you know, I think of the demographic of our show and, you know, it tends to be women 40 plus who are struggling with weight, weight regain, autoimmune disease, et cetera. And you, you started first with, like, they never asked what was the end of my fork. And then you couple that with. They never, you know, never address trauma. How much is trauma? This, these aces a trigger for, you know, keeping weight on for autoimmune, for any of these types of things that you're dealing with. What are you seeing in your clinic with this? And then I'm going to follow up with, like, what the heck do you do about it?

Right. Well, it's a huge trigger. I'd say it's 75%, 80% maybe. Think about trauma, chronic trauma as a child, right? That HPA axis, that chronic turning on of cortisol and epinephrine and norepinephrine, never knowing, just like with me, never knowing when that bear was going to come through that door. And so every time when I went to bed at night, I thought about that and I didn't sleep. I didn't sleep well because I never knew when someone was. When one person was going to come through the door. It's the exact same thing. That's that chronic turning on stress, never being able to dial down that cortisol shooting out of those adrenal glands. Well, what does that lead to? Well, adrenal dysfunction, belly fat, weight around the middle, weight gain, unable to lose weight, chronic depression, anxiety. I mean, the list goes on and on. It's huge. It's huge for and Especially your demographic is my demographic as well. And when we start addressing that. So how do we address that? Well, the first thing I do in the office is I do an elimination diet on them.

Amen.

And it's the funniest thing. No, you just have no idea. This is the book I sent my mom.

She's holding up the book. If you're. If you're listening, not watching, this is.

JJ Virgin's the Virgin Diet. So I have literally sold thousands of books for this woman because when I got out of school in 2010, we were doing an elimination diet. So we handed out handouts. Well, in 2000. When did this come out?

2012 came out in 2012. And the elimination diet, by the way, wouldn't you agree? Like, the old elimination diet was not what it needed to be. It was complicated. It didn't. Didn't address the most common food intolerance. I didn't understand it. Like, why are strawberries and oranges on here?

Yes, yes. And so when. And so I started with the elimination because I was like, I don't have any idea what these people are talking about. I've got a fashion design brain. I don't know what they're saying. Ashwagandha, rhodiola. These women were way smarter than me. So I started with elimination, which was perfect. We'll come to find out. That's where you begin, anyway. And then JJ wrote this book that every single patient I started on, and I still do to this day, eight years later, the very first step in my practice, and I have a whole handout, is, number one, begin the Virgin Diet. And I send them to Amazon or Barnes and Noble to get the book eliminating the top seven foods for 21 days. And then we get into food sensitivity and things like that. That's how I get started. The second you know this, the second they start to feel better, they are motivated to keep going forward. But when I asked them to cut out gluten, dairy, soy, corn, sugar, artificial sugar, sugars, and peanuts, they're horrified. Because I grew up in Gilbertsville, Kentucky. I'm in Nashville, Tennessee. That is the bulk of what we eat. You know that.

But so the answer is, that's so awesome, because think how much better you're going to feel quickly. Wow.

You bet.

Right?

And so that's the first step. And once they start getting that gut cooling, that inflammation down in the gut, and we know the. The gut and the brain are 100% connected, so their anxiety gets lower, their depression gets better, their migraines start to get better.

I think you're a genius.

You bet. We work on eating well, sleeping well, then moving well, pooping well, decreasing stress, and cultivating community. And, and we tie it all in, all six steps to healing. And it works. But I really encourage them. You know, we can't address this trauma until we get you in therapy and in treatment. So I've got a tremendous amount of amazing trauma counselors in my toolbox that I send people to if they can't afford it. Like I couldn't, I couldn't afford this at all 11 years ago. So we have a sliding scale off group that I send patients to as well. And we work on it emotionally, physically, spiritually, mentally, and sexually. It just works. It's common sense medicine.

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So this is something we have actually never talked about. And I think it's really important piece to think about. And it sounds like they can just go. Can you just take the assessment online to see where you.

They can take it online, absolutely. If you type in adverse childhood experience questionnaire, NPR has one on there. They've got a beautiful test on there. You take the test and it gives you your results and it explains it. And then you can also. There's an incredible book, the Deepest well by Nadine Burke Harris. Phenomenal book on aces. She's a pediatrician. She's the surgeon general actually, in California. And then, of course, the body keeps score.

Yes, the body keeps score. Okay, I'm glad you brought that up because I think that's, you know, I talk a lot about things that can cause weight regain, weight loss, resistance. And, you know, this is one of those that we have never addressed before, but can absolutely be a, you know, be a cause. And it's always interesting how they're all related. You know, adrenals are related to trauma and adrenals are related to insulin. It's related to thyroid. So it's all this web. Now, when you talked about the six, you rattled through them and I'd love you to take some time now and just give the like each of your six steps and key points about each one of those for the listeners, eat.

Well, which we already talked about. So we start with an elimination. If you can't eat well, you definitely are not going to sleep well. Your body heals when you sleep. And I have an entire chapter on making your bedroom a sanctuary. Getting the electromagnetic fields, I can't get away from, the light in front of me, the computer plugged in in front of me, the phone right now, all of that. But at bedtime, your bedroom needs to be a sanctuary and you need to get the crap out of the bedroom. If you have a cluttered, junked up bedroom, you can't rest. If you've, if you're plugged into everything, you can't rest. So sleep is key. Magnesium, taking Epsom salt baths. I mean, I go into that and I really work hard with getting people to sleep because again, if you can't sleep, you definitely won't eat well.

I'm going to tell you an interesting story that happened this summer. We have so far. So my husband, when I met him, he said, yeah, I sleep five hours a night. I'm like, yeah, that's not going to work. I love you. And we're going to start sleeping now. He's the eight to nine hour sleeper. We track our sleep. This past summer we rented an Airbnb. Crazy enough this Airbnb, the master bedroom had, you know, was kind of a master bedroom bathroom all open and they had a stained glass window in the bathroom and nothing to cover it.

With all that lead, with all that.

Going, yes, just a mess all the way around. I'm like, oh my gosh. And so we had to sleep with eye masks on every single night, which is not comfortable, you know, I know. You know, it's like, I don't know.

How people do that. Actually, I took the, the Gauss meter. I always forget it when I travel. I took it to our conference in, in Scottsdale or in Phoenix or Scottsdale last month and I gauss metered my room to see how hot where the electromagnetic fields were. And actually it was very good. But in most hotels you'll see they are extremely high right at the head of the bed. So sleeping is key and you've got to make your bedroom a sanctuary. Eat well, sleep well, move well. You have to move. Your body is designed to move. You know this better than any of us and you don't have to. If you are exhausted after you go to CrossFit, then guess what? CrossFit is the wrong exercise for you. And you tell a crossfitter that they have to change from that for a while. They are mad as I gotta tell.

You though, I find for most women, CrossFit is not the right thing.

Well, that's the reason I mentioned that.

I was like, I'm right there with you.

So two, it's definitely not. Boy, oh boy. If you have to come home and take a nap, things are bad. You should have more endorphins. Your sex drive should be better. After you exercise, your energy should be better. So we got to find it. Whether it's hula hooping, walking, yoga, I don't care. I just need you moving.

I know. Did you notice this year at Mindshare Leadership Summit I put dance breaks in all throughout so that people would move and boost their endorphins and have fun.

And people were dancing at the stage, people were dancing in the aisles, people were dancing at their table. That's outside. You gotta eat well, sleep well, move well. You have to poop well. Amen for the pooping, simple as that. I pooped like a goose for 44 years. Ridiculous diarrhea, just constant. That's not healthy either. But you need to poop. If you're pooping every three days or every two days, you are constipated. So we've got to work on pooping. But guess what? If you're not eating well, if you're not sleeping well, if you're not moving well, you're not going to poop well, it all works together. Get a squatty potty. I mean, I've got tip after tip after tip in this book on pooping because it's huge for me. And again, that's what the bulk of my world revolved around. Where are the public restrooms?

Right.

If you've got massive diarrhea, that's not normal. If you have to know where every restroom is in New York City, that's a problem. So we've got to get you pooping. And most people are chronically dehydrated. I mean, even if you just drank enough water, most people would get their bowels moving a little quicker. I have an 18 week old standard poodle. I just got that dog is the happiest dog. When they poop, we should poop like a dog. You should eat and go and poop. Not that much longer and they're thrilled to death about it. So you got to eat well, sleep well, move well, poop well. You've got to de stress well, stress will kill you. Stress almost killed me.

So what do you do to de stress? Well.

Well, for me now, I go and exercise more, and, you know, I set boundaries. And there's a huge part in this section of that de stress. Well, I automate, eliminate, and delegate everything I can in my life. I learned the hard way on that one. And so by setting boundaries, by cutting the soul suckers out of my life, the ones who were really sucking the air out of me. There's nothing that says you have to have people literally sucking the life out of your body. And you also don't have to do everything what gets on your schedule. J.J. virgin. If she's over or stressed out, you're the one who said yes to that schedule. So we need to automate, eliminate, and delegate everything we can. For me, man, my stress level is so much better than it was even two years ago. I've just learned to manage it better. My mom has Alzheimer's right now. Well, she has Alzheimer's period, and she's not going anywhere. I'm an only child. That's very stressful for me. But I only do what I can. I cannot. And I'm the only child, and I'm the only caregiver of her, the woman who didn't care for me. It's been a real interesting experience for me. So I've learned to set my boundaries, to set my boundaries and do it. So we got to de stress well, and that's different for everyone. Not everyone can quit their job. Not everyone can get out of a bad marriage like I did. But I tell people, find a plan and get out. Do whatever it is to decrease the stress in your life, and then you have to commune. Well, community is key for me, my stress level goes down. Last night, the book came out. Yesterday I had a little party at a restaurant for just some of my closest people. I laughed. That's community. You heal when you have community.

I feel like that one has been so, like, if you look back thousands of years, this was so key. Like, this is. We didn't survive. And especially women, you know?

You bet well. And if you ever read the Red Tent, right, About community. So, I mean, when you have your period and everyone went to the red tent. Well, I always talk about this with people, you know, for people who believe in Jesus. Jesus believed in community. He had community, and he had flawed, flawed, flawed people around him. And then inside his community of 12 there, he had even a tighter group inside that 12. You don't have to have 100 people in your community. It doesn't take many roots to hold up a big old tree. Community is key. And we are the loneliest community, the loneliest society we've ever been. And look at the last 18 months, two years. And I'm the cultivator in my world. I'm the cultivator in my neighborhood, creating the neighborhood cookouts I did last year during. During COVID I'm the cultivator and my friends, somebody has to be the leader. Now, sometimes you get tired of being the leader, but it's key. It's key for decreasing inflammation in your body, for decreasing your cortisol levels. When you laugh with your community and you're looking eyeball to eyeball to your people, think about what happened at the conference last month at the summit when we got to see each other eyeball to eyeball and people literally touched. We are designed to be in community. We are not designed for social isolation. There's no such thing.

And to be afraid of people, they do that in prisons to punish people.

Yes. Isn't that something? So eat well, sleep well, move well, poop well, decrease stress and cultivate community. It's common sense. And it's what I do for a living. Thank you, jj. Oh, I just love you. Thank you.

So that was probably one of the most mind blowing stories that I've heard. I still am getting over the fact that Danny went from having a maternity store and being a fashion designer to deciding to become a nurse practitioner and going into nurse practitioner school on food stamps with young babies. Holy smokes. She is quite a brave woman. And to confront her trauma and now to help so many people with this as well. So I'm going to advocate for going and taking that assessment, the adverse childhood experience assessment, and then also to make sure that you get her food swaps@jjburgin.com Dani and I will see you on the next show. Thanks for tuning in.

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