The Hormone Shift with Dr. Taz Bhatia

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I am so excited about the concept that I'm about to share with you from the book the Hormone Shift by Dr. Taz Batia. I'm going to bring her on and we are going to walk through two phases of life and how she talks about them, how she names them and really where women are moving upwards to what we should aspire to and how we can work with our physiology to do that. So you're going to hear Dr. Taz's story about, you know, how she got into all of this, how we can easily get gaslit in medicine and how to avoid that and she walks through how to do that again in her book. Let me tell you a little bit about her before I bring her on. She is a board certified Integrative Medicine physician, wellness expert and the founder of Center Spring MD. By the way, at Center Spring MD, they have literally treated now over 40,000 people. She has written what Doctors Eat, the 21 Day Belly Fix and SuperwomanRx. We'll be talking more about superwomen and commanders soon. Just throwing that out there. She she integrates Eastern medical wisdom with modern science and she also has created this unique power type discovery and because of that she's been on the Today show, Good Morning America, cnn. She even had her own public television show, Superwoman Rx. She also has the Superwomen Wellness Podcast and again, her new book is the Hormone Shift and we will have her Hormone guide free for all of you along with some other links to her podcast. Her book a guide you can get with her book. All you need to do is go to jjvirgin.com Dr. Taz D R T A Z and I will be right back with her. So stay with me.

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Dr. Taz, welcome. I guess.

Welcome back.

I think you've been on before. Glad you're back and sharing your information. And you know, I think your journey is so important because I shudder to say this, but I think that's probably true that, that it's a journey that a lot of women have experienced. So what I would love to dig into is how you got into this as a doctor, what your own health struggles were and what happened because of it.

I always talk about, you know, my place in medicine right now as an integrative and holistic medical doctor, as a complete accident. I was your gung ho, ER, ICU type physician and really thought that's the space I would be in. But having gone through residency, you know, medical school, then starting an ER job, flip flopping night and day and not really knowing how to take care of myself, you know, I was a child of the 80s, so Diet Coke and popcorn were healthy. And, you know, all those different things that we grew up with, you know.

I loved those days, though.

I know, right? So my, my health started to go down, but it went down very subtly. It's not like it was super obvious and you realize it, but it was really slow and really subtle. Things like acne started to show up, I started to lose hair, I started to have joint pain and joint swelling. I gained weight. And all this is happening over the course of a few years until the people around me were starting to notice and make comments, right? Like, that's how checked out I was. But they were like, are you okay? Something's not right. Even patients in the ER and they would like be like, girl, you picked up weight, you know, And I'm like, what? So finally my mom and now my husband kind of shook me and they're like, something's different, something's wrong. You need to go get checked out. So that journey of getting checked out and going from your primary care to like six different specialists, being told essentially at each of those visits that I was just stressed or I was anxious or I wasn't sleeping enough and, you know, all of that was like, okay, I know. And then being offered anxiety medications, depression medications, and not really getting to the bottom of what was happening with me. And I think my last stop on that journey, which by the way, takes a while, right when you're working. It took me about 18 months to get through all these different visits. And the last stop was with a hair loss specialist who took a look at me and was like, hey, take this. It was a medication. He goes, if you don't, you know, I was 28 at the time. He goes, you're going to be bald by the time you're 30. And so at that point, I'm just fatigued and I'm tired of it. And so I didn't question, I took the medicine, didn't look at the side effects, and on a particular morning, popped the medicine, went off to the gym, did a big workout, got back out, and in that span of time, my blood pressure bottomed out. So I'm in my car driving, I already have low blood pressure. One of the side effects of this medicine is to lower blood pressure. And I bottom out, I pass out and end up wrecking my car. And so unfortunately, it took that extreme incident for me to be like, I gotta figure this out. This is not working. And so I just went digging and I found, you know, this is over 20 years ago. So we didn't have Google to the extent that we have it now. So somehow found the American Board of Holistic Medicine, took a weekend course and was just like, oh my God, I didn't even know all this stuff existed. You know, somehow stumbled into the world of Chinese medicine. And those guys really helped me. They helped me heal to the point that I became an acupuncturist. I'm a licensed acupuncturist, became a certified nutritionist as well, because I learned about food, which we ironically didn't learn about in medicine school. So the importance of food and food is medicine. And so I'm putting these pieces together and I'm healing myself. I'm starting to get better. And the crux of all of it was a hormone story, really, it was that I had a thyroid issue. My thyroid had crashed, I have pcos. And all of that was being driven by the flip flopping of night and days that my job demanded and by a very unhealthy gut. We have gluten intolerance, which is now, we understand, rampant throughout the entire family. Different versions of celiac. And so as I put those pieces together, I got better. And it took a year, it took probably two years actually for me to really get better. So this is a three or four year journey and everybody around me is wanting to know what I did. And so that was the impetus really to start a practice. I did the fellowship in Integrative Medicine with Andy Weil. And you know, my husband forced me to start. He goes, you got all this information, just share it with people. And we didn't really expect what happened next. We pretty much got slammed. And I'm sitting here now with you. We're going to celebrate our 15th anniversary this year. And we've seen collectively, as a team, over 40,000 patients. And I'm really sad to Tell you that the story hasn't changed. People still go into these exam rooms. They present with different symptoms. Women are still told that they're getting old or it's in their head, or this is a normal part of aging. You know, we don't need to check your hormones. Hormones have nothing to do with X, Y or Z. And it's still what people are hearing, the same things that I heard over 20 years ago. And so, you know, I just really realized that if we're going to start moving medicine forward, which you do, and so many people do nowadays, we've got to put the information in everyone's hands so that we help make them advocates for their own health. And so my latest book, the Hormone Shift, is an attempt to do that, to really do a brain dump of what I've seen in the exam room and how I really want all women to understand this. It's not just about getting pregnant or going into menopause. It's about every age and every stage and how critical it is for us to understand this very important piece of our health.

Yeah, because you look at it and go, if you could have this happen to you with all of your training and background, 18 months of going place to place, and you look at the average person without any medical background, going to a doctor, being told this is normal, just aging, you know, I think of these different things. It's normal, it's just aging. It's just whatever it is. I mean, there's a lot of work to be done to have people understand that it's not normal and it's not in your head. And, you know, what would you say? And I know the book, which I have right here, and I went through, which is fantastic. You did a great job. And I love some of the names that you use, which I want to talk about the command, et cetera. But how does one start to inform themselves? Because that's really what needs to happen here, is the doctor has to be off the pedestal, has to become a partner. The person needs to walk in as informed as possible, but also with a history that they can share as much as possible as well. And I think, you know, know that if that doctor's not interested in listening to those things, that that doctor is not their doctor. Right, Definitely.

And I. And I've been saying this a lot because it's not so much everyone's like, do I need to go to a hormone specialist? What type of doctor do I need to go to? And my answer back is, you go to the doctor that can be collaborative and be your partner in this journey. And sometimes that's a general practitioner, sometimes it's a gyn, sometimes it's a functional medicine or integrative doctor. But I'm not even so picky about which doctor. They just need to be collaborative. And I think if you're sitting and listening and you feel like you've been on this journey that I'm describing, the first part is to really understand your own body. And I think so many of us live outside of our bodies and not in them. I was guilty of that as well. And by being in your body and paying attention to changes in your mood, changes in energy, changes in your weight, what is your cycle doing? Or have you lost a cycle? You know, are you in pain, like really having like a heart to heart with yourself, you know, and understanding what your body's doing is really the first step. And that's not just for your self awareness and self education. It's also so you can articulate effectively when you enter a medical experience. Right? Saying I don't feel well is very vague. But saying I'm a high energy person now, I can't get out of bed, that's a very definite change. Or my weight is usually here now I'm 20 pounds heavier within three weeks. What just happened? These are tactical, tangible changes. So I think the more we can understand what's going on with us, the better. I think. Secondly, the good news of today, which wasn't there in my time, in my early time when I was sick, is that there's such an ability to be able to take ownership by checking your hormones or checking your levels and getting data and testing. And when you arm your symptoms with data and you're able to narrow that gap, well, you make it easier for the medical provider sitting in front of you. But you also realize that you're not crazy, right? Like really these things are off, you know, So I think those two things are things that I would challenge everybody honestly to do, to really understand themselves and have a good picture of who they are and what their health looks like so that they can catch the shifts and changes when they happen.

You know, it's interesting that you were saying this and it, it actually just came up. I was listening to a podcast where the podcast host said, yeah, you should go, you know, see an endocrinologist if you're concerned about, I think it was like a thyroid issue or something like that. And I was thinking back to one of my girlfriends who was an endocrinologist and a thyroid Fellow who got in trouble for prescribing bioidentical hormones because it was supposedly out of her scope. And then you look at it and go, why would hormones be out of any doctor's scope? Because your hormones are like, I never thought about it until you started to say it. I go, that is ridiculous. You're just going to pull thyroid over here and say that's distinct from what's going on with your estrogen and progesterone and testosterone. And don't talk about cortisol, because that's another doctor over here is craziness. And then you think about it and go, how is this person supposed to operate if they have to go for their gut problem over here and their thyroid problem over here? And when the reality is they are all interconnected in the first place. You mentioned some things, and I think it's really interesting in terms of, like, what should someone be watching for at home? Like, what are some of those signs that you, as a physician, if someone came in, you would be so thrilled that they go, here are all the things that I've noticed. How could a patient help their doctor, help them better?

I think that, you know, there are some key things that I'm always listening for, and number one is changes in mood. Where you're a happy, joyful person, normally you've gone dark. That's a change. That's a chemical change. We always blame life, but sometimes it's a chemical change and your hormones are tied to that change. So more anxiety, more depression. Had the patient the other day who suddenly can't go over a bridge, you know, because she's hit menopause and now bridges are scary to her. So these are very descriptive to me. This is not made up. Secondly, I think changes in sleep, right, you could fall asleep, stay asleep. Now you're not able to sleep at night. You're waking up in the middle of the night, you're having hormonal symptoms like hot flashes or night sweats. That's a definite change. Nobody can dismiss that. I think weight, as much as we all, like, criticize talking about weight, getting into weight, it's a real symptom. It truly talks to the body. It's like if you start to see more belly fat, if you start to see your weight going up and you can't put an obvious explanation to it, right? We've all had the seasons where we splurged, or like me coming off an injury, maybe a little bit more inactive. But if you can't explain it, then that's a change that the doctor needs to know about. I think pain is another one. You know, whether it's pelvic pain or abdominal pain or joint pain. Right. Or new knee pain, Whatever it is. I think pain is something that if you can describe and localize and be clear about, then a doctor has a little bit more to work with. And if you are a woman who is menstruating, changes in your cycle. Right. I think that's a very obvious one. Or missing a cycle or missing multiple cycles. I think those are all things, as a female, that we need to be communicating and looking at in the overall arc of our health.

These are really easy ones to track. You know, I will tell you, during the pandemic, I weigh myself every single day, and I take the average, and I, you know, do body composition, and all of a sudden, I get on the scale, my weight's up a pound. Well, I look at the average over a week. So I'm like, okay, next day, it's up another pound. Next day, it's up another pound. Next day, it's up another pound. And then I'm like, what the heck is going on? And it went up, I think, like, five or six pounds. It's staying there, and it's starting to continue to climb. And I'm like, what on earth is happening here? Like, nothing has changed. The stress of what had happened because of, you know, it wasn't actually the pandemic. It was some other business stuff that happened hit me so hard. It triggered an autoimmune gastritis situation. It was funny. Cause I ping all my doctor friends. I go, all right, here he is. What do y' all think? Do you know Dr. Alan Christensen?

Yes.

So he's been my doctor for.

He's my thyroid doctor.

Love this.

He's been doing my stuff forever. And he goes. Because I think he's just, like kind of a channeled ninja. He goes, bettis. Autoimmune gastritis. It was sure enough, and I think back, if I hadn't been tracking, because it's the pandemic, I'm wearing lululemon every day. Like, if you were not stepping on the scale, you would not have been aware of this situation. But it was so obvious with the scale, and I was able to catch it immediately and get that thing fixed. And I want to always use the scale, but I want to use a bioimpedance scale. I think for so many women, they stay away from the scale, but it's one of great biometric tools that can tell you right away if something's going sideways for you.

Very true, very true. And you bring up the point about stress. And I think, you know, I've learned it with me, I've learned it with patients. You know, stress is really one of those sneaky things that come in and we're not aware of it, but it is changing our biochemistry drastically. And oftentimes I find myself in the exam room navigating that conversation, because that was the trigger that really sent all the hormones haywire. And now people are seeing changes.

It's just too bad there's not a very easy way to measure it. Like, there's other things. You can put the case together, but, you know, it's. It's not like there's a. A thing that you can do that will say, look at this. I had a lab director force me to take an adrenal salivary index. I was like, oh, no, I don't need that. And of course he was like, right. That. It was. I was totally adrenally exhausted. And it got to be a joke where I would go and fix all my stress stuff and then do it again. You know, it's fine. Like, maybe just don't do that. But, you know, I think it would be interesting to look at because you can see all the ramifications of what the stress of flipping your sleep cycles and just being in that constant fight or fight. Like, I don't know how ER doctors do it.

Really.

What is the longevity of their career? Like, 10 years. And then they have to.

Yeah, 10 years. Otherwise, they usually. There's some. A price to pay of some kind. But you know what, in response to tracking, I love nowadays, like, heart rate variability, blood sugar monitors, sleep tracking, those can be warning signs to you that you're shifting into a stress state. And it's been fascinating, like putting these glucometers on patients, because even me, I'm embarrassed to say, like, you know, home, my normal life, pretty good. Like, drink my water, eat my food, get my protein. Like, try to do all the things. And I go on vacation and I eat dessert and I have a drink every now and then. Guess what? My blood sugars are lower. So it's a testament to stress and how it can really impact what's happening there. So that happened to me. I've had other patients, especially the PCOS population, where, oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm gaining weight. I'm gaining weight. So they start hitting the gym, they start doing super heavy weights. They load up on the protein, and they See results for a period of time, but then there's this weird crossover place where either that in itself is generating cortisol for them because they already have so many cortisol and insulin issues, and they actually start to gain. So I think understanding, like looking at these softer markers like heart rate variability, sleep, blood sugar can kind of tell you what your body's doing in response to whatever routine you're adopting. Because the other thing I firmly believe, and we experience it as women because we cycle and change so much, but even we get locked into a particular way of eating or a particular way of exercising. But by monitoring this stuff, you understand that the body is very fluid and there are times where you need to pivot or adapt or change what you're doing for a couple of weeks and then go back to your regular routine. And some of these trackers are actually helpful in understanding that information.

You know, I'm really careful about stopping eating three to four hours before bed. And I guess one night I don't remember where we were. We ended up out to dinner late, and the next morning I wake up, CGM is elevated, my blood sugar is elevated, and my aura ring goes. Looks like you ate late last night. Like literally set in the thing.

Wow.

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Definitely. So I called these women. So these are sort of 38 to about 50 or so. And really roughly, you know, age boundaries. But women are in perimenopause. This is the time when we're truly seeing hormones decline. You know, whether we like it or not, there is a gradual shift downward. So we're seeing estrogen start to go down a little bit. Progesterone may have been already declining in the shift prior, but now you see a further decline in progesterone, for sure. And you see cortisol levels go up. And they go up partly because those two primary hormone levels have gone down. And as cortisol goes up, blood sugar goes up, insulin goes up. So we start to deal with this, like, mesh of like, belly fat, not being able to sleep, having shorter cycles, having very heavy cycles. You know, many women complain that their cycles are, are super, super heavy and have to get like an ablation or something along those lines. And they're having all this hormone fluctuation in chemistry going on through this phase and as it extends, and maybe you start to lose your cycle where you start skipping cycles. All of this is going on, but it's happening at the exact same same time where women are probably at their peak of multitasking and juggling. Their careers. Have, like, usually you're on the upswing. You're in that role, the one that you've always kind of gunned for or hoped for. Your children may not be babies, but they're in still a very high demand phase. So you have to be very involved in all the juggling and multitasking of that. And then relationships take an interesting turn or growth. I feel like it's a very defining time where a relationship will, you know, either grow to the next level or it will kind of start to, to become very stressful, and both people will feel uncomfortable. And usually you have aging relatives, whether it's parents or whoever else, so you're, you're really multitasking and juggling between all these different roles while you're having these hormone shifts. So many women just feel defeated. In perimenopenopause and menopause, many of them come to me and don't feel good. And because they feel so defeated, they're engaging in behaviors that are not ideal. Right? So they're eating late, they're not eating, they're drinking a lot. They are maybe craving sugar or craving salt, but they're just in this really, really high stress phase. So I call them superwomen because I don't think I met a woman honestly. And I say this, and I'm not trying to be cliche, I don't think I've met a woman who's not a superwoman. Every woman I know, you know, especially in this time period, is doing 20 things. And so the fallout for them is pretty big. And the consequences of them not feeling good is pretty big, too. This is where we see a lot of divorce. This is where we see a lot of Issues at work in terms of I'm quitting, I'm done, I can't handle this anymore. And I don't want that for women. I think that if we feel good, then we're going to make better decisions no matter what they are about our lives. So I really want women to understand through this particular phase that they can balance their hormones and they don't have to. Again, there's all this fear around hormones and taking a hormone and being on a hormone, right? We don't have to go from zero to a hundred right away, you know, before you actually have to take a hormone. There's so much to do in between, like cleaning up your diet, getting those nutrients in. I can guarantee you us women, probably women around the world, by the time they hit 40, they're probably nutritionally depleted. So what nutrients are you missing? For me, what I see in lab work is often the B vitamins and magnesium and the fats. Oftentimes they're under eating protein, so they're losing muscle rapidly at the same time. So focus there, focus on diet if you're not ready to dig in deeper. But ideally you would get your hormones checked, you know, and I list all of those out in the book, and you would really understand which one was giving you the most trouble, because there are answers. You know, if your progesterone is really low, let's go on some progesterone while we're working on diet and everything else. If your thyroid now is way off, after decades of being super stressed and doing a lot, you might benefit from a little bit of thyroid, right? And if it's blood sugar or insulin, well, then let's manage that so that you're not now over exercising and under eating and wondering why you're not losing weight and feeling worse and crushing your hormones even more. So super. Women are in a very unique place because it's the most chaotic, most stressful, most sort of like what is happening to my body phase, I think more so even than women in menopause, to be a hundred percent honest. So. So this is a really important phase to kind of dig in and really understand you.

I love that you just said, I think back to my life then. And I will say post menopause is like the greatest thing ever. If I could have just boop, magic carpet right over to that, like that's the message I always say to all women is when you get to this other side, it's so amazing. But I think back to my time in that life and I nearly went Bankrupt, went through a divorce. You know, dad died. One of my sons got diagnosed with special needs, then got hit by a car. Like, it was just like ba boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right? Like just craziness stuff going on while your hormones, even with those things not going on, would start to go into flock. And then you got that, you know, it's like being out in the middle of the ocean on a paddleboard. You're like, okay. And I always like to say, you know, work on all the diet, lifestyle stuff first. You have no margin for error in this period. Like, the thing in your 20s, like, okay, you could, like, totally stay out late one night, drink too much next day, you might feel a little crappy, but you're fine. Not anymore, man. You have a glass of wine and you're trashed.

You know, it's like, what the heck happened?

And so you gotta get all of those pieces dialed so then you see what you really need. And I just hate to see women suffer when they don't need to. Like, I was so lucky at that time that I was surrounded by friends who were doctors and had thyroid when I needed, got estrogen when I needed, got to, you know, never had to suffer through any of that because you don't need to. And I think that's the biggest takeaway is do not needlessly suffer here. And, you know, when you talk about labs, and I know in the book, you list the labs, and we also have the guide that we're going to give everybody labs versus symptoms. Because again, as you're doing lab testing, you're going to be taking labs in a snapshot. And I know the hormones fluctuate. So what are the labs telling you and how important is it to combine that with symptoms and then have a doctor that can work with you in that way?

I think it's critical. And I've educated my team. You know, we have a team of about 12 currently that work with us. I'm like, I understand labs guide us and they can turn us in a particular direction. But listen, because the history is actually more critical. Because oftentimes, here's what I find with lab work after doing this for so long, is that the labs are actually behind the patient. The patient may be telling you something. The labs are not quite there yet. So you have to understand that when you're interpreting lab work, so do labs. And I hear a lot about, like, when to do labs, can't do labs, which lab is best? Just please do labs. Let's make it harder than it needs to be at this point in time, you can go to LabCorp, you can go to Quest, you can order probably every single lab, even on your own that I have in the book. You'll have to self pay for it without a doctor's order, but it's possible.

And sometimes it's even cheaper that way.

With some totally right. And then, you know, or you go to your doctor, ask for a lab order and get it done that way. Or you self order any one of these tests that are out there now. And I don't think, you know, doctors have a tendency to get into academic debates. I don't think we need to get into a big academic debate about which test is best. I think what we really need to be saying is pick a test, stick with it and test repetitively. Because if we can look at your trends and patterns, regardless of the test, then we can understand what's going on with you and then tie it into your symptomology and into your history. And a good practitioner is going to do both. Patient yesterday called doctors techno docs. Like, it's just like you do. You look at the tech and then you make an answer. Good doctors don't do that. They really are listening, they're processing, they're looking at data and they're then trying to arrive at a conclusion. And you can find those doctors. I think the integrative and functional community is full of doctors like that. I think that community is pretty strong there. But there are good general practitioners that want to do that and desire to do that too. So I don't want to knock them out of the game, you know. So I think it's really going to be practitioner dependent and you interviewing a doctor and seeing if you have that collaborative relationship and if you don't and you're told that you're old or there's nothing you need to do, or somebody else is, you know, this is stupid or whatever else and you need to move on.

Good point. Okay, now let's go into the commanders. I love when I read this, I.

Was like, yes, yes. Okay, so I love this. So this is sort of 52, 3, 4 and above, right? Depending on when you go into menopause. This is very important for me and here's why. I, as you know already about my background, I spent a lot of time studying Eastern medicine. And when you look at Chinese medicine or Ayurvedic medicine or like even Native American medicine, like old, old systems of medicine that are thousands of years old, women aspired to be in this phase of life. This was the most revered phase of life. They were held up as an elder, they were held up as a mentor. They were supposed to in turn, command or lead the rest of society, right? So they were the matriarch, they were responsible for the family, and they were really giving younger women guidance and direction. What we've done is we've flipped that dialogue. I feel like where women today, at least historically, in the last probably a hundred years, when you hit 50 or 55, then you're sort of relegated to the sidelines, right? Like, you somehow are deemed as not as important. And I've seen women accept that. You know, I've seen them accept, like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm old, or I can't do that because my number is X. And nothing could be further from the truth. This is actually where women give birth to themselves. You've done a lot of probably caretaking and nurturing and juggling and career whatever throughout the years, but now you really get to dial in and decide what you want the next 20, 30 years to look like. And so for me, you know, getting through the hormone component, or hormone chaos, as we called it in perimenopause, and getting into this phase of life where the hormones are truly depleted. You're low estrogen, you're low progesterone, you're low testosterone, you know, your DHEA and some of these other hormones are truly low. The challenge there is, how do you feel in this state? Do you need hormone replacement therapy again? How much can you do with the right diet that really nourishes you, giving you the protein and the fats, all these other things that we need? And where are you mentally and physically? And I think what women do today, oh, I'm losing my memory. You know, I hear that one all the time. I can't focus. I'm losing my memory. Or, yeah, you know, I'm losing muscle. I'm just getting old. Like, they accept that narrative. And I really want to turn it around. I want to be like, it doesn't have to be that way. You don't have to post 5560, sit around and say that you're old and that you can't do X, Y and Z because of it. You're actually supposed to be rising into the highest expression of yourself, into your power. So how can we help you? Do you need supplements, hormones, herbs, acupuncture? Like, what is it going to take to get you to that place? And again, there's a whole toolbox of answers depending on who you are. But I think it's the mindset that we really need to shift. And that's why I called this phase Commanders, because I'm like, you know what? Let's command. Let's own. We've learned so much. Let's share that knowledge, and let's make sure we're leaving, like, the generation behind us even stronger than when we came through. And I think the other part of this, too, is just the realization, like, women today live, you know, till 80 or 90. And, you know, if you're 50 and you're going to live till 80 or 90, you have a solid 30, 35, 40 years to do whatever's next. So why would you do it? Not feeling good. And I really want women to think that way. I get so excited. I feel like I'm a cheerleader sometimes. I get super excited when, like, I've had some of my patients, like, in their 50s, go to law school or start a business, you know, or start going into public service or government work or things like that. Those are commanders. And that's really where we should all be.

Yeah, it is. My whole next book's focus is all on powerful aging. And I love this whole title and idea, because what I see that we do in the United States, where we really mess things up, is you look at other places, and when they talk blue zones and all that, I go, what I see that's different in the blue zones is that they revere the elders.

Yes. Very much.

Like we're all talking about, oh, they eat this or don't. I go, I don't think that's really got anything to do with it. I think that they're very active, they are relevant, and they revere the elders. They have. They are the most important role in the community. And so that changes everything. I don't know if you saw the study that said the way you feel about aging can change your lifespan by seven and a half years. And when I saw that, I went, okay, well, I just turned 60. I'm like, that's it. This is going to be the best. This is the best time of life now. And it really is, when you think about it, for women, like, your kids are older, your parents probably passed. So now you don't. You. You don't have that piece. Cause at some point, you're taking care of your parents and your kids.

Yep.

You're not paying for everybody as much anymore. I still seem to be, but I'm not quite sure why. It's like somehow I missed that memo.

However, it's probably like my daughter. My daughter actually is 16 and she's like, deal with my husband the other day. She's like, dad. So I was thinking instead of college, is there something like a stay at home daughter was like, no, sweetheart, there's really not.

That's the head scratcher one. However, we've got two in college. We've got one on their own, but I've got a son pursuing his PhD in math and thankfully.

Wow.

He. Yeah, he is. He's the one. He's like the Einstein. And what was so interesting is he wanted to go and become a professor and he started to look the path of how long this takes and then ultimately at the end game of that, you're making like nothing.

Yeah.

And. Cause I kept saying, what about AI? What about AI? Now he's like, I'm skipping AI. I'm like, good.

Yay.

Let's go, honey. So anyway, it is though I. You so encompassed it all when you said Commander, I went, every woman says yes. Right. And what's great about that is all of a sudden it's aspirational to get there instead of feeling like over the hill or some ridiculous stuff. So if you are right now in the superwoman phase, it will pass and you'll get to go into this amazing place. And in the meanwhile, I think the most important thing, all the tools in your book show you that you don't have to suffer it, that you can navigate it and you just have to have the tools to be able to do so. And you did such a great job doing that. And I know you have a guide too for everybody that we are going to put@jjvirgin.com Dr. Taz D R T A Z as well as we'll link to the book. I know when they buy the book they can also get another. Cool. What was it they got with that something.

It's the hormone remedy guide. So all the different sort of natural remedies before you actually need a prescription that you can try for different hormone based symptoms.

Awesome. Cool. So lots of resources makes it easy to do and I think that important message of so you don't settle like it is not normal to not feel your ultimate best. Right?

Very much so. I think if that message can get out there that you are not meant to feel badly, you are meant to be well, to feel well. And we're meant to journey up. I don't mean that lightly. We're literally meant to evolve and kind of climb this ladder up to our highest and best expression. Of ourselves. So I get excited seeing what everyone's going to do, about to do, and will do because I just think there's still so much talent and collective power that I really don't want to see wasted.

Exactly. Hey, look at Elon Musk's mother became a supermodel at 71. Wow. The Grammys a couple years ago. And I remember it was, it was Diana ross celebrating her 70th walking through the audience in a big ball gown, and Dolly Parton led the whole thing and she was all, I go, look at this. Look at these people just like owning it, like at their prime. So that's it. Thank you for this powerful message. Amazing book. And again, jjvirgin.com D R T A Z Dr. Taz and I so appreciate everything you're doing.

Thank you.

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