EP 32: What Happens When ChatGPT Hosts Your Podcast?

This is the Everyday AI show, the everyday podcast where we simplify AI and bring its power to your fingertips. Listen daily for practical advice to boost your career, business and everyday life. Could Chat GPT be eyeing my job as the host of Everyday AI? Well, stick around. We're about to find out. I'm Jordan Wilson, your AI aficionado and this is Everyday AI, your daily dose of podcast, live stream and newsletter goodness. We're your one stop shop for all things AI from Chat GPT to mid journey and beyond. So we're here to keep you in the loop and ahead of the curve. So speaking of Curves, we got a guest today who knows all about them, so. That's right, folks, our guest today is none other than Chat GPT itself. So I know what you're thinking, Jordan. How can AI be a guest? Well, my friends, in the world of AI, anything is possible. So stick around. And we're going to chat with ChatGPT about the latest AI buzz, the rise of AI writing assistance. Will they be the next Hemingway or just a handy tool? There's only one way to find out. So stick around. It's going to be a wild ride. So also on this show Today, aside from ChatGPT, Brandon Vargas, the producer and co host of Everyday AI. Brandon, how you doing?

I'm doing well. How's everybody doing today? Hope you're, you're doing well. We got, we got an interesting one. See how kind of Chat GPT does. Hopefully they do, they do good with the interview.

We'll see. This is either going to be a lot of fun or a train wreck, so we'll find out. Brandon, this is an unscripted show. Normally today's, Today's gonna be a little different. So we're asking Chat GPT to run this whole thing. It, it told us what's important today in the news. It's, it's doing a lot of things. But I have a question for you. Was that me in the intro or is that Chat GPT?

Oh, I don't know. I think, I think we should let the, let the audience figure that out. Like, was that a audio generated content you just heard or was that really Jordan?

All right, well, here we have to do this, Brandon, in the, in the private chat. I need your, I need your vote. I need your vote. And then we'll, we'll reveal at the end.

Okay.

You know, to see to, to see if Brandon actually knew or not. I need to put him on, I need to put him on the spot. All right, so we're still we're still, if you're tuning in live, you know, watching the live stream, please leave us a comment. Hopefully today's going to be a fun episode. If you're listening on the POD podcast, Spotify, Apple, whatever it is, please subscribe. Leave us a rating if you like the show. So let's, let's get into it, Brandon. Let's, let's talk about what's going on in the world of AI. Full disclosure, we didn't write this.

Yeah, let's do it. Let's see what Chat GPT has for us today and what, what it's wanting to talk about.

All right, so here's, here's what Chat GPT is, is saying is important in the world of AI today. So Anderson Horowat says AI is going to save the world. So this is a private American venture capital firm. And, and essentially what's going on is they're saying that, hey, despite what's going on, AI is, is going to help, especially in the US kind of reach global tech superiority. So Brandon, what did, what's chatgpt want to know from us on this one?

It's funny, it's talking about itself in the third person already, so maybe it's a little stuck up. I don't know, is AI kind of here to save the human race or is it just all tech hype? So I feel like those are both two of the extreme ends of what people have been talking about. Like, is this really the next big thing since the Internet or is this just kind of like a phase and it's going to go away?

Yeah, I don't know. So I'd say no. Obviously Anderson Horowitz is a huge VC firm, know, and I think a lot of the big banks and VC firms have been throwing their money behind AI and AI related companies probably for a reason. So I don't know if I'd say like, hey, is AI here to save us or save the world like Anderson Horowat said? But I do think it, especially from an economy standpoint, at least in the short term, I think it's kind of really helping. It's, it's something that's really driving the American economy, especially over the last couple of months.

Yeah, no, I, I agree with you on that. I do feel that there is some, of course there's fear around it, but I think it's fear of the unknown. But when you kind of take a look at how you can approach it, that'll really give you the idea of whether or not it's you know, actually something that's going to take over for you or help you. So I, I agree. This is definitely not just like a tech hype, not a trend, not a phase. Like this is definitely something you should be paying attention to and that's why we're talking about it. I don't think we'd be talking about if we thought it was a, a trend.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. This isn't mom jeans, you know, this isn't something that's going to stick around for a couple of years, take like three decades off and then come back out of nowhere. Thank you for the comments. Sayetta. Chat. Chat GPT, yes. Is the guest of the show, so.

I'm switching the comments around. I didn't realize you're clicking on it.

No worries. And then Jessica, I love this. Jessica says, hate to admit been using Chat GPT lately to help with my podcast content. Well, well, Jessica, thanks, thanks for that. And hopefully Chat GPT does as good of a job with today's, the rest of today's show as, as it's doing for you. So next the, the next big piece of news Chat GPT told us to talk about Invisible AIs. Intelligent agent came watching us apparently. So invisible AI is, is a software company specifically working with auto workers and kind of in that indus in the auto industry. So essentially it's a vision based system that spots when auto workers or even the machines in the auto working plants are not doing what they're supposed to be. So chatgpt, what's, what's, what do they want to know on this?

So chatgpt want to know is this a form of invasion of privacy or is this kind of like getting maximum efficiency and it's, you know, great for, you know, the industries that could use this.

It's weird I think, right? Like if, if we're using AI tech, this invisible AI is supposed to see if you know, auto workers and the machines are doing their job. Like, I don't know, is that some next level of inception and AI Big Brother Overwatch? Like if we're training essentially AI machines to make sure machines are doing their work correctly.

I, I don't know. I, I think it depends on where this is taking place. Just because, you know, there's obviously tons of things you've heard about just like the manufacturing industry and just like overworking their workers. So like I think this is a little, it's, it's tough. I've, I'm not in a position personally to have this experience to be like, yeah, like I would hate that, but I think it's, I think it can, it's on a fine line in between. It depends on how it takes place.

Yeah. So what about, you know, Brandon, I think for like desk workers, right, like there's, there is time tracking software, right, That a lot of companies use, which I think is terrible. I'm sorry, like company. If, if you're a CEO listening to this and you use time tracking software for your employees. Oh, it makes me feel inky. But Brandon, like, do you think this will ever kind of go to desk jobs? Or like, would you, like, if you were running a large company, would you want something like that?

No, I wouldn't want it personally, but I can see why someone would use it. I mean, I, I do feel like with, with a working from home kind of way of life that we have now, it's, I could see some people wanting to use that. Like, I know. I feel like overall we've gotten a little bit lazier, just as like a human race ever since we've been working from home more. So I think that would be something that some people would want to use.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just it's, it's, it's weird to me. But you know, I get it if it's from like a safety perspective. But you know, when you get into productivity and pushing efficiency, like, I don't know, I'd say this is the literal definition of, of an AI Big Brother, right? Just watching every, watching even the machines, that's, that's the one that gets me. Like, that's wild.

Yeah. That is crazy to think about.

So, so before we get on to what chatgpt told us to write about next, a reminder, if you're listening to this, whether live or on the podcast, drop us an email. We have a little, you know, mid show Easter egg here. So send us an email. It's infoyour everyday AI.com. so it's infoyourydayai.com I wanted to plug this. We're doing a little, We've talked about this on the show before, episode 24, if you want to go back and take a look. So kind of our internal method that we do at everyday AI for getting the most out of ChatGPT. It's called prime prompt and polish. So it's our own internal method I talked about on the show. Got a lot of comments. People are like, oh, this is amazing. Do you have more information? So for our loyal listeners and people that have really been engaging with us in the show so far, we already reached out to them. We gave them priority access. We wanted to have just a small group. So there's I think like six spots left. So if you want to learn kind of how we've been using this technology and you know, Brandon and I, we've been using this before ChatGPT came out, but we've been using the GPT technology since, I don't know, 2020, early 2021. So just, just give us a shout. So back to the Chat GPT news. This is another one, Brandon, a little inception here. So we have Chat GPT writing about what's happening in GPT news. So another, another one that you have to think about a little bit. So Automattic is launching an AI writing assistant for WordPress. So WordPress owner is automatic, that's the company name. So they just dropped what they're calling the Jetpack AI assistant. So for anyone using WordPress to power their website and WordPress is the most popular content management system out in the world, I think. You know, I haven't looked at the stats recently, but I think it, it, it powers more websites than the next four content management systems combined. At one point it powered like 30% of the Internet, which is crazy to think about. So anyways, this new Jetpack, Jetpack AI assistant, it's kind of think of it like ChatGPT but specifically for your WordPress website when you're trying to write content. So there's selectable writing tones, you know, and then it can generate titles, summaries, translate content, spelling and grammar, all that stuff. Apparently it's going to be $10 a month. So it's not free, but it's cheaper than if you were paying for the Pro version of ChatGPT. So Brandon, what does, what's ChatGPT want us to talk about? This news story that it gave us to talk about.

So what ways can content creators, you know, even people writing for SEO purposes use this new tool?

What's your take? You go first.

It's funny because the first thing that came to my mind was other tools they should use instead, probably right off the bat just because I haven't used this yet. Like we already know, you know, Chat GPT is, is proven per, we've personally mentioned it before. We use Jasper as another writing tool, more so for pure writing purposes and not research or fact checking purposes. So I, I mean, if chat GBT is free, why am I going to pay the $10 just yet? It could have good integrations and that's maybe where I could see you leveraging. This is like one stop shop, you're already in WordPress. If you use the WordPress editor and builder, then why not? So I guess that's how they can leverage it is like maybe it's like people that go to the Apple ecosystem because it's all connected, it's the same thing. So that's maybe the only benefit I see. I'd have to test it first, but I don't know if you've heard of this or your thoughts on it.

No, I think it was just announced literally hours ago. So there's not even a lot of information out about it. I actually had to fact check ChatGPT on this one because, Brandon, we use WordPress pretty consistently and I'm like, I haven't heard about this, but ChatGPT knew about it before I did. But yeah, there's not a lot of information out about it. I guess one thing that will, I guess swing me one way or the other is what will it be using? Will it be using what's called GPT 3.5 or will it be using GPT 4? So if you haven't used ChatGPT before, the difference between those two, it's like night and day. So if you're a free user on ChatGPT and a lot of the other programs that use OpenAI's GPT interface use ChatGPT 3.5. So for the everyday person out there, it's the difference between think of your knowledge as a fifth grader versus your knowledge after you finish graduate school. That's the difference between chat GPT 3.5 and GPT 4. So it's night and day. So I guess it depends on if you're getting chat GPT4 for $10 a month, then maybe I might look at it, but otherwise, otherwise I'd say, yeah, probably a waste.

Yeah, I, I agree.

So as a reminder, if, if you're tuning in live, got a bunch of comments coming on. But if you want us to talk about something, give us, give us something for CHAT GPT. We'll, we'll plug it in and we'll get it here on the, on the last half of the show. So let's, let's skip to the thing I really wanted to get to. Brandon. So a new Business Insider article today came out with the 10 roles they say are most likely to be at the risk because of AI. So this story today referenced a kind of recent Goldman Sachs survey that, you know, said that AI tools could impact 300 million full time jobs worldwide and could lead to significant disruption in the job market. 300 million jobs worldwide is a lot of jobs.

Yeah, like that's ridiculous.

Yeah, it's, it's crazy. So anyways, Brandon, what does Chad GPT want to know about this, this new story that it gave us?

So the question for ChatGPT is, is ChatGPT the future of the workforce like this is kind of predicting, or is it just a tool to enhance the current jobs and their productivity?

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I, I think this to me is like the summary and the like center of the biggest conversation around AI. And I think this is where a lot of fear kicks in and I think there's two parts to it for me. One is how do we as like humans and like the everyday person decide to like go about this if we kind of the people that maybe stay complacent and like oh I don't want to touch this thing, like I don't know what it is. Like we need the true human connectivity is a big argument. I think they're going to be actually the ones that could potentially push it towards that route because if nobody's learning it that you know, the, the people at the top, the, the CEOs, the people making the decisions, they're going to be like, all right, well if no one's learning this thing then I'm just going to figure out how to do it and myself and implement it. Where the jobs and the companies that are actually approaching this the right way, they're going to be the ones to try to figure out how they can implement it properly with their team. And we've already had many people on the, on the show talking about how they work with the team to figure out what ways can we implement AI. Those are going to be the ones that will understand that they're going to get better results and better content, better everything versus the ones that just try to replace it straight up. They're not going to get what they need and it might take a while for that to happen and people to realize that. But I could see maybe this initial wave of like straight up replacement if it's not approached properly like universally and then people are going to realize it's not good. So that's kind of my take.

Yeah, I think that's a great take and here's to build on that and sayeda, we're going to get to your, to your kind of comment here in just a second to build on that. I think a lot of companies who tried to integrate GPT or any other AI Tools early on, we're just trying to ride the wave, right? Like if you've ever been surfing, like I tried once, like my wife and I went to Costa Rica many, many years ago and surfing is like difficult. Like if you've never done it, like you really have to catch, you have to wait for the wave and then you have to catch it and it's so hard. Right? So I think that's kind of like what companies are doing. They saw this giant chat GPT wave and they tried to ride it but they weren't prepared. They weren't, they weren't actual surfers. They just saw other people riding the wave and they're like, let me get on, get in on this too. And so what happened is so many businesses or just individuals trying to use this technology. Early on they crashed. They crashed because they didn't know how to surf the wave, right? So I think so many companies are now probably hesitant and they think that AI or chat GPT or whatever isn't really good because they tried it once, they didn't really know what they were doing. Or maybe they just try to copy and paste what someone else is doing and they're like, oh no, this technology's garbage. Like, look, but if you don't know how to ride the wave, you can't be a surfer. So that was a weird analogy. But that's, that's, that's kind of the way I think about it. So to Saya, your question. So saying yes, it is talking about, you know, AI in the workplace. Many things will get replaced with it, especially data entry, entry level work, you know, and then also saying we all have to embrace AI to make it, to make our workspace compatible. So speaking of that.

Yeah.

Like in this Business Insider article, we will link it in the daily newsletter that we send out, you know, so go to your everyday AI.com Sign up for that. So they did reference some of the most common jobs. I'm not going to go through them all, but some of them are, you know, tech jobs, you know, coder, computer programmer, media jobs, you know, content creation, the legal industry, paralegal, legal assistants, teachers, finance jobs, traders, accountants. So we'll, we'll list them all. But yeah, Brandon, what's, I mean, do you think some of those professions there are at, at risk?

Yeah. So I think both of these comments that we just pulled up work in tangent. So the first part, like say had I said yes, technically speaking, I agree some of those jobs will like quote unquote go away. But to this comment that we're seeing here from Lillian. It's, it's. You're going to figure out how to integrate that. And I think your current role or job will be adapted to something else. So maybe your job isn't called a data analyst anymore, but maybe it's like a data supervisor or something like that. And even though you're not the one pulling the data yourself, you're not doing that specific task. You still are going to have to be able to make sense of it or figure it out, you know, like, be able to talk to, like. Okay, well, as I'm saying this, there are ways you could technically have a recording explain everything to you, but my point is that you're going to need that human element to be able to apply it to the right, to the right piece. Who's putting in the prompt, who's figuring out what the prompt should be, who's giving the background knowledge. You know, like we said, the, the. Our method of priming beforehand, who's doing that. And so this is exactly what I agree with this comment of. We're going to need those people. Still, it's just going to change the way you, you see your role.

Yeah. So Lillian's comment, if you're listening on the podcast, she said if it were to be integrated in the office, it will always have to have a human to monitor AI, edit and proofread. I think that's a common, A common point and it's super valid. But I'm sorry, Brennan and Lillian, I'm gonna go on the opposite side and say, I don't think you're gonna need humans for it pretty soon. Right. The technology's not there yet. However, you know, we've even been experimenting with this, you know, internally. You know, if we're using Chat GPT for a project, we will use another program like, you know, maybe Bing Chat or Google Bard to check its work. Right? Because if you check its work with, with the same technology, of course it's going to say, yeah, I'm right. Right. But if you check it with another technology, you'd be surprised. It's actually using other AIs, is actually a somewhat effective way to use that, that normal human role of monitoring. Also there is newer technology, that technology is not great, great yet, but something called agents. So, you know, some of the more popular ones that people maybe have heard of, something called Auto GPT, baby GPT. So we'll save, we'll save what that is for another, another show. But essentially they're little agents that you can assign Roles. So you can, you know, have like a Chat GPT as an example, do your research, and then you can assign multiple agents to act as a role and to, you can prime them with information. So let's say, you know, a legal analyst, so you could assign other agents different roles to essentially fact check or to dig in or to find holes of what your first kind of GPT, you know, uncovered or created. So that's, that's wild. It's probably, it's probably a while out, but just wanted to offer that out.

Yeah, no, I, I would say I can see it from like an editing perspective. I just think from a, from a whole, you still need certain human elements to operate a business, like even letting Chat GBT know what, what we need from it is like that. I just think that that's how your role would adapt. But it could mean less people.

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think that's ultimately what it is. So even, you know, the kind of what we were just, just referencing, you know, data collection. Right. Yes. You will still probably need a human to tell, you know, the GPT or AI. Here's the data, here's what we need. But yeah, it is probably, you know, not talking total elimination, but definitely, you know, I think we're going to see some, some downsizing, some crazy downsizing. You know, I don't know if it's going to be 300 million like the business, Business Insider article, you know, talked about with that Goldman Sachs study. I don't know if it's going to be 300 million, but I think it's be a lot fewer because, you know, let's look at a, a data team, right? Like if there's 20 people on the average data team and once they realize and figure out how to effectively leverage AI, yeah, you're still going to need humans, but how many are you going to need?

Right?

Two.

Yeah.

Three.

I agree.

I don't know. All right, Brandon, what's, what's your hot take? Did Chat GPT do a good job at this show? Are we still going to be. Or is it going to be our avatars, you know, doing this in a couple months?

I don't know. I think ChatGPT did a good job. I mean, these were some big questions, gave a great conversation. We had a lot of people commenting on it, so I, I think it did a good job. Maybe we should just hand it off to the avatars. Maybe.

Maybe. Yeah. Yeah, let's just train the avatars, you know, pump in some human emotion and see if they can Take it from here. So, yeah, this is interesting. So, yeah, Brandon and I were talking about, and you know, we were texting. We're just like, let's just have chat. You know, we didn't have a guest schedule, so we're like, let's just see if Chat GPT can, can run the show today. So I think it did a pretty good job, you know, so if you know how to use it, you know, because obviously as an example, in the free version of Chat GPT, you can't get recent news, so you have to really know how to use all of this technology, you know, so we had to use the, the pro version of Chat GPT and we had to enable some certain plugins, you know, so, yeah, you still have to have a human who, who knows what they're doing on. So speaking of that, of knowing how to use ChatGPT correctly, Tom, thank you for the comment saying he loved the combo. Former guest. So speaking of that, like I said, if you're still listening, that means you're a loyal listener. If you stuck it out to the end, drop us an email infoydayai.com also go to that website. Sign up for our daily newsletter. We put a lot of work into that to make sure that you can just spend, you know, five minutes a day and read about everything that's going on in the AI space. Brandon, thanks for, thanks for jumping on today and, and, you know, playing the role of chat GPT's dictator, I guess, you know, ChatGPT couldn't speak so, you know, human role was, was definitely.

Maybe next time it'll be speaking.

All right, Brandon, you have to say who wrote the intro, me or Chat GPT.

Oh, the intro was written by Chat GPT.

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