Wine, Fasting & Protein: Melanie Avalon's Longevity Blueprint

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Thank you so much for having me. Jj. I was just reflecting. I first came on your show almost a decade ago, I think, and honestly, it was probably one of my first podcasts at the time. So thank you for. Things have changed so much since then. I've met you in person multiple times now, and. Yeah. So thank you for having me.

Yeah. I think because we have the same literary agent, Celeste. And that was. Was that for what When Wine.

Yes, yes, that was it.

The best title ever.

Yes. Thank you. And we had you on the Intermittent Fasting podcast at the time. I think we did, like, a swap thing.

I think so. Well, let's actually. There's so much to talk about for what When Wine. I loved that book. It was like Paleo eating and drinking wine. And wine's such an interesting subject right now. What is your stance now with alcohol and all of that? Let's dig into that a little bit.

Yeah. This is one of my favorite topics to talk about, for obvious reasons. And you're right. I feel like right now there's a really big, sober, curious movement, so people are kind of really hesitant about drinking alcohol. But I have so many thoughts about alcohol. Do you drink?

So I grew up outside of. Of Napa. I grew up in Berkeley. And literally when I was growing up, you could go to the wine country and no one carded you.

Wow.

And they didn't charge either. So I went off to ucla, and we'd been drinking, like, Opus One and Camus and all these great things. And of course, you go off to college and they've got, like, wine in a box. I'm like, what is that? But I grew up, you know, totally a wine snob. And then. And so I've always had drank wine. And then I got introduced to Todd from Dry Farm Wines, and I got the lecture on wine and what to drink, and then I switched over to entirely only drinking European wines. But I will tell you, I think it was. Cause last year I drank so much wine in one year. We went on this whole like European trip in Spanish wine tasting. And I finally, by the end of the year I was like, I just got over wine. And I've really been barely drinking since then, which is a first for me. So I love wine. It will always be a part of my life. It probably won't be as much as it has been in the past. I did a little damp January and I'm just kind of drinking occasionally.

I like it. I hadn't heard that term damp January. So it's like toning down but not dry.

Yeah, it's like, well, because you hear that and I go, I'm not interested in that. Like, if I go out to a great restaurant and I'm going to have a great dinner, I want a great glass of wine with it. And so I think sometimes the all or nothing has never been for. I'm a very rebellious person who doesn't like rules. And if you tell me I can't do something, I immediately want to do it. So I just went, oh, okay, I'll just have a damp January. And that was fine. I think I had four glasses of wine maybe, and I probably had two in February. But that doesn't mean I'm not gonna go to a great restaurant and have a glass of wine or a bottle of wine. But it also doesn't mean I'm having it every night, which is what I was doing last year. So we switched off of that. So. Yeah, tell me all about your stance on wine, et cetera.

Yeah, no, I love this so much. So it's really interesting because I think it's pretty well known or understood that correlationally at least, wine and alcohol is correlated to health and longevity beneficially. I know there's debates around that, but it's pretty consistent. And the longest lived populations drink alcohol and all of that. My thing that I think is really important that I feel like nobody is talking about is all of these studies that they do on alcohol and health, they. They're not doing dry farm wines in those studies. They're. And they're using really broad categories. So it'll be like alcohol or no alcohol or it'll be like wine, beer, you know, but it's not taking into account the type. And like you're really familiar with Todd and dry farm wines and the concept of what's actually in our wine. So I think like, there needs to be more literature and studies on low alcohol, low sugar, organic wine compared to this conventional stuff like you talked about, you came back and you had, like, wine in a box. Like, who knows what all's in that it's high alcohol, it's high sugar. So I think there's so much to the type of alcohol people are drinking to start. And I know for me, if I were to drink conventional wine or alcohol, it would just, like, wreck me. But I have, like, a glass of dry from wines every night when I go to restaurants. I have my whole. It's really intense, but my whole protocol to find, like, the wine. Like, I'm pretty good. I can usually find wines that will work for me if I go through my whole checklist. Well, what's your checklist? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So. So I love doing this. Basically, when you go to restaurant. Well, depends where you are. So I like to find, you know, nicer restaurants, steakhouses, French restaurants, Italian restaurants. They're gonna have a better selection, typically. Right.

We're not going to a sports bar and having their wine on tap.

Right. And if I'm. I probably shouldn't be saying this, but if I.

Now, I totally want you to say this. Whatever this is.

If I know I'm going somewhere, like a sports bar because of the event and I have to have my drink, I am very good at, like, taking care of myself, you know, sneaking in my dry, firm wines if I have to. But then I will still. I will still order a wine from the restaurant because I want to support the establishment. And then I'll just, like, dump it and refill it with my dry from wines. And nobody, nobody knows.

Sounds like what we used to do at Chuck E. Cheese when we.

Oh, my gosh.

That was like. All the parents brought our little things in.

Oh, I love it. I love it. I know. It's funny. One time I was actually. It's funny because I'm sneaking this, like, wine into places not to, like, sneak in alcohol illegally or anything. It's just because I want to drink what will make me feel good and what's healthy. So I'm. I have good intentions. But it's funny. One time I was trying to do this at a concert or something, and I actually dropped, like, my. I have my ways of sneaking in, and it dropped out at security. It fell on the floor, like, in, like, a juice container. And the security guy was like, what is that? And I also am, like, really big on honesty and not lying. So I literally just told him. I was like, I'm so sorry. I Was like, I can only drink organic wine. Like, I react to wine in there. And he was like, just don't tell anybody. You can bring it in. I was like, okay. So like, I.

Maintenance check.

Yeah. But anyway, what's on the checklist? The checklist. So like I said, finding a restaurant that is going to have, like, European Italian wines and a decent wine list is a good place to start and then going from there. I think a lot of people think that the wine will have to say organic on the. Like on the menu. That's not the case. And that's what I really learned ordering dry from wines, is that there's a lot of wineries, especially in Europe, that practice organic practices, but they're not going to. It's not going to be labeled that in the bottle or in the name. So I. I look at the wines, I center in on the European ones, preferably France or Italian. And then I just go to Google, I put in the name of the winery and I write the word organic after in Google. And it'll usually come up pretty quickly if that winery practices organic practices. So that's step one.

Have you used the vino app?

I do. I love Vivino. Yes, I am. I wish it had a feature for like, organic. I actually want to make this app. Like, I think there should be a Vivino app that is kind of like dry farm wines where it talks. If it talks about if it's organic or not.

Yeah. Because you can read about the winery. But yeah, that would be fantastic. Is to have the. It's kind of like the seed oil app for wine.

I know. Maybe we should. Maybe we should think about doing this.

Problem solved.

I know, I know. Actually, that would. It would do so. So well. I just. It would just take off. I need to do this. But. So in any case, you are just.

Sitting around doing nothing.

I know, I know. So, yeah. So figuring out if the winery is organic or not. And then from there, that usually narrows it down to a couple. So then I have a couple. Then I go on Vivino. I read the tasting notes. I see how far they have it on the dry side, and I see if people are saying that it's a drier wine. And then from there I get really intense. I usually ask the bartender or the server to tell me the abv, the alcohol percentage on the wine. And I try to find one. It's hard at restaurants, but I try to find one not quite dry from wine standards, but 13% or less at restaurants. And. And then if I still have options from there, I'll taste them and I'll see which one tastes like the lightest.

And.

But variety, like varietals wise, I find that, like cab francs from France, Gamay Pinot Noirs, those tend to be low, lower alcohol and, you know, potentially better.

Better.

Better ones to go for and then Italian wines as well. But, like cabs and things like that can be a little heavy on the alcohol, so. Yeah, yeah.

Which is what I grew up drinking.

Yes. Yeah. California.

California cabs. And Todd White totally saved me on that. But you bring up an interesting point. And, you know, it's very. It's. It's very difficult to pull apart the alcohol from everything else that goes along with the alcohol. And so you're like, well, is it the alcohol or was it what you were eating, you know, or was it the other habits that you have? The one thing that I do notice, and I don't notice it with having the glass dry farm wines, but you get into a big. A big cabernet or something like that, and your sleep's just destroyed. It's just destroyed. So. And this will hit you more as you get older. Sadly, it's the sleep piece of the things. But I will say that a glass of lower alcohol dry farm wine doesn't seem to do it. So that's the exciting piece.

Yeah. I also. Things I add on to make it more dry farm wines. Esque. Have you used the. Those wine wands, like the pure wine? I use those. They're supposed to remove sulfites and histamine. I recently found zebiotics I'm obsessed with. I don't know that.

So does that work?

I love it. Yeah. And when I ask my audience about it, everybody's like, yeah, it works. They're. They're a little pricey, is the problem. But I had the founder on my show. If you. I don't know if you'd like to interview him, I could introduce you.

Interesting.

Yeah.

So how does it work?

Yes. So they made the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. And it was a really great conversation because he thinks there's a whole, like, confusion surrounding GMOs. And everybody thinks there's automatically bad. But he talks about how genetic engineering can actually be beneficial. Like in this case. So they actually genetically engineered a probiotic to break down acetyl aldehyde in your stomach because most of it's processed by your liver. But all of it that's in your stomach really doesn't get processed and creates a lot of the negative effects. Of alcohol. So you take it before drinking. And the probiotic breaks down that acetyl aldehyde. I love it.

Wow. So do you notice a difference taking it?

I do, yeah.

Now, do you take that every night?

Okay, so like I said, it's a little bit pricey, so I was just taking it when I go out, but I became so obsessed with it. Now I have, like, a half bottle of it every night to, like, make it more affordable. But, yeah, it. I take. I use it a lot. It's great. I stocked up.

Good to know. Good to know. Interesting. Okay, so we've gotten into that when you wrote the book, what, When Wine. It was wine and intermittent fashion fasting. Now talk to me about intermittent fasting, because I think the last time I talked to you, you were doing one meal a day. Are you still doing that?

I am, yeah. I've been doing it almost a decade now, which is crazy. I do one meal a day in the evening. It's like a massive feast every night. And I love it. Even when I travel, like, when I've met you at conferences, I still do it there.

How do you manage to get in enough protein eating one meal a day?

It's so funny. Our mutual friend Cynthia, she calls me the unicorn because I. I do think a lot of people, especially women, would struggle to get enough protein in one eating window. I am a protein just obsessive lover. So the majority of my meal is protein. And I do eat for about four hours. And I just eat, like, pounds of meat and fish. I just love it.

Like, how much? How much? I could easily. I'm. I'm a. I. I eat about 200 grams of protein a day. Like, I just. I love protein. I'd eat it over, and I've always been that way. The two things I like the most are drinking, like, loads of fluids and protein. But how much are you getting in a day? Like, how much you get in. In that meal?

It's. It's almost embarrassing. I mean, I probably. I mean, I have pounds probably, like maybe like a pound and a half of. I have, like. I love scallops. So I'll have like a pound and a half of, like, scallops, and then I'll usually have like half a pound or so of fish or meat to go with that. I don't really, like, count, but it's probably like 300 grams of protein a day. It's a lot. Ate a lot.

Wow. Well, that study that just came out, which kind of blew everybody's hair off, was, you know, because I remember getting a DM from someone going, I heard you could only digest 27 grams of protein. I'm like, well, couldn't she just think that through and think that sounds ridiculous? But, you know, then that study came out that showed that 100 grams of protein. Now, we don't know the upper limit because all it did was extend muscle protein synthesis. So, you know, seems to be working fine. And are you checking your, you know, monitoring your skeletal muscle mass?

Yeah. So, well, first of all, I'm sure you are well, to talk about that study really quickly because we talked about it with Vanilla Vanessa Spina on the Intermittent Fasting podcast that was so interesting. Basically, I think, is that the one where basically they said that basically they weren't really measuring after a certain amount of time what happened after that. So everybody was assuming that it stopped, but it's because they didn't keep measuring. Right.

I mean, it's just like the big question on the leucine threshold is, from what I've heard, it's not sensitive enough to understand if maybe less leucine. Like, we couldn't really test for muscle protein synthesis. So we think that it requires two and a half or three grams of leucine to get it started. But does it. Because we can't tell. So you know a lot of this stuff. You're like, how much do we really know? So, yeah, that. That one. We don't really know what the upper limit is, and it doesn't really make sense that there would really be an upper limit. Maybe it just would take a whole day for you to. And that's probably what it is with you. You've got a whole day of digesting and assimilating this. You're like a snake.

Exactly. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So with the muscle mass, I don't do. I should. More frequently. Do you do, like, DEXA scans and stuff frequently or.

Yes. So I do Dexa usually every six months. And then I have a. Like a biome peens very similar to the inbody. I have a Tanita, the. The professional one at home, but I'm pretty stable. I would be doing adexa once a year, except my husband had a total hip replacement and then he really blew him up. And so I. We went back in because I wanted him to be able to monitor his skeletal muscle mass again because it's way better the DEXA saying it to him than me saying it to him. Right. So that way I'm not, you know, the meanie over here going, hey, you're losing muscle. The DEXA told them. But I think, you know, if you're fairly stable once a year and then just doing your bioimpedance at home is a good thing.

You're inspiring me. I need to because I don't think I've got, I haven't had a DEXA in a while, so.

Well, you're how old?

34.

So I mean this is that really important time because we start to lose muscle around age 30. So you just want to make sure that like I think we should be packing on as much muscle as possible.

I agree so much. It's funny whenever I interview because I'm haunted by this protein longevity question. So whenever I have anybody on my show who's even remotely knowledgeable on this and especially if they're in the other camp, like, like a lot of the vegan people, like Dr. Gregor do it. Yeah, so what Gregor, Dr. Valter Longo, Dr. Neal Bernard. I'm like protein because I like hearing the opposite, you know, the opposite opinion, which is a very opposite opinion. I'm haunted by this question.

But I think one of the most important things we can do is be critically open minded and hear all sides of the story. Here's my take and I'd love to hear your take on it because I think so for the listeners there are two sides to the longevity story. There are the people that think that you need to keep MTOR low and eat low proteins so that you don't trigger mtor and, and then there's people that want to eat higher protein to trigger MTOR to trigger muscle protein synthesis. My take on it is very similar to insulin or cortisol or any of these other things. You want them high and you want them low and you wouldn't want to have MTOR high all the time. You wouldn't want to have it low all the time. And so that's my confusion with them is because if you look at the most important thing with longevity is muscle mass and if you've got MTOR low all the time, you're going to become sarcopenic and that's not going to help you with longevity. So what are their arguments and how does it make sense for you?

Yeah, no, well, I agree, I agree with you so much about all the things. I agree about listening to all the opinions. So it's interesting because like when I had on Dr. Michael Greger recently and he made the statement that the nutrient, vitamin compound, whatever element of our diet element in general most correlated to longevity was low protein intake And I was like.

And based on what, what was he citing?

Well, he, he cites like a lot of stuff. He kind of like says, you know, he has like his list of all of his studies which cherry pick him. I. Okay, so I will say, reading his book. Okay. I will say he's a very kind person and I think he's doing a lot of amaz things for showing the awareness of the health benefits of food. Like he does a lot of amazing work. I do. And his book is heavily referenced. I do, when I read his book, check the references. And sometimes it is a little bit misleading, which is frustrating. But it's interesting because I agree with you. I think with the MTOR and the IGF one, it seems like the best of both worlds will be having it low, like you said, and then high. And so that's why I love like my one meal day situation because I'm low during the day and then high at night. And I had Dr. Balter Longo on a few times actually, and I asked him if. What he thought about the approach. I do. And he was like, well, we basically just don't know. He was like, it could, that could be the case that your, your fasting is mitigating the negative effects. He's like, well, we just don't know. So like, why do it? And I was like, well, I don't know. To me it seems to make sense mechanistically from the studies, from what I experience health wise. Oh, this was helpful. Okay, this is helpful. I forgot about this. I recently had on Dr. Matthew Dawson and he runs Trudiagnostic and they have a epigenetic health test that looks at your epigenetic age through three different tests. One done with Harvard, one with Duke, and one with another college. But he told me my results were some of the best he's ever seen for a low epigenetic age. So I was like, okay, my high protein diet is clearly not making me age faster epigenetically. This is like data. Yeah, exciting.

I mean, if you look at longevity, one of the biggest risk factors is grip strength, VO2 max, low muscle mass if you're eating low protein. And as we age, we have anabolic resistance. I mean, maybe you could counteract a lot of that with resistance training, but you still have to have the amino acids to make the muscle. So I don't understand. You know, it doesn't make sense to me.

What I think a big part of it too is, is that if we're looking at like hype in studies correlationally high Protein diets. Most people eating a high protein diet, if they're eating, if they're just like a normal person, that means they're probably eating a high calorie diet because there's not a lot of people eating like a low calorie or even maintenance calorie high protein diet. If you're. So it could be, look, there could be, it could be like convoluted there because a lot of the studies on high protein diets and negative health effects might just be high calorie diets.

And you bring up an important point that goes back to even the alcohol conversation too is nutrition is so hard to study because usually you're looking at one thing. Oh, they eat a high protein diet, but it's sort of like the red meat argument. Well, are they eating hot dogs or are they eating a grass fed, grass finished steak? Because those are two different foods, right. And it's like, are you having margaritas and wings or are you having a glass of really good red wine, low alcohol content and some wild salmon? So it's hard to pull these things apart. And it's been my argument with the blue zones too, because they'll go, oh, the blue zones are vegetarian or vegan. I go, no, they're not. I'm sorry, Italy or Greece? Don't think so. You know, I've been to both those places. I haven't seen vegans there. They eat cured meats and cheese and fish.

Exactly.

They drink wine every day with lunch.

Yes, yes. Yeah. What's ironic about that is, and you know that the seven or the blue zone countries that they picked are probably pretty, they could be a little bit cherry picked anyways. But if we were to look at the longest lived populations and find the commonalities, the commonalities would be that they include animal products. It wouldn't be that they don't. Like, like Loma Linda is the only one that is vegan. So making. I don't know why people make that jump to like removing animal products. It just doesn't make sense. And then you have places like Tokyo and Japan where it's very high animal products and high longevity.

So yeah, a lot of fish. I heard that it was an editorial decision because it would sell more books. But that's totally a rumor. But you know, I don't know, it's not that far fetched. So you're a, you're, you're a youngster, totally into longevity. How did that happen? And biohacking, where did all this come from?

I've been Haunted by aging since I remember when I was first haunted by aging, probably I think when I was like 12, because I wanted to do acting, I was like always pursuing acting growing up. And I would, I'm like very goals driven. So when, even when I was like 12, I would look at like kid actors who had made it by the time they were like 14. I was like, okay, I have until I'm 14 to like have made it. So I was always haunted by this idea of like time speeding up and needing to have accomplished a lot by certain benchmarks. So I think that's what made me haunted by aging originally. And then the whole. I went to. You said you went to ucla. I went to usc. Oh, yeah.

Well, I actually went there for doctoral school.

Okay, nice, nice. So we were. Yeah, but I studied film and theater there and I had some health issues. When I graduated from college and kind of just like stumbled into the whole biohacking world, I found Dave Asprey's stuff, not surprisingly. And I was kind of doing like all the biohacking stuff before. I mean, I guess Dave was calling it biohacking back then, but it wasn't really like a thing as much. And then by the time I launched my podcast and had become an influencer and had a book, I kind of realized I was like, oh, what I'm doing is biohacking. And I would find things that would. So like, whenever I find something that so makes my life better, I just want everybody to know about it so they can experience it. So that's why I love like the biohacking influencer type world, because I get to try all this stuff and then just like tell the people. And I want people to find what works for them.

What have been some of the biggest discoveries that you've found that have made the biggest difference probably.

So you touched on it. Sleep, like just supporting sleep the best you can is so important. So like the blue light blocking glasses, those are one of the things I was doing, you know, way before those were popular. Blue light blocking glasses, blackout curtains, cooling mattress monitoring with my aura ring. Like anything I can do to support sleep is so important to me. And then red light therapy, cryotherapy. Do you do like cold therapy and cryotherapy?

So we have, we turned. We have a big gym in our house and then a recovery room. And in the recovery room we have a big sunlight and sauna. Then we have a small relaxed, heat up, fast heat sauna. Then we have an hbot. We have joovv red lights and we have a cold plunge.

Love it. Yeah.

Now the one that I just need to be more consistent on, but I just can't tell if it's doing anything. So I'd love to hear from you because sauna. I'm all over the sauna. I love the sauna. Plus I'm always cold, so I love the sauna. I do not love the cold plunge, but I do it, so that's that. And I do a contrast. And then usually what I like to do is sauna, cold, plunge, and then red lights. The red lights are the thing that get blown off. Mainly because I really want a red light bed that I can get in. I would use it way more often. I couldn't convince my husband that this was a really smart idea and we should spend 100 grand on this. And I found him like, it's on sale for $60,000. He's like, absolutely your mind. But talk to me about the red lights and what you notice from them because that's the biggest challenge. I'm like, is this doing anything? I can't tell.

Yeah. So, okay. I love that you have that whole setup that's amazing. And I love sunlight and I literally can't. I can't imagine my life not doing a sauna session every night. It's like mind blowing to me that there was a time before this because it.

You.

It just gets all the stuff out and it like helps your sleep and. Yeah. So moment for sunlight and the red light. I also love Joovv. I love it. So I've been using it. It's funny, I first started using red light, experimenting with it again before, like probably like a decade ago because I heard it was good for your thyroid and I heard it was good for your hair. And I was literally like ordering red light bulbs on Amazon and trying to make my own devices. And it was. Yeah, it was a whole self project.

Wow.

I. Yeah. I don't know if that stuff was. If that was a good idea or not. But then I found Joovv and I love them and actually have it on my desk right here. So. It's funny, my favorite benefit is not the main benefit people use it for. I love using the red light to regulate my circadian rhythm and to counteract blue light and to create like. I. I basically run it all day, like as ambient lighting. And it makes me feel good, like into. Yeah. And then at night.

So you have it on. I mean, obviously you don't have it on right now because you'd look red.

Right.

But the Rest of the day you just have it on in front of you.

Yeah, so I have it on and I find that during the day, like when there's so much bright light anyways, it, it just kind of adds. It adds a nice, like, vibe. It makes me feel good. At night, I light my apartment with juve. So I just. Everything's like red. It's like the red light zone.

Wow. It's like, it's. I've seen Amsterdam in the red light district.

It's funny. So it's funny because I'm in an apartment.

People will be knocking on it.

It's really funny because I'm in an apartment and I've been here for like years and I probably. It was. Probably wasn't until a few years of living here that I went outside when my lights were on and I saw what my apartment looked like. I was like, whoa, red light. People must be like, what is the girl doing? What is happening? So. Yeah, but. Oh, well.

So what do you notice from it? Is it more circadian rhythm, type of zap?

Yeah. So like I said, that's kind of a unique butterfly thing for me because most people don't go to it for that. I do just how I feel and like energy wise and circadian rhythm. I really, really feel it using it that way. The other benefits I do like. I do do like skin treatments and I definitely notice an effect with that. And this. The studies on it are. I keep pointing like. Like you can see it. Studies on it are, you know, pretty supportive for how it really helps our mitochondria in our cells. And when our mitochondria are functioning better, everything's, you know, functioning better. I will say I love also the brand Kineon. They have a targeted red light LED laser device. And it make. They're like small little module modules that you can hold and you can put like targeted treatment. That's amazing. Like, if I ever have like dental work and dental pain or if I just have like any weird pains or I don't normally get headaches, but any sort of like tension, if I put it on that, it just, it goes away. It's just. It's profound. Oh, and TMJ pain. I get like jaw pain ever since I had my wisdom teeth out. The red light is amazing for that, so.

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Yeah, so that's because basically I graduated college, I moved into an apartment, and I just started feeling not well, like, But I was so high on adrenaline that I was really combating all of it. I was like, I basically, like, I could keep on keeping on, but I just felt inside like something was very wrong. And as far as combating and finding it out, I didn't realize that the mold was there until I moved out, which was two years later. And I moved my. I was looking behind my bed and there was just black mold everywhere. And I was like, oh, that's great. And then also right before we moved out, I realized that my oven had been leaking carbon monoxide every time I was using it. So that was fun. Um, but that's when I. I moved. Actually moved for the first time to Atlanta for a little bit. And that's when I really got into just trying to aggressively find things to help myself feel better. And I didn't ever do, like, as. As far specific mold protocol, but I just did a ton of detoxing and, you know, overall holistic health. Things that I think really, really helped. I think doing the sauna helps a lot.

The sauna. I mean, if you think about it, we are bombarded by stuff like, you know, I was just out in LA to speak at this event, luminescence. And the fires had just happened, and it. It was just. And I think, God, these poor people that are living here. It's just a couple days. And both Tim and I are like, you know, And I mean, but you're always being bombarded by stuff. And we're in hotels all the time. Like, we were in a hotel last weekend for a medical conference. And I'm walking down the hallway and I go, this place smells so bad. You know, there's no way that we're not just breathing in. And they use chemicals to cover it. You know, I'm like, smell. So, you know, we all need to be saunaing and those little home units. Tim, we travel with a lot of stuff. And he's like, we should start to travel with our sauna. I go, at some point, we gotta. Like, this is ridiculous. Like, how many suitcases can we carry? But this little home unit is like $1,000. And that personal unit, one solo. Yeah, they're amazing.

That's what I love.

Fast heat. I mean, they're 180 degrees in under a minute.

I. The solo unit. I. It's what I use every night. And what. I love that your head is not in it because you. Then you stay cooler. And I have. I like, have. I have mine set up. So I have, like, an arm that holds my iPhone above my head. So then I just, like, do work in the sauna. It's. It's my favorite thing every night. I love it.

My husband wears. So we have the fast heat. And the other one, I get up and get in the other one. He gets in the fast heat. I don't want to go in the fast seat after I'm to going because he sweats too much. Because he puts a thing around his neck, and he puts a thing on his head. And I'm like, honey, I got blowouts. It's not happening here.

Well, I know. I know, right?

I know. But I'm in the other one with my computer, which is probably not the smartest thing, but, you know, it is what it is. So let's talk EMFs. Cause you just mentioned you're making an EMF blocking headset, which is amazing. Cause that's one I haven't figured out how to solve. But let's Talk first about EMFs and the issues with them.

Yeah, no, I obviously love this topic. So, EMFs, they are classified by the IARC as a group to be carcinogen. And the studies on them are just not good. Basically, they affect the calcium Channels of our cells. They've been linked to headaches and migraines. There's studies on them especially for fertility, like with men carrying their cell phones in the nether regions and affecting sperm quality. And we're just bombarded by them today in a way we weren't, you know, in the past from our, our phones, our computers, our people wear the, you know, the AirPods in their, in their ears. I shudder every time I like think about that. And the thing I find most convincing for me and other people is if you actually, if you have an iPhone and you go into the, there's a legal section in the phone. So you go to like legal and then there's like an RF exposure button. This is in your iPhone and you click on RF exposure. It talks about the RF exposure, the EMS from your phone and it says they've been tested for safety, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it literally says it, it recommends that you use it on speaker phone. So like to reduce exposure. So if, if iPhone is putting in their phone that to reduce RF exposure, you should use speakerphone. I just feel like, I don't know, I feel like that's pretty telling. Like they didn't have to put that in there and they did.

How did you find that out?

So my partner that I'm. So I'm launching an EMF blocking product line and his name is R. Blank and he has a company called S.H.I.E.L.D. you'd body. And I'm pretty sure he's the one who told me he's brilliant. And what I love about him is he's very much about just the science of the problems with emf. I'm not saying the other things don't work like this stones and like the different, you know, energy devices. But he's very much just about like the science and literally just blocking these waves because you can block them the way they work. They don't like go through if you have things that block the, the waves. So he's the one who told me and it's. Yeah, when people hear that, they're like, oh, okay. Because I think a lot of people think it sounds really woo woo, that it's a problem. But yeah, so I find that convincing. And by the time this show comes out, I should have launched the line. Fingers. Fingers crossed.

Very exciting. So what all will you have?

So we're just launching with a lot that there's a lot I want to make, but we're launching with EMF free air tubes. So it's what I'm wearing Right now. So basically. Well, for starters, people can really drastically affect their EMF exposure with their iPhone by not wearing Bluetooth AirPods. Like step one, like don't use those. And then never, never putting the phone to their head. I have such muscle memory about that. Like if I ever have to put the phone to my head, my body, like it's hard for me to do it because I'm so used to not doing it. But. And then using wired ones is way better. Wired headphones, but even wired ones, they're digital so they can transmit the EMS from the phone to your head still. So what we're making is they're digital from the phone up until like if people can see the video or not, it's like there's a little bead that's like a, I don't know, six or seven inches below your mouth. And after that point it switches to all analog. So there's no, it's no digital. It's just transmitting the sound via air like in the old, old school days. And. But it sounds good still. So we're launching these in black and rose gold because I have found that there's. The EMF blocking world is a little bit masculine, so I'm trying to change that.

Most of this stuff is much more masculine.

Do what?

Most of this stuff is much more masculine. I know when Dave first came out with his glasses, I'm like, okay, and those are ugly.

Yeah, I know.

Like, what do we do?

We need to girlify some things a little bit.

Yes, yes. Nice. Okay, so you also have, you have. How many podcasts do you do?

Three.

Three. Wow. And one's intermittent fasting. Right.

So the intermittent fasting podcast, the Melanie Avalon biohacking podcast, that's where I interview guests. And that's the one you're coming on, I think in a few. In a month or so. So that's exciting. And I recently ish launched the Mind Blown podcast just for fun. It's a non health related. We just talk about mind blowing topics. So like what, like the first two episodes was about the Mandela effect. I don't know if you're. What is that familiar with. It's, it's like my favorite thing. It's all of these memories people have. It's a lot of like logos and things. I can ask some of them. People swear on their deathbed that things used to be a different way, but now it's different. So for example. Okay, let me think of a good one. Like Chick Fil A or did you have chick fil A growing up. You were in California.

So I was in California. We did not have chick.

Okay, so you probably don't remember how, like, how it's spelled.

Well, no, I know how it's spelled.

How's it spelled?

C H I K dash A dash F I, L, A.

Okay, so that's what everybody says. Or they'll say C H I, C. They think it's, like, not spelled out, that it's like C H I K or C H I C. I swear, it was chic in the past. Regardless, now. Now it's C H I C K. It's like, all. It's all there, huh? Or. Yeah, well, that's the debate.

Well, yes, I remember the ad of Eat more chicken, and it was C H I K E N or something like that.

Yeah, yeah. Right. So if you. But if you, like, look up right now, like, in our world, it's. It was never a different way according to right now. Like, here. Another one would be like, do you know Berenstain Bears?

Yeah.

Do you know how. How that was spelled or how that's spelled?

No.

Okay, so I got to find one that lands with you. So people remember that being spelled, like Baron Stein, like E I, N. But now it's okay, so.

But what's the point?

Stain? Basically, there's all these things that people think something happened with reality where something switched, and we have these memories that are different. Like, do you know the Pikachu I got. Do you know what, like, his tail looks like? Like, what color? He's all yellow. Okay. He has. People remember having, like, a black tail, but now it's, like, all yellow. Captain Crunch. People remember it being Captain Crunch. Now it's Cap and Crunch cereal. There's a lot. And the reason it's called the Mandela Effect is people remember Mandela, Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s. But he didn't. So, yeah, it's crazy.

So is the Mandela Effect that people create their own reality? What's the amount. The actual thing?

Yeah. So what they'll say it is now is that it's a false memory. It's just a false memory. It's like a collective false memory that society has. But I interviewed Rizwan Burke. He wrote the Simulation Hypothesis. He's one of the main people behind that. That whole world. And he has a book on the Mandela effect as well. And a lot of people think it has to do with, like. Like, quantum physics, a change in the timeline, parallel universes. My theory is that involves when CERN did cern which is like a government international organization that did experiments with particle physics. They did experiments in 2009 where they. And they said that these experiments could create, like, gaps in the. The quantum realm, and they don't know what would happen from that. And when they did that in 2009, people started noticing these effects. So I don't know. It's really interesting.

All right. When I first read about that you were doing this, I'm like, Is this like UFOs?

Yeah. It's all different topics, though. So. Like the podcast. So we also do, like. Like the one we did last week. We did the Donner party, too, two weeks ago. Last week we did, like, the most expensive foods in the world. That was mind blowing.

Wow.

Yeah. So just fun stuff. Do what?

Caviar and alcohol.

Actually, none of them were alcohol on the list, but maybe it's because we were looking at foods. Okay. Some of them were mind blowing. There's like a. Like a $25,000 taco at some restaurant. What about that?

I know that when I was in Istanbul, that nurse at restaurant that has the 24 karat gold cheeseburger.

I think we might have done that one. Yeah. A lot of the stuff was, like, had gold on it. There's one of the most expensive. Coffee bean is ridiculous. Do you know about it?

Oh, is it the one in. I've had it. We actually have it here at the house.

Oh, my God, it is.

So when we were in Bali, I was like, insisted on going to this place. It's where the. The little animals poop out the coffee beans. Yes. And you don't touch them because they can eat your hands.

Oh, my gosh.

The little animals that look really cute. I'm trying to remember. They're like, they look like a lemur. But yes. No, I. We were going to do something else. We were on a tour with Mary Morrissey and I was like, I really want to go to the pooping coffee bean place. Because I was like, this is the great, great presents to bring home. But people did not appreciate it the way I guess you had to experience it to think it was so super cool. And truthfully, the coffee doesn't taste any different.

Does it not? Yeah, because they. They basically, it's these cat, like, animal lemur animal things. They eat the coffee bean and then it ferments. And their digestive tract, they poop it out, then they take it, they clean it, and then they make coffee from it.

Yep.

And it's.

I've got some at home. It's super Expensive and.

Yeah. Wow.

Like, yeah, not that exciting, but, you know, it was kind of one of those things. I'm going, I'm here. I want to taste the poopy coffee.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

That's amazing.

You're always such a glam. Like, you're always glam. And since you're very into biohacking and health, like, are there some beauty things that you have as secrets or special products or things that. Cause that's also a source of like, major toxins, obviously.

Yeah. No, I am so passionate about this as well. The, the role of endocrine disruptors in our skincare makeup is just so shocking that there's a shocking lack of regulation and what they can put into our products. And I actually have a theory that because women, women tend to live longer than men, we know they have, like, longer longevity in general. So in theory, I think that would indicate we're aging slower. So I think women should, in theory, look younger than men for longer. Yet the opposite is true. Men tend to look younger, longer.

Well, and also older looking men are considered to be sexier than older looking women in our society. However, I think that should change.

This is so true.

We need to fix that.

This is so true. But in any case, I wonder if part of the reason women might age faster, seemingly with their skin is because of all the stuff we're putting on our face all the time. Because there's basically no regulation. And there's things like products will often say that they have fragrance in them. And that's basically a legal loophole from the 1960s that allows companies to put whatever they want in products. Yeah. So if it says fragrance, that can contain anything and they can't check what's in it. So if they want to sneak something in, they can just put it in the fragrance.

Wow. Well, so what brands do you use?

I love. Well, it's. Right now. Right now it's not up but Beauty counter. I love. I love crunchy. I love purity woods. I love one skin. Probably those four brands are the ones I go to. It's just so important to know what you're. You want to find brands that are formulated for. For safety for your skin, first and foremost.

Yeah. It's hard to find ones that are natural, organic and actually do things.

Yeah. And. And also to that point. So natural, like, that can be another.

Word that means nothing.

Yeah, yeah. It can be like a greenwashing word. And then, you know, some. Some synthetic ingredients are actually completely safe. So for me, it's more like for me, it's more about safety and is it tested for toxicity and its effect on our skin. So, like, finding a company that has that mission. So, like, out of the companies I just mentioned, I think Purity woods is the only one that's certified organic. But I feel so good about the other companies because of their testing for safety and pesticides and toxins and endocrine disorders.

Well, the one skin gals, I met them at Eudaimonia.

Oh, that was so fun. I loved that.

That was such a great event. I am super excited it's happening again.

It is coming back.

It is next year. November, I think it's 14th through the 16th.

I had so much fun.

That was fabulous. I mean, what an amazing event. I am actually working on a product right now because I got so obsessed with creatine and found out that it also is good for your skin. So I'm working on something right now. I'm dabbling in that world again. I always like to hear what everybody else. What about, like, makeup specifically? Is that Beauty Counter is the one that you use?

Yeah. Though all of those brands I just mentioned, I do like a combination.

One skin doesn't have makeup. I don't think Purity woods does either.

They don't know. Just Beauty Counter and Crunchy.

Okay. So Crunchy I've never heard of.

Oh, I. Okay. So Beauty Counter went away. They're coming back, but it's been a whole thing.

What happened to them?

So basically they. The founder, Greg. Greg Renfrew, who's amazing. She had the company and then it got bought out by a another company that kind of got it into debt because they just made a lot of bad decisions. So then Greg actually came back and had to rebuy the company. She, like, rebought the company. Like, she bought basically the name and the assets, and now she's relaunching it, which was really sad because I was obsessed. I mean, it's happy. I'm happy it's going back, but it was sad it went away because those products are just amazing. So that's when I found Crunchy because I wanted to find a company that was very similar to Beauty Counter, that had, like, all of very similar products and a big catalog and high standards. And honestly, their standards are maybe a little bit better than Beauty Counter. They're amazing.

All right. I've never heard of that.

Yeah, I love them. They're great.

Very exciting.

They're mascara. A game changer.

Just have your finger on the pulse. You're fantastic. And you've got A supplement line, too. Tell us about that.

Yes. So it's called Avalon X and I don't think I mentioned. So the EMF blocking product line is also going to be Avalon X, so that one will be at AvalonX. EMF US is the website. But my Avalon X supplement line, I created because I am a sensitive butterfly and I am neurotic about what I put in my body. And I couldn't find, especially for some of my favorite products, I couldn't find versions that I felt good about. So I was like, I'm just gonna make my own version. So we started with Serrapeptase. Have you, have you used serrapeptase by chance?

But tell everybody about serrapeptide.

Yes.

Especially now with all the residual clotting situations.

Yes. So serrapeptase, it's a proteolytic enzyme, meaning it breaks down proteins. Originally, it's found in the Japanese silkworm, but we, it's. We make it now in a lab. So it's, it's vegan, but its purpose, I love this, is to break down the silkworm's cocoon without actually injuring the silkworm. So what that means is it selectively breaks down dead tissue rather than living tissue. So when we take it in the fasted state, it goes into our bloodstream and then it goes all throughout our body and it breaks down all of these problematic, you know, dead, dysfunctional proteins. And so many issues with health in general are from this buildup of, you know, dysfunctional proteins and our body reacting to them. So if it'll help. So many things. I take it from. I took it originally for allergies. It'll clear your sinuses, clear your brain fog. It's been shown in studies to break down amyloid plaque to reduce cholesterol, support wound healing, reduce inflammation, and then like blood clotting and stuff. It would really help for, for that. It's. It's amazing. I'm obsessed with it and I couldn't find a version that didn't have problematic ingredients in it, so I just made my own.

Nice. That's usually why we have to do things. Doesn't exist. The entrepreneur solves the problem.

Always.

Yeah, that one I know. Anytime, like surgeries and stuff, but especially when all the vaccine stuff was coming out, it was like a great, great one to have alongside it.

Yeah, they actually. Yeah, they were doing studies on it, especially during COVID and stuff and on that and Nat. Nattokate. Nattokase.

Nattokinase.

Nattokinase as well. So I absolutely love it. It's amazing.

Yeah. I will put. Because I know you have a whole line. So in the show notes, I know you're giving us a code for people to get a discount to. The code will be jj, ez, Peasy. And we'll put all of this in the show notes along with the emf. I want as soon as those are available. Like, I definitely want to know.

I'm sending you some.

Yes, definitely need some. I'll send you some chiatin.

Oh, perfect. I know we should have, like, a goodies Christmas party in. Like, we should. Oh, man. Like a biohacking white elephant.

I love white elephant parties. That's one of my. Like, I love throwing events and parties, but when we do our mastermind retreats, everybody who does, we have these things called mic drops, where people share what's working best and everyone gets to pick as their prize white elephants. And we have this whole exchange that gets very, very fun as people steal everybody else's stuff. So I'm a big love the white elephant. The problem with that one is no one would want to. Like, all the white elephant gifts would be amazing.

Oh, I know, right? I'm having flashback. I'm like you. I love. I was always like, the party thrower and everything, and I would always do a white elephant party. And one time my friend brought a fish. Like a live.

The last white elephant we did, someone brought a. This is one that just sticks in my head because I was like, what the heck? It was a candle warmer so that you could get the aroma of a candle without having to light it. I go, help me understand why you would ever need to have this thing. And someone goes, oh, for my cat. Because we can't put candles on because the cat will. Might get in. I was like, okay, that's really funny.

That's interesting.

I was like, really? Like, talk about the gift you would never need.

Oh, my gosh. So specific.

Cannot make it up. All right, well, I will make sure that we put all of the stuff the show notes are going to be at. Wait for it. I'm looking for where I'm supposed to put this. Jjvirgin.com Avalon Easy enough. And we'll put links to all your podcasts. Our last podcast episode, the episode with Todd where we talk all about dry farm wine so everybody gets that piece and the links to your two different companies and the codes so that everyone can get themselves some goodies. And what a wealth of knowledge.

Oh, thank you, jj. As. As are you. I. I love that. Like, everything. I don't know, I just, I could talk to you for about so many things for so long. We should actually seriously consist that are making that wine app like the.

No kidding.

I'm not kidding.

I'm kind of amazed because they have the seed oils app. And I'm like, why? I think people don't realize yet again, just like you said. And it's important to distinguish that they look at lumping everything into the same category. It's always my frustration with meat and it's the same with alcohol. It's like, I'm sorry, there is a big difference between like someone drinking a pina colada or someone drinking a box wine or someone drinking a low sugar organic glass of wine. There's a big difference. You cannot lump them all together.

It is, it's so different. And I'm knee deep right now. I'm developing a dating app that will take into account people's dietary choices and also like drink choices and stuff.

So.

So point being is people stay tuned for that. And I'm like deep in the app. So if you want to make a.

Wine app together, I'm like, you know what's so funny? I still think about back in my days because I met my husband on Match, but it was always so funny because they would ask you, the guys would rate. And I have a theory on dating apps that a guy would rate himself athletic and toned. And I'm like, if you're athletic and toned, I'm freaking Miss Olympia. You're not athletic and toned, dude. But I think that men. And then there was one app I was on, it was Millionaire Match, where they could say, they're hot, they're good looking, they're hot, they're very good looking, they're good looking. No guy ever said he was like, average, they're all hot or very good looking. And I think most women would go, oh, yeah, I'm, you know, I'm good looking or I'm average. Women will downplay themselves and men will be like, yeah, I'm, you know, this athletic hot. Well, we'll see. I might be talking completely out of turn, but it'd be interesting to see.

I love that. That's true. I hadn't thought about that before.

Yeah. But I, I had many dates with men that claimed they were athletic and toned.

That. And I think people will fudge on the height thing as well.

Yes, the fudge on the height. And it was always amazing. Like, you're fudging on these things. You don't think that we'd notice.

Yeah, it's not in your favor to do that.

I'm pretty sure I can tell if you're fudging on your height and you walk in and you're really five nine. I'm pretty sure. I know. I literally put in my dating app. I put. I am six feet tall, and I like to wear high shoes. And no, I don't want to go out on a date with you. If you're 5 5, we can be pals. But I'm not like, no, I don't want to. I want to wear high shoes, and I don't. I want to look up to you.

How tall is your husband?

He is six two and a half.

Nice.

Now, he said he was six three. I'm like, you're not six three. But I think at one point maybe he was and he is sticking with it.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, okay, honey. He's definitely a keeper. I'm a big fan of dating apps.

Well, I will have to talk more about it when we. When we're launching it.

A whole nother subject that's completely. But it is related to health because relationships are a very important part of health.

Yeah. And like I said, there's no dating app right now that lets people filter by their dietary. Like, all the dietary choices.

Here's the thing. It's not just dietary habits, because think, like, Tim and I eat the same. Like, thank God. But also sleeping habits, exercise habits, like, all that stuff, you know, if you were with someone, it would be really hard for me if I wouldn't be with someone who didn't have the same healthy lifestyle stuff. It would be weird.

It's so true. Even circadian rhythm, because I'm a night person, I don't think I would do well with.

Oh, I'm the morning person.

See, we could not date.

You can't date. I'm sorry, honey, but I'm taking.

I know.

I think that you bat for the other team, too, so. Yeah, but all that stuff does matter. Yeah.

Yeah. Right?

We both wake up around the same time each morning, and so do our doggies.

That's so funny. Yeah. I gotta have my night owl, man.

Yeah, well, put that in there. I mean, these are the things that are super important for compatibility, so there you go. All right. And then let me know when you're ready for the wine app.

I know. No, I'm serious. Like, I'm yesterday.

All right. And if you're listening, you just let us know if you want the wine app, and we'll get on it. All right. Well, thank you. So much Melanie. I look forward to coming back and connecting with you on your show too. And I'll put everything in the show notes@ggvirgin.com for.

Awesome. Thank you JJ. This is awesome.

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